Nuff said.
Quote from: Ed Vette on November 10, 2024, 12:49:55 PMNuff said.
As I speculated for a few weeks, I think it is, Ed. He's been bad in 6 of 10 games...it's time.
The bye is the perfect time to bubble wrap him to keep him safe and put in Lock to get that #1 draft spot.
Today's loss is a win in my book.
They knew after last season he wasn't the guy and tried to get his replacement in the last draft. Today's game wasn't needed to end it IMO. I think it has been 100% over for some time. They just couldn't get rid of him until this coming offseason. I personally think when he got clearly outplayed by other QBs on the same team last year, that was the final straw.
As someone who supported him his entire career
I agree it's time
He seems like a good dude .... Dude is a multimillionaire.... Time to let him be a backup somewhere
Shoot cut him ... resign him as a backup but only as a backup idc lol
But not point of risking injury clauses at this point
Play Devito the rest of the way
And why was the game thread locked so instantly ?
They have a week off to get healthy, and an extra week to prepare one of Lock and/or DeVito
If they don't do it now, it's probably him to the end of the season
I will admit to wanting him to continue to play. If his play remains consistent, we'll be in great shape to draft his replacement; yet, that damn injury clause looms overhead. Similar to the Cinci game, if a different QB plays today, we probably win.
I tried posting this in the game thread but it wouldn't take it. I am so annoyed Jones didn't take a shot to throw the ball into the end zone at least once at the end of regulation. The clock management at the end of the game was horrific to say the least!
Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 12:58:58 PMI will admit to wanting him to continue to play. If his play remains consistent, we'll be in great shape to draft his replacement; yet, that damn injury clause looms overhead. Similar to the Cinci game, if a different QB plays today, we probably win.
Lock is worse. DeVito will win games.
Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 12:58:58 PMI will admit to wanting him to continue to play. If his play remains consistent, we'll be in great shape to draft his replacement; yet, that damn injury clause looms overhead. Similar to the Cinci game, if a different QB plays today, we probably win.
I would almost argue that it would be worth having to risk eating the injury clause in order to max out our chances of Shedeur.
The easier solution though is to just put in Lock instead of DeVito. As brutal as Jones is, he's not worse than Lock.
Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 01:00:11 PMLock is worse. DeVito will win games.
Beat me to it.
Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 01:00:11 PMLock is worse. DeVito will win games.
I couldn't agree more T200
Quote from: Ed Vette on November 10, 2024, 12:49:55 PMNuff said.
I don't know why they didn't bench him to start the second half
Have you ever seen a team win time of so frequently but still lose the games?
This game, and the Bye which follows, should now be the end of Daniel Jones as the Giants QB- he can't read Defenses, cannot make plays with any of the consistency needed for winning football even against weaker opponents- but it won't be.
While they can't really do much worse with Lock and/or DeVito, they will instead continue to risk the chance of having to pay the $23 million injury guarantee for guy who won't be here next year no matter when, where and who they pick to replace him.
And frankly, that would have been my view even if they hadn't lost their 5th straight this Munich afternoon.
Cheers!
It won't be. John Mara will never do that to his man crush.
For those of us arguing play calling, Daboll himself just said it was "bad coaching" to do the flea flicker.
Wow, I don't know how to post the link but Pat Leonard of Daily News is calling for BOTH Schoen AND Daboll to be FIRED!
Discourse around him won't stop. If Lock is bad, it'll be "Daboll sucks! No QB could succeed with the Giants" And then get ready for "DJ could have been good if it wasn't for the Giants!"
Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 01:20:51 PMWow, I don't know how to post the link but Pat Leonard of Daily News is calling for BOTH Schoen AND Daboll to be FIRED!
I just posted a new thread on this very topic
https://giantsfans.net/message_board/index.php?topic=71332.0
Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 01:18:59 PMFor those of us arguing play calling, Daboll himself just said it was "bad coaching" to do the flea flicker.
Why? It was a great call. We simply have a QB who can't capitalize on this play.
Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 01:18:59 PMFor those of us arguing play calling, Daboll himself just said it was "bad coaching" to do the flea flicker.
Let's be consistent: if you're going to dismiss Daboll's comments that counter your narrative as 'coach speak' (e.g., 'DJ is locked in'), then you should do the same when they support it. This is simply coach speak to protect his QB; DJ was nearly in tears after the game.
