I won't be there this week (still on crutches). I hope to be there next week, assuming I have recovered enough (I am in the process of weaning off crutches and starting to walk on foot). In any event, I will post reports and tweets from day one here, until I can make it to camp.
Eluemunor is starting camp at RT
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Quote from: Jclayton92 on July 24, 2024, 10:19:20 AMEluemunor is starting camp at RT
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Smart move. If Neal comes back, El took some snaps at RT. If Neal doesn't get back, the El is right where he needs to be.
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 24, 2024, 10:10:04 AMI won't be there this week (still on crutches). I hope to be there next week, assuming I have recovered enough (I am in the process of weaning off crutches and starting to walk on foot). In any event, I will post reports and tweets from day one here, until I can make it to camp.
Mighty,
You didn't put yourself on the PUP list? Need you back, Rich; at full strength. :Giants:
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Quote from: MightyGiants on July 24, 2024, 10:26:18 AMSmart move. If Neal comes back, El took some snaps at RT. If Neal doesn't get back, the El is right where he needs to be.
Smart move, but their only move. The line is still untrustworthy and injuries will wipe them out here.
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Hard to imagine when Neal returns that he's good enough to move El off of RT. Unless Carmen is an actual wizard, I think Neal should start getting some work at guard. He wants to make this team he's gonna need to be versatile and who knows maybe he's not a complete disaster as a guard if they give him a shot there.
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Establish the starting lineup asap and give them a good amount of reps.
Stinnie at LG feels fine given AT at LT.
Dabs said in HKs that Runyan offers versatility at Center which is great.
I am extremely disappointed that Eze and McKethan appear to have been wasted draft picks as they have hardly developed.
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Quote from: Philosophers on July 24, 2024, 10:57:26 AMEstablish the starting lineup asap and give them a good amount of reps.
Stinnie at LG feels fine given AT at LT.
Dabs said in HKs that Runyan offers versatility at Center which is great.
I am extremely disappointed that Eze and McKethan appear to have been wasted draft picks as they have hardly developed.
I believe that was Carmen, not Dabs
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Daniel Jones went 8/14 in practice 1. Essentially everything within 8 yards outside of rollouts & Malik Nabers drop.
Drew Lock 5/8 with a tipped up INT by Boogie Basham. Only pass downfield was a great catch by Lawrence Cager but out of bounds
Bobby Skinner
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Giants Training Camp Day 1 thoughts
•Jermaine Eluemunor leaving practice while Evan Neal is on PUP sucks. Need him healthy no matter what happens with Neal
•Defense lived out of 2-high
•Offense was quick design to Wan'Dale Robinson or check down to the RB outside of a a few plays
•lots of motion in backfield or 12P. Script felt repetitive
•Liked Dyontae Johnson at LB & even got some 1st team reps
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I guess we can now confirm Daniel Jones was ready for camp.
Check downs. My two least favorite words.
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Quick thoughts on the #Giants first training camp practice. Stay tuned to
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- Daniel Jones received his full medical clearance and participated fully. Impressive, considering he's only eight months removed from ACL surgery. He took every first-team rep (as Brian Daboll said he would). That's the good. The bad: He looked very rusty. He misfired on several passes and was a touch slow on his progressions. He did move well within the pocket. I had him 7 of 12 passing, but only one of those completions was beyond 3-5 yards of the LOS.
- Daboll & Joe Schoen spoke before practice. Among the newsworthy items was that Jermaine Eluemunor would play RT with Evan Neal on PUP. This is surprising considering Eluemunor played G throughout OTAs & minicamp. Schoen said Neal should be back soon, so I'm not sure why you move Eluemunor over unless you're planning on keeping him there. At least that was the thought ... until Eluemunor went down. Looked like he hurt his midsection after taking an elbow from Dexter Lawrence. Not ideal. As Jones said himself: "The health of (the offensive line) can help everyone." The Giants cannot afford a repeat of last year where their front five was borderline unplayable.
- Greg Van Roten visited, but didn't sign (yet). I'm not sure why Justin Pugh isn't in training camp considering his G/T versatility. He's still a solid player.
- The starting OL before Eluemunor went down, from left to right: Andrew Thomas, Aaron Stinnie (not stinkie -- sorry for that typo earlier), John Michael Schmitz, Jon Runyan, Eluemunor. Josh Ezeudu replaced Eluemunor after his injury. Kayvon Thibodeaux beat him for a sack on his second rep of team drills.
- The Athletic's
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asked what I felt was the best question of Schoen's presser: Will Jones' injury guarantee come into play at all this year? We've seen that throughout the league in recent years (Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo, Russell Wilson). Essentially teams don't want to risk being on the hook for a ton of money if a player they want to move on from goes down, so they bench him to erase possibility of injury. Schoen didn't say no. Instead, he said they're taking things "day-by-day" and that would be a discussion for another time. Interesting.
- Wan'Dale Robinson caught all three of his targets from Jones. He's someone I'm sneaky high on this year. I believe he could be Jones' go-to, check down option.
- Linebacker-turned-safety-turned-linebacker Isaiah Simmons practiced with the cornerbacks on Wednesday. He could be an interesting option in jumbo nickel packages.
- There weren't many highlights. Lawrence Cager did make a very impressive catch for a touchdown down the left sideline. Drew Lock threw it. He could have a larger role than people expect this season after the retirement of Darren Waller. Boogie Basham had a pick-six on a tipped Lock pass, too.
- Rookie Malik Nabers dropped a potential 30-yard pass from Jones. The pass was a bit delayed and ball hung in the air.
- The Giants will have practices on Thursday and Friday, too, before Saturday's day off. An interesting wrinkle this summer: Daboll is only working his guys three straight days. The NFL allows four straight.
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Day 1 of camp is always motion, gadget, and short game so don't panic just yet.
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Art Stapleton
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One lineup surprise for me on Day 1 of Giants camp: rookie DT Elijah Chatman getting a chance to work in first-team rotation with Dexter Lawrence, Ryder Anderson and Rakeem Nunez-Roches.
DL coach Andre Patterson has said height is not a prerequisite for him: Chatman listed at 6-foot, 278 pounds, UDFA from SMU
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Chatman and Alex Johnson likely make the squad as UDFAs.
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Talking about scheme during the 1st practice at training camp is premature at best.
Heard the rookie MLB did well today.
It's that time of year again to remember our old friend.
All camp reports will be complied here
Go GIANTS!!!
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Just a thought I had this AM about camp injuries, and actually this is actually more of a question (to those members who have a better understanding of camp in general than I do) than a statement:
We see these reports of players heading off to the sidelines and guys spending the day with trainers etc a lot during camp, and naturally none of us ever like seeing that. Especially given the well entrenched narrative on this team that our guys are always hurt.
My question really is whether this stuff feels worse than it is during camp in general. I mean, a lot of these camp injuries seem minor enough that we might not even know about them if they happened during the season. Players constantly get various minor bumps and bruises during the season, and not only do most play through these, but many practice through them at least in limited format. I suspect many very minor things are not even reported. Or we may hear things like "player x was limited in practice today but is fully expected to play on Sunday", and we don't get too worried when we read that. However in camp, there is no upcoming game, and you just read things like "player x spent the day with trainers." You then start to worry if it's going to be some multi-week (or worse) thing.
Would you say it's possible that a lot of the camp injury stuff makes teams sound more significantly banged up than they actually are by regular season standards?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 26, 2024, 10:41:09 AMJust a thought I had this AM about camp injuries, and actually this is actually more of a question (to those members who have a better understanding of camp in general than I do) than a statement:
We see these reports of players heading off to the sidelines and guys spending the day with trainers etc a lot during camp, and naturally none of us ever like seeing that. Especially given the well entrenched narrative on this team that our guys are always hurt.
My question really is whether this stuff feels worse than it is during camp in general. I mean, a lot of these camp injuries seem minor enough that we might not even know about them if they happened during the season. Players constantly get various minor bumps and bruises during the season, and not only do most play through these, but many practice through them at least in limited format. I suspect many very minor things are not even reported. Or we may hear things like "player x was limited in practice today but is fully expected to play on Sunday", and we don't get too worried when we read that. However in camp, there is no upcoming game, and you just read things like "player x spent the day with trainers." You then start to worry if it's going to be some multi-week (or worse) thing.
Would you say it's possible that a lot of the camp injury stuff makes teams sound more significantly banged up than they actually are by regular season standards?
I think that you need to view injuries in training camp through the lens of training camp. The roster is nearly doubled. Statistically you are going to have more guys banged up. On top of that, there are some who suggest there are some injuries that are more common during camp.
For me, the things I look for are:
How many start camp injured
Are the injuries concentrating in a position
Is the injured player missing (to them) valuable practice time
Are the injuries the avoidable soft tissue type or are they the result of misfortune and impacts
Are the injuries concentrated by type- you never want to see a concentration of, say hamstring injuries.
Are the injuries building up to the point that it's impacting practice?
:knockONwood: Right now, the injuries are not too bad. Theo's injury was a bit of a concern, but the rest seem on par for this point in camp.
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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 26, 2024, 10:41:09 AMJust a thought I had this AM about camp injuries
DB: You're correct to raise this, IMO. Never take one of these lightly.
Some of these showing up this early are meaningless; others are harbingers of consistent problems.
I don't recall enough about his college career to make an educated guess; I'm just crossing my fingers.
Bob
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Quote from: MightyGiants on July 26, 2024, 11:11:46 AMMaybe a confusion? The routes seem very close together
Still, Hyatt just misses hauling in a pass along the sidelines after having a step against Tre Hawkins III.
Rich: IMO it's always a "win" for the team when this occurs at practice. One of them ran the wrong route.
We've got enough problems with Daboll's complicated offense without having guys running wrong routes.
In this particular case we can be certain it won't happen to either of those two guys again, IMO.
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on July 26, 2024, 11:18:20 AMRich: IMO it's always a "win" for the team when this occurs at practice. One of them ran the wrong route.
We've got enough problems with Daboll's complicated offense without having guys running wrong routes.
In this particular case we can be certain it won't happen to either of those two guys again, IMO.
Bob
The silver lining being if you are going to screw up like this, best to do it early in camp
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Quote from: MightyGiants on July 26, 2024, 10:47:48 AMI think that you need to view injuries in training camp through the lens of training camp. The roster is nearly doubled. Statistically you are going to have more guys banged up. On top of that, there are some who suggest there are some injuries that are more common during camp.
For me, the things I look for are:
How many start camp injured
Are the injuries concentrating in a position
Is the injured player missing (to them) valuable practice time
Are the injuries the avoidable soft tissue type or are they the result of misfortune and impacts
Are the injuries concentrated by type- you never want to see a concentration of, say hamstring injuries.
Are the injuries building up to the point that it's impacting practice?
:knockONwood: Right now, the injuries are not too bad. Theo's injury was a bit of a concern, but the rest seem on par for this point in camp.
This is a good discussion and I agree with pretty much everything you've written, Rich
@MightyGiants , regarding viewing player health, wellness & safety on the field as they transition from being "in-shape" to being in "football season-conditioned." Of course, the other element is managing the heat related injuries under warmer summer conditions.
So there's many different variables to account for when ramping up into game shape. That's why when you brought up the Rams' method for managing players, using evaluation criteria carefully developed to establish a player's risk profile, and his individually tailored mitigation plan, it received favorable reviews and it surprises me that it hasn't been benchmarked as a football industry best practice.
