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There has been plenty of discussion about whether Jones will still be on the Giants next year. This thread is not intended to be about that. I'm curious if people think he'll be a starter in the NFL next year, with ANY organization (whether it's the Giants or someone else).

And to be clear, by "be a starter", I mean be the player that the team views as its starting QB entering week one of the season and whom they see starting for them all year (ie not a three to four week placeholder to pave the way for a rookie and then be the backup). So if you vote yes, you're saying one of the 32 NFL teams goes into the 2025 season with the expectation that Jones will start for them all year.

Guests welcome to vote.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 09, 2024, 10:22:07 AMThere has been plenty of discussion about whether Jones will still be on the Giants next year. This thread is not intended to be about that. I'm curious if people think he'll be a starter in the NFL next year, with ANY organization (whether it's the Giants or someone else).

And to be clear, by "be a starter", I mean be the player that the team views as its starting QB entering week one of the season and whom they see starting for them all year (ie not a three to four week placeholder to pave the way for a rookie and then be the backup). So if you vote yes, you're saying one of the 32 NFL teams goes into the 2025 season with the expectation that Jones will start for them all year.

Guests welcome to vote.

Interesting question

At first blush, the obvious answer is if the DJ isn't considered good enough to start for the Giants long-term, then he shouldn't be starting.  However, the shortage of quality QBs and a limited number entering the league through the upcoming draft, means there will be teams looking for, at the very least, a bridge QB.

The Colts have an excellent offense, but Flacco is showing his age at nearly 40.  I could see them signing DJ to compete with Richardson, and DJ won the competition.

Could the Browns be looking for someone other than turnover-prone Wiston to push Watson?  DJ would beat Watson in a head-to-head competition.

Injuries could also create a need for a starter.  Hell, even the Giants might keep DJ as a bridge to a new QB, if they draft a project (although I am not familiar potential project type picks)

I would tend to lean towards an answer of no, but it's such a weak lean I am not comfortable giving that as the answer to the survey.

No, I don't see it in the near term. He will have to work his way back as a backup and hope for another opportunity.

 Not unless the current starter (or projected starter) goes down with an injury.

There seem to be 'perfect systems' for many QBs a la Darnold, Smith, and Mayfield all whose careers were in the toilet until they hit on their current systems. So there may be a system for Jons, but to say if he went to another team and he would automatically be the starter, I doubt it.

Only if there's an injury, as Lenn says above.

I don't see him being signed anywhere as "the guy"

That is a great question.

Maybe if he went to like the Raiders or something and they don't draft one? Idk to me at the very best he would be a spot starter or bridge but not a full season

I think there's a decent chance he's the starter right here next year.

There are a ton of 2-7 teams and the Giants play one tomorrow that they'll probably easily beat in Carolina. The Giants also have games against the mailed-it-in New Orleans Saints, and who knows what will happen with the Cowboys. The Eagles are also likely to throw the last game if they need to rest players for the playoffs.

The result? A record nowhere near bad enough to get a good QB prospect. Maybe we get one in the later rounds in the draft, but that would leave the Giants deciding whether to eat the rest of Jones' contract and sign a bridge, or just keep Jones another year as the bridge. And they might decide on the latter.

Quote from: AYM on November 09, 2024, 05:36:40 PMI think there's a decent chance he's the starter right here next year.

There are a ton of 2-7 teams and the Giants play one tomorrow that they'll probably easily beat in Carolina. The Giants also have games against the mailed-it-in New Orleans Saints, and who knows what will happen with the Cowboys. The Eagles are also likely to throw the last game if they need to rest players for the playoffs.

The result? A record nowhere near bad enough to get a good QB prospect. Maybe we get one in the later rounds in the draft, but that would leave the Giants deciding whether to eat the rest of Jones' contract and sign a bridge, or just keep Jones another year as the bridge. And they might decide on the latter.

No chance. The fan base will howl and attack with pitchforks and torches. Daboll will be gone and probably Schoen if they don't get a different QB, whether through free agency or the draft.

Quote from: AYM on November 09, 2024, 05:36:40 PMI think there's a decent chance he's the starter right here next year.

