To this day his entire career I defended Danny Dimes
But today was my breaking point .... He had time in the pocket today ... yea maybe some plays no one was open ..but still idk I just cant defend him anymore
Season is just 1 game in .... Daboll please start Devito next week.... I don't think he will be great .. but he has potentially a higher ceiling than Lock obviously .... But Devito has more of a calm presence in the pocket and doesn't stare down his receivers
He did win 3 games in a row last season .... and now we have Nabers
Just make the move now ... why risk more games at this point
The line will get better. The receivers will get open.
Schoen and Daboll need to keep putting Jones out there so JOHN MARA can clearly see that Jones is not the answer.
I think we'd have to go winless for the first 5 or 6 games before he gets yanked.
I hope the train atleast had a good bar car.
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 04:20:16 PMTo this day his entire career I defended Danny Dimes
But today was my breaking point .... He had time in the pocket today ... yea maybe some plays no one was open ..but still idk I just cant defend him anymore
Season is just 1 game in .... Daboll please start Devito next week.... I don't think he will be great .. but he has potentially a higher ceiling than Lock obviously .... But Devito has more of a calm presence in the pocket and doesn't stare down his receivers
He did win 3 games in a row last season .... and now we have Nabers
Just make the move now ... why risk more games at this point
I'm with you. I was a on a dvr delay, just finished watching a few minutes ago. Texted people that I am done with him. Plays were there that he just did not make and if they are not going to let him try to throw deep, then the underneath stuff is never going to be there. Neither will the screens or the running game.
Quote from: coggs on September 08, 2024, 04:34:33 PMI'm with you. I was a on a dvr delay, just finished watching a few minutes ago. Texted people that I am done with him. Plays were there that he just did not make and if they are not going to let him try to throw deep, then the underneath stuff is never going to be there. Neither will the screens or the running game.
As one of DJ's ardent supporters (or at least this is how I read your posts), I do would like to ask what exactly what the tipping point for you?
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 04:25:44 PMThe line will get better. The receivers will get open.
Schoen and Daboll need to keep putting Jones out there so JOHN MARA can clearly see that Jones is not the answer.
I think we'd have to go winless for the first 5 or 6 games before he gets yanked.
If I'm Daboll I'd rather get fired for benching Jones than to ride a guy he's knows can't win into getting fired for not winning.
Quote from: coggs on September 08, 2024, 04:34:33 PMI'm with you. I was a on a dvr delay, just finished watching a few minutes ago. Texted people that I am done with him. Plays were there that he just did not make and if they are not going to let him try to throw deep, then the underneath stuff is never going to be there. Neither will the screens or the running game.
Yea man .....it was early in the game as well too when I started getting anxious
I can't defend the guy anymore ..... I thought he still had a slight chance at being that guy ..... I no longer think that in the slightest
Quote from: madbadger on September 08, 2024, 04:55:16 PMIf I'm Daboll I'd rather get fired for benching Jones than to ride a guy he's knows can't win into getting fired for not winning.
I agree. But unless Mara overrides Schoen's authority, Daboll isn't getting fired. Schoen knows full well the situation they both inherited and Schoen isn't going to hold Daboll fully accountable without giving him his own QB.
I'm sure Mara will be consoling DJ at the dinner table this evening.
Quote from: madbadger on September 08, 2024, 04:55:16 PMIf I'm Daboll I'd rather get fired for benching Jones than to ride a guy he's knows can't win into getting fired for not winning.
100% this.
These guys (Schoen and Mara) need to realize that the rest of the league is watching. Going into your next job interview and saying "I didn't want to upset John Mara, so that's why I didn't make the change" is not going to impress people very much.
Did Daniel Jones ever turn his neck today? I'm not so sure he did. His peripheral vision either has been compromised or doesn't exist, I can't tell.
His speed has clearly been compromised. It covered some of his flaws in the past, but clearly no more.
As many have called out, the league has caught on to his tendencies and schemes to neutralize them.
Any improvements to the line were compromised, in part, by his
ability to go through his progressions slower than Windows for Workgroups 3.1 on a 286 IBM Pentium desktop paperweight (oops, I meant computer!).
Maybe the Giants should make one of those mannequins on that GEICO commercial the starting QB next week. They couldn't be any stiffer than the performance from the QB today.
