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Brian Daboll, asked about the outside corner spot opposite Deonte Banks, says he's eager to see guys compete on the field in spring and camp, but adds: "I've got a lot of confidence in Flott" #Giants
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Wow, it looks like Dabes lost a lot more weight than the 35 lbs I've heard he lost. Looks more like 60 lbs
That's who I have had penciled in as cb2 all offseason so nor really a surprise for me as it is to others.
Flott is rail thin. Good for DeVonta Smith but not big WR
Quote from: Philosophers on May 11, 2024, 02:50:15 PMFlott is rail thin. Good for DeVonta Smith but not big WR
Flott's 4.52 40 time is also a bit on the slow side by CB standards.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 11, 2024, 03:04:35 PMFlott's 4.52 40 time is also a bit on the slow side by CB standards.
Maybe not strong enough to press and tie up then recover to chase.
Flott is a backup at best on a good team. I'm putting my money on Hawkins having a breakout season.
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 11, 2024, 04:10:17 PMFlott is a backup at best on a good team. I'm putting my money on Hawkins having a breakout season.
I also believe Hawkins starts when the season starts.
Q. How do you feel about that cornerback spot on the outside opposite Tae Banks?
BRIAN DABOLL: Look forward to working in phase three and training camp. But I've got a lot of confidence in (Cor'Dale) Flott.
Flott has had 3 years to add muscle and weight. Yet, he is still being judged by his 19-year-old college body. That's the one thing that never gets fixed on the internet...they stick with the last documented weight, speed, strength, etc., which usually comes from the combine or the player's pro-day. Virtually none of the guys at 25/26 could duplicate the numbers they put up in a combine (except strength). Three years in the NFL changes a player in every way imaginable. And speed doesn't get better; however, ability to anticipate and read what is unfolding during a play gets much better
Flott has good instincts and has a football mind. Give him a chance to prove himself before relying on college data that no longer applies. Pretty much dittos with every player in the NFL. Hence the reason so many players who get drafted fail in the NFL...they didn't prepare themselves physically, mentally, and possess the personal drive for taking the next step in their athletic career...and it's a damn big step
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on May 12, 2024, 01:47:47 PMFlott has had 3 years to add muscle and weight. Yet, he is still being judged by his 19-year-old college body. That's the one thing that never gets fixed on the internet...they stick with the last documented weight, speed, strength, etc., which usually comes from the combine or the player's pro-day. Virtually none of the guys at 25/26 could duplicate the numbers they put up in a combine (except strength). Three years in the NFL changes a player in every way imaginable. And speed doesn't get better; however, ability to anticipate and read what is unfolding during a play gets much better
Flott has good instincts and has a football mind. Give him a chance to prove himself before relying on college data that no longer applies. Pretty much dittos with every player in the NFL. Hence the reason so many players who get drafted fail in the NFL...they didn't prepare themselves physically, mentally, and possess the personal drive for taking the next step in their athletic career...and it's a damn big step
On Giants.com he is listed at 6'2" and 175 pounds. Not a better source than that. That's rail thin.
Quote from: Philosophers on May 12, 2024, 08:25:41 PMOn Giants.com he is listed at 6'2" and 175 pounds. Not a better source than that. That's rail thin.
He added 10lbs after his rookie year from 165 to 175 then an additional 4 each of the following 2 years. Currently he's 3 inches taller than Adoree Jackson and 2-3lbs lighter.
I saw a YT video on Flotts body transformation from college to the NFL and it was discussed how he added 18lbs over 3 years without taking anything away from him speed wise. I'll try to find the video but hopefully that helps give you an idea of where he's at physically.
Quote from: Philosophers on May 12, 2024, 08:25:41 PMOn Giants.com he is listed at 6'2" and 175 pounds. Not a better source than that. That's rail thin.