But training camp is supposed to not only mitigate instances and or severity of injuries, it should serve to build and ramp up the players to be ready when the bullets fly for real when Week #1 of the new NFL season begins. For quite some time, it has failed in its endeavor to deliver on that account. It would be a welcome change to celebrate the Centennial of Giants' Professional Football by starting the season with a big win.
Peace!
Bobby Skinner
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Giants Training Camp Day 3 thoughts
•Really rough day for Daniel Jones. Threw 6 times 20+ yards & all but one nice Malik Nabers throw was a miss. Some egregious. Plus an INT
•Flip side to that is defense is letting guys get open downfield. They were aggressive in their rush today
•Brian Burns had a lot of good plays & one nasty one on Andrew Thomas
•Jermaine Eluemunor practicing in 11 on 11
•Dante Miller living up to Turbo nickname. Deep TD on a 50+ yard wheel route & another beating the blitz
•Dane Belton with a sick INT to end practice undercutting a Malik Nabers back shoulder
•offense ran a lot of 4 WR & defense 6 DB's with Andru Phillips
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Quote from: MightyGiants on July 26, 2024, 11:09:02 AMhttps://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1816852986125033599
This hurts my heart. We finally have weapons who pose matchup problems but still don't have a quarterback who can take advantage of it.
Sounds like Jones has struggled in two out of the three days.
I don't read into this much at all. The correlation between this stuff and regular season play is at best murky. We heard all last summer how awesome he looked in camp and then he was a total disaster in the regular season. Plus in 2022 I don't recall him having an amazing camp, and that was his best season as a pro by far.
I'm just not convinced any of this camp stuff means a great deal, good or bad.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 26, 2024, 12:08:52 PMSounds like Jones has struggled in two out of the three days.
I don't read into this much at all. The correlation between this stuff and regular season play is at best murky. We heard all last summer how awesome he looked in camp and then he was a total disaster in the regular season. Plus in 2022 I don't recall him having an amazing camp, and that was his best season as a pro by far.
I'm just not convinced any of this camp stuff means a great deal, good or bad.
If he were a rookie I wouldn't care but he has an established track record of being consistently inconsistent. He used to get a pass because of the line and receivers but his excuses are running out.
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 26, 2024, 10:47:48 AMI think that you need to view injuries in training camp through the lens of training camp. The roster is nearly doubled. Statistically you are going to have more guys banged up. On top of that, there are some who suggest there are some injuries that are more common during camp.
For me, the things I look for are:
How many start camp injured
Are the injuries concentrating in a position
Is the injured player missing (to them) valuable practice time
Are the injuries the avoidable soft tissue type or are they the result of misfortune and impacts
Are the injuries concentrated by type- you never want to see a concentration of, say hamstring injuries.
Are the injuries building up to the point that it's impacting practice?
:knockONwood: Right now, the injuries are not too bad. Theo's injury was a bit of a concern, but the rest seem on par for this point in camp.
Excellent summation Rich. Gave me some stuff to think about. Thanks.
Quote from: madbadger on July 26, 2024, 12:12:42 PMIf he were a rookie I wouldn't care but he has an established track record of being consistently inconsistent. He used to get a pass because of the line and receivers but his excuses are running out.
Totally fair point, and I agree with it, although it only matters if he sucks in the regular season, and past evidence seems to suggest the correlation between camp and the regular season is not remotely meaningful.
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I couldn't care less how the QB does, good or bad in these sessions. They have no correlation to game play. But I do feel once he does play in games it will be an adjustment after that injury. We have to see how that transpires.
Quote from: katkavage on July 26, 2024, 03:09:49 PMI couldn't care less how the QB does, good or bad in these sessions. They have no correlation to game play. But I do feel once he does play in games it will be an adjustment after that injury. We have to see how that transpires.
I agree on both counts. 2022 DJ didn't look that good and had a good season. 2023 DJ looked great but had a rough season (what there was of it). As you said, DJ needs to get the feel for his body back, after a couple of serious injuries (his neck and his ACL)
That said, his play is TBD
There is no way I am going to play this "he looked great today on deep balls, we can count on him" or "he looked like crap, we should have drafted .....". Body of work is not one day or another. It's a compilation.
Takeaways through 3 practices:
1. Jones never goes deep, he needs reps and has to get those reps in. Not gonna be good if you don't ever do something unless you practice. Him planting his foot and driving is sus currently deep.
2. Dyontae Johnson will be 3rd down mike 2 with McFadden getting 1st/2nd down reps.
3. They are giving Hyatt every chance to be WR2
4. Belton is going to force his way on the field with his turnovers
5. We have got to find someone that isn't Ryder Anderson, hopefully that's Chatman or Phillips.
6. I'm comfortably optimistic on the line. I think Eluemunor starts RT, so we need a LG and I think that person isn't on the roster currently.
7. Singletary is nice, I think Tracy is easy #2 and Miller may gets looks as 3rd down.
8. Manhertz is a dawg, low key great signing. Don't be surprised if he's TE1 and Cager #2 until Theo is back. Bellinger isn't the answer post eye.
9.The pass rush is legit, now we need some of these cbs to stand out. Nick McCloud will likely end up being CB2 because Flott isn't looking good, though he never has practiced well. Why is Holmes practicing on the boundary? My starting Dbs Pinnock and Belton with Banks, McCloud on the boundary, and Simmons/Phillips at nickel. Need more help.
10. JMS seems different right now. The kid faces Lawrence daily, how is he not getting better, I think he is hopefully.
11. I don't think Slayton sees the final 53. Let the young guys play and get reps everywhere.
12. Banks is an unknown to me still going into year 2.
13. Need to find a way to get Ojulari, KT, and Burns on the field together.
Young guys that have made the most of their time Dyontae Johnson, Alex Johnson, Chatman, and Dennis Houston.
Also a crime that G Owens is 3rd team, that kid is everywhere and when we get down to the 4 deep at safety he would easily be my safety #4.
Thanks for starting this Chris. Mojo lives!
Lineal Joseph
Van Roten
And one of the CBs
should be easy to get with the waller money and I think it's necessary at this point. Like why wait?
Bobby and Justin have got me worried already about Jones. Missing some throws all over rhe field and not having enough arm strength to make elite plays.
They're saying this has to be DJ's bottom...unacceptable what they've seen.
Yikes. :doh:
Quote from: spiderblue43 on July 26, 2024, 05:01:26 PMBobby and Justin have got me worried already about Jones. Missing some throws all over rhe field and not having enough arm strength to make elite plays.
They're saying this has to be DJ's bottom...unacceptable what they've seen.
Yikes. :doh:
Jeez... doesn't sound good. If this is his "bottom" is that to say he has looked even worse this week than he looked on the field last year?
Has Lock at least looked better?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 26, 2024, 05:11:59 PMJeez... doesn't sound good. If this is his "bottom" is that to say he has looked even worse this week than he looked on the field last year?
Has Lock at least looked better?
Bobby has not mentioned Lock much except he threw the beautiful bomb to Turbo. They said Giants tried to have Jones roll out and throw back against the grain..should been an easy td..but DJ couldn't do it.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 26, 2024, 05:11:59 PMJeez... doesn't sound good. If this is his "bottom" is that to say he has looked even worse this week than he looked on the field last year?
Has Lock at least looked better?
Perspective check ...
This is Jones' second day of official training camp back after coming back from a serious injury and rehab. Is everyone REALLY expecting him to light the skies like Joe "Hit Him 12 inches in front of him in stride" Montana?
He's been driving a Yugo since 2019 and has finally been upgraded to a Rolls-Royce La Rose Noire Droptail; give him time to adjust to his repaired ACL as well as the fix in his neck!
He's on the field ahead of schedule and, if they evaluate issues in his execution as a cause of hurrying back too soon, you'll probably get to see more of Lock.
But, again, this goes back to Rich's
@MightyGiants point about the medical staff clearing their QB too soon if he is still ailing from the recovery process.
Hopefully, it's nothing more than additional practice time with Nabers and Hyatt, more film review and adjustments to take into tomorrow's practice plans.
Peace!
Kart,
Just relaying what they saw. True, he maybe be still recovering in his fundamentals,that's fair. But this has nothing to do with his wrs-he's not looked good. Has to pick it up if this offense is to get out of the doldrums.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on July 26, 2024, 05:01:26 PMBobby and Justin have got me worried already about Jones. Missing some throws all over rhe field and not having enough arm strength to make elite plays.
They're saying this has to be DJ's bottom...unacceptable what they've seen.
Yikes. :doh:
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 26, 2024, 05:11:59 PMJeez... doesn't sound good. If this is his "bottom" is that to say he has looked even worse this week than he looked on the field last year?
Has Lock at least looked better?
Guys,
Jones just had his first 3 days of 11 on 11 in nearly a year. Do you think you might be jumping the gun a bit in terms of your reactions? I appreciate Bobby and Justin are all over Daniel Jones. I also appreciate that while training camp is fun to attend it's fun to get those first glimpses of the team. It's still just that, a glimpse.
That said, when the throws count, DJ needs to hit that throw to WonDale. There are only a handful of plays every game that make or break, and a wide-open WR deep is one of them.
https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1817160106053640666?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
I know it's easy to pile on Daniel Jones after the first three practices. But let's put this into perspective: Jones tore his ACL in November. Day 1 of camp was his first action in 11/11 since then + he has not missed a first team rep so far in camp. Eight months!
Yeah, he's missed some throws. He's hit some, too.
Jones spent time after practice with Malik Nabers yesterday. He's obviously trying to sync up his timing to the real speed against 11/11.
And Brian Daboll knows it, which is why the Giants are not doing any 7/7 in camp. Jones needs the reps in full team drills.
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 27, 2024, 06:29:32 AMGuys,
Jones just had his first 3 days of 11 on 11 in nearly a year. Do you think you might be jumping the gun a bit in terms of your reactions? I appreciate Bobby and Justin are all over Daniel Jones. I also appreciate that while training camp is fun to attend it's fun to get those first glimpses of the team. It's still just that, a glimpse.
That said, when the throws count, DJ needs to hit that throw to WonDale. There are only a handful of plays every game that make or break, and a wide-open WR deep is one of them.
Rich and
@kartanoman: In addition to the issues you've raised, I want to say...
Although Skinner and Penik do a top-notch job analyzing line play (which is really all about technique in NFL) there are a lot more things to consider when watching skill players during practice.
Skill guys have a lot more to work on (that's why they get paid a lot more than linemen). So while observations of commentators are valid, legit and accurate, it's far less clear what the skill players are working on (or concentrating on) at practice and during preseason games, so IMO the observations should be heard/received in that context. Bob
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 27, 2024, 06:29:32 AMGuys,
Jones just had his first 3 days of 11 on 11 in nearly a year. Do you think you might be jumping the gun a bit in terms of your reactions? I appreciate Bobby and Justin are all over Daniel Jones. I also appreciate that while training camp is fun to attend it's fun to get those first glimpses of the team. It's still just that, a glimpse.
That said, when the throws count, DJ needs to hit that throw to WonDale. There are only a handful of plays every game that make or break, and a wide-open WR deep is one of them.
I hear you Rich, and I totally agree in principle. As I've said before I'm not a big believer in training camp performance having a great deal of predictive value of how one will look in the regular season that year.