Peace!
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 05:02:11 PMI agree. But unless Mara overrides Schoen's authority, Daboll isn't getting fired. Schoen knows full well the situation they both inherited and Schoen isn't going to hold Daboll fully accountable without giving him his own QB.
I'm sure Mara will be consoling DJ at the dinner table this evening.
After seeing how Mara was apprehensive about Barkley leaving on Hard Knocks, I wonder if the accusations of meddling are somewhat exaggerated. I also think that Mara would fire Schoen after this year if he saw him and his HC, contributing to the stagnation. Just throwing that out there.
Quote from: Ed Vette on September 08, 2024, 05:23:07 PMAfter seeing how Mara was apprehensive about Barkley leaving on Hard Knocks, I wonder if the accusations of meddling are somewhat exaggerated. I also think that Mara would fire Schoen after this year if he saw him and his HC, contributing to the stagnation. Just throwing that out there.
I think the accusations of Mara's undue, indirect influence are true, even in the Barkley situation. Schoen just stuck to his guns and his number that he was not willing to budge on.
I agree that Mara may want to fire Schoen if he felt that sticking with him wasn't the right move. However, I think (hope) he knows he would be directly feeding the dysfunctional lack of continuity if he fired them after the season. He can't complain that they've done everything to screw up his golden child and then proceed to fire yet another coach/offensive system.
Me too.
I had him on the shortest leash imaginable this year. He has not improved at all since 2022 and Flores was toying with him like a cat and mouse. It was tough to watch.
The bigger problem is, this entire organization sucks still. The coaching staff actually took a huge step backwards losing Martindale at DC. Bowen is a yes man that wouldn't make waves, and walks around the facility looking like a slob. Just like Schoen and his bros in the front office. He is not a good DC. And Daboll is not a good coach either.
It would be nice if the problem was simply Daniel Jones, but it's much worse than that.
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 04:25:44 PMThe line will get better. The receivers will get open.
Schoen and Daboll need to keep putting Jones out there so JOHN MARA can clearly see that Jones is not the answer.
I think we'd have to go winless for the first 5 or 6 games before he gets yanked.
Agreed....Need to stick with Jones all year. Why? Because the Giants gave him the contract...let the chips fall where they fall. I don't like the Giants paying him so much to sit. Is Lock the guy? Is DeVito the guy? NO. Let Jones play, and if he sucks, then the record will reflect it. Bad record means high pick, Jones' play will cost him his job and help the Giants get their guy. Havin a 6-11 season does nothing (if we play Lock or DeVito) assuming they can do better.
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 05:29:35 PMI think the accusations of Mara's undue, indirect influence are true, even in the Barkley situation. Schoen just stuck to his guns and his number that he was not willing to budge on.
I agree that Mara may want to fire Schoen if he felt that sticking with him wasn't the right move. However, I think (hope) he knows he would be directly feeding the dysfunctional lack of continuity if he fired them after the season. He can't complain that they've done everything to screw up his golden child and then proceed to fire yet another coach/offensive system.
Schoen and Daboll came from outside and have accomplished nothing here, so I don't think Mara would feel loyalty to them like he did for, say, Gettleman. This is the third year. That's enough time to not be accused of lack of continuity if the wheels come off and this team comes in at, say, 2-15.
Quote from: AYM on September 08, 2024, 05:36:41 PMSchoen and Daboll came from outside and have accomplished nothing here, so I don't think Mara would feel loyalty to them like he did for, say, Gettleman. This is the third year. That's enough time to not be accused of lack of continuity if the wheels come off and this team comes in at, say, 2-15.
Is three years enough time to fix what Gettleman left though?
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 05:41:01 PMIs three years enough time to fix what Gettleman left though?
Is three years enough time to fix it? I don't know.
Is three years enough time to exhibit material improvement? Absolutely.
There is no legitimate excuse for us to still be this bad in year three of this regime.
Look I witnessed that abysmal performance today and Daboll did not have his team ready to play . That said, it is only one game . There are 16 games left so the sky is not falling today.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on September 08, 2024, 06:58:40 PMLook I witnessed that abysmal performance today and Daboll did not have his team ready to play . That said, it is only one game . There are 16 games left so the sky is not falling today.
