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To what extent will you be rooting for Saquon this season?

I'm glad he got paid, but I have no desire to see him succeed for a rival team. Just because the Eagles can afford him doesn't mean they deserve him. So, I picked option 4.

I don't think I could be any more indifferent. 

I won't be rooting one way or another except for the 2 Giants v Eagles games in which I will hope to see him have little or no impact. Then again, when the Uglies play the Cows, I might feel differently

Cheers!

Not really that interested.

Guy showed his colors... "Once a Giant...

I hope he gets stuffed at the line of scrimmage for the rest of his touches by the hand of God career.

I don't wish him to do badly. I would be happy for him if he did well. Root? I don't know. He's on a rival team and to root for him is like rooting for the Eagles. 🦅 I'll say ambivalent.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 20, 2024, 07:07:52 PMTo what extent will you be rooting for Saquon this season?

None.  I hope he turns out to be a complete waste of money for the Eagles.

Couldn't care less

Who ???

No longer a Giant. So, I don't really care about his stats and what knot. Now, when the Egirls play us, I will cheer if he gets smacked behind the LOS for loss of yards.  ;)

He had 4 offers, he could have easily gone elsewhere and still chose the Eagles.

I do know that he was a waste of money. Even in 2022 when he had that first half resurgence and finished as one of the top backs yardage wise his analytics and EPA were bottoms in the league.

I am glad we are no longer paying money for his services and that we are going to a more modern 2-3 cheap backs system so he won't register with me going forward.

I voted for the last option. He accomplished nothing here, the Giants did nothing while he was here, and at best, he's a footnote in Giants history.

To the point that if he does literally anything as an Eagle (rushing title, playoff wins, etc), he'll go down in history as an Eagle. That's how little his Giants career is worth.

Quote from: Trench on May 20, 2024, 08:25:24 PMGuy showed his colors... "Once a Giant...

I hope he gets stuffed at the line of scrimmage for the rest of his touches by the hand of God career.

I take your point, but we ought not to attribute to Barkley "the hand of God" and "Gold Jacket" bloviations which were strictly those of one Dave Gettleman. As for Barkley's, "Once a Giant... I think he hoped it would be so. It just wasn't a hope shared by Schoen/Daboll Co. In any case, he's an Eagle now, no more, no less,
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Cheers!

I voted for not caring either way. It's done.

I do think he's going to have a very good year.

I hope he becomes the face of the franchise  :sick:

I root for three teams every week.  The Giants and whoever is playing Dallas and Philly.

I voted for passionately. I'm a fan of his 100%. I hope he runs for 200+ and multiple TDs for 15 games and less than 50 when he plays us!

He deserves to play behind a solid line to help him showcase his talents. Had we had a better line or gone to a team with a line, he would easily be the top RB over the course of his career.

No more than any other non-Giant... so I voted "I don't care" (not quite accurate but close enough). Bob

I voted for 4 but I'm probably somewhere between 4 and 5. I don't dislike the guy, but I don't want his team to do well and I wouldn't mind seeing a few weeks where he goes something like 18 carries for 42 yards. If he went somewhere outside the division I would've probably voted for 3, don't care.

Anticipating all the Barkley threads from the "I don't care" contingent  :-??  :suspious:  :yes:

Quote from: T200 on May 21, 2024, 01:21:17 PMAnticipating all the Barkley threads from the "I don't care" contingent  :-??  :suspious:  :yes:

Threads stating what? That he's past his prime?

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on May 21, 2024, 01:40:51 PMThreads stating what? That he's past his prime?

Knowing how we are around here, most of them will undoubtedly be after he has a bad game.

Point is, some that say they don't care one way or the other will be the ones initiating the threads... because they actually care.  :laugh:  :laugh:

Quote from: T200 on May 21, 2024, 01:43:16 PMKnowing how we are around here, most of them will undoubtedly be after he has a bad game.

Point is, some that say they don't care one way or the other will be the ones initiating the threads... because they actually care.  :laugh:  :laugh:

I would enjoy watching Saquon languish in Philly, so I'll commit to starting a thread the first time he averages less than 3 yards a carry, which he did in 20% of his starts as a Giant.

Because the rivalry with Philly matters to me, not an aging RB who was sold to us as touched by God but was in reality known as much for his bitcoin advocacy than anything he accomplished on the field.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on May 21, 2024, 01:52:05 PMI would enjoy watching Saquon languish in Philly, so I'll commit to starting a thread the first time he averages less than 3 yards a carry, which he did in 20% of his starts as a Giant.

Because the rivalry with Philly matters to me, not an aging RB who was sold to us as touched by God but was in reality known as much for his bitcoin advocacy than anything he accomplished on the field.

He was definitely boom or bust but without him, this offense would have been much worse.

I do think the Giants' RB-by-committee will collectively produce more than featuring Barkley.

Quote from: T200 on May 21, 2024, 01:58:44 PMHe was definitely boom or bust but without him, this offense would have been much worse.