There are a ton of 2-7 teams and the Giants play one tomorrow that they'll probably easily beat in Carolina. The Giants also have games against the mailed-it-in New Orleans Saints, and who knows what will happen with the Cowboys. The Eagles are also likely to throw the last game if they need to rest players for the playoffs.

The result? A record nowhere near bad enough to get a good QB prospect. Maybe we get one in the later rounds in the draft, but that would leave the Giants deciding whether to eat the rest of Jones' contract and sign a bridge, or just keep Jones another year as the bridge. And they might decide on the latter.

They will sign a different vet if need be, no chance they eat this contract barring injury

Quote from: katkavage on November 09, 2024, 05:52:43 PMNo chance. The fan base will howl and attack with pitchforks and torches. Daboll will be gone and probably Schoen if they don't get a different QB, whether through free agency or the draft.

That's my point. They'll probably get one on day 2-3 and then decide they're better off just giving Jones another year as the opening day starter, and whenever the new guy is ready, transitioning to him, rather than eating Jones' contract (meaning we're still paying him) and finding another bridge QB.

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 09, 2024, 06:14:30 PMThey will sign a different vet if need be, no chance they eat this contract barring injury

Evan Neal is starting tomorrow so ... an injury is also a possibility.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 09, 2024, 10:22:07 AMThere has been plenty of discussion about whether Jones will still be on the Giants next year. This thread is not intended to be about that. I'm curious if people think he'll be a starter in the NFL next year, with ANY organization (whether it's the Giants or someone else).

And to be clear, by "be a starter", I mean be the player that the team views as its starting QB entering week one of the season and whom they see starting for them all year (ie not a three to four week placeholder to pave the way for a rookie and then be the backup). So if you vote yes, you're saying one of the 32 NFL teams goes into the 2025 season with the expectation that Jones will start for them all year.

Guests welcome to vote.

I am shifting my position to leans yes after listening to Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks (two former NFL men whose opinions I respect) listing DJ as number one in terms of veteran QBs with bounceback (like Mayfield, Geno Smith, and Sam Darnold) potential.  If both former NFL men feel this way, it's not a stretch to think there wouldn't be a QB-needy team or two who feel the same.

I think fans and teams overestimate most of their talent. On the other hand, fans underestimate players when they are down on a player as well.  Who saw Evan Engram playing much better when leaving the Giants, Julian Love, McKinney as well.   I am not going to throw Barkley on the list, as most thought he would do better with the Eagles, thanks to a much better situation than with the Giants.

I am not arguing that DJ deserves to be a starter next season, as much as the starting QB game of musical chairs is one where there is more chairs than starting QBs.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 07:21:10 AMI am shifting my position to leans yes after listening to Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks (two former NFL men whose opinions I respect) listing DJ as number one in terms of veteran QBs with bounceback (like Mayfield, Geno Smith, and Sam Darnold) potential.  If both former NFL men feel this way, it's not a stretch to think there wouldn't be a QB-needy team or two who feel the same.

I think fans and teams overestimate most of their talent. On the other hand, fans underestimate players when they are down on a player as well.  Who saw Evan Engram playing much better when leaving the Giants, Julian Love, McKinney as well.  I am not going to throw Barkley on the list, as most thought he would do better with the Eagles, thanks to a much better situation than with the Giants.

I am not arguing that DJ deserves to be a starter next season, as much as the starting QB game of musical chairs is one where there is more chairs than starting QBs.

Rich,

While my base case is that he won't be, I have thought about the above too. Given the recent trend of QBs who failed with their first team or two finding some degree of success with their second or third team (see Darnold, Geno, Mayfield), and also given the fact that, as of right now at least, this incoming QB class is not regarded as particularly strong, you may have a number of teams that need a placeholder and are willing to take a shot on someone like Jones.

Additionally, let's face facts, the respect level out there of the Giants' franchise in its current form (ie the past decade) must be pretty low around the league. There may be owners/GMs who think the Giants are just simply inept and dysfunctional, and that Jones might do better elsewhere.

I voted no in the poll, because I do think that's probably the most likely outcome, but I did not vote no with a high level of conviction. I don't think it's obvious either way. Hence why I decided to put this poll on the board. I wanted to see what others think.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 07:35:04 AMRich,

While my base case is that he won't be, I have thought about the above too. Given the recent trend of QBs who failed with their first team or two finding some degree of success with their second or third team (see Darnold, Geno, Mayfield), and also given the fact that, as of right now at least, this incoming QB class is not regarded as particularly strong, you may have a number of teams that need a placeholder and are willing to take a shot on someone like Jones.