Nope. No good. Unacceptable that this happened 2 years in a row.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on September 08, 2024, 06:58:40 PMLook I witnessed that abysmal performance today and Daboll did not have his team ready to play . That said, it is only one game . There are 16 games left so the sky is not falling today.
Defense was acceptable. 21 points is not great, but should be within reach. They even handed the offense a great opportunity early with the fumble caused by rookie Dru Phillips deep in enemy territory. I can't imagine what it's like to play defense when you know if you give up 10 points it's basically over.
If we go QB in round 1 of 2025 Draft, I don't want Daboll's paws on him. I want a new GM and HC. JS and BD have had too many misses.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 06:33:39 PMIs three years enough time to fix it? I don't know.
Is three years enough time to exhibit material improvement? Absolutely.
There is no legitimate excuse for us to still be this bad in year three of this regime.
No excuse at all.
But we know the reasonS: QB, offensive line, offensive skill players.
Two of the three have been addressed; time will tell if there will be noticeable improvements on the field. The main one hasn't changed and hasn't shown signs of improvement.
Quote from: Philosophers on September 08, 2024, 07:17:18 PMIf we go QB in round 1 of 2025 Draft, I don't want Daboll's paws on him. I want a new GM and HC. JS and BD have had too many misses.
Interesting perspective, Joe. Honestly, as much as I want to, it's hard to argue. Hmmm, I may have to alter my thinking here.
Quote from: kingm56 on September 08, 2024, 07:24:36 PMInteresting perspective, Joe. Honestly, as much as I want to, it's hard to argue. Hmmm, I may have to alter my thinking here.
He makes a good point
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 05:41:01 PMIs three years enough time to fix what Gettleman left though?
When it was obvious that Gettleman was floundering and had no coherent plan, certain individuals here ran with the excuse that he basically inherited an expansion team. There's always going to be a reason/excuse. But at some point, you have to take the results you're getting at face value.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on September 08, 2024, 07:31:30 PMWhen it was obvious that Gettleman was floundering and had no coherent plan, certain individuals here ran with the excuse that he basically inherited an expansion team. There's always going to be a reason/excuse. But at some point, you have to take the results you're getting at face value.
I agree with your overall point but taking things at face value is the same reason Jones got a new contract off of a playoff win. You can't take things at face value and be expected to give a proper evaluation of a situation.
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 07:43:26 PMI agree with your overall point but taking things at face value is the same reason Jones got a new contract off of a playoff win. You can't take things at face value and be expected to give a proper evaluation of a situation.
Yes, agreed. Just to say that when you're consistently getting poor results, you have to have a limit to staying the course. But, yes, I think you're correct in the broader point you're making.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on September 08, 2024, 07:56:45 PMYes, agreed. Just to say that when you're consistently getting poor results, you have to have a limit to staying the course. But, yes, I think you're correct in the broader point you're making.
I'm with you there. For me, I'd be comfortable giving Schoen and Daboll two more years if they get their QB in next year's draft. If they don't grab a QB in the draft, they're on the hot seat.
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 08:00:20 PMI'm with you there. For me, I'd be comfortable giving Schoen and Daboll two more years if they get their QB in next year's draft. If they don't grab a QB in the draft, they're on the hot seat.
Two years sounds right. 2025 get their QB, 2026 evaluate where the team is
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 08:00:20 PMI'm with you there. For me, I'd be comfortable giving Schoen and Daboll two more years if they get their QB in next year's draft. If they don't grab a QB in the draft, they're on the hot seat.
Yep. I'm guessing this is what ownership is thinking as well.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on September 08, 2024, 06:58:40 PMLook I witnessed that abysmal performance today and Daboll did not have his team ready to play . That said, it is only one game . There are 16 games left so the sky is not falling today.
Brothers I have been saying this for what 6 years now ?
But today he had plenty of time out there and wasn't able to do anything with it ..... I understand some of those plays no one was open .... But the other 50% like someone said earlier .... He didn't turn his neck once
Jones has the talent imo ..... but he can not read a defense or progressions one bit .....
Today was the first time I literally watched the game and thought to myself "this can't be fixed" ..... and ask anyone on this message board I was always a Jones defender
At this point I think it's over with the Jones experiment .... If we go on a winning streak and Jones balls out I will GLADLY eat crow
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 08:07:12 PMBrothers I have been saying this for what 6 years now ?
