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What did you say about conspiracy theories... "The Bastion of the Weak Minded"??
Is this anything new? For the past 5 years it's been Barkley and now it's Lawrence and Thibs. The best players on the team or flashy 1st rd picks are typically the focus of the media.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 15, 2024, 11:19:28 AMIs this anything new? For the past 5 years it's been Barkley and now it's Lawrence and Thibs. The best players on the team or flashy 1st rd picks are typically the focus of the media.
It is sad that the highest paid player has never been considered the face of the franchise.
It's not his fault. Blame all the DJ Hate out there.
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 15, 2024, 11:29:28 AMIt's not his fault. Blame all the DJ Hate out there.
Blame the person who created the flyer and blame the person who approved it.
Haters gonna hate hate hate...
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 15, 2024, 11:15:42 AMWhat did you say about conspiracy theories... "The Bastion of the Weak Minded"??
What's the theory?
Reminds me of the mid 1990s when Dave Brown was benched for Tommy Maddox. Trying times.
Peace.
Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 11:46:24 AMBlame the person who created the flyer and blame the person who approved it.
Haters gonna hate hate hate...
To be fair, DJ is just not marquee player. The Giants are in the entertainment business and need to promote players that will actually sell tickets and/or merchandise.
Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 12:29:50 PMTo be fair, DJ is just not marquee player. The Giants are in the entertainment business and need to promote players that will actually sell tickets and/or merchandise.
I like WDR and hope he has his breakout season. But... what has he done to this point to warrant being on the flyer?
The Giants will go as far as Jones takes them. FWIW, IMHO, he should have been on there.
Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 12:55:00 PMI like WDR and hope he has his breakout season. But... what has he done to this point to warrant being on the flyer?
The Giants will go as far as Jones takes them. FWIW, IMHO, he should have been on there.
Tim,
The Giants are in the entertainment sector; their job is to generate buzz for the sole purpose of selling tickets and/or merchandise. I'm not entirely sure what rewarding players via a spot on a flyer has to do with those efforts. The Giants are a multi-billion dollar privately owned business, with an extensive marketing department. I'm sure thier research discovered fans are excited about WDR protentional; thus, they chose to promote him over more well established players. Fundamentally, a football organization #1 goal is to generate profit, vice winning games. The flyer is concerned with the former and not the latter.
Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 01:11:15 PMTim,
The Giants are in the entertainment sector; their job is to generate buzz for the sole purpose of selling tickets and/or merchandise. I'm not entirely sure what rewarding players via a spot on a flyer has to do with those efforts. The Giants are a multi-billion dollar privately owned business, with an extensive marketing department. I'm sure thier research discovered fans are excited about WDR protentional; thus, they chose to promote him over more well established players. Fundamentally, a football organization #1 goal is to generate profit, vice winning games. The flyer is concerned with the former and not the latter.
I get your point. I just don't agree with it.
Winning is the ultimate goal. You win, people want to see/pay for your product.
We have several members here who gave up their PSLs and tickets because of the piss-poor product that has been trotted out over that past 10+ years.
Despite the efforts to replace Jones, it would behoove the organization to have this kid's head on straight and his ego intact. Throw him a bone and show that the entire organization is behind him and he is the face of this franchise, at least for this season.
And, if not Jones, on the flyer, at least put the #1 pick up there. There's more hope about what lift he can provide the offense than what WDR can. Just sayin'.
It would be presumptuous to put Nabers on the poster. The players on it currently are all they got to advertise right now.
Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 01:23:18 PMI get your point. I just don't agree with it.
Winning is the ultimate goal. You win, people want to see/pay for your product.
We have several members here who gave up their PSLs and tickets because of the piss-poor product that has been trotted out over that past 10+ years.
Despite the efforts to replace Jones, it would behoove the organization to have this kid's head on straight and his ego intact. Throw him a bone and show that the entire organization is behind him and he is the face of this franchise, at least for this season.