That said, when Jones plays badly in the regular season the narrative from many is often that he wasn't protected. Since he can't be touched in camp, that narrative can't apply, and it's really just a matter of him being able to make throws that are on target and don't get picked. He doesn't have to worry about getting hit.
So while I agree three days of camp are pretty irrelevant (and if my understanding is accurate he was only bad in two of them), I'd feel better if he started to play little better than this when things are this easy for him.
You often hear people say "give any NFL QB time and he can pick any defense apart." Effectively, that is what he has been given in these types of camp situations. So I'd like to see something closer to the above from him than him throwing it all over the place and right into defenders' hands, which is what seems to be going on so far.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 27, 2024, 08:29:37 AMI hear you Rich, and I totally agree in principle. As I've said before I'm not a big believer in training camp performance having a great deal of predictive value of how one will look in the regular season that year.
That said, when Jones plays badly in the regular season the narrative from many is often that he wasn't protected. Since he can't be touched in camp, that narrative can't apply, and it's really just a matter of him being able to make throws that are on target and don't get picked. He doesn't have to worry about getting hit.
So while I agree three days of camp are pretty irrelevant (and if my understanding is accurate he was only bad in two of them), I'd feel better if he started to play little better than this when things are this easy for him.
You often hear people say "give any NFL QB time and he can pick any defense apart." Effectively, that is what he has been given in these types of camp situations. So I'd like to see something closer to the above from him than him throwing it all over the place and right into defenders' hands, which is what seems to be going on so far.
DB: I think it's fair to complain about a QB's lack of accuracy and other technical stuff in analyzing his play at practice, but when talking about anything that involves his interaction with other skill players, it's necessary to be careful to include the possibility that someone else made a mistake which caused the QB to look bad. Bob
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 27, 2024, 08:29:37 AMI hear you Rich, and I totally agree in principle. As I've said before I'm not a big believer in training camp performance having a great deal of predictive value of how one will look in the regular season that year.
That said, when Jones plays badly in the regular season the narrative from many is often that he wasn't protected. Since he can't be touched in camp, that narrative can't apply, and it's really just a matter of him being able to make throws that are on target and don't get picked. He doesn't have to worry about getting hit.
So while I agree three days of camp are pretty irrelevant (and if my understanding is accurate he was only bad in two of them), I'd feel better if he started to play little better than this when things are this easy for him.
You often hear people say "give any NFL QB time and he can pick any defense apart." Effectively, that is what he has been given in these types of camp situations. So I'd like to see something closer to the above from him than him throwing it all over the place and right into defenders' hands, which is what seems to be going on so far.
Jeff,
The first two days they did red zone. Yesterday was the first time they were working deep. I have been attending training camp since back when the Giants were playing at Pace University. QBs always have misses in camp. If QBs played their best in practice, especially early practice, they wouldn't need to practice.
Quote from: Bob In PA on July 27, 2024, 08:38:45 AMDB: I think it's fair to complain about a QB's lack of accuracy and other technical stuff in analyzing his play at practice, but when talking about anything that involves his interaction with other skill players, it's necessary to be careful to include the possibility that someone else made a mistake which caused the QB to look bad. Bob
Bob,
Early in camp, defenses almost always lead the offense. Offenses require coordination which takes time to develop
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 27, 2024, 08:40:09 AMJeff,
The first two days they did red zone. Yesterday was the first time they were working deep. I have been attending training camp since back when the Giants were playing at Pace University. QBs always have misses in camp. If QBs played their best in practice, especially early practice, they wouldn't need to practice.
Fair enough Rich. I agree two are three days are not meaningful. I expect him to start looking better soon.
If we're having this same conversation a week from now (which to be clear I highly doubt we will be), I'll be a bit less comfortable then. I have to imagine the coaches will be too.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on July 26, 2024, 06:38:53 PMKart,
Just relaying what they saw. True, he maybe be still recovering in his fundamentals,that's fair. But this has nothing to do with his wrs-he's not looked good. Has to pick it up if this offense is to get out of the doldrums.
I agree with you in that he must pick it up with each passing day. One practice, one review of the film, take notes, make adjustments, review next practice agenda, rinse and repeat.
If there are fundamental flaws that put a limit on his game, and the Giants' offense, and those are on full display in all the practices, then yes, it represents an issue.
In case you, and everyone else missed my point of Joe Montana and "12 inches in front of the receiver," I was referring to a clip from the program "A Football Life" on the late Bill Walsh and how his meticulous coaching and driving his points home through obsessive repetition, at times, made Joe Montana what he became. That segment in the program reminded me of all of us here getting on Danny Dimes' case.
It took Joe Montana a while before he hit his receiver in stride; the ball landing 12 inches in front of the receiver so he could catch it in full stride. Ironically, Joe and Jerry Rice did it to perfection in 1988, Week #2, in Giants Stadium, to shock the Giants, and all of us as well.
Peace!
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I know it's easy to pile on Daniel Jones after the first three practices. But let's put this into perspective: Jones tore his ACL in November. Day 1 of camp was his first action in 11/11 since then + he has not missed a first team rep so far in camp. Eight months!
Yeah, he's missed some throws. He's hit some, too.
Jones spent time after practice with Malik Nabers yesterday. He's obviously trying to sync up his timing to the real speed against 11/11.
And Brian Daboll knows it, which is why the Giants are not doing any 7/7 in camp. Jones needs the reps in full team drills.
One of the most encouraging things, for me, is that Daboll seems to have learned from last year's pre-season and is running a very different camp.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on July 27, 2024, 12:00:04 PMOne of the most encouraging things, for me, is that Daboll seems to have learned from last year's pre-season and is running a very different camp.
Good point, lots of 11 on 11 and very little 7 on 7
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1817557818959929449
https://x.com/TalkinGiants/status/1817557729981907364
https://x.com/MattCitak/status/1817556895650951619
https://x.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1817558358653563045
https://x.com/DDuggan21/status/1817558723016941658
People, even smart football people, see what they want to see based on what they are looking at. The focus is on Jones and he missed some deep throws in preseason camp. So what? Has any pundit raised an eyebrow that WRs are consistently running free behind our defense? No. They see what they want to see. Banks has a bad day and they say is is showing some rust and learning and adjusting to Nabors. Apparently Jones is supposed to be locked in on Boykin and Nabors 40-50 yards downfield but the CBs and safeties are getting a pass. Nabors calls his own numbers and catches a deep ball and he is a "dog". Who threw the pass I wonder?
Its been 3 days. Deep breaths everyone. Deep breaths.
confirmation bias, people's tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with their existing beliefs. This biased approach to decision making is largely unintentional, and it results in a person ignoring information that is inconsistent with their beliefs.
https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1817561042928488669
Good news in general on some of these camp injuries (Theo especially but also Nubin).
If Daboll couldn't even say whether Neal would be ready for week one, the Giants really should just commit to Eleumenor now as the RT and plan on him starting. Neal has been way too bad to consider putting him in in week one, even if he's cleared, if he has missed most or all of camp. That seems crazy to me. I'm assuming it won't happen but it better not.
Any reports on CB 2 & 3? All the focus seems to be on Banks and the Safeties.
Quote from: Ed Vette on July 28, 2024, 10:06:12 AMAny reports on CB 2 & 3? All the focus seems to be on Banks and the Safeties.
Dan Duggan
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The Giants are signing CB Breon Borders, who had a tryout on Friday, per source. He's appeared in 32 career games while spending time on 12 teams in his seven-year career. Those stops included Buffalo with Joe Schoen and Tennessee with Shane Bowen.
This is the corresponding move for the Nathan Rourke release.
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Quote from: bamagiantfan on July 28, 2024, 09:56:24 AMPeople, even smart football people, see what they want to see based on what they are looking at. The focus is on Jones and he missed some deep throws in preseason camp. So what? Has any pundit raised an eyebrow that WRs are consistently running free behind our defense? No. They see what they want to see. Banks has a bad day and they say is is showing some rust and learning and adjusting to Nabors. Apparently Jones is supposed to be locked in on Boykin and Nabors 40-50 yards downfield but the CBs and safeties are getting a pass. Nabors calls his own numbers and catches a deep ball and he is a "dog". Who threw the pass I wonder?
Its been 3 days. Deep breaths everyone. Deep breaths.
Same thing happened last year but the opposite.
https://x.com/JustinPenik/status/1817565700862480602
https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1817566449444987223
https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1817566055818047759
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 28, 2024, 10:04:49 AMGood news in general on some of these camp injuries (Theo especially but also Nubin).
If Daboll couldn't even say whether Neal would be ready for week one, the Giants really should just commit to Eleumenor now as the RT and plan on him starting. Neal has been way too bad to consider putting him in in week one, even if he's cleared, if he has missed most or all of camp. That seems crazy to me. I'm assuming it won't happen but it better not.
With game 1 more than 30 days away and almost all of offseason missed, Dabs still can't say Neal will be ready or say exactly what his injury is?
Why does this sound (at least to me) like some kind of emotional problem?
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 28, 2024, 10:08:15 AMDan Duggan
@DDuggan21
The Giants are signing CB Breon Borders, who had a tryout on Friday, per source. He's appeared in 32 career games while spending time on 12 teams in his seven-year career. Those stops included Buffalo with Joe Schoen and Tennessee with Shane Bowen.
This is the corresponding move for the Nathan Rourke release.
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12 teams in 7 years. Don't we have some of that Barkley cap space available, so we can shop outside of the bargain bin?
https://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1817571435126071358
https://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1817570688158613601
https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1817570620458041609
https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1817570392095302128
https://x.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1817570334180032904
https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1817575437914050747
https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1817578444676612210
https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1817579652661260545
Great looking throw to Nabers
https://x.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1817582282066333697
https://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1817583375403950527
https://x.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1817583541410308124
Is it possible that the neck injuries and his ability to plant his right foot and drive after the ACL have taken a toll on Jones' deep throws? Just far too many misses falling short. I know its early but this is somewhat concerning for me and I don't buy into the muscle bound theory. He's far from that.
Definitely something to keep an eye on.
https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1817583611824246785
https://x.com/DDuggan21/status/1817585332667244719
https://x.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1817585251633565804
Quote from: Ed Vette on July 28, 2024, 11:34:10 AMIs it possible that the neck injuries and his ability to plant his right foot and drive after the ACL have taken a toll on Jones' deep throws? Just far too many misses falling short. I know its early but this is somewhat concerning for me and I don't buy into the muscle bound theory. He's far from that.
Definitely something to keep an eye on.
I am not precluding injury issues. Although, when it comes to the deep ball, QBs need to lead the receiver (throw the ball where the WR will be, not where he is). I imagine it might take Jones a little bit to get used to the speed he has in Hyatt and Nabers.