The play calling today was solid; it was the execution that sucked.
https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1855677281081192909
Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 01:24:39 PMLet's be consistent: if you're going to dismiss Daboll's comments that counter your narrative as 'coach speak' (e.g., 'DJ is locked in'), then you should do the same when they support it. This is simply coach speak to protect his QB; DJ was nearly in tears after the game.
The play calling today was solid; it was the execution that sucked.
Funny, I recall Daboll happily throwing DJ under the bus last week
Quote from: LennG on November 10, 2024, 01:23:14 PMWhy? It was a great call. We simply have a QB who can't capitalize on this play.
We all don't have to agree on it, but I think it's fair to question that play call on 3rd and 1 when you have a ineffective QB and an OL that has given up 16 sacks in last 4 games.
It's reasonable to think that a trick play that takes a long time to develop and requires a QB to make an accurate read + a good throw was less likely to succeed than a running play.
Quote from: madbadger on November 10, 2024, 01:14:50 PMIt won't be. John Mara will never do that to his man crush.
I don't think it's Mara's call to make anymore.
If he's going to hold Schoen and Daboll accountable for their decisions, he needs to let them make them.
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 01:26:10 PMFunny, I recall Daboll happily throwing DJ under the bus last week
Pray tell, at what point his post game interview did Daboll "happily throw DJ under the bus"? The reporters pressed him to blame DJ, and he didn't take the bait; specifically, when they pressed him multiple times if he lacked confidence in DJ throwing the ball, and he explicitly said it had nothing to do with DJ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4JDrv4-uAQ&ab_channel=NewYorkGiants
Please tell me where he threw Jones under the bus?
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 01:24:47 PMhttps://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1855677281081192909
So here we have the QB taking the blame for poor play execution and the HC taking blame for calling bad plays.
Just need Mara to chime in on his meddling and we can all be right!
Did anyone ask Jones about the flea-flicker?
Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 01:24:39 PMLet's be consistent: if you're going to dismiss Daboll's comments that counter your narrative as 'coach speak' (e.g., 'DJ is locked in'), then you should do the same when they support it. This is simply coach speak to protect his QB; DJ was nearly in tears after the game.
The play calling today was solid; it was the execution that sucked.
Fair enough and good point on coach speak.
I am still of the opinion his play calling is weak. I will offer my reasons:
1. Never stays with the hot hand (big play we usually see the player removed for a rest)
2. Plays designed where WR running short of sticks consistently
3. Clock management (as it relates to play calling)
4. Refusal to consistently target the TE room. We saw Bellinger as a rookie make plays so we know he can do it. We saw Theo make plays we know he can do it. But there is no consistency in targets in game planning
5. AWFUL and I mean AWFUL red zone play designs and moreso terrible 2 point conversion play designs and success rates
6. Doghouse for Hyatt. Terrible lack of utilization
7. Too many plays in a row consistently for Nabers. Gives chance for him to be targeted. I realize this contradicts my earlier point - but there should be a happy medium is my point
8. Lack of staying with things that work (best example is early game success rates with RB screens), not today but in most games up until today - only to be abandoned in 2nd halfs
9. Inexcusably not consistently attacking middle of the field with either the RB or TE
10. My biggest pet leave - how many times has he actually taken a shot (at the end zone) while in the red zone - compared to other NFL teams.
These are my reasons. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong.
Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 01:33:32 PMPray tell, at what point his post game interview did Daboll "happily throw DJ under the bus"? The reporters pressed him to blame DJ, and he didn't take the bait; specifically, when they pressed him multiple times if he lacked confidence in DJ throwing the ball, and he explicitly said it had nothing to do with DJ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4JDrv4-uAQ&ab_channel=NewYorkGiants
Please tell me where he threw Jones under the bus?
https://x.com/Patricia_Traina/status/1855677761462870368
Brian Daboll Criticized by Pat McAfee, Chuck Pagano for Daniel Jones Admission
The former NFL players criticized Daboll's admission as to who messed up on T.J. Watt's strip sack/fumble recovery.QuoteFollowing the New York Giants' 26-18 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers on Monday, which ended with the Giants' offense coming up empty thanks to two failed plays by the offense, Giants head coach Brian Daboll surprised a few people with his admission that it was quarterback Daniel Jones who didn't set the correct protection that might have nullified Steelers edge rusher T.J. Watt's strip sack and fumble recovery.
