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Giants 6th round LB Darius Muasau, from Hawaii, is wearing a winter hat in 63 degree weather in May. Jokes this is all the cold he can handle in Jersey 😂. Also says he's looking forward to his first White Christmas ❄️. But don't be fooled by his smile. Says "I love running and hitting" and he has an "alter ego" once he steps on the field
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Quote from: MightyGiants on May 11, 2024, 01:26:59 PMhttps://x.com/DDuggan21/status/1789320196400001240
What fans are "constantly" seeking Aaron Robinson updates at this point?
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I am not going to focus on all these training moments. Gets way overhyped.
I'll pay attention to more finished products at the end of August.
Quote from: Philosophers on May 12, 2024, 10:01:40 AMI am not going to focus on all these training moments. Gets way overhyped.
I'll pay attention to more finished products at the end of August.
Well said, and I couldn't agree more.
I would even take it a step further and argue that the whole of camp and preseason get overhyped too in terms of their meaningfulness and correlation to real games. Look at all the optimism we had on this board in late August/early Sep, and then look at the historically terrible week one performance. That was not the only time we've seen this disconnect either. Not by a longshot, sadly.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 12, 2024, 10:54:29 AMWell said, and I couldn't agree more.
I would even take it a step further and argue that the whole of camp and preseason get overhyped too in terms of their meaningfulness and correlation to real games. Look at all the optimism we had on this board in late August/early Sep, and then look at the historically terrible week one performance. That was not the only time we've seen this disconnect either. Not by a longshot, sadly.
Do you think key injuries to Thomas (arguably the offense's best player), Waller, and Jones might have impacted what was expected versus what was produced?
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 12, 2024, 11:02:15 AMDo you think key injuries to Thomas (arguably the offense's best player), Waller, and Jones might have impacted what was expected versus what was produced?
How did any of those impact the week one game, which is what I was referencing?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 12, 2024, 11:04:16 AMHow did any of those impact the week one game, which is what I was referencing?
Thomas was injured very early in the game and Waller had been injured prior to the game and was not playing like he had in camp.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 12, 2024, 11:05:34 AMThomas was injured very early in the game and Waller had been injured prior to the game and was not playing like he had in camp.
So your argument is that if both of those players had been 100% healthy in all four quarters, we would have instead looked good in that game instead of losing 40-0?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 12, 2024, 11:07:18 AMSo your argument is that if both of those players had been 100% healthy in all four quarters, we would have instead looked good in that game instead of losing 40-0?
I am not sure what the point of that extreme binary question is. Are you suggesting the offense wouldn't have looked significantly better with their two most important players healthy?
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 12, 2024, 11:11:35 AMI am not sure what the point of that extreme binary question is. Are you suggesting the offense wouldn't have looked significantly better with their two most important players healthy?
My original point was that you had people on this forum saying the Giants were going to be "something special" in 2023 based on their observations over the summer through the preseason, and that the eventual reality on the ground was in stark contrast to that. I further noted that that disconnect has occurred plenty of times in the past, both with us and with other fan bases around the league. I specifically noted the disconnect between the intense optimism seen here and the woefully poor performance in week one, which is generally the most reflective week of how well prepared the team was over the various stages of camp and the preseason.
You seemed to disagree with (and want to discredit) my observation by pointing out that Waller, who played the whole game and for another 7 weeks after that, wasn't 100% perfectly healthy and that Andrew Thomas missed some of the game. I personally don't agree that those two issues are why we lost 40-0 or that had every relevant member of the team been 100% healthy (an extreme rarity for any NFL team in any game), that things would have been dramatically different in that game.
To me that game illustrated a lack of preparation of the team and also the team's lack of overall talent and depth. To isolate one or two injuries, even to starters, simply does not debunk the above.
The biggest problem in that Dallas Game was Jones played scared and had a deer in headlights look. One thing he must improve upon is success on national tv games. He melts in those spots
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 12, 2024, 11:11:35 AMI am not sure what the point of that extreme binary question is. Are you suggesting the offense wouldn't have looked significantly better with their two most important players healthy?