Bobby Skinner
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Giants Training Camp Day 4 thoughts
•Offense continues to push the ball down the field. 5 of Daniel Jones' 16 throws were deep. Started slow with under throws of Malik Nabers & finished with 2 strikes to Nabers & Jalin Hyatt
•Malik Nabers is just always open
•Good to have Theo Johnson back. His first play with a nice catch over middle
•Giants did a lot of OL rotation with JMS out including Runyan at Center
•Rakeem Nunez-Roches is making a ton of plays in the run game
•Defense matched TE sets with Isaiah Simmons at nickel
•Ovie Oghoufo made some plays on 3rd team
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Quote from: MightyGiants on July 28, 2024, 11:11:25 AMhttps://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1817578444676612210
Curious the foot he plants with to throw deep, is that the ACL leg? Just curious if he's hesitant to put significant weight on it and that's why he keeps coming up short?
https://x.com/DDuggan21/status/1817589130282377550
https://x.com/TalkinGiants/status/1817588704333939052
https://x.com/GiantInsider/status/1817591386709078185
https://x.com/MattCitak/status/1817591616603148744
Quote from: Ed Vette on July 28, 2024, 11:34:10 AMIs it possible that the neck injuries and his ability to plant his right foot and drive after the ACL have taken a toll on Jones' deep throws? Just far too many misses falling short. I know its early but this is somewhat concerning for me and I don't buy into the muscle bound theory. He's far from that.
Definitely something to keep an eye on.
Didn't see this initially but thats what I thinking as well regarding him planting with the ACL.
Quote from: Ed Vette on July 28, 2024, 11:34:10 AMIs it possible that the neck injuries and his ability to plant his right foot and drive after the ACL have taken a toll on Jones' deep throws? Just far too many misses falling short. I know its early but this is somewhat concerning for me and I don't buy into the muscle bound theory. He's far from that.
Definitely something to keep an eye on.
You would think if Jones were still so unhealthy that he can't make fairly routine, deep throws without any threat of being hit, he would not be practicing. As far as I can recall (and I could be remembering wrong), Barkley didn't play at all in camp or preseason games in 2021. The fact that Jones is fully participating would suggest the doctors are comfortable with his health at this point. In fact the narrative this whole season has been that his recovery has been going well and that if anything was ahead of schedule.
Sounds more like he just had a couple of very rough practices and that he's doing better today.
I think it's worth remembering when you are dealing with throws of over 40 yards
Quarterbacks had a completion percentage of 57.3 when throwing for >20 yards all-time.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/quarterbacks-completion-percentage-over-20-yards
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 28, 2024, 11:34:26 AMhttps://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1817583611824246785
It was a competition but Hyatt was wide open and with a well thrown ball he walks in for an easy touchdown. I'm glad he was able to connect but that wasn't a good throw.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 28, 2024, 10:04:49 AMGood news in general on some of these camp injuries (Theo especially but also Nubin).
If Daboll couldn't even say whether Neal would be ready for week one, the Giants really should just commit to Eleumenor now as the RT and plan on him starting. Neal has been way too bad to consider putting him in in week one, even if he's cleared, if he has missed most or all of camp. That seems crazy to me. I'm assuming it won't happen but it better not.
Schmitz is a little worrying, as he needs all the work he can get after his disappointing rookie season.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on July 28, 2024, 02:04:12 PMSchmitz is a little worrying, as he needs all the work he can get after his disappointing rookie season.
I would fully agree. He's definitely not a guy you feel comfortable about missing any of camp.
Seems Runyan is capable of playing center in a pinch. Bricilo mentioned that to Barkley in his chat with him at the PSU pro day on HK. Obviously that is not what anyone wants though.
Still, it's good to have contingency plans for worst case scenarios.
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 28, 2024, 11:43:19 AMI am not precluding injury issues. Although, when it comes to the deep ball, QBs need to lead the receiver (throw the ball where the WR will be, not where he is). I imagine it might take Jones a little bit to get used to the speed he has in Hyatt and Nabers.
This, IMO.
And it is just his 4th day in over a year so it will take a little time to get all the rust off.
Art Stapleton
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Giants have pushed the ball downfield so far in camp. Daniel Jones has missed some: Wan'Dale Robinson too far on Day 3, underthrew Malik Nabers and Jalin Hyatt today.
But when Jones has gotten the ball out there, Nabers and Hyatt have made plays for him - including both today.
Have to think Daboll calling plays is a big part of this, and Giants have to get Jones to, as Nabers said yesterday, just throw it.
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• Dru Phillips emerging. The third-round rookie is now seriously battling Nick McCloud for the starting slot cornerback job. Phillips got lots of first-team reps Sunday, as McCloud worked exclusively with the backups. While Belton is far ahead of Nubin the free safety competition, slot corner is much closer battle between Phillips and McCloud — at least based on the first-team reps.
Shane Bowen also continues to give Isaiah Simmons — an intriguing slot piece — some first-team work. He is a rangy, athletic player with plenty of versatility as an inside linebacker/safety type.
• Deonte Banks entirely with starters. Tre Hawkins had gotten a good chunk of Banks' first-team reps in the first three practices — apparently because the Giants are trying to manage Banks' workload. That wasn't the case Sunday. Banks got all the first-team reps, with no breathers.
Hawkins was the No. 2 outside corner — which surely will be his role — opposite Darnay Holmes. Expect Hawkins to be the Giants' top backup outside corner, since Holmes is transitioning from slot corner, where the Giants replaced him with Flott last season.
https://www.nj.com/giants/2024/07/giants-training-camp-takeaways-daniel-jones-connects-with-malik-nabers-but-also-misses-often-another-offensive-line-injury-slot-corner-emerges.html
Art Stapleton
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I've mentioned Daniel Jones' inconsistency so far with the deep ball, as have others. One thing I am impressed with, and surprised by: when Jones has to run, there is no hesitation at all. Sure, some of that comes from wearing the red jersey and knowing he's not going to get hit.
But he doesn't appear to have lost anything as a runner.
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Some #Giants100 lineup notes from Day 4 of training camp:
* Rookie Dru Phillips got his first extended looks at nickel corner with 1st team. Had been in with 1s in dime with Nick McCloud in the slot. Phillips had a PBU in breaking up screen to Wan'Dale Robinson
* Mentioned this as it happened: Jon Runyan took a few snaps at center with the 1s with JMS working back to full with a shoulder issue. Jimmy Morrissey and Austin Schlottmann also at C with 1s.
I would be surprised if Giants don't re-engage with G Greg Van Roten this week.
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* Dyontae Johnson has a skill set Shane Bowen can use. He has gotten some time next to Bobby Okereke. Can play in place of Bobby O and today took a few reps as a stand-up end/edge in a sub-package
* Giants using all of their TEs religiously. Theo Johnson is going to be a factor.
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* NYG have had four practices and not one 7-on-7 period. All 11-on-11, which is a change for Daboll this camp. Intention is get everyone reacting to the rush, the pocket, especially Daniel Jones, who had not done 11/11 since November.
https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1817647191072153740
Bobby Skinner
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Giants Training Camp Day 4 Write Up
"Offensive Line depth is still a cause for concern on this team and they need to establish backups just as much as starters. The Giants could still sign Greg Van Roten to start at Guard and give a call to Nick Gates to be the backup Center for the veteran minimum. Having Evan Neal, Aaron Stinnie & Nick Gates as clear backups at Tackle, Guard & Center would ease a lot of fans minds as well as not asking starters to move positions at a moments notice."
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1817640932789150137
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 28, 2024, 12:42:32 PMYou would think if Jones were still so unhealthy that he can't make fairly routine, deep throws without any threat of being hit, he would not be practicing. As far as I can recall (and I could be remembering wrong), Barkley didn't play at all in camp or preseason games in 2021. The fact that Jones is fully participating would suggest the doctors are comfortable with his health at this point. In fact the narrative this whole season has been that his recovery has been going well and that if anything was ahead of schedule.
Sounds more like he just had a couple of very rough practices and that he's doing better today.
That's not what I was referring to, Jeff. If the ACL injury caused weakness in that planting leg, it would cause inconsistency or even limit him on deep throws. It could be conditioning where it may take a year to come back to 100% strength or it can be permanent as it was with Barkley where his injury made him human. Btw, those deep throws are not routine passes. It's total body strength and flexibility, timing and proper angle of degree.
The muscle atrophy in a leg following ACL injury then surgery (plus micro fiber weakness) is not some regained 100% in one year or less as in DJ's case. I am sure a player's lower body/leg muscles involved in generating power for a throw are all affected to some extent including his good leg.
Quote from: Ed Vette on July 28, 2024, 04:19:57 PMThat's not what I was referring to, Jeff. If the ACL injury caused weakness in that planting leg, it would cause inconsistency or even limit him on deep throws. It could be conditioning where it may take a year to come back to 100% strength or it can be permanent as it was with Barkley where his injury made him human. Btw, those deep throws are not routine passes. It's total body strength and flexibility, timing and proper angle of degree.
I didn't say they were routine passes. I referred to them as fairly routine deep throws, meaning fairly routine as far as deep throws go. I fully understand that deep throws are broadly more difficult than short or intermediate throws.
In any event, it sounds like insiders present at camp that beat guys are talking to are saying he's "absolutely" healthy, and it also sounds like he did hit at least 2-3 deep throws today, so there may not be much to worry about here other than that he might just have been a little rusty the first few days.
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 28, 2024, 10:53:56 AMhttps://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1817570392095302128
https://x.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1817570334180032904
Rich: More Belton. Bob
I'm less concerned with a few underthrows in the first few practices and far more concerned that the OL is still in flux and appears far from "fixed". I've been saying all along, JMS at Center wasn't much better than Neal at RT but got far less attention. Now both aren't practicing and we're talking about who can move where and who can we sign.
Dammit! Can we PLEASE get this figured out?!
Quote from: Gman329 on July 29, 2024, 06:57:04 AMI'm less concerned with a few underthrows in the first few practices and far more concerned that the OL is still in flux and appears far from "fixed". I've been saying all along, JMS at Center wasn't much better than Neal at RT but got far less attention. Now both aren't practicing and we're talking about who can move where and who can we sign.
Dammit! Can we PLEASE get this figured out?!
JMS is currently banged up (shoulder). I think you could be right. JMS's struggles flew under the radar because everyone was focusing on the train wreck that was Neal
And I am live! Still on crutches but I can put some weight on my foot
If someone wants to post Tweets, I will be focused on the action
Waiting in line. Waiting for Bobby and Justin
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 29, 2024, 07:53:40 AMWaiting in line. Waiting for Bobby and Justin
You should have worn a red jersey! :P
Quote from: T200 on July 29, 2024, 08:12:10 AMYou should have worn a red jersey! :P
Tim: :ok: :ok: :ok:
Quote from: T200 on July 29, 2024, 08:12:10 AMYou should have worn a red jersey! :P
Hey, after being tackled by an Audi, people are nothing :D
They let us in early
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 29, 2024, 08:41:33 AMHey, after being tackled by an Audi, people are nothing :D
:funnypost:
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 29, 2024, 08:43:13 AMThey let us in early
...probably because they saw a decrepit old man somewhere out there, suffering in the sun... oh wait..
Have a great time, Rich! See if Ronnie Barnes can get you a scooter to make your life a little easier out there!
Seriously. No, seriously!
Peace!
way to rub some dirt on it and get back in the game, Rich. Get well soon. Thanks for all you do on this site. Go Giants.
Obviously will be interested in injuries especially Schmitz and Nubin
Dumpster Dan
Quote from: Dumpster Dan on July 29, 2024, 11:16:22 AMObviously will be interested in injuries especially Schmitz and Nubin
Dumpster Dan
JMS at least put on his shoulder pads. Neal didn't and isn't exactly carrying himself like a man who will be back on the field soon.