But today he had plenty of time out there and wasn't able to do anything with it ..... I understand some of those plays no one was open .... But the other 50% like someone said earlier .... He didn't turn his neck once
Jones has the talent imo ..... but he can not read a defense or progressions one bit .....
Today was the first time I literally watched the game and thought to myself "this can't be fixed" ..... and ask anyone on this message board I was always a Jones defender
At this point I think it's over with the Jones experiment .... If we go on a winning streak and Jones balls out I will GLADLY eat crow
Welcome to my world. I'm with you
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on September 08, 2024, 04:47:15 PMAs one of DJ's ardent supporters (or at least this is how I read your posts), I do would like to ask what exactly what the tipping point for you?
Just too many times today I said something along the lines of, "Come on, you can't miss that..." It was not the pick-6. Van Ginkel made a great play on that, 9 out of 10 that ball is dropped/knocked down when a DLineman gets his hands on it and you live for another play. I think his worst play might have been the Dallas Turner sack. He comes clean. How Jones didn't see it was 3 on 2 and audible, I don't know. Then, he avoids the initial attempt by Turner, but then doesnt get outside to extend the play and takes the sack anyway.
Quote from: coggs on September 08, 2024, 08:28:19 PMJust too many times today I said something along the lines of, "Come on, you can't miss that..." It was not the pick-6. Van Ginkel made a great play on that, 9 out of 10 that ball is dropped/knocked down when a DLineman gets his hands on it and you live for another play. I think his worst play might have been the Dallas Turner sack. He comes clean. How Jones didn't see it was 3 on 2 and audible, I don't know. Then, he avoids the initial attempt by Turner, but then doesnt get outside to extend the play and takes the sack anyway.
Plays like that make me wonder if Jones throws the ball with this eyes closed. I understand it's a quick pass but how do you not see the defender there? ~X( ~X(
I am with those of you who defended and finally capitulated. I would often go back and forth/ chicken or the egg (no line, no receivers vs poor QB play). I finally saw it today, he just does not process quick enough, he is skittish and not a fluid player. Plays were there to be made. He's like the guy who plays awesome pick up football but in the NFL the throw needs to be at the spot almost a tic before the WR is. DJ waits then throws...and the WR often bails him out catching a ball that is behind him, or worse, it gets picked.
Quote from: nicky1000 on September 08, 2024, 08:46:19 PMI am with those of you who defended and finally capitulated. I would often go back and forth/ chicken or the egg (no line, no receivers vs poor QB play). I finally saw it today, he just does not process quick enough, he is skittish and not a fluid player. Plays were there to be made. He's like the guy who plays awesome pick up football but in the NFL the throw needs to be at the spot almost a tic before the WR is. DJ waits then throws...and the WR often bails him out catching a ball that is behind him, or worse, it gets picked.
When was the last time you saw DJ throw someone open? He basically needs 2 yards of clear separation or he refuses to throw it. He shows no anticipation. Then when he does deliver, he's not accurate (either bad ball placement within the body or completely uncatchable).
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 08:38:49 PMPlays like that make me wonder if Jones throws the ball with this eyes closed. I understand it's a quick pass but how do you not see the defender there? ~X( ~X(
As others have said, he locked in on the receiver. Likely thought the ball would be by the defender before he reacted. We see plays all the time where the defender goes for the ball and he just misses it by being a quarter of a second too late.
Quote from: nicky1000 on September 08, 2024, 08:46:19 PMI am with those of you who defended and finally capitulated. I would often go back and forth/ chicken or the egg (no line, no receivers vs poor QB play). I finally saw it today, he just does not process quick enough, he is skittish and not a fluid player. Plays were there to be made. He's like the guy who plays awesome pick up football but in the NFL the throw needs to be at the spot almost a tic before the WR is. DJ waits then throws...and the WR often bails him out catching a ball that is behind him, or worse, it gets picked.
I actually have a lot of respect for you, nicky (and Kill). You guys are here participating in the post-game chat, and reconsidering your notions, as they relate to DJ. It could be a long season; good discord is how we'll all get through it.
Quote from: kingm56 on September 08, 2024, 08:59:47 PMI actually have a lot of respect for you, nicky (and Kill). You guys are here participating in the post-game chat, and reconsidering your notions, as they relate to DJ. It could be a long season; good discord is how we'll all get through it.