"No, it wasn't a check," Daboll told reporters after the game when asked. "We had a shift with the tight tend to get back over to Watt and didn't get the shift. We talked about it in the locker room. You know, DJ feels terrible, to be honest with you. I know he's going to own it. He came up here to say he owned it."
That admission apparently didn't sit well with Pat McAfee or former NFL head coach Chuck Pagano, McAdee's guest on The Pat McAfee Show this week.
"I don't think you need to go public with that kind of information. The kid knows it," Pagano said.
https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/news/brian-daboll-criticized-by-pat-mcafee-chuck-pagano-for-daniel-jones-admission-01jbjt4kg1x2
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 01:38:27 PMhttps://x.com/Patricia_Traina/status/1855677761462870368
Brian Daboll Criticized by Pat McAfee, Chuck Pagano for Daniel Jones Admission
The former NFL players criticized Daboll's admission as to who messed up on T.J. Watt's strip sack/fumble recovery.
None of that has to do with the question I asked you. Please provide a quote from last week where Daboll threw DJ under the bus?
https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/news/brian-daboll-criticized-by-pat-mcafee-chuck-pagano-for-daniel-jones-admission-01jbjt4kg1x2
You appear confused because I literally showed you an article talking about Daboll blaming Jones for the strip sack.
Bobby Skinner has an interesting theory about DJ starting
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1855683211348832677
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 01:43:17 PMYou appear confused because I literally showed you an article talking about Daboll blaming Jones for the strip sack.
I think it's you that's confused;: you explicitly said that Daboll threw DJ under the bus LAST week. Last week the Giants played Washington; I literally provided you the post game conference. You posted a comment from 28 Oct, which was two weeks ago. So, I'll ask you again, when did Daboll throw DJ under the bus LAST week?
Also, your quote from the Pitt is taken out-of-context; while he did acknowledge the ONE missed play, he heaped praise on DJ as well:
"Daboll also defended quarterback Daniel Jones, praising his leadership and resilience despite the tough game. He acknowledged Jones' efforts but emphasized that the team collectively needed to improve in critical moments to avoid costly mistakes�"
That doesn't sound like throwing DJ under the bus to me; it sounds like more coach speak to me.
Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 01:00:11 PMLock is worse. DeVito will win games.
Will that be a good thing
Quote from: AZGiantFan on November 10, 2024, 01:54:02 PMWill that be a good thing
Good in that we should have higher draft position to get the QB Daboll wants.
Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 01:50:00 PMI think it's you that's confused;: you explicitly said that Daboll threw DJ under the bus LAST week. Last week the Giants played Washington; I literally provided you the post game conference. You posted a comment from 28 Oct, which was two weeks ago. So, I'll ask you again, when did Daboll throw DJ under the bus LAST week?
Also, your quote from the Pitt is taken out-of-context; while he did acknowledge the ONE missed play, he heaped praise on DJ as well:
"Daboll also defended quarterback Daniel Jones, praising his leadership and resilience despite the tough game. He acknowledged Jones' efforts but emphasized that the team collectively needed to improve in critical moments to avoid costly mistakes�"
That doesn't sound like throwing DJ under the bus to me; it sounds like more coach speak to me.
So it was two weeks ago, not one; what difference exactly does that make?
Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 01:57:00 PMGood in that we should have higher draft position to get the QB Daboll wants.
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My thought as well. Just clarifying.
Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 01:57:00 PMGood in that we should have higher draft position to get the QB Daboll wants.
The only games the Giants might be favored going forward is the Saints and Colts (MAYBE). At best, I see two possible wins in the next 8 games. Is 4-13 good enough to secure a QB? I don't believe their bad enough to lose all 8.
Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 01:57:00 PMGood in that we should have higher draft position to get the QB Daboll wants.
Tim
Based on what we saw in hard knocks with Daboll/Daniels...I would offer as some support they may choose to keep Daboll assuming he has the locker room and he feels strongly about a particular QB this off season
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 01:59:59 PMSo it was two weeks ago, not one; what difference exactly does that make?