And, if not Jones, on the flyer, at least put the #1 pick up there. There's more hope about what lift he can provide the offense than what WDR can. Just sayin'.
I hear you, Tim, but the data simply doesn't support your sentiments; 6 of the top 10 most valuable franchise have stunk for 3 or more years...5 of the 6 have stunk for more than a decade; The Bill, Lions and Bengals are #30, 31 and 32. It's fairly clear winning has absolutely nothing to do with profitability. Concerning the PSL, the Giants could care less who buys thier tickets. The NFL ticket exchange ensures they get a cut of ticket sales from all third party vendors. So, while some fans elected to forgo thier PSL(s), other fans have stepped in to purchase them, if solely for the purpose of reselling thier tickets via said exchange to make a profit.
More to the point, the Giants marketing department does not care about throwing players a bone or winning games; their job is to sell tickets. It really is that simple, my friend. I believe some fans conflate the entertainment side of the business with football operations; they're two separate things...
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Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 01:34:21 PMI hear you, Tim, but the data simply doesn't support your sentiments; 6 of the top 10 most valuable franchise have stunk for 3 or more years...5 of the 6 have stunk for more than a decade; The Bill, Lions and Bengals are #30, 31 and 32. It's fairly clear winning has absolutely nothing to do with profitability. Concerning the PSL, the Giants could care less who buys thier tickets. The NFL ticket exchange ensures they get a cut of ticket sales from all third party vendors. So, while some fans elected to forgo thier PSL(s), other fans have stepped in to purchase them, if solely for the purpose of reselling thier tickets via said exchange to make a profit.
More to the point, the Giants marketing department does not care about throwing players a bone or winning games; their job is to sell tickets. It really is that simple, my friend. I believe some fans conflate the entertainment side of the business with football operations; they're two separate things...
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Sorry, still don't buy that this flyer without Jones will generate more revenue, since you say that's the bottom line, than it would with him.
Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 01:53:44 PMSorry, still don't buy that this flyer without Jones will generate more revenue, since you say that's the bottom line, than it would with him.
They don't know who the starting QB will be.
Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 01:53:44 PMSorry, still don't buy that this flyer without Jones will generate more revenue, since you say that's the bottom line, than it would with him.
Tim,
Can I ask you a few questions, which I hope will better articulate my point?
1. Do yo believe the Giants have an extensive marketing department?
2. Do you believe the Giants conducted research pertaining to the players the fanbase was most excited about, which coupled with thier internal data (e.g. jersey sales, media request, etc) allowed them to glean who thier most marketable players are?
3. If you believe 2 occurred, isn't it logical to place the players that polled/rated the highest on the marquee?
Also, to Ed's point, the Giants would look foolish to promote DJ, only to go in a different direction early in the season.
From my perspective, I just have a hard time believing a multi-billion dollar organization randomly chose three players to promote without doing extensive research.
Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 02:03:27 PMTim,
Can I ask you a few questions, which I hope will better articulate my point?
1. Do yo believe the Giants have an extensive marketing department?
2. Do you believe the Giants conducted research pertaining to the players the fanbase was most excited about, which coupled with thier internal data (e.g. jersey sales, media request, etc) allowed them to glean who thier most marketable players are?
3. If you believe 2 occurred, isn't it logic to place the players that polled/rated the highest on the marquee?
From my perspective, I just have a hard time believing a multi-billion dollar organization randomly chose three players to promote without doing extensive research.
Well, that same marketing department thought it was a good idea to give fans a soda for fan appreciation day, so there's that.
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 15, 2024, 01:59:15 PMThey don't know who the starting QB will be.
That's a *little* more plausibe. Little.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 15, 2024, 02:06:36 PMWell, that same marketing department thought it was a good idea to give fans a soda for fan appreciation day, so there's that.
:laugh: :yes: :yes:
Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 02:03:27 PMTim,
Can I ask you a few questions, which I hope will better articulate my point?