I don't have a lot of observations because, frankly, I wasn't as well prepared as I normally am. I haven't memorized a lot of numbers, didn't have my binoculars, and didn't have a printed roster.
I was watching Elumenor, and it was so nice to see a competent RT play.
There is not a lot of standing around like in previous training camps, players were almost always doing something.
Turbo Miller really impressed with his field speed. He runs significantly faster than most RBs and had a really nice run today.
Safety Owens is playing with the 2s. The longer Mills stays on PUP the more Owens has a chance to make it at safety.
I was underwhelmed with DJ's accuracy today. He had two deep posts where he missed his receiver wide. One thing that was telling (in terms of WRs). Slayton's miss looked worse because he really didn't adjust to the ball. Hyatt did an excellent job adjusting so he at least got his fingers on it.
There were some nice medium throws by DJ. The thing with DJ is he really needs to improve his consistency.
One thing that I saw was Hyatt still chopping his feet to change direction.
I saw a special teams drill I had never really seen before. It was similar to the one-on-one drill linemen and receivers/DBs run. One player had to beat the other player and try to tackle a pad down the field
Bobby Skinner and Justin Pennock, it was great to see those two. Great guys.
I wonder about Bellinger. If he makes the team, it will be more by default than because he earned it.
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Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Giants Training Camp Day 4 thoughts
•Full padded practice meant lots of running. First team OL did well but not Dexter Lawrence helps
•Andru Phillips found his way in the backfield twice
•If Eric Gray can't block in preseason, I think Dante Miller is making a case for a spot
•young guys battling for spots like Dyontae Johnson & Gervarrius Owens shined today
•Will be able to watch OL/DL 1 on 1's before our stream so will have more takeaways then
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I would like to see the middle of the field used more with the deep throws. Jones has always been decent at the sideline, now let's see the middle.
Andrew Thomas = good lol
If as you say, Elumenor is doing well at RT, and That isn't lighting a fire under Neal's arse, i don't think anything will. I've been really rooting for the kid but he seems worse than Flowers. :no:
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 29, 2024, 07:53:40 AMWaiting in line. Waiting for Bobby and Justin
Other than the crutches, you're looking good. Don't overdo.
New Season.... Nothing seems to change
Before Camp and I suppose before OTA's
We hoped it might be
Thomas, Eleumunor, Schmitz, Runyan, Neal
Today--5 days into Camp
Thomas, Stinne, Schlottmann, Runyan, Eleumonor
Dumpster Dan
Quote from: AZGiantFan on July 29, 2024, 02:41:15 PMOther than the crutches, you're looking good. Don't overdo.
Easier said than done. Being essentially homebound for 10 weeks and being a natural hard charger who challenges his body to keep up...
That said, I don't want another surgery on my foot so I am going to do my best to be good
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 29, 2024, 12:30:27 PMI don't have a lot of observations because, frankly, I wasn't as well prepared as I normally am. I haven't memorized a lot of numbers, didn't have my binoculars, and didn't have a printed roster.
I was watching Elumenor, and it was so nice to see a competent RT play.
There is not a lot of standing around like in previous training camps, players were almost always doing something.
Turbo Miller really impressed with his field speed. He runs significantly faster than most RBs and had a really nice run today.
Safety Owens is playing with the 2s. The longer Mills stays on PUP the more Owens has a chance to make it at safety.
I was underwhelmed with DJ's accuracy today. He had two deep posts where he missed his receiver wide. One thing that was telling (in terms of WRs). Slayton's miss looked worse because he really didn't adjust to the ball. Hyatt did an excellent job adjusting so he at least got his fingers on it.
There were some nice medium throws by DJ. The thing with DJ is he really needs to improve his consistency.
One thing that I saw was Hyatt still chopping his feet to change direction.
I saw a special teams drill I had never really seen before. It was similar to the one-on-one drill linemen and receivers/DBs run. One player had to beat the other player and try to tackle a pad down the field
Bobby Skinner and Justin Pennock, it was great to see those two. Great guys.
I wonder about Bellinger. If he makes the team, it will be more by default than because he earned it.
Has Bellinger been struggling in practice?
I am happy to hear reports on some of the young guys stepping up a bit, we need some help with the depth at RB, LB, and S so glad to hear Owens, Johnson, and Miller mentioned positively in some of these tweets. Also Eleumenor doing well at RT, if Neal struggles, he will be benched, in either way the OL should be in better shape with him and Runyan in the fold.
Quote from: MrGap92 on July 29, 2024, 03:57:49 PMHas Bellinger been struggling in practice?
I am happy to hear reports on some of the young guys stepping up a bit, we need some help with the depth at RB, LB, and S so glad to hear Owens, Johnson, and Miller mentioned positively in some of these tweets. Also Eleumenor doing well at RT, if Neal struggles, he will be benched, in either way the OL should be in better shape with him and Runyan in the fold.
I wouldn't say Bellinger struggled, he simply hasn't looked good. As for Neal, I don't think he is close to returning. By the time he is ready, I am hoping the Giants will simply stick with what works (Eleumenor)
Quote from: Dumpster Dan on July 29, 2024, 02:42:39 PMNew Season.... Nothing seems to change
Before Camp and I suppose before OTA's
We hoped it might be
Thomas, Eleumunor, Schmitz, Runyan, Neal
Today--5 days into Camp
Thomas, Stinne, Schlottmann, Runyan, Eleumonor
Dumpster Dan
I don't know about others, but I never hoped to see Neal among the starters.
Out of the 3 "changes," one is a major upgrade, one is at worst a wash and at best a minor upgrade, and one is a slight downgrade.
Count me among those happier with the current unit.
JE is proven in battle to be a good RT. Neal has only proven to be bad and injured all the time. Move on.
JMS needs to get back asap. He was a giant disappointment last year. When you consider that centers like Tyler Linderbaum of the Ravens looked good his rookie year and Joe Tippman played decently for the Jets as another 2nd rounder, we need to find a similar result from JMS. He was listed as the best in the draft class along with Tippman. Time to step it up.
From everything I've seen and heard, I'm optimistic about the Oline.
Stinnie isn't amazing but he isn't bad either. I almost guarantee that Eluemunor starts at RT. After seeing competent tackle play together with El and Thomas it'll be hard to come off that.
Also Manhertz is a gem and will be huge for us. Manhertz, and Theo in some order for 1/2 on TE.
Rich, did Jones practice looking off the safeties at all?...did you notice him doing it in team drills?
JMS is not nearly the disaster some of you are making him out to be. He left a lot to do be desired but he was a mixed bag and made some good plays too. He may have been one of the the best Center prospects since Richburg or that kid from Canada and I think he's an improvement over Billy Price. Feliciano was a solid veteran but this kid was a rookie. Give him some slack. He may become a good anchor. I like some of the things I saw LY.
Quote from: MightyGiants on July 29, 2024, 07:53:40 AMWaiting in line. Waiting for Bobby and Justin
Looking sharp, Rich!
Congrats on all the recovery progress, and I'm glad you're finally getting to enjoy camp in person.
Back for more
Quote from: Ed Vette on July 29, 2024, 08:07:59 PMJMS is not nearly the disaster some of you are making him out to be. He left a lot to do be desired but he was a mixed bag and made some good plays too. He may have been one of the the best Center prospects since Richburg or that kid from Canada and I think he's an improvement over Billy Price. Feliciano was a solid veteran but this kid was a rookie. Give him some slack. He may become a good anchor. I like some of the things I saw LY.
Ed: Great points. And practicing against Dex may "sharpen" him but it can't be good for his confidence. lol
Give it three or four regular season games; by then, IMO, you'll start seeing articles about leadership and second-level effectiveness (which is what distinguishes him your average center).
I followed him very closely in college; so far, there is no reason to believe Giants got anything less than the top-flight player they believed he would become.
Bob
Thanks Mighty. Trying to keep up with Bobby and Justin, too. Our heroes look far more intense this year- whether it translates .hmmmm.
Rich: It would be hard to overstate how much I look forward to people from this site attending camp. Bob
Owens and Phillips with picks today. Secondary slowly coming along.
Bellinger finally decided to show up today.
I will say it was a lighter practice than yesterday
I am still less than happy with DJ's accuracy (not that Lock or DeVito are lighting it up)
Watched the Baby Bison today. He is powerful, even though he is light
TEs can not block Burns (who did practice)
I watched (because he was on my side) Eluemunor solid right tackle
A Gervarrius Owens looked impressive in coverage
Watched a bit of Boogie Basham, I came away underwhelmed. The Giants are 6th in the waiver wire order. I expect them to try and get an edge rusher on waivers
I was watching some Gunner Olszewski as a WR. He is pretty shifty and I think he could offers up something as a receiver, not just as a returner.
I watched McCloud try and cover Hyatt on a deep crosser. The video is a highlight because McCloud broke up the pass, but in my opinion, had DJ thrown it well there wouldn't be a play to make. Hyatt beat his man.
Gilliam was feast or famine on his punts. Some where magnificent deep punts to the sidelines, and some barely made 30 - 35 yards
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Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
Two DBs that have really impressed so far this summer are CB Nick McCloud + S Gervarrius Owens.
McCloud is playing in the slot. Had 2 pass breakups today with the starters, one almost was an INT. Has been playing really physical, which is a plus in Shane Bowen's defense.
Owens now has interceptions on two straight days in pads. The seventh-round pick last year has really made strides. He's been playing with the second-team defense.
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Rough day for the Giants offense. Daniel Jones went 6 of 14 passing. Almost threw two interceptions.
Looked like the Giants pulled back on WR Malik Nabers a bit today. Had a smaller workload.
Offensive line seemed unsettled. Again, Aaron Stinnie was at LG. Austin Schlottmann at C. Think that could change soon with the addition of Greg Van Roten and C John Michael Schmitz (shoulder) seemingly not far from a return.
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Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Giants Training Camp Day 6 thoughts
•Really tough day for the offense. Nothing crisp and multiple sacks. Asking the TE's to pass block and they just get beat
•Gervarrius Owens interception. Gervarrius Owens supremacy.
•Bobby Okereke & Dyontae Johnson were bringing it in the run game all day long
•Andrew Thomas is hilariously good in 1 on 1's. He hasn't lost in 3 years
•Elijah Chatman looked good in 1 on 1's and had a sack v. Aaron Stinnie in team
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Towards the end of practice I spotted Daboll having along talk with DJ
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
#Giants QB Daniel Jones having an issue under throwing again. Missed Jalin Hyatt on first set of team drills. He had step, but throw allowed DB back in it.
Completed one to a wide-open Wandale Robinson moments ago, but throw had him sliding when presented a great YAC chance.
Near INT for Burns now on a tip, too.
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Quote from: spiderblue43 on July 30, 2024, 09:03:40 AMThanks Mighty. Trying to keep up with Bobby and Justin, too. Our heroes look far more intense this year- whether it translates .hmmmm.
Thank goodness. After last year's powder puff camp they could hardly be less intense. Last year's camp is/was my biggest complaint about Daboll.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on July 30, 2024, 04:05:15 PMThank goodness. After last year's powder puff camp they could hardly be less intense. Last year's camp is/was my biggest complaint about Daboll.
You think Dabs remembers 40-0?
Quote from: Gman329 on July 31, 2024, 08:47:55 AMYou think Dabs remembers 40-0?
Dabs seems lost to me. Does not have a clear path under his feet.