The NFL Combine lists him at 6'0½ / 175 lbs. So, if Giants.com is right, then he's grown taller by a couple inches while maintaining his teenage weight, which would make him look like a "walking stick" as he'd be even thinner than when he was 19 yrs old
Personally, I don't think the Giants (or any team) routinely measures and weighs their players and they definitely do not report it to the masses through a media source. Hence, the reason it's almost always done coming out of college in preparation for enormous contracts, so teams know exactly what they're getting (knowing full well programs lie...or putting it more kindly, "exaggerate"). Colleges are notoriously bad at telling the truth about the size of their players...especially basketball where they will call a 6'7 guy, 6'10 in the news or in programs. Regardless, teams misreport player physical data all the time
The military does a good job of measuring (used to anyway, they probably use DNA now). For height, they lay you (naked) flat on your back like on a giant caliper (think shoe-size measuring contraptions at shoe stores) to get exact measurements. Probably because they need the data to identify your dead body in the absence of other identification, should the need be. The combine uses similar methods, including lasers, radar, exacting tools, and other precision equipment, that are not used by teams. Once a player reaches the NFL, height, weight, etc., it is irrelevant and private info, unless the player reveals his personal information. I don't trust any figures released by a team, which probably enters into the legal ramifications of HIPAA laws, if numbers are even close to being precise
If I were to take a gander at a precise height/weight on Flott, I'd put it closer to 6'/190+ lbs. But that's all anyone can do because his real numbers are private
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Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on May 13, 2024, 06:51:14 AMThe NFL Combine lists him at 6'0½ / 175 lbs. So, if Giants.com is right, then he's grown taller by a couple inches while maintaining his teenage weight, which would make him look like a "walking stick" as he'd be even thinner than when he was 19 yrs old
Personally, I don't think the Giants (or any team) routinely measures and weighs their players and they definitely do not report it to the masses through a media source. Hence, the reason it's almost always done coming out of college in preparation for enormous contracts, so teams know exactly what they're getting (knowing full well programs lie...or putting it more kindly, "exaggerate"). Colleges are notoriously bad at telling the truth about the size of their players...especially basketball where they will call a 6'7 guy, 6'10 in the news or in programs. Regardless, teams misreport player physical data all the time
The military does a good job of measuring (used to anyway, they probably use DNA now). For height, they lay you (naked) flat on your back like on a giant caliper (think shoe-size measuring contraptions at shoe stores) to get exact measurements. Probably because they need the data to identify your dead body in the absence of other identification, should the need be. The combine uses similar methods, including lasers, radar, exacting tools, and other precision equipment, that are not used by teams. Once a player reaches the NFL, height, weight, etc., it is irrelevant and private info, unless the player reveals his personal information. I don't trust any figures released by a team, which probably enters into the legal ramifications of HIPAA laws, if numbers are even close to being precise
If I were to take a gander at a precise height/weight on Flott, I'd put it closer to 6'/190+ lbs. But that's all anyone can do because his real numbers are private
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You may be right but I think teams pay close attention to ideal playing weights they want their players to be at and weight train them toward that number. I would think whereever the player ends up is the weight they post him at each year on their website. I may be wrong.
In photos he has muscle definition in places like his arms but he is not bulky at all. He looks 175 to me not 190.
Flott is 6'0.5. He came out of College at 165 lbs. He's still a lightweight at 175. If Daboll likes him outside, it portends the type of Coverage the new DC will employ. He is not a Press Corner. Unfortunately, he has not improved over the years and is not only a liability in Run Support, he gets manhandled by bigger Receivers. Although he has decent back-peddle and fluid hips, he's not fast and can get faked out by jukes. He has short arms, small hands, a weak Span, and a lousy Vertical. His size was good for the Slot but his weak Run Support was an issue and I remember sitting with Bobby Skinner at Camp discussing the frustration with Flott. Of course, anyone was better than Darnay Holmes. Put him on the outside and he's going to get burned over the top and fall down and play dead at second-level Run Support. Saquon Barkley is licking his chops just thinking about it. Sorry Ric
@Jolly Blue Giant, but you and I are going to have to disagree on this one. He's getting bumped by Phillips who will have the same issues but at least he's more physical although a bad tackler. If an aging Adoree was a 7, Flott is a 5.
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 13, 2024, 10:15:43 AMFlott is 6'0.5. He came out of College at 165 lbs. He's still a lightweight at 175. If Daboll likes him outside, it portends the type of Coverage the new DC will employ. He is not a Press Corner. Unfortunately, he has not improved over the years and is not only a liability in Run Support, he gets manhandled by bigger Receivers. Although he has decent back-peddle and fluid hips, he's not fast and can get faked out by jukes. He has short arms, small hands, a weak Span, and a lousy Vertical. His size was good for the Slot but his weak Run Support was an issue and I remember sitting with Bobby Skinner at Camp discussing the frustration with Flott. Of course, anyone was better than Darnay Holmes. Put him on the outside and he's going to get burned over the top and fall down and play dead at second-level Run Support. Saquon Barkley is licking his chops just thinking about it. Sorry Ric @Jolly Blue Giant, but you and I are going to have to disagree on this one. He's getting bumped by Phillips who will have the same issues but at least he's more physical although a bad tackler. If an aging Adoree was a 7, Flott is a 5.
I wouldn't argue that you're wrong (I do hope so, but that's hope). I am somewhat comforted by the idea that Flott will need to beat out Hawkins and McCloud to win that job.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 13, 2024, 10:33:10 AMI wouldn't argue that you're wrong (I do hope so, but that's hope). I am somewhat comforted by the idea that Flott will need to beat out Hawkins and McCloud to win that job.
I hope so too.