If you said two weeks ago, I would have acknowledged the comment as I was aware of it. Still, that's hardly throwing DJ under the bus; that one comment doesn't negate the overwhelming positive comments Daboll made on DJ's behalf. To classify the Monday Night post game press conference as "throwing DJ under the bus" is intellectually dishonest, IMO. Daboll, like 100% of all HCs, has been protective of his starting QB, say for one or two statements. Par for the course...
I too had enough of Danny Ooops.
Quote from: kingm56 on November 10, 2024, 02:04:17 PMIf you said two weeks ago, I would have acknowledged the comment as I was aware of it. Still, that's hardly throwing DJ under the bus; that one comment doesn't negate the overwhelming positive comments Daboll made on DJ's behalf. To classify the Monday Night post game press conference as "throwing DJ under the bus" is intellectually dishonest, IMO. Daboll, like 100% of all HCs, has been protective of his starting QB, say for one or two statements. Par for the course...
To believe the specious claims, one needs to ignore that what Daboll did was so unusual, that it inspired commentary and articles in the football pundit community, like the one I posted. Someone listening to your claims would incorrectly believe that what Daboll did was common place, which it is not. Once an HC throws one of his players under the bus, you were incorrect to assume any time he doesn't blame the player; it must be "coach speak," as we witnessed that Daboll is willing to publicly blame his quarterback when he believes he was wrong.
Quote from: LennG on November 10, 2024, 01:23:14 PMWhy? It was a great call. We simply have a QB who can't capitalize on this play.
I am inclined to agree, Lenn. He simply didn't "see" two guys who were wide open. Quite clearly Daboll knows that, but his decision to suggest otherwise confirms my belief that they won't be changing the QB, as they should, any time soon.
Cheers!
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 10, 2024, 01:28:24 PMWe all don't have to agree on it, but I think it's fair to question that play call on 3rd and 1 when you have a ineffective QB and an OL that has given up 16 sacks in last 4 games.
It's reasonable to think that a trick play that takes a long time to develop and requires a QB to make an accurate read + a good throw was less likely to succeed than a running play.
Daboll delusionally had a moment were he thought he could pull tricks out of his sleeve and forgot the ineptitude that surrounds a Jones run offense
Quote from: babywhales on November 10, 2024, 02:35:26 PMDaboll delusionally had a moment were he thought he could pull tricks out of his sleeve and forgot the ineptitude that surrounds a Jones run offense
Exactly. Why keep a coach that continues to believe in a team that is not good and not disciplined.
2-8 really after three years.
At end of day blame any player you want but the buck stops with head coach because his has been responsible for the product he puts on the field. Period and after three years it should be better.
What makes anyone think it will be different (better) if he continues to coach....again he is the guy sticking with Jones and all the other players on this team.team is very indisciplined on the small things they do game after game.
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Just asking - did anyone post the stats for DJ at half time and at the gun? I wasn't in the game thread too much. But interesting to see if they did.
Happy to wait for it...
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on November 10, 2024, 04:41:54 PMJust asking - did anyone post the stats for DJ at half time and at the gun? I wasn't in the game thread too much. But interesting to see if they did.
Happy to wait for it...
If you mean the usual poster who normally does it every five minutes or so until his stats start to turn for the worse, no, he wasn't active today. Must have been busy.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 04:52:14 PMIf you mean the usual poster who normally does it every five minutes or so until his stats start to turn for the worse, no, he wasn't active today. Must have been busy.
Cool.
Cheers, mate. Thought so.
https://x.com/FrancesaPodcast/status/1855722166559654027
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 05:00:35 PMhttps://x.com/FrancesaPodcast/status/1855722166559654027
When has he ever looked found is a better question.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 10, 2024, 05:02:48 PMWhen has he ever looked found is a better question.
And the more pertinent point.
To me he simply looks like a backup. Nothing wrong with that
Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 05:07:40 PMTo me he simply looks like a backup. Nothing wrong with that
No return on investment for £40mil.
It's a pretty big problem
Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 05:07:40 PMTo me he simply looks like a backup. Nothing wrong with that
I'd argue there kind of is something wrong with that when you're paying that player $40mm/yr.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 06:20:18 PMI'd argue there kind of is something wrong with that when you're paying that player $40mm/yr.
I was just referring to his talent level in the NFL - not what we are paying him
IIRC DJ has always looked a bit lost. Maybe it's me but I seem to recall he could throw better when he actually found a receiver open. I just don't recall him being very good at reading defenses or finding open receivers.