Additionally, let's face facts, the respect level out there of the Giants' franchise in its current form (ie the past decade) must be pretty low around the league. There may be owners/GMs who think the Giants are just simply inept and dysfunctional, and that Jones might do better elsewhere.

I voted no in the poll, because I do think that's probably the most likely outcome, but I did not vote no with a high level of conviction. I don't think it's obvious either way. Hence why I decided to put this poll on the board. I wanted to see what others think.

It's not just the dysfunction of NYG involved.  It's also that the NYC football market is a pressure cooker where ever throw is micro-analyzed and pressure is greater than anywhere else due to the massive media market and fan media market.  Jones may outwardly show that he can handle the pressure, but it has to play a role in his mind, the constant negativity that he has historically faced.  As Jeremiah and Brooks speculate, Jones may benefit from going to another team where there is much less pressure.  Not only is there the market pressure I discussed, but signing a veteran castoff comes with much less expectation pressure than a former first-round pick or signer of a major veteran contract.

Cleveland. They're GREAT at evaluating QB's LOL


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After watching him today, I'm not sure how many teams would want him as their QB2. Would you want him over someone like Tyrod?

The absolute friggin bum will be lucky if someone takes a chance so he's still allowed in the league.

Personally I believe the main thing that screwed him up was that he was never in a position to have to fight for his job.

You speak of the city being a pressure cooker. What better way to learn how to handle pressure as a first round pick in NY than to have to fight for your job.

One way or another, it would've save us six and a half seasons of misery.

I'm so glad we didn't trade Ojulari

There will always be one coach who thinks he can spin straw into gold so someone might take a chance on him.
Sorry but Jones is a coach killer whatever way you want to spin it.

Real shocking that the two biggest Jones cheerleaders that borderline act like trolls are nowhere to be found. 

Quote from: Messiah717 on November 10, 2024, 01:55:21 PMReal shocking that the two biggest Jones cheerleaders that borderline act like trolls are nowhere to be found. 

This sort of comment reminds me of a man bragging about how humble he is.   

Someone will sign him as a back-up and he will only start if the real QB gets hurt.

Quote from: coggs on November 10, 2024, 03:53:39 PMSomeone will sign him as a back-up and he will only start if the real QB gets hurt.

Carolina would be his ideal landing spot.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Peace!

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 02:23:56 PMThis sort of comment reminds me of a man bragging about how humble he is.   

Haha. This made me laugh.
I assume it's tongue in cheek?

Quote from: Messiah717 on November 10, 2024, 01:55:21 PMReal shocking that the two biggest Jones cheerleaders that borderline act like trolls are nowhere to be found. 

If you're referencing me, this comment isn't called for, especially the "troll" reference.

Even though I've supported DJ, I've maintained from the beginning that he has to prove "this year" that he is a franchise QB or not.

Thankfully the Giants have allowed him to play, they are evaluating him, and I believe we are finally getting our answer.

I remember many on this board saying Kyler Murray was washed up and we would never trade Jones for him.

I was admittedly lukewarm at best but Murray is obviously proving doubters like me wrong.

I hope Jones gets a fresh start somewhere else and finds this type success.

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 09:56:20 PMI remember many on this board saying Kyler Murray was washed up and we would never trade Jones for him.

I was admittedly lukewarm at best but Murray is obviously proving doubters like me wrong.

I hope Jones gets a fresh start somewhere else and finds this type success.

And a few also said he would be deactivated to 3rd string so I can't get hurt so he could be released. None of those things happened. 

Add Mayfield to the list of QBs that some were thankful not to have over Jones.

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 09:56:20 PMI remember many on this board saying Kyler Murray was washed up and we would never trade Jones for him.

I was admittedly lukewarm at best but Murray is obviously proving doubters like me wrong.

I hope Jones gets a fresh start somewhere else and finds this type success.

I think there is a good chance Jones could do better somewhere else.   Playing QB for Daboll usually results in a QB playing below his career norms


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i do think so, yes. Probably after someone gets hurt. But yes he will start games next year. Most likely just not here.