I do think the Giants' RB-by-committee will collectively produce more than featuring Barkley.

The goal is to get better than Dallas and Philly. It didn't work out for Barkley here. Players come and go but the goal hasn't changed.

Quote from: T200 on May 21, 2024, 01:21:17 PMAnticipating all the Barkley threads from the "I don't care" contingent  :-??  :suspious:  :yes:

I am in the don't care camp, but I think you're correct.   I think their are two aspects to this.  There is Barkley the person and Barkley the asset.   As a person, his success or failure doesn't phase me because he is no longer on the team (for some reason, I never really warmed up to the guy, even though he carried himself well).   There is also Barkley the asset and his success and failure reflects on Joe Schoen and the decisions he made.  So I could see that aspect being discussed.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 21, 2024, 02:26:03 PMI am in the don't care camp, but I think you're correct.   I think their are two aspects to this.  There is Barkley the person and Barkley the asset.   As a person, his success or failure doesn't phase me because he is no longer on the team (for some reason, I never really warmed up to the guy, even though he carried himself well).   There is also Barkley the asset and his success and failure reflects on Joe Schoen and the decisions he made.  So I could see that aspect being discussed.

He was a good Giant and I bear no ill-will towards him. If he succeeds elsewhere, even with a rival, I'm happy for him.

If we can post every failure of Toney's and he was barely here, I can only imagine what we're going to see every time Barkley comes up short.

Quote from: T200 on May 21, 2024, 02:52:52 PMHe was a good Giant and I bear no ill-will towards him. If he succeeds elsewhere, even with a rival, I'm happy for him.

If we can post every failure of Toney's and he was barely here, I can only imagine what we're going to see every time Barkley comes up short.

I hear you.   I can only speak for myself, but I will not be celebrating if he struggles nor will I be upset if he succeeds.   There are some players I don't like, like Aaron Rodgers, who I like to see struggle and there are players I am happy to see them enjoying success, like Purdy.  Barkley just doesn't move the needle for me.   That said, I am dreading the Barkley hype train leasing up to the Giants VS Eagles games, as it just seems forced by the media.

I think there's also a good number of folks in the fanbase that are still stung by Barkley essentially being right all along about his worth on the market and pretty much everyone else being wrong.  Even the bitcoin thing he took so much slack for looks to have bounced back in a huge way (if he even stuck with it...who knows). 

And Rich- I have an awful feeling that the hype train is not going to be the only thing to worry about when Barkley comes to town.  My gut having watched him for many years is that he's going to want to ring it up against us because of all the silly fan vitriol that's been spewed his way (and I think the Eagles staff, being the a-holes they are, will absolutely work to accommodate this happening).  So, that's definitely my bigger worry when he comes back to town. 

As for me- no surprises here, I'm hoping he finally gets a creative OC and a solid OL to run behind- and, even if diminished by injury, gets back to that upper echelon of RB that he's worked so hard to be.  Just not against us.

Quote from: PSUBeirut on May 21, 2024, 07:12:43 PMI think there's also a good number of folks in the fanbase that are still stung by Barkley essentially being right all along about his worth on the market and pretty much everyone else being wrong.  Even the bitcoin thing he took so much slack for looks to have bounced back in a huge way (if he even stuck with it...who knows). 

And Rich- I have an awful feeling that the hype train is not going to be the only thing to worry about when Barkley comes to town.  My gut having watched him for many years is that he's going to want to ring it up against us because of all the silly fan vitriol that's been spewed his way (and I think the Eagles staff, being the a-holes they are, will absolutely work to accommodate this happening).  So, that's definitely my bigger worry when he comes back to town. 

As for me- no surprises here, I'm hoping he finally gets a creative OC and a solid OL to run behind- and, even if diminished by injury, gets back to that upper echelon of RB that he's worked so hard to be.  Just not against us.

I don't think anyone was right or wrong about the RB market.  Part of the free agent value is tied to the positional strength of the draft, especially for a position like RB.  Last year there was a bumper crop of high end RBs to draft.  This year, not so much.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 21, 2024, 08:11:47 PMI don't think anyone was right or wrong about the RB market.  Part of the free agent value is tied to the positional strength of the draft, especially for a position like RB.  Last year there was a bumper crop of high end RBs to draft.  This year, not so much.

He got overpaid. He's been bottom 3rd analytics wise the past 2 years. The Eagles overpaid for name recognition and what they think he can possibly do with their oline. Because it wasn't for what he's put on the field the past 2 years. His EPA, VOA, and every other offensive metric is ridiculously bad.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 21, 2024, 09:07:53 PMHe got overpaid. He's been bottom 3rd analytics wise the past 2 years. The Eagles overpaid for name recognition and what they think he can possibly do with their oline. Because it wasn't for what he's put on the field the past 2 years. His EPA, VOA, and every other offensive metric is ridiculously bad.