Guys - almost all of the pressure in the Dallas game came from the right side of the OL. Thomas and Waller would not have mattered. Neal got destroyed by 9 tech edges and 5-7 tech twists.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 12, 2024, 11:20:04 AMMy original point was that you had people on this forum saying the Giants were going to be "something special" in 2023 based on their observations over the summer through the preseason, and that the eventual reality on the ground was in stark contrast to that. I further noted that that disconnect has occurred plenty of times in the past, both with us and with other fan bases around the league. I specifically noted the disconnect between the intense optimism seen here and the woefully poor performance in week one, which is generally the most reflective week of how well prepared the team was over the various stages of camp and the preseason.
You seemed to disagree with (and want to discredit) my observation by pointing out that Waller, who played the whole game and for another 7 weeks after that, wasn't 100% perfectly healthy and that Andrew Thomas missed some of the game. I personally don't agree that those two issues are why we lost 40-0 or that had every relevant member of the team been 100% healthy (an extreme rarity for any NFL team in any game), that things would have been dramatically different in that game.
To me that game illustrated a lack of preparation of the team and also the team's lack of overall talent and depth. To isolate one or two injuries, even to starters, simply does not debunk the above.
Andrew Thomas did more than just "miss part of the game", he got on the FG attempt that ended the first drive. Why understate the magnitude of Thomas' injury and its impact on the game?
Quote from: Philosophers on May 12, 2024, 01:22:39 PMGuys - almost all of the pressure in the Dallas game came from the right side of the OL. Thomas and Waller would not have mattered. Neal got destroyed by 9 tech edges and 5-7 tech twists.
That is true. Although once Thomas was injured, the Giants could no longer afford to send the O-line help to Neal and leave Thomas on an island
Jones was horrible that game let's not forget that. He melted
Quote from: Trench on May 12, 2024, 01:03:50 PMThe biggest problem in that Dallas Game was Jones played scared and had a deer in headlights look. One thing he must improve upon is success on national tv games. He melts in those spots
Quote from: Trench on May 12, 2024, 02:40:13 PMJones was horrible that game let's not forget that. He melted
Jones dropped back 28 times in that game. Of those 28 dropbacks, he was sacked 7 times, hit 6 times, and hurried 24 times. Do you think that it's possible (even if remotely) that might have impacted DJ's game? Plus it was pouring rain
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 12, 2024, 02:54:08 PMJones dropped back 28 times in that game. Of those 28 dropbacks, he was sacked 7 times, hit 6 times, and hurried 24 times. Do you think that it's possible (even if remotely) that might have impacted DJ's game? Plus it was pouring rain
And he had fast feet. Eyes wide open and scared look, locked on every receiver and made horrible decisions. You can attempt to defend it that's fine by me, but he looked overmatched and nervous.
Quote from: Trench on May 12, 2024, 02:58:20 PMAnd he had fast feet. Eyes wide open and scared look, locked on every receiver and made horrible decisions. You can attempt to defend it that's fine by me, but he looked overmatched and nervous.
What do you expect? QB behavior changes when trust in OL breaks down.
Is Jones at rookie mini-camp?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 12, 2024, 11:07:18 AMSo your argument is that if both of those players had been 100% healthy in all four quarters, we would have instead looked good in that game instead of losing 40-0?
Get your facts straight, my very good friend. It was 0-41. Again zero, fourty-one!
Lest we forget!
(Seriously, but in jest!)
Peace!
All right, all-right, now!
C'mon everyone! We all know this is a public engagement opportunity for the press to meet the kids. But, it's also an indoctrination for each of them into the New York Football Giants and get them all registered into the Giants' everything (e.g. human resources, health, physicals, meetings, getting fitted for their equipment, etc. ... no different from your first days at boot camp).
They entered 1925 Giants Drive as college kids. They'll walk out as New York Football Giants.