Let's hope the front office and staff is tough enough to have these conversations
I tend think Mara really likes JS. Whether or not Daboll stays or goes is one thing but I suspect JS makes it to pick another QB as he showed he wanted to do.
He missed badly on Neal and Kayvon (we can debate the latter) but Mara will give the GM a very long leash
Bobby Skinner pretty much sums up my thoughts to a T.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbtkOFuuLRc
Quote from: kingm56 on September 08, 2024, 08:59:47 PMI actually have a lot of respect for you, nicky (and Kill). You guys are here participating in the post-game chat, and reconsidering your notions, as they relate to DJ. It could be a long season; good discord is how we'll all get through it.
Yea it finally hit me ..... before (as you know) we would disagree on everything .... Because I genuinely felt at the time I could speak on defense of Jones
But today as I sat in my gazebo watching the game in this nice weather ..... I couldn't even debate with myself on why it wasn't DJ's fault .... The team all together played bad .... But the Jones bad ... was just that ... Jones bad ... no one else to blame
Idk if I'm in some kind of weird trance .... But I'm actually worried about the the next few weeks that Jones has it pretty much locked to be the starter .....I'm pissed that I feel the season is over after week 1 ..... I know Devito probably means the season is over but it's too early to think draft I still want to win games ..... After today I legit have no confidence that Jones will win us a game .....
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 06:33:39 PMIs three years enough time to fix it? I don't know.
Is three years enough time to exhibit material improvement? Absolutely.
There is no legitimate excuse for us to still be this bad in year three of this regime.
The excuse is Mr. Excuses himself. Granted nobody put a gun to his head to give Jones that contract but it's impossible to win with that guy. The rest of the team if you go up and down the roster is significantly better. The cap situation is significantly better. If they could get even average QB play from freaking ANYBODY they'd be a pretty good team. But they can't with the slop they currently have at the position. Which is why it's so important to get that #1 pick and not randomly go on a 3 game winning streak when the season is already lost!
Making excuses for DJ again is long over (he isn't quite recovered,from his acl) and is bs. He hasn't improved his awareness, accuracy or efficiency at all. And it shows.
Plus, he's as inspiring as a potato..he's just there..oh well..try better next time..enough. Get him off the field before he gets knocked out with 25 mil. injury clause
That would really be adding more insult to injury. It's over. Daboll and Schoen are looking at a world of hurt after Washington next week. Carolina in Germany may be the only game we might win in the first half.
:hurt: :boooo: :surrender:
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 08, 2024, 08:52:44 PMWhen was the last time you saw DJ throw someone open? He basically needs 2 yards of clear separation or he refuses to throw it. He shows no anticipation. Then when he does deliver, he's not accurate (either bad ball placement within the body or completely uncatchable).
H-T: It seems clear that he is unable to throw people open and lacks anticipation.
THAT aspect of his game has never changed and cannot be blamed on anyone else.
As for accuracy, I saw worse yesterday from QB's widely believed be superior to Jones, especially if the player in question was (also) coming off an injury from last season. Among comments related to this issue were those made by Tom Brady about Deshaun Watson (something like "it's rust, and it will take him a while coming off a serious injury to get back into the rhythm and tempo of an NFL game...").
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on September 09, 2024, 07:15:04 AMH-T: It seems clear that he is unable to throw people open and lacks anticipation.
THAT aspect of his game has never changed and cannot be blamed on anyone else.
As for accuracy, I saw worse yesterday from QB's widely believed be superior to Jones, especially if the player in question was (also) coming off an injury from last season. Among comments related to this issue were those made by Tom Brady about Deshaun Watson (something like "it's rust, and it will take him a while coming off a serious injury to get back into the rhythm and tempo of an NFL game...").
Bob
Watson was playing against the NFLs best defense, with multiple AP players...Jones was playing a bottom 5 defense. Moreover, it's not just one game; DJ has been terrible in his last 8 games.
Quote from: Bob In PA on September 09, 2024, 07:15:04 AMH-T: It seems clear that he is unable to throw people open and lacks anticipation.
THAT aspect of his game has never changed and cannot be blamed on anyone else.