The market is what the market is.  The Eagles weren't the only team making a serious offer that was significantly above what I imagine you and many others thought a team would be willing to pay for a guy with such ridiculously bad metrics.  We'll see how it plays out, I guess, but it would not surprise me in the least to see Barkley have a good to great year and perhaps a spring in his step once he sees some daylight in front of him.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 21, 2024, 09:07:53 PMHe got overpaid. He's been bottom 3rd analytics wise the past 2 years. The Eagles overpaid for name recognition and what they think he can possibly do with their oline. Because it wasn't for what he's put on the field the past 2 years. His EPA, VOA, and every other offensive metric is ridiculously bad.

As @Painter has been pointing out from the very start, one of the things about Barkley is that he is a boom-bust runner.  A stat I've never seen, but would like to, is median yards per attempt.  My gut feeling is that it would give a sense of the RB's consistency and would be particularly useful in comparing backs to historically great back.  My other gut feeling is that Barkley would not rank very highly by this measure.

I'd like him to do well to show what he's capable of behind a half decent offensive line, like most others, he's nothing. Once a Giant, always... What a joke.

Quote from: PSUBeirut on May 21, 2024, 10:14:07 PMThe market is what the market is.  The Eagles weren't the only team making a serious offer that was significantly above what I imagine you and many others thought a team would be willing to pay for a guy with such ridiculously bad metrics.  We'll see how it plays out, I guess, but it would not surprise me in the least to see Barkley have a good to great year and perhaps a spring in his step once he sees some daylight in front of him.

I am not sure what your point is exactly? I simply pointed out that per his metrics he got significantly overpaid for name recognition and for what the Eagles think he could possibly be with them. All were factual statements, but it is what it is at this point. There is a reason the Giants didn't even offer him at all and turned around and paid for Singletary.

These 2 list cover the past decade plus of RBs for the Super Bowl winning and losing team. Only Christian McCaffrey and Marshawn Lynch made the pro bowl the year their team went to the super bowl.

Joseph Addai/Donald Brown 2009

Rashard Mendenhall 2010

BenJarvus Green-Ellis / Shane Vereen / Stevan Ridley 2011

Frank Gore 2012

Knowshon Moreno 2013

Marshawn Lynch 2014

Jonathan Stewart 2015

Devonta Freeman / Tevin Coleman 2016

Dion Lewis / James White 2017

Todd Gurley 2018

Matt Breida / Jeff Wilson / Raheem Mostert 2019

Clyde Edwards-Helaire 2020

Joe Mixon 2021

Miles Sanders 2022

Christian McCaffrey 2023

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 22, 2024, 01:49:52 PMI am not sure what your point is exactly? I simply pointed out that per his metrics he got significantly overpaid for name recognition and for what the Eagles think he could possibly be with them. All were factual statements, but it is what it is at this point. There is a reason the Giants didn't even offer him at all and turned around and paid for Singletary.

Pretty simple.

"He was overpaid"  - Obviously your opinion.  Not a fact.  I'm guessing that the front offices that were offering Saquon likely disagreed with your opinion...seeing as how they actually paid the guy.
"He got overpaid because of name recognition"  - Obviously another opinion.  Not a fact (unless you can show where the Eagles front office stated this?)
"He got paid because of what the Eagles think he could possibly be with them"  - Bingo, your first factual statement.

My point was simply- your opinions don't set the market for RBs.  The market for RBs sets the market for RBs.  It's pretty straightforward.  And- it's ok to have been wrong about the fact that the guy got paid, when in you and many others opinions here didn't think he would. 

As to my opinion surrounding these facts- it's my opinion that Saquon's metrics were obviously down because he was coming off major injury and running behind a historically bad OL and accompanied by a historically bad QB situation last year.  My opinion is the Eagles (and Texans and possible others) front office saw this as an opportunity to significantly upgrade their team at a reasonable total cost, cap wise.  And, finally, I predict if Saquon can continue to recover from his injury and see some daylight in front of him, those silly metrics will improve significantly.  I just hope that doesn't lead to the Eagles squashing us or making any kind of deep run into the playoffs. 

I'm not going to apologize for being one of this guy's biggest fans.  He puts his nose down, works his ass off, does everything his coach tells him to do, is a community leader, a team captain, worked his way back from major injury, and hasn't complained about the ridiculously awful situation he was drafted into and the surrounding lack of talent he's endured for years- when he absolutely could have.  And as far as contracts- he placed huge bets on himself....and won.  I respect that.  I wish him the best.

And, finally- I personally 100% agree with the move by Schoen to move on- I think it's a case of win-win for both parties.  Saquon absolutely deserves a chance to live up to his potential somewhere else and the Giants, with DJ's contract, simply couldn't justify paying them both top shelf (for their position) money.

If you voted for option 1 , your fanhood is in question

Sorry but not is not loyalty

Last option. Screw him. Loved him when he was here, but he's dead to me now.

I route for the laundry & the team on the front of the uniform rather than the name on the back of the uniform.

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