Simple as that. That is, until they go through their real "boot camp" this summer.
We wish them all well.
Peace!
The Giants and anticipation last year was a true disconnect. Daboll ran a Club Med Camp, feeling good. They actually believed their OL was at least aquedate and had added impact players in Waller and Campbell, who bombed.
With their OL so porous, so lacking in depth, they never could integrate their new players (Hyatt too) and Jones was shell-shocked almost immediately, played scared and then kayoed.
The opening beat down by the Cowboys was a harbinger of the season.
Hopefully Camp this year is boot camp
Quote from: Trench on May 13, 2024, 10:19:18 PMHopefully Camp this year is boot camp
I''m not heartened by Daboll's comments about not throwing too much at them and spending one hour on the field (although to be fair I don't know the rules about what the limits are for on-field practice time in rookie camp).
There is a funny series of YouTube shorts about the contrast between how American parent interacts with her kid compared to Asian mom. When it comes to all of the camps, I want Daboll to be an Asian mom.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 14, 2024, 10:58:19 AMI''m not heartened by Daboll's comments about not throwing too much at them and spending one hour on the field (although to be fair I don't know the rules about what the limits are for on-field practice time in rookie camp).
There is a funny series of YouTube shorts about the contrast between how American parent interacts with her kid compared to Asian mom. When it comes to all of the camps, I want Daboll to be an Asian mom.
You are 100% correct AZ
Under the current NFL rules the only real opportunity to set tempo and intensity on the field is in training camp and even that is greatly reduced from past eras.
What you can do in rookie camp and mini camp is establish tempo and intensity off the field, by demanding and enforcing that they be on time & attentive to meetings, learn the playbook and push hard in the gym/meet physical targets.
We cannot really see if it is American or Asian Mom until training camp but if they arrive at training camp looking confused and operating at walking pace again it will raise questions about what went before.
Quote from: londonblue on May 14, 2024, 03:36:33 PMUnder the current NFL rules the only real opportunity to set tempo and intensity on the field is in training camp and even that is greatly reduced from past eras.
What you can do in rookie camp and mini camp is establish tempo and intensity off the field, by demanding and enforcing that they be on time & attentive to meetings, learn the playbook and push hard in the gym/meet physical targets.
We cannot really see if it is American or Asian Mom until training camp but if they arrive at training camp looking confused and operating at walking pace again it will raise questions about what went before.
It is the fact that the opportunity to set the tone and intensity is so reduced that what opportunity is there needs to be addressed with a sense of urgency. I don't think we saw that last year. My hope is that it changes this year. But the early signs from rookie camp don't give me the warm fuzzies.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 14, 2024, 04:34:31 PMIt is the fact that the opportunity to set the tone and intensity is so reduced that what opportunity is there needs to be addressed with a sense of urgency. I don't think we saw that last year. My hope is that it changes this year. But the early signs from rookie camp don't give me the warm fuzzies.
You make me wonder if Daboll survives another bad season.
Was Daboll's approach to training camp an issue in 2022 when the Giants started 6-1? I don't recall criticism at that time. I'm not a fan of the way the Giants started 2023, but I also don't know its the result of the training camp approach... and I don't think teams in 2023 were taking the Giants for granted like they were in 2022.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on May 15, 2024, 10:24:45 AMWas Daboll's approach to training camp an issue in 2022 when the Giants started 6-1? I don't recall criticism at that time. I'm not a fan of the way the Giants started 2023, but I also don't know its the result of the training camp approach... and I don't think teams in 2023 were taking the Giants for granted like they were in 2022.
As with most things the results are all that matters. Go take a look at McVey's training camp routine. And some others as well. Daboll looks like Parcells by comparison to that. The #1 priority at camp these days for most of the roster is to not get anybody hurt before week 1. Rookies and new additions will need some time to learn their teammates and playbook and things like that but the guys coming back just don't get hurt please. They'll be plenty of time for injuries later.