Quote from: Philosophers on July 31, 2024, 01:02:23 PMDabs seems lost to me. Does not have a clear path under his feet.
Lost? Really? Do you think he is in over his head??
Dumpster Dan
Rich and I attending.
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Looking good Guys!!
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Ed and Rich
Any sign of Van Roten getting any reps??
How about Theo??
2 and 3d RB??
Dumpster Dan
Quote from: Dumpster Dan on August 01, 2024, 12:50:23 PMEd and Rich
Any sign of Van Roten getting any reps??
How about Theo??
2 and 3d RB??
Dumpster Dan
With Corbin injured I fully expect Tracy and Miller to take 2 and 3. I also think that if theo is healthy the TE depth chart is him, manhertz, cager, and bellinger 4th. I Think the staff soured on Gray and Bellinger.
Training camp observations
1) I give Neal a 10% chance of not starting the season on the PUP. He is doing basic movement drills and has a compression sleeve on his leg which makes me think it's a knee added to the ankle. Plus, I saw him try and splint and to my eyes, the left leg in the sleeve was slower than his right.
2) DJ looked better. You will see a couple of long completions he threw. I wasn't that impressed. If Hyatt and Nabers hadn't beaten their man so badly the passes could/would of been broken up. Hyatt has to really slow down to make his catch and Nabers had to stop
3) TE Tyree Jackson is catching a lot of passes in camp.
4) TE Chris Manhertz ia jacked and according to Bobby Skinner is by far the best blocking TE in camp
5) I think Bryce Ford-Wheton has a good chance to make the team. The ST coordinator mentioned him in his presser, and he hasn't looked bad on the field (although he is running with the 2s and 3s).
6) I think they are holding out Nabers from some first string snaps because they want to get the rest of the team involved. otherwise, I think it would just be DJ playing catch with Nabers.
7) Seeing Nabers lined up along side Hyatt on the same side of the field is likely to keep DCs awake
8) There was an interesting punt drill where the returner was facing the wrong way until the coach signaled him to turn around. That made tracking and catching the punt more challenging. Gunner handled the drill like a pro
9) Gilliam continues to be feast or famine on his punts
10) I wonder if the Giants will keep a true backup center. They had Van Roten taking snaps at center in the initial walkthrough before giving way to Slotsman.
11) Looks like Runyan is being moved to RG as his new (and hopefully) final position on the line (Stinnie was filling in at guard until Van Roten is fully ready
12) Deyonte Johnson continues to impress at ILB. McFadden has taken little to no snaps in camp (I heard he was hurt in the spring)
14) Theo had a couple of nice catches. Theo looks more graceful when I watch him in person.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Notes from today's Giants practice:
• Veteran offensive lineman Greg Van Roten, who was signed on Tuesday, was thrown right into the mix. Van Roten has mostly been a guard during his career, but he has some experience at center. With John Michael Schmitz sitting out his fourth straight practice, Van Roten was inserted as the starting center.
The 34-year-old is still working into football shape, so he only took the first two reps of team periods before being replaced by Austin Schlottman. Van Roten didn't participate in the final team period of practice, which was an up-tempo move-the-ball period.
Expect Van Roten to settle in at right guard when Schmitz returns, but the Giants clearly have concerns with their backup center options based on the center reps they've given Van Roten and Jon Runyan, who worked exclusively at left guard today.
• Second-round pick Tyler Nubin returned after missing five practices with a calf injury. Nubin split reps on the second-team defense as he ramped up.
• Veteran WR Isaiah McKenzie had his most active practice of camp. He got reps with the first-team offense in 4-WR sets with Darius Slayton's workload reduced. McKenzie caught one pass from Daniel Jones and three passes from Drew Lock.
• The Giants continue to experiment with a ton of different personnel groupings. Running backs Devin Singletary and Tyrone Tracy were on the field together for a few plays today.
• Rookie RB Dante Miller got some first-team reps today. He dropped passes from Jones and Tommy DeVito.
• With this being a heavy second/third-and-long practice, the defense was in dime often. Dru Phillips was the slot corner with Nick McCloud at LB next to Bobby Okereke.
• Dyontae Johnson continues to take advantage of first-team reps with Micah McFadden (hamstring) still on a pitch count and Carter Coughlin (lower body) not practicing. Johnson had an interception of Jones off of an Okereke tip and a sack.
The key for Johnson to make a real push for a roster spot will be on special teams. Coughlin and Matthew Adams are established special teamers and Darius Muasau is a rookie draft pick.
• Kayvon Thibodeaux beat Andrew Thomas twice today. He may have had a sack on the deep TD pass to Malik Nabers and he definitely would have had a sack later in practice. Thibodeaux got in the backfield so quickly on the second play that I had to confirm that it was actually Thomas at LT.
• The Giants practiced full-team kickoff returns for the first time during camp. McKenzie and Gunner Olszewski were the first pair back. They were followed by Miller/Tyrone Tracy and Jacob Saylors/Ayir Asante.
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Daniel Jones bounced back with his best practice of camp after his worst on Tuesday. He threw a really nice deep ball for a TD to Malik Nabers, who got behind Cor'Dale Flott, and a deep TD to a wide-open Jalin Hyatt on a scramble drill. Also had a nice pass to Theo Johnson up the seam. Lowlight was an interception by Dyontae Johnson off an impressive leaping tip by Bobby Okereke on a pass into traffic over the middle.
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Seems like Jones is under throwing his WR's.
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Deyonte is the breakout camp guy this year. Very active according to Bobby and Justin. DJ's arm strength is being scrutinized each practice...but he had his best day..for what it's worth.
Ed and I in attendance
Rich and Ed - from your vantage point does it look like Jones is practicing looking off the safeties in the practice setting drills/11 on 11 etc?
Ezeudu was carted off at the end of practice. Not sure what happened. Justin said he was limping before the cart ride. I'm not sure if the cart was due to the injury or just because it was too hot and the guys were all exhausted. Before getting hurt he was alternated between LG and LT (I thought he looked a bit better at guard)
It was hot and miserable at practice today. Schlottmann was puking his guts out about 15 minutes before camp ended. I never recall seeing that before
Theo did not do a good job blocking on a couple of blocking attempts I got to see.
They were doing route drills. Nabers runs routes at a whole other level than his teammates. Plus, Nabers is seriously flexible and jacked.
I really like Gunner as a WR.
I think Hyatt has improved over last season.
There is little difference between Lock and DeVito. (more Lock is not looking great, although DeVito seems a bit improved)
DJ looked good, especially in the 2-minute drill. I wonder if DJ overthinks. He seems better in the hurry-up where he doesn't have time to overthink
Burns continues to impress.
Van Roten took quite a few snaps at center (although after the number 2 man started spewing chunks even Kubas took snaps at center)
The baby bison earned himself a sack with the ones
I am really not impressed with RB Gray. I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't make the roster
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Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Giants Training Camp Day 8 thoughts
•Tyler Nubin is a noticeably smart player. Takes care of his responsibilities while paying attention to everything around him. Physical too.
•Great practice from Brian Burns. Couple clear sacks. Also really noticeable that Dexter Lawrence was practicing
•Josh Ezeudu got some 1st team snaps at LG and then Tackle on 2nd team. He left practice early. Not sure why.
•Back shoulder throws to Malik Nabers seem to be an emphasis
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Practice notes:
• Type of day where there isn't much to react to from a sixth-year QB. They did a lot of red zone work, so not many opportunities to air it out. Best pass was a deep in-route to Wan'Dale Robinson after climbing the pocket. A lot of plays were disrupted by the pass rush.
There was a nice throw and catch with Hyatt for a TD that would have been a clear sack by Brian Burns after a nasty spin move on Jermaine Eluemunor. Burns and/or Ryder Anderson would have had a sack on Jones' desperation interception by Jason Pinnock. DT Elijah Chatman, who got a bunch of first-team reps, had a sack right before C Austin Schlottmann lost his breakfast. Noted sacks for Kayvon Thibodeaux (quietly having a strong camp) and Azeez Ojulari.
• Jon Runyan exclusively worked at LG again, although his reps were scaled back. Josh Ezeudu (before getting carted off) and Jake Kubas got work at LG with the starters. Greg Van Roten was the starting center again, with Schlottman (pre puke) and Jimmy Morrissey rotating in.
• Tyrone Tracy had his second fumble of camp. Otherwise, has been impressive.
• Tyler Nubin split reps on the second-team defense. He planted Gunner Olszewski after he caught a slant.
• This was by far the long, most physical practice of camp. Lot more run plays during team periods than usual.
• Players who left with injuries: WR Isaiah McKenzie (hip/back), WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton (?), TE Jack Stoll (knee), OL Josh Ezeudu (?) and DL DJ Davidson (?).
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I've been following the Offensive line with the information provided here (thank you!) and from other sources and, well......it seems like it is still a mess, or maybe it isn't.
They have two veteran Giants playing
Six Free Agents signed in the off season, or earlier this week.
Two Undrafted Free Agents
Four players they signed off other teams' practice squads last year or the year before
And 3 others who are somewhat injured or on PUP, counting Ezeudu today.
Now if that weird mix isn't enough to make it hard to figure out how they are playing, they are going up against Burns, Thibodeaux, Lawrence and others that look like they are in midseason form already.
It is a good time for Detroit to be coming in. I don't know what I am seeing or reading on either side of the ball. It is early, and I'm not concerned yet, but it already feels like it will take some time before we see the O-line come together.
How does the O-Line look to your eyes?
I am encouraged that Daboll kept them out there as long as he did despite the conditions. It reinforces my opinion that this is a tougher camp than last year's. First mini-benchmark will be when the Lions come in for the joint practices and how it looks this year compared to last year.
Move by Burns... about three people in the world can do that without falling down... I'm not one of them. lol
Moves by Nabers... if the OL gives him (and Jones) enough time, no one can guard him.
Good concentration by Hyatt on the TD that really wasn't (play would have been over in a real game).
Bob
Quote from: AZGiantFan on August 02, 2024, 04:14:28 PMI am encouraged that Daboll kept them out there as long as he did despite the conditions. It reinforces my opinion that this is a tougher camp than last year's. First mini-benchmark will be when the Lions come in for the joint practices and how it looks this year compared to last year.
AZRich: Lions are a good team, so they'll likely present the Giants with a "reality check." Bob
I took the weekend off, and will attend my final camp practice tomorrow.
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Starting Defense Today:
DT Dexter Lawrence
DT Ryder Anderson
EDGE Brian Burns
EDGE Kayvon Thibodeaux
LB Bobby Okereke
LB Isaiah Simmons
CB Dru Phillips
CB Deonte Banks
CB Cordale Flott
S Jason Pinnock
S Dane Belton
The Giant Take Podcast
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Starting Offense Today:
QB Daniel Jones
RB Devin Singletary
WR Malik Nabers
WR Wan'Dale Robinson
WR Jalin Hyatt
TE Daniel Bellinger
LT Andrew Thomas
LG Jon Runyon
C Greg Van Roten
RG Aaron Stinnie
RT Jermaine Eluemunor
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Bellinger needs to catch that!...and Jones is locked on him the whole way!