As for accuracy, I saw worse yesterday from QB's widely believed be superior to Jones, especially if the player in question was (also) coming off an injury from last season. Among comments related to this issue were those made by Tom Brady about Deshaun Watson (something like "it's rust, and it will take him a while coming off a serious injury to get back into the rhythm and tempo of an NFL game...").
Bob
Come on Bob-
He can not hit an open receiver, can not hit a screen pass, can not lead a receiver, can not throw a pass that even may get caught if there is any type of pressure at all period.
Other players have bad games, ever game for jones is bad or barely average.
Since his extension Jones has thrown more TD's as Pick 6's (3) than he has thrown TD's (2) for the Giants.
Quote from: kingm56 on September 09, 2024, 07:49:07 AMWatson was playing against the NFLs best defense, with multiple AP players...Jones was playing a bottom 5 defense. Moreover, it's not just one game; DJ has been terrible in his last 8 games.
king: IMO give Minny more credit. Yes, they recently HAD a bottom five D. Judging by yesterday's performance, their serious off-season moves seem to have panned out very well (so far). The defense was complicated, well-taught, and well-executed by the players... they deserved to win (just based on the defense's work). Bob
Yea this isn't the same Minny Defense Jones beat up on in 22. Brought in Flores, ton of talent in the secondary, Lost Hunter but replaced him with Greenard. Drafted Dallas Turner. They were much improved last year under Flores and they seemed well coordinated yesterday.
Yesterday was my breaking point on Jones as well. Not that a year 6 breakout is common but it has happened a couple times. I really thought this year would be an improvement. True #1, three receiving scat backs, Theo, all new oline, new oline coach, Hyatt and Slayton over the top. Like all the ingredients are there for an explosive offense. It's Jones. He just doesn't have the processing speed. If his first read isn't wide open he derps into a sack or makes an off balance throw to a checkdown or runs into his own lineman.
Quote from: Bob In PA on September 09, 2024, 08:22:52 AMChris: Did you read my post as somehow defending Jones? Also, it doesn't sound like you've ever hurt an ACL. Bob
I did, my bad, still getting my first sip of coffee
Jones's problem is his mind. It cripples him under duress, real or imaginary . It was true before the ACL and after.
Ex. and in no way is this the only one. 3rd period, 2nd and 20 with a 6 man front at the line of scrimmage, he saw a5 tech on Thomas and another outside rusher for argument sake we will call a 9 tech outside of Thomas.
Jones in Shotgun with double twins looks right at the overflow pressure, takes the snap, the two outside receivers both break their routes. Jones stares down Nabers who is on the side the pressure is coming from and is forced to pump because the rusher is in the passing lane. That sack is 100% on him. that is an easy read. As simple as they come.
No feel for the game. No instinct. Just sloppy rookie level football . Jones screwed that play up before the snap was made and that had nothing to do with his ACL.
Quote from: babywhales on September 09, 2024, 08:42:59 AMI did, my bad, still getting my first sip of coffee
Jones's problem is his mind. It cripples him under duress, real or imaginary . It was true before the ACL and after.
Ex. and in no way is this the only one. 3rd period, 2nd and 20 with a 6 man front at the line fo scrimmage, he saw a5 tech on Thomas and another outside rusher for argument sake we will call a 9 tech outside of Thomas.
Jones in Shotgun with double twins looks right at the overflow pressure, takes the snap, the two outside receivers both break their routes. Jones stares down Nabers who is on the side the pressure is coming from and is forced to pump because the rusher is in the passing lane. That sack is 100% on him. that is an easy read. As simple as they come.
No feel for the game. No instinct. Just sloppy rookie level football . Jones screwed that play up before the snap was made and that had nothing to do with his
You can't teach instinct. That flaw was obvious from year one.
Quote from: babywhales on September 09, 2024, 08:19:14 AMCome on Bob-
He can not hit an open receiver, can not hit a screen pass, can not lead a receiver, can not throw a pass that even may get caught if there is any type of pressure at all period.
Other players have bad games, ever game for jones is bad or barely average.
Since his extension Jones has thrown more TD's as Pick 6's (3) than he has thrown TD's (2) for the Giants.
@babywhales Chris: Did you read my post as somehow defending Jones? Also, it doesn't sound like you've ever hurt an ACL. Bob