1. Do yo believe the Giants have an extensive marketing department?
2. Do you believe the Giants conducted research pertaining to the players the fanbase was most excited about, which coupled with thier internal data (e.g. jersey sales, media request, etc) allowed them to glean who thier most marketable players are?
3. If you believe 2 occurred, isn't it logical to place the players that polled/rated the highest on the marquee?
Also, to Ed's point, the Giants would look foolish to promote DJ, only to go in a different direction early in the season.
From my perspective, I just have a hard time believing a multi-billion dollar organization randomly chose three players to promote without doing extensive research.
No.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 15, 2024, 02:06:36 PMWell, that same marketing department thought it was a good idea to give fans a soda for fan appreciation day, so there's that.
That was more than likely thier public affairs aperture and not marketing...those are two completely separate sections.
Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 02:03:27 PMTim,
Can I ask you a few questions, which I hope will better articulate my point?
1. Do yo believe the Giants have an extensive marketing department?
2. Do you believe the Giants conducted research pertaining to the players the fanbase was most excited about, which coupled with thier internal data (e.g. jersey sales, media request, etc) allowed them to glean who thier most marketable players are?
3. If you believe 2 occurred, isn't it logical to place the players that polled/rated the highest on the marquee?
Also, to Ed's point, the Giants would look foolish to promote DJ, only to go in a different direction early in the season.
From my perspective, I just have a hard time believing a multi-billion dollar organization randomly chose three players to promote without doing extensive research.
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1) Yes
2) Not sure
3) If #2 were true, I have a hard time believing fans are looking forward to seeing WDR than they are Nabers. In terms of popularity, as polarizing as Jones is, I think he has enough of a following that will easily eclipse the WanDale Robinson fan club.
Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 02:11:29 PM=)) =)) =)) =))
Just felt like messing with you! =)) =)) =))
1) Yes
2) Not sure
3) If #2 were true, I have a hard time believing fans are looking forward to seeing WDR than they are Nabers. In terms of popularity, as polarizing as Jones is, I think he has enough of a following that will easily eclipse the WanDale Robinson fan club.
I did get a chuckle...you know I respect and appreciate what you do! We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
I don't see the problem. It was well reported that the Giants tried to trade up for the QB of the future.
With that being said, does anyone think Jones is the "face of the franchise"?
I don't see the issue here.
Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 02:15:39 PMI did get a chuckle...you know I respect and appreciate what you do! We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
:cheers:
All good my man! :Chestram:
Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 02:06:55 PMThat's a *little* more plausibe. Little.
Wouldn't Jones throwing to Nabors and Hyatt make for an exciting promotion. The team is struggling to find an identity and this was the best they could do.
The veiled conspiracy theory would be who will the starting QB be for the NY Giants when the media is dropping hints of a competition between two struggling passers.
Quote from: T200 on May 15, 2024, 02:17:03 PM:cheers:
All good my man! :Chestram:
The day we all agree, we can close shop.
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 15, 2024, 02:20:18 PMWouldn't Jones throwing to Nabors and Hyatt make for an exciting promotion. The team is struggling to find an identity and this was the best they could do.
The veiled conspiracy theory would be who will the starting QB be for the NY Giants when the media is dropping hints of a competition between two struggling passers.
And add Singletary as well. There's a new 26 in town.
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 15, 2024, 01:59:15 PMThey don't know who the starting QB will be.
We didn't know who the starting QB was in 1977 either! The very limited Giants' NFL Properties at the time only featured #10. Great! Which QB was #10? NO! You don't get it, #10 was Brad Van Pelt, our star LB!!!