Edit: It now seems like he can no longer hit open receivers even when he finds them.
As much as I have liked and supported Daniel Jones through much of his now 6 seasons/ 69 games, it now is clear to me that he does not have the skill, instinct or ability to be a successful NFL Quarterback. To the extent that questions about Daboll as a HC/ Play caller adds doubt in that regard, I find it unfortunate and unconstructive. And so, I would hope that the decision-making would prioritize and proceed one step at time and appropriately.
Cheers!
Are they allowed to announce the are cutting him on Black Monday or do they have to wait for a window to open sometime after the Super Bowl?
What Francesa is saying is correct. On one hand yes I believe he lacks the overall skill set. On the other hand he has regressed to the point that it looks like he has no idea what's going on out there. Can't complete simple passes or covert plays that any other QB can. He's completely broken.
It's really difficult to understand why Daniel Jones has fallen off. He used to be such a great player <sarcasm>
https://x.com/NFLonCBS/status/1855697454668423661?t=5GIIWkj_mEPeYABjZzWpiA&s=19
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on November 10, 2024, 07:48:48 PMIt's really difficult to understand why Daniel Jones has fallen off. He used to be such a great player <sarcasm>
https://x.com/NFLonCBS/status/1855697454668423661?t=5GIIWkj_mEPeYABjZzWpiA&s=19
Never great but never to point of being this ridiculous. Almost refuses to play the position.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on November 10, 2024, 07:48:48 PMIt's really difficult to understand why Daniel Jones has fallen off. He used to be such a great player <sarcasm>
https://x.com/NFLonCBS/status/1855697454668423661?t=5GIIWkj_mEPeYABjZzWpiA&s=19
Well, if we had a great OL
If we had WRs who could gain separation
If we had a decent running game
If we had a better OC
If we had coaches who knew what they were doing
If we had players who weren't dropping so many passes
If we had, well, you get the point.
Where is Ted when we need more excuses for Jones? As we have said, the one constant is not all of these things, it it Jones himself. Every year is a prove-it year, and all he has ever proved is he can't play QB in the NFL at any sort of high level.
Quote from: LennG on November 10, 2024, 08:00:21 PMWell, if we had a great OL
If we had WRs who could gain separation
If we had a decent running game
If we had a better OC
If we had coaches who knew what they were doing
If we had players who weren't dropping so many passes
If we had, well, you get the point.
Where is Ted when we need more excuses for Jones? As we have said, the one constant is not all of these things, it it Jones himself. Every year is a prove-it year, and all he has ever proved is he can't play QB in the NFL at any sort of high level.
I'm looking forward to SXDX Monday Jones post. He usually shows reason to have hope but I'm not sure there is any left.
He's getting paid $40 Million to really suck at his job. Think about that.
Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 08:11:31 PMI'm looking forward to SXDX Monday Jones post. He usually shows reason to have hope but I'm not sure there is any left.
There hasnt been an sxd post for like 6 weeks
Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 08:11:31 PMI'm looking forward to SXDX Monday Jones post. He usually shows reason to have hope but I'm not sure there is any left.
Last week, I was going to post DJ's numbers from the Washington game, 119 RTG 73.9 QBR, but it was bothering some people, especially when he had a good game, so I didn't do it.
Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 10:16:06 PMThere hasnt been an sxd post for like 6 weeks
I was going to post DJ's numbers last week from the Washington game, 20/26 176 yards 2 TD 0 Int 119 RTG 73.9 QBR, plus an additional 57 yards rushing. But when I would share it, it would bother you and make you upset, so I stopped.
Quote from: files58 on November 10, 2024, 10:13:34 PMHe's getting paid $40 Million to really suck at his job. Think about that.
John Mara felt bad for his golden child and sold himself on the concept that Danny Boy was just the victim of circumstance (due to the very coaches Mara himself hired). Mara paid Jones to appease his own ego that he hadn't tossed away years of the franchise by hiring Gettleman, instead failing to understand that Daboll won Coach of the Year for hiding Jones behind Barkley. Jones got paid because Mara wanted him to be the guy and not because he ever demonstrated himself worthy of that title.
Well, Daboll is now saying they will "evaluate" all positions, including QB. "Evaluate", in these circumstances, is the kiss of death. DJ will not play another down for the Giants.