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From what I've read this preseason it appears Jones is making a concerted effort to throw the seam pass over the middle. This will be a welcome addition to his arsenal
Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Giants Training Camp Day 9 thoughts
•Last day before joint practices so seemed like a light day
•Brian Burns is stacking great practices. Even getting wins v. Andrew Thomas
•Greg Van Roten hasn't taken a single Guard snap in camp
•DT Elijah Chatman is quick and getting more opportunities. Think he could be a preseason darling
•Seems Andru Phillips has establish himself as the nickel CB
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Quote from: Trench on August 04, 2024, 11:01:47 AMBellinger needs to catch that!...and Jones is locked on him the whole way!
When it is such a quick pass how do you have time to do anything BUT lock in?
Quote from: AZGiantFan on August 04, 2024, 12:36:54 PMWhen it is such a quick pass how do you have time to do anything BUT lock in?
Simple - do what Rodgers, Peyton, Eli, Brady etc used to do which is "while" they're taking the 1st 2 or 3 steps back all he has to do is place his eyes on the other side of the field....and then on the 3rd or 4th step back he finds his man on the other side
Good stuff. Thanks Rich
From Dan Dugan
Notes from today's practice:
• Daniel Jones was accurate/efficient on a steady diet of short/intermediate passes. He had an interception on a pass that went right through Daniel Bellinger's hands to Jason Pinnock. Bellinger only has one catch from Jones in team drills during camp.
• Jones hit Wan'Dale Robinson for a long TD on an ugly play for both sides. Some of the OL didn't move immediately when Greg Van Roten snapped the ball. Robinson ran straight up the seam from the slot. He ran right past Pinnock, who raised his hands after the play toward rookie corner Dru Phillips, who was covering a receiver on the outside on the play. Brian Burns would have had a sack on the play.
• Phillips has been getting first-team reps at slot corner the past three practices. Didn't see Nick McCloud get any reps in team periods today. Likely just a rest day.
• Cor'Dale Flott has been better the best two practices. Seems like his coverage is better on underneath routes. His problem has been the deep ball.
• Burns was in the backfield a lot. On one play, Andrew Thomas shifted to the right side pre-snap and Burns beat him. Jones was trying to go deep on the play and then scrambled after the Burns "sack."
• Elijah Chatman continues to get a first-team reps. He had a "sack" today.
• Isaiah McKenzie has been more active recently. He would have had a TD on a slant catch-and-run from Drew Lock after beating Tre Herndon, who was getting second-team slot corner reps.
My last day at camp.
Not sure how much I will see. The main field is the one along the field house away from the fans
Daniel Jones jumping in to save his guy in that mini fight was impressive.
Also anyone see the jersey number of the giant player that hurled the lions player like a baby in the big fight? Couldn't tell if it was Phillips or McCloud.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on August 05, 2024, 01:01:59 PMAlso anyone see the jersey number of the giant player that hurled the lions player like a baby in the big fight? Couldn't tell if it was Phillips or McCloud.
Dru Phillips started like 3 of the fights
Observations from Giants camp:
1) the Lions are serious about injuries. Every player, except the QBs wore the padded helmets. The Giants only are about 65% wearing them.
2) Sat with Bobby and Justin. Adrianna, a newer Giants podcaster/Youtuber, was sitting with us today.
3) Watching one on one line drills (Giants D) was really impressed with Chapman. I think he is a lock to make the roster. I also think Nacho has stepped up his game this year
4) It looks like Dru Phillips has locked down the slot CB position
5) Simmons looks good in coverage, especially against TEs
6) For those wanting the Giants to trade for QB Hooker: He's third string (behind Nate Sudfield) on the Lions and didn't impress
7) Not sure it was wise of DJ to get involved with the fights
8) Last year reports were the Giants got their asses kicked in their first practice. This time the Giants more than held their own against a team that potentially is competing for the SB
9) quite chippy out there with Dru Phillips instigating more than his fair share of dust-ups
10) I am growing concerned about CB 2. Flott isn't cutting it. I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants sign a veteran FA
11) It was hard to see the offense work as they were on the far field. I did see DJ hook up with Nabers on a long throw, though.
12) As excited as I am for Theo, I am not seeing him produce on the field (at least just yet)
13) Turbo had a nice run with the 3s
14) I'm still a little concerned with the Giant's run defense. Admittedly, it was hard to gauge in camp, but it didn't look as strong as I would have liked
15) The Lions have name-free jerseys, just the numbers
16) There was a busted coverage or two. The Giants still need to clean up their coverage in Bowen's system.
17) Dex is still a beast
18) Burns looked good against the Lion's O-line. KT was just okay
19) Ojulari shows some nice bend. I am really concerned for Edge number 4, though
20) Roten is getting a lot of snaps at center (not even sure he has taken any snaps at guard). I have a feeling the Giants are less than excited with their backup centers
21) The Lions punter was impressive. He was booting it 60 - 65 yards
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Thanks Rich for the detailed update. Excellent to hear about Ojulari.
1. How did our run blocking seem to you?....did it seem our oline was at least getting a nice push?
2. Did u happen to notice if Jones was locking on recievers or did he mix it up?...sounds like he had a reallly nice day.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
#Giants rookie CB Dru Phillips on his rep vs #Lions' Amon-Ra St. Brown, Jameson Williams' reaction and the ensuing fight: "I mean, it was a really good rep by me. So I kind of expect him to get mad. I mean, I'm a rookie. So I think I just did my job well and maybe he didn't like it. But at the end of the day we're just out there competing. So I expected it." https://youtu.be/jwOCWUpXdAE?si=FLgzgWbiPAEf_LbS
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Quote from: Trench on August 05, 2024, 01:53:38 PMThanks Rich for the detailed update. Excellent to hear about Ojulari.
1. How did our run blocking seem to you?....did it seem our oline was at least getting a nice push?
2. Did u happen to notice if Jones was locking on recievers or did he mix it up?...sounds like he had a reallly nice day.
The way it was laid out, I mostly saw the Giants' defense. The offense was on a far-field that was difficult to see
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Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Giants-Lions Joint Practice 1 thoughts
•The energy was nuts. Total opposite of last years sessions.
•Andru Phillips was in the middle of everything. Nick McCloud popping people too
•Didn't watch every offensive snap but saw a lot of good passes from Daniel Jones with good connections to Malik Nabers
•Brian Burns dominated all day long
•I love fights so much
•Flott got burnt by Jameson Williams early & later Jamo was alone in the endzone on what must have been a busted coverage
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
I had Daniel Jones 12 of 17 in #Giants practice today (full team period) and 7 of 8 in the 7-on-7 period. Thought he looked good. Only blemish being a near INT when Carlton Davis jumped a curl. The highlight was the long pass to Malik Nabers.
#NYG offense held up really well vs a really good #Lions team. Offensively line play stood out to me. Receivers open, too.
Completely different from first practice with Detroit last year. On other side,
@ShaunMorash
said Brian Burns lived in backfield.
Will have more detailed report for
@SNYGiants
shortly, but it was a good day.
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Rich: Like
@Trench I'm very interested in the run-blocking.
Guess we'll find out a bit about that on Thursday night. lol
I'm not as apprehensive about the offense as our members in general seem to be, but I do see the run game as the big question. Our OL is simply not good enough to give Jones time to pass the ball unless the team has first established the run (without using Jones on designed run plays).
Bob
So correction tre Hawkins threw the Lions guy but Andru Phillips, and Nick McCloud were in on everything.
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I know this sounds weird but Okereke is so freaking underrated. I know many thought we over paid and shouldnt have overspent on one of the two guys Chicago scooped in FA last year. He was the second best Mike last season and just goes under the radar.
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Quote from: MightyGiants on August 05, 2024, 01:44:23 PM20) Roten is getting a lot of snaps at center (not even sure he has taken any snaps at guard). I have a feeling the Giants are less than excited with their backup centers
Or are they losing faith in Schmitz as the starter, since he has been unable to practice?
Quote from: AZGiantFan on August 05, 2024, 02:36:18 PMOr are they losing faith in Schmitz as the starter, since he has been unable to practice?
It's hard to say. I will say this: If your starting center goes down, wouldn't it be natural to slide your number two center in and give him the snaps?
I suspect that they like Stinnie at guard better than they like Slotzman at center and are hoping they can go with Roten as the backup center with Stinnie backing him and the LG up on game day (not sure who the swing tackle will be, though)
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I feel this is the best line we have in a decade and that is wild saying.
Game day daboll is the daboll we need.
I also think we have really solid nickels in McCloud, Simmons, and Phillips. We need a CB2 desperately.
John Jiles being a ghost in camp until joints.
Chatman, owens, dyontae Johnson, miller, and Alex Johnson Likely make the team with ease.
Really nice to see our offense running game, and the Rbs actually get 4 or 5 yards a carry instead of -2. Feeling like they made the right choice.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on August 05, 2024, 03:01:55 PMI feel this is the best line we have in a decade and that is wild saying.
Game day daboll is the daboll we need.
I also think we have really solid nickels in McCloud, Simmons, and Phillips. We need a CB2 desperately.
John Jiles being a ghost in camp until joints.
Chatman, owens, dyontae Johnson, miller, and Alex Johnson Likely make the team with ease.
Really nice to see our offense running game, and the Rbs actually get 4 or 5 yards a carry instead of -2. Feeling like they made the right choice.
John Jiles has flashed those long arms and leaping ability today and in a couple of other practices. I am liking the undrafted rookie's chances of making the PS
I'm encouraged by this confirmation that Daboll realizes his approach to camp last year was a mistake and has changed dramatically.
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How is that regarded as a sack?
Quote from: jimc on August 05, 2024, 03:28:52 PMHow is that regarded as a sack?
It wasn't; that's why Jim Nagy corrected him. Sewell clearly beat KT on that set
Quote from: AZGiantFan on August 05, 2024, 03:12:21 PMI'm encouraged by this confirmation that Daboll realizes his approach to camp last year was a mistake and has changed dramatically.
Most definitely was a bad call last year. You and Ed mentioned it early and it showed that it was a bad idea from the very first game.
This is what we needed to see though. We got abused by the lions last season in camp, so seeing today was refreshing. Might not be a playoff team but I don't think we'll be the walking L we were last season. Closer to 8-9 wins than 4 imo.
I've been studying Jones passes from today. It looks to me that he cleary looked off the defender on 3 separate pass plays:
1. Completion to Theo Johnson
2. Completion to Hyatt
3. Completion to Slayton
3x at least today. That's excellent.
Quote from: Trench on August 05, 2024, 04:07:09 PMI've been studying Jones passes from today. It looks to me that he cleary looked off the defender on 3 separate pass plays:
1. Completion to Theo Johnson
2. Completion to Hyatt
3. Completion to Slayton
3x at least today. That's excellent.
I agree--and thats only those that we were able to make out
Dumpster Dan
Quote2) Sat with Bobby and Justin. Adrianna, a newer Giants podcaster/Youtuber, was sitting with us today.
Any of them members here? Don't out them is they are. Seems like they'd be great additions to the board and this is the most civilized sports forum out there.
Quote from: madbadger on August 05, 2024, 04:35:54 PMAny of them members here? Don't out them is they are. Seems like they'd be great additions to the board and this is the most civilized sports forum out there.
Good question
Quote from: Trench on August 05, 2024, 04:07:09 PMI've been studying Jones passes from today. It looks to me that he cleary looked off the defender on 3 separate pass plays:
1. Completion to Theo Johnson
2. Completion to Hyatt
3. Completion to Slayton
3x at least today. That's excellent.
