12 players officially had their 5th-year options declined:
No. 2: Zach Wilson
No. 3: Trey Lance
No. 11: Justin Fields
No. 15: Mac Jones
No. 16: Zaven Collins
No. 19: Jamin Davis
No. 20: Kadarius Toney
No. 22: Caleb Farley
No. 24: Najee Harris
No. 28: Payton Turner
No. 29: Eric Stokes
No. 32: Joe Tryon-Shoyinka
Alex Leatherwood (No. 17, cut from contract) and Rashod Bateman (No. 27, not enough accrued seasons) were not eligible.
Can we take.solace.in the fact that the raiders drafted worst then us
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMqQ8OdWYAEpZpA?format=jpg&name=large)
https://x.com/the33rdteamfb/status/1786399571473559720?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Really rough qb draft there
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 02, 2024, 07:08:21 PM12 players officially had their 5th-year options declined:
No. 2: Zach Wilson
No. 3: Trey Lance
No. 11: Justin Fields
No. 15: Mac Jones
No. 16: Zaven Collins
No. 19: Jamin Davis
No. 20: Kadarius Toney
No. 22: Caleb Farley
No. 24: Najee Harris
No. 28: Payton Turner
No. 29: Eric Stokes
No. 32: Joe Tryon-Shoyinka
Alex Leatherwood (No. 17, cut from contract) and Rashod Bateman (No. 27, not enough accrued seasons) were not eligible.
Not sure I understand the part about Bateman not having enough accrued seasons. He actually signed an extension:
https://ravenswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/30/contract-details-for-rashod-batemans-new-3-year-deal-with-the-ravens/
I'm finding a certain amount of joy watching the drama unfold between CeeDee Lamb, Micah Parsons and the Cowboys; although, neither has been declined a 5th year option (so it doesn't really address this thread), but a good story anyway. They both want an extension and more than double what they're being paid, and looking at 30+ million per year. Jerry's in a pickle because there's nothing they can do about Dak's huge contract, who flat-out refuses to have it altered or restructured in any way in order to help out the team
Minnesota has the same problem with Jefferson, who says he won't play this year unless he's paid a salary commensurate with top WRs (30+ million per). Will probably be our problem in a few years with Nabers, LOL
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on May 03, 2024, 11:45:29 AMI'm finding a certain amount of joy watching the drama unfold between CeeDee Lamb, Micah Parsons and the Cowboys; although, neither has been declined a 5th year option (so it doesn't really address this thread), but a good story anyway. They both want an extension and more than double what they're being paid, and looking at 30+ million per year. Jerry's in a pickle because there's nothing they can do about Dak's huge contract, who flat-out refuses to have it altered or restructured in any way in order to help out the team
Minnesota has the same problem with Jefferson, who says he won't play this year unless he's paid a salary commensurate with top WRs (30+ million per). Will probably be our problem in a few years with Nabers, LOL
The Cowboys are a good example of contradictions. The Cowboys scouting and player development is among or is the best in the NFL
On the other side, their team management outside that area, is at best sub-par
I am not surprised. That year felt to me the NFL teams falsely manufactured prospect QB talent than was actually there. Other than Lawrence nobody during the college football season said Wilson or Lance would be top 5 picks.
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on May 03, 2024, 11:45:29 AMI'm finding a certain amount of joy watching the drama unfold between CeeDee Lamb, Micah Parsons and the Cowboys; although, neither has been declined a 5th year option (so it doesn't really address this thread), but a good story anyway. They both want an extension and more than double what they're being paid, and looking at 30+ million per year. Jerry's in a pickle because there's nothing they can do about Dak's huge contract, who flat-out refuses to have it altered or restructured in any way in order to help out the team
Minnesota has the same problem with Jefferson, who says he won't play this year unless he's paid a salary commensurate with top WRs (30+ million per). Will probably be our problem in a few years with Nabers, LOL
If Nabers has the same production Lamb has had they had better pay him. He won't be the problem, Thibs will be. The Giants committed big money to Burns and if Thibs continues to develop he's gonna want a similar deal in two years. Good luck figuring how to get that done.
Wish the Giants had the problem of too many draft picks they wanted to re-sign that would command huge salaries. Although, somehow, with the worst record in the NFC for the last decade they are still up against cap wise
Quote from: Philosophers on May 03, 2024, 05:13:55 PMI am not surprised. That year felt to me the NFL teams falsely manufactured prospect QB talent than was actually there. Other than Lawrence nobody during the college football season said Wilson or Lance would be top 5 picks.
And unless you were/are a fan of FCS football there's a better than good chance you never saw Lance play
Quote from: Philosophers on May 03, 2024, 05:13:55 PMI am not surprised. That year felt to me the NFL teams falsely manufactured prospect QB talent than was actually there. Other than Lawrence nobody during the college football season said Wilson or Lance would be top 5 picks.
I remember Lance having a ton of buzz and it was a big deal when he actually played in one game during the Covid season. Wilson, on the other hand, had that huge season and suddenly shot up draft boards.
I think the average is like 14 guys per year get this 5th year option. So this seems like the draft class is within a normal range for this.
so on average more than half of each year's number 1 picks are, based on what their own teams are doing with them, - for lack of a better word - busts. not that some won't stay around, but these are the #1 picks of each team. quite a stat.
Quote from: President Rick on May 04, 2024, 08:34:55 AMso on average more than half of each year's number 1 picks are, based on what their own teams are doing with them, - for lack of a better word - busts. not that some won't stay around, but these are the #1 picks of each team. quite a stat.
Not sure if they are busts or teams dont want to guarantee the money a year prior especially since it allbhots the cap
Quote from: uconnjack8 on May 03, 2024, 06:39:32 PMWish the Giants had the problem of too many draft picks they wanted to re-sign that would command huge salaries. Although, somehow, with the worst record in the NFC for the last decade they are still up against cap wise
One of the things a lot of people forget, Schoen inherited a "cap hell" situation, which delays a rebuild if you stay focused on fixing the cap. And it seems, Schoen has done a decent job of getting it into reasonable shape
Quote from: uconnjack8 on May 03, 2024, 06:39:32 PMWish the Giants had the problem of too many draft picks they wanted to re-sign that would command huge salaries. Although, somehow, with the worst record in the NFC for the last decade they are still up against cap wise
The only way a team sustains cap health, long-term, is to consistently draft well. That has not been the case for the Giants for a long time.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 04, 2024, 08:52:38 AMThe only way a team sustains cap health, long-term, is to consistently draft well. That has not been the case for the Giants for a long time.
Rich,
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on May 04, 2024, 08:43:11 AMOne of the things a lot of people forget, Schoen inherited a "cap hell" situation, which delays a rebuild if you stay focused on fixing the cap. And it seems, Schoen has done a decent job of getting it into reasonable shape
Not sure anyone has forgotten it, but he did sign Jones to that extension and made a good but expensive trade and sign with Burns. Further, missing on OL in the draft has caused the team to have to sign OL annually for more than draft picks would cost.
IMO, for a team that has been as poor as the Giants, the cap isn't great right now.