Quote from: Gman329 on November 10, 2024, 11:42:26 PMWell, Daboll is now saying they will "evaluate" all positions, including QB. "Evaluate", in these circumstances, is the kiss of death. DJ will not play another down for the Giants.
When did he say that? Got a link?
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on November 10, 2024, 07:48:48 PMIt's really difficult to understand why Daniel Jones has fallen off. He used to be such a great player <sarcasm>
https://x.com/NFLonCBS/status/1855697454668423661?t=5GIIWkj_mEPeYABjZzWpiA&s=19
When you look at Daboll's career managing QBs, it's pretty clear QBs performing worse is the norm
https://giantsfans.net/message_board/index.php?topic=71340.0
I actually wonder if Schoen and Daboll will keep putting Jones out there because they know he acts as a lightning rod that will distract the pundits and fans from their many shortcomings
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 11, 2024, 09:23:48 AMI actually wonder if Schoen and Daboll will keep putting Jones out there because they know he acts as a lightning rod that will distract the pundits and fans from their many shortcomings
They need to evaluate the rest of that Offense with a different QB. Of course, their backup situation is not good, otherwise Jones would have been pulled by now. That's on Schoen. Drew Lock has had ten games to prepare, so I hope he can not make this the disaster it was with Glennon.
This is a conversation that has to take place with the Owner. If they haven't done so already. The injury clause is the big issue looming here.
It's just so frustrating with Jones because you don't know which player is coming on the field. His enigmatic inconsistency is astounding. Yesterday it was more than just the turnovers, it was poor anticipation and throwing behind Receivers and to the ground in some cases.
If they leave him in there for no better reason than to protect their jobs, then they don't deserve their jobs. Mara might just strongly suggest that they give Jones the season to work through this and not be concerned about cap implications. That's a very real scenario. I don't agree with it because I'd like to see what Nabors and Hyatt and Theo can do with a gun slinger.
Quote from: Ed Vette on November 11, 2024, 09:39:51 AMThey need to evaluate the rest of that Offense with a different QB. Of course, their backup situation is not good, otherwise Jones would have been pulled by now. That's on Schoen. Drew Lock has had ten games to prepare, so I hope he can not make this the disaster it was with Glennon.
This is a conversation that has to take place with the Owner. If they haven't done so already. The injury clause is the big issue looming here.
It's just so frustrating with Jones because you don't know which player is coming on the field. His enigmatic inconsistency is astounding. Yesterday it was more than just the turnovers, it was poor anticipation and throwing behind Receivers and to the ground in some cases.
If they leave him in there for no better reason than to protect their jobs, then they don't deserve their jobs. Mara might just strongly suggest that they give Jones the season to work through this and not be concerned about cap implications. That's a very real scenario. I don't agree with it because I'd like to see what Nabors and Hyatt and Theo can do with a gun slinger.
At this point, I would think Mara is more focused on the team losing to the assumed worst team in the league than he is on Daniel Jones. From everything I have seen from Mara, he is more about winning and losing than he is about his loyalty and fondness for his players
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 11, 2024, 09:55:03 AMAt this point, I would think Mara is more focused on the team losing to the assumed worst team in the league than he is on Daniel Jones. From everything I have seen from Mara, he is more about winning and losing than he is about his loyalty and fondness for his players
I wasn't talking in terms of loyalty. There would be two factors if they still believe that Jones gives them the best chance of winning through continuity and skill set.
The two areas we continue to work on, well actually three: 3rd downs, red zone and explosive plays
It is hard to generate points when your longest play is 14 yards or your longest play is 15 yards last week
We put a lot of time and effort and we are not getting the results , not for the work and effort we are putting in
Coach Daboll seems frustrated with what is holding back the offense
Ya gotta give DJ his props and then sit him down.
He's taken a hellacious beating over the years. Yes, I think it's made him gun-shy in the pocket, but he still puts his body on the line when he takes off with the ball.
For the team's own good and for his own good, it's time to give him a well-deserved rest.
I've reached the point where I simply root for players to get out of the game with their faculties still intact. I'm rooting for Jones to do the same.
Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 11:45:28 PMWhen did he say that? Got a link?
Sorry, just seeing this and I'm unable to copy a link on my phone....but if you Google "Daboll: We will evaluate" a bunch of links come up.