Aw, shucks, I don't get to drink. ;) :P
Quote from: AZGiantFan on August 05, 2024, 05:57:20 PMAw, shucks, I don't get to drink. ;) :P
Just looking for the positives and upside is all. I'm rooting like hell for this guy to succeed and reach his potential.
Quote from: Trench on August 05, 2024, 06:45:43 PMJust looking for the positives and upside is all. I'm rooting like hell for this guy to succeed and reach his potential.
I know. It was a joke.
There's something different about this team.
Ever since the Giants started doing these joint practices, the opponent ALWAYS gets the jump on them and we hear how much deeper, more talented, intense and physical they are.
Not this year. It's early, but nonetheless a sign this team may be turning the corner.
Quote from: madbadger on August 05, 2024, 04:35:54 PMAny of them members here? Don't out them is they are. Seems like they'd be great additions to the board and this is the most civilized sports forum out there.
Whether they and others are active participants I have no idea, but I get the sense when I listen to podcasts and read articles out there that many people who are full time Giants reporters or podcasters/youtubers at least read this site. It's a great place to go if you want to get the pulse of the fan base and not just witness a bunch of children shouting expletives at each other in all caps, like you get on other boards.
I have heard things on podcasts and read things in articles that have been suggestive to me that the writer/speaker has been reading certain threads here. Makes total sense if they are. If I were someone like Duggan or Leonard or Bobby/Justin I'd coming here daily and just seeing what's on fan's minds and how fans are reacting to certain things.
Quote from: 4 Aces on August 05, 2024, 09:04:36 PMThere's something different about this team.
Ever since the Giants started doing these joint practices, the opponent ALWAYS gets the jump on them and we hear how much deeper, more talented, intense and physical they are.
Not this year. It's early, but nonetheless a sign this team may be turning the corner.
Aces: IMO you just need 1 or 2 guys on each side of the ball who scare the opponent. We have that now. Bob
Quote from: 4 Aces on August 05, 2024, 09:04:36 PMThere's something different about this team.
Ever since the Giants started doing these joint practices, the opponent ALWAYS gets the jump on them and we hear how much deeper, more talented, intense and physical they are.
Not this year. It's early, but nonetheless a sign this team may be turning the corner.
With the addition of Nabors and Burns and the development of young players coming into their own, this team is developing confidence and an identity. The feistiness I witnessed yesterday, shouted not in my house. Drafting rookies with pride like Dru and Tre who won't take xxxx and punch you right back in the mouth, is making an impact on this team.
I loved how DJ jumped into the melee to help protect his guys. Not the smartest thing to do but I'm sure it spoke volumes to his teammates.
Bill
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Back in the early 1980s, it took a Lawrence Taylor to give that excellent group of linebackers an attitude that bled through to the entire defense. The impact was so swift that the Giants' defense went from something like 25th in the league, in 1980, to third in 1981. That's what having a close-knit team with an attitude can do.
Let's hope we see more of that this season.
Peace!
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Giants-Lions Joint Practice 2 thoughts
•Malik Nabers balled out again and then started fighting. Great day for him.
•Nick McCloud had a good practice and then took CB2 reps over Flott for the first time
•Brian Burns had an excellent joint session and blitzes were getting home from other guys
•Kerby Joseph was punched a lot
•Another fun year of camp, thank you guys for supporting
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Camp called early due to fighting. Nabers took a cheap shot at Kerby Joseph. I love intensity, but Nabers looked pretty dumb on that play to me...
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on August 06, 2024, 12:18:44 PMCamp called early due to fighting. Nabers took a cheap shot at Kerby Joseph. I love intensity, but Nabers looked pretty dumb on that play to me...
I appreciate what you are saying on a rational level. The emotional side of me likes that the team has a DAWG
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Nabers impressing so far, I appreciate the emotion, we need a dog, someone with some fire, it at least shows he cares
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Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on August 06, 2024, 12:18:44 PMCamp called early due to fighting. Nabers took a cheap shot at Kerby Joseph. I love intensity, but Nabers looked pretty dumb on that play to me...
I am not letting this sway my thoughts on anyone anymore
Character is important .... But after so many losing seasons .... I rather have guys who get down whether winning or losing vs just keeping their heads down and consistently losing
I appreciate the fight more than I did 10 years ago
I don't care about Nabers having fight, but if you watch the video it was a cheap shot and he tried to jog away after. No throwing rocks and hiding hands--that's law.
Also, if it had been a kicking net instead of a player, would people have felt the same way? =))
Quote from: MightyGiants on August 06, 2024, 12:27:09 PMI appreciate what you are saying on a rational level. The emotional side of me likes that the team has a DAWG
Maybe don't punch the helmet and go for the body instead? Punching a helmet when those hands are very important to the success of the entire team....not the smartest decision he's ever made.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on August 06, 2024, 03:02:15 PMI don't care about Nabers having fight, but if you watch the video it was a cheap shot and he tried to jog away after. No throwing rocks and hiding hands--that's law.
Also, if it had been a kicking net instead of a player, would people have felt the same way? =))
If he had punched a kicking net he'd of course have to be traded immediately as a hot head, head case, loser. No room for that around these parts, regardless of how many TDs he might catch. This is the New York Giants for God's sake! /sarcasm/
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on August 06, 2024, 03:02:15 PMI don't care about Nabers having fight, but if you watch the video it was a cheap shot and he tried to jog away after. No throwing rocks and hiding hands--that's law.
Also, if it had been a kicking net instead of a player, would people have felt the same way? =))
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Wide Receiver Malik Nabers
Q: Can you just walk us through what happened there on that play where you and (Lions cornerback Terrion) Arnold wound up throwing punches?
MALIK NABERS: Me and (Lions cornerback Terrion) Arnold? Me and Arnold never threw no punches.
Q: (Lions safety Kerby) Joseph. You know what play I'm talking about?
MALIK NABERS: It's hot. We're competing. Stuff like that is going to happen. It's football at the end of the day.
Q: Did he say something?
MALIK NABERS: He did, but I'm not going to repeat it.
Q: It looks like it was a contested play and (Lions cornerback Terrion) Arnold was in coverage. You tapped him on the helmet coming up, and it looked like maybe he objected to that and he thought that was kind of patronizing...
MALIK NABERS: Oh no. That's the competitor in me and (Terrion) Arnold, we talk almost every day about just competing, how great we want to be. So, it's nothing against him. He's my brother, so I'm going to give him the work he needs. He's going to give me the work I need. But I was just tapping him on the helmet, good play. That's all it was.
Q: And then (Lions safety Kerby) Joseph got mad...
MALIK NABERS: And then somebody comes up, running up to me, said a few words and the rest is that.
Q: Do you think that fight could have potentially been a result, I think you were thrown at 10 or 11 times the last two days. You caught all but one of them. It was consistently catching on their defense. Do you think that ticked them off a little bit?
MALIK NABERS: I'm not sure. I'm just out here trying to compete at the highest point, make plays when I got the opportunity, continue to show my coaches that I'm able to play in this league.
Q: What did you get out of these two days?
MALIK NABERS: I got nice, good work from these guys at Detroit. Just some great work of just not going against your teammates. You get to go against somebody else. Having that mindset of getting back into that football mentality, that was great.
Q: What have you learned about playing at the NFL level, at least from what you've experienced so far?
MALIK NABERS: The game is fast. The game is fast. The level of competition is very high. That's really about it. There are plays to be made when the ball is thrown in the air, that's a bit of it.
Q: On that play, do you regret throwing those punches? Because it could break your hand, in the game you get tossed for that. Do you regret throwing them?
MALIK NABERS: In a game situation I'm highly alert of everything. Like I said, it's a heated practice. Words are being said, stuff like that is going to happen.
I don't care how much we paid for Burns right now, him and Nabers are culture changers.
Quote from: Ed Vette on August 06, 2024, 08:26:04 AMWith the addition of Nabors and Burns and the development of young players coming into their own, this team is developing confidence and an identity. The feistiness I witnessed yesterday, shouted not in my house. Drafting rookies with pride like Dru and Tre who won't take xxxx and punch you right back in the mouth, is making an impact on this team.
Attitude can't be coached. But it can rub off on other players. I, for one, wouldn't mind if the Giants' identity was nasty and don't take crap from anyone.
JMS is my biggest concern this week. He was hurt, then bad..now hurt again..and I have little faith in Barnes' staff to diagnose anything properly. Nick Gates, I think, is still out there. Need security at the position fast.
Have real worries about Schmitz on the fritz. ~X(
Bobby and Justin are really good guys and help the faithful so much. Kudos to them. Must see Giants TV. :cheers: :Giants: :Giants:
Pretty sure Gates went to the Eagles
Quote from: Flipper on August 06, 2024, 04:50:12 PMPretty sure Gates went to the Eagles
Correct Flip...
Yes,
he did sign with them. Oh well. Get well Schmitzy. :worship:
The problem is not just his health. It is that his injuries are preventing him from getting the coaching, practice, and reps to improve. And he badly needs to improve. My money is on Van Roten starting the season as their starting center.
Might just be me but I think hard knocks was the best thing that could have happened to Jones. That and his new found beard. I'm hopeful that it translates.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on August 06, 2024, 07:32:30 PMMight just be me but I think hard knocks was the best thing that could have happened to Jones. That and his new found beard. I'm hopeful that it translates.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on August 06, 2024, 07:32:30 PMMight just be me but I think hard knocks was the best thing that could have happened to Jones. That and his new found beard. I'm hopeful that it translates.
Nabers also helps. If this translates into the regular season even remotely he could even make Tommy Devito passable.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on August 06, 2024, 03:44:46 PMAttitude can't be coached. But it can rub off on other players. I, for one, wouldn't mind if the Giants' identity was nasty and don't take crap from anyone.
Last time they had a WR with this type of fight in him they traded him away for the sake of "culture" This regime seems to have a little more sense about them.
Quote from: MightyGiants on August 06, 2024, 12:27:09 PMI appreciate what you are saying on a rational level. The emotional side of me likes that the team has a DAWG
I know what you mean, but something tells me you won't like it so much when he gets a 15 yard personal foul penalty for something like that in a very close game.
That isn't fighting. It isn't dawg. It isn't moxie. It is just plain stupid. :boooo:
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on August 06, 2024, 08:44:30 PMI know what you mean, but something tells me you won't like it so much when he gets a 15 yard personal foul penalty for something like that in a very close game.
I don't believe he had an issue in college
Quote from: bamagiantfan on August 06, 2024, 09:51:51 PMThat isn't fighting. It isn't dawg. It isn't moxie. It is just plain stupid. :boooo:
Yeah, that was a cheap shot by Nabers. He's gotta check that. Don't be the instigator but don't back down either. If defenses see they can rattle his chain, best believe they will and the word will spread quickly, just like it did with OBJ.
All of the talk has been pretty much centered around Jones, Nabers, and Burns.
How is the running game looking?
Quote from: T200 on August 07, 2024, 10:36:08 AMAll of the talk has been pretty much centered around Jones, Nabers, and Burns.
How is the running game looking?
Tim,
Without tackling, I find it difficult to gauge the running game in training camp. You can gauge how the O-line is or isn't opening up holes (on padded practice days), but how successful a run might be requires quite a bit of speculation.