The Giants shipped Craig Morton to Denver in exchange for Steve Ramsey. They signed Dennis Shaw in 1976. They also signed three kids, Jerry Golsteyn, Randy Dean and the infamous "Patterson Plank" Joe (whose name shall not be mentioned on this board lest one wish an ugly encounter with the "Tru-Blu fan," the tall, dark handsome, now retired CBS engineer parked in front of the Gevalia Urn sipping today's light-roast special). The ugly disaster of six pre-season games in 1977 revealed quickly that neither Shaw nor Ramsey were up for the Giants' QB gig, and that John McVay would go into the season with the three kids with zero (0) NFL experience between them.
Perhaps they didn't know any better, or maybe Frank Gifford's Hall of Fame halftime ceremony charged up the troops, but the Giants, led by Golsteyn, kept pace with George Allen's Redskins all day. George Martin returned an INT for a TD, but the Giants still trailed late in the final quarter. But the Giants' Defense generated a fumble, which they recovered, and "The Beak," Joe Danelo, booted the kick straight and true for the winner and Giants Stadium rocked. Forget those Cowboys and Steelers #12 jerseys, we now have our own #12 hero! Right! Right? Uh, right, everyone, uh, hey, give it up for the "Steen" guys and gals! Where'd everyone go? They went down to Dallas next week where #12 in the blue jersey was squashed like a bug on a windshield by this huge player in a white jersey with the #79 on it (i.e. Harvey Martin). The Giants had a left tackle issue back then; Gordon Gravelle was completely overmatched and the results were very similar to last year's season opener. Golsteyn (#12) was injured and in came our fearless leader from New Mexico State, #9 himself. He didn't fare much better but, at least to his credit, he tossed up a wing and a prayer that became the Giants only "Hail Mary" that was answered that day in a 41-21 whooping in Big D.
So, the point is that this discussion made me chuckle, a little, because it brought back memories from the 1990s as well as the 1970s. You want the QB on the Germany poster? Just be glad we have a poster at all! Sometimes you have to be grateful for even the little things.
Peace!
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 15, 2024, 01:59:15 PMThey don't know who the starting QB will be.
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Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 01:34:21 PMI hear you, Tim, but the data simply doesn't support your sentiments; 6 of the top 10 most valuable franchise have stunk for 3 or more years...5 of the 6 have stunk for more than a decade; The Bill, Lions and Bengals are #30, 31 and 32. It's fairly clear winning has absolutely nothing to do with profitability. Concerning the PSL, the Giants could care less who buys thier tickets. The NFL ticket exchange ensures they get a cut of ticket sales from all third party vendors. So, while some fans elected to forgo thier PSL(s), other fans have stepped in to purchase them, if solely for the purpose of reselling thier tickets via said exchange to make a profit.
More to the point, the Giants marketing department does not care about throwing players a bone or winning games; their job is to sell tickets. It really is that simple, my friend. I believe some fans conflate the entertainment side of the business with football operations; they're two separate things...
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As somebody who has to sell most of his tickets every season because he just can't get to many games anymore...making a profit isn't generally in the cards. At least not recently. Now if the Giants pull themselves out of the dumpster and start becoming relevant that might be a different story.
In a related story...if you want tickets to a game this year let me know! :yes:
As we seem to feel a need to impute some sort of message- although not at all subliminal given Pat Leonard's chain jerking addendum- re the Giants first ever game to be played in Deutschland, we might take consolation in that Daniel Jones's absence from the image pictured might be sufficient to satisfy the haters and baters amongst us. But then, who am I trying to kid?
Cheers!
When our kicker is on a promotional poster and not our QB, says a lot about the opinion of where the talent lies on this team.
Quote from: LennG on May 15, 2024, 07:40:11 PMWhen our kicker is on a promotional poster and not our QB, says a lot about the opinion of where the talent lies on this team.
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Peace!
Jones is the face of the franchise and he should be on the poster. He's out highest paid player and he's the QB. Someone screwed up with this because it signals Jones May in fact either not be healthy or perhaps they believe he will not be the starter.
Fools rush in where...never mind... we dance to whomever plays the pipe. And not just in matters of "sport".
Cheers!