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You can clearly hear "Get rid of Daniel Jones, play Drew Lock".
Quote from: AYM on November 16, 2024, 01:39:37 PM"Get rid of Daniel Jones, play Drew Lock".
Schoen was planning on playing Jones for at least four more games, but upon hearing that, he changed his plans, and Jones will be benched immediately. :D
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From what I just watched of this Sanders kid and the awareness and throws he made over the LB and the dump off touch passes, I'm sold.
Let Jones keep playing and continue to stink up the joint. Do whatever it takes to get the Sanders kid.
Quote from: Trench on November 16, 2024, 03:51:32 PMFrom what I just watched of this Sanders kid and the awareness and throws he made over the LB and the dump off touch passes, I'm sold.
Let Jones keep playing and continue to stink up the joint. Do whatever it takes to get the Sanders kid.
For all we know, the knuckleheads were scouting Travis Hunter, because Daniel Jones just needs another weapon. They can even save money on a DB. 😂
I've watched quite a bit of film on Sanders and he's got it. The only thing is we need to see him against top competition and pressure. Then of course there is the XXXXXXX factor which has been played up quite a bit. How would Mr. Mara feel about that? Hmmmm
Errrrrr, yeah, that is not where I would be scouting players, quarterback especially.
Deion Sanders would be absolute poison to this organization. And it goes without saying that if you draft his kid, you're also signing up for a fatal dose of him.
No thanks.
Quote from: y_so_blu on November 17, 2024, 02:41:04 PMErrrrrr, yeah, that is not where I would be scouting players, quarterback especially.
Deion Sanders would be absolute poison to this organization. And it goes without saying that if you draft his kid, you're also signing up for a fatal dose of him.
No thanks.
Poison? How many Super Bowl rings does he have? Not to mention how he turned around a dreadful Colorado program into a bowl team. Eliminate the kid because of his successful father and you get more Giant losing. Backwards thinking.
Quote from: y_so_blu on November 17, 2024, 02:41:04 PMErrrrrr, yeah, that is not where I would be scouting players, quarterback especially.
Deion Sanders would be absolute poison to this organization. And it goes without saying that if you draft his kid, you're also signing up for a fatal dose of him.
No thanks.
To be fair, there is also a possibility the kid could make the organization a TON of $$$$ in advertising and marketing etc. in todays NFL that's another component to consider
This is exactly the problem with the Giants and maybe some of their fans. They would rather take the bland, safe, QB prospect than the more talented one with swagger.
Good thing Schoen and Daboll aren't scared of moxy and swagger, just look at Thibs and Nabers. They were loud but looked at like dominate Dawgs on the field. If it's one thing this organization needs is Dawgs with ice water in their veins.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 17, 2024, 03:53:29 PMGood thing Schoen and Daboll aren't scared of moxy and swagger, just look at Thibs and Nabers. They were loud but looked at like dominate Dawgs on the field. If it's one thing this organization needs is Dawgs with ice water in their veins.
Thibodeaux and Nabers are one thing, but drafting a QB gets into that whole "face of the franchise" business that Mara injects himself into quite a bit. I don't know if he'd go for Sanders.
Quote from: Trench on November 17, 2024, 03:19:14 PMTo be fair, there is also a possibility the kid could make the organization a TON of $$$$ in advertising and marketing etc. in todays NFL that's another component to consider
Why should we, as fans, give a sh*t about marketing and advertising? It's this type of thinking that has allowed Mara to look at his greatly increased team valuation of late and consider the last decade to have been a success.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 17, 2024, 07:32:07 PMWhy should we, as fans, give a sh*t about marketing and advertising? It's this type of thinking that has allowed Mara to look at his greatly increased team valuation of late and consider the last decade to have been a success.
I was simply pointing out it could be another reason for the organization to go after the kid with flair is all
I get it. I get so worked up about it because it gets at the heart of one of this organization's biggest issues.
Let's worry about putting a winning product on the field before we worry about marketing.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 17, 2024, 08:38:56 PMI get it. I get so worked up about it because it gets at the heart of one of this organization's biggest issues.
Let's worry about putting a winning product on the field before we worry about marketing.
I'm only saying marketing could be an intangible in one player vs another in terms of drafting if there is equal ability
Quote from: AYM on November 17, 2024, 07:23:50 PMThibodeaux and Nabers are one thing, but drafting a QB gets into that whole "face of the franchise" business that Mara injects himself into quite a bit. I don't know if he'd go for Sanders.
He wouldn't. Mara just wants to find another Eli.
Quote from: TDToomer on November 17, 2024, 03:19:23 PMThis is exactly the problem with the Giants and maybe some of their fans. They would rather take the bland, safe, QB prospect than the more talented one with swagger.
Didn't Johnny Manziel have tons of swagger?
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 18, 2024, 07:17:44 AMDidn't Johnny Manziel have tons of swagger?
Didn't Joe Namath have tons of swagger? Some swagger with success. Others don't. The point is you don't pick someone for their swagger. And you don't not pick them because of their swagger.
Quote from: katkavage on November 18, 2024, 07:20:40 AMDidn't Joe Namath have tons of swagger? Some swagger with success. Others don't. The point is you don't pick someone for their swagger. And you don't not pick them because of their swagger.
I don't think there is anyone not picking a QB because of their swagger. Rather I think people are conflating swagger with outside issues and questionable behavior, which can't make it more challenging for a QB to achieve success.
Mayfield is an excellent QB so I am not sure if what the downside of his swagger is. The Browns are in QB hell again after foolishly giving up on him.
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 18, 2024, 07:23:08 AMI don't think there is anyone not picking a QB because of their swagger. Rather I think people are conflating swagger with outside issues and questionable behavior, which can't make it more challenging for a QB to achieve success.
From what I know now, none of the top QBs have outside issues or questionable behavior.
Quote from: katkavage on November 18, 2024, 08:57:21 AMFrom what I know now, none of the top QBs have outside issues or questionable behavior.
I have heard reports about Sanders that were less than ideal
It's not really about swagger for me. I wouldn't mind our players showing more spirit on the field, as long as they're actually backing it up of course.
But in Shedeur's case he could be a total saint and his father would still be a liability, trying to "help" at every turn and trailing a media circus behind him. The guy's a weapon of mass distraction.
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 18, 2024, 08:58:39 AMI have heard reports about Sanders that were less than ideal
The smears begin and the Giants fall for them all the time.
Quote from: y_so_blu on November 18, 2024, 09:04:17 AMIt's not really about swagger for me. I wouldn't mind our players showing more spirit on the field, as long as they're actually backing it up of course.
But in Shedeur's case he could be a total saint and his father would still be a liability, trying to "help" at every turn and trailing a media circus behind him. The guy's a weapon of mass distraction.
What is Colorado's record this year? Boy Daddy is truly destroying that team. The Giants need to ignore meaningless background noise and pick the best option. Until they learn to do that they will continue to be a laughingstock franchise.
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 18, 2024, 08:58:39 AMI have heard reports about Sanders that were less than ideal
Oh yeah? Like what.
Quote from: y_so_blu on November 18, 2024, 09:04:17 AMIt's not really about swagger for me. I wouldn't mind our players showing more spirit on the field, as long as they're actually backing it up of course.
But in Shedeur's case he could be a total saint and his father would still be a liability, trying to "help" at every turn and trailing a media circus behind him. The guy's a weapon of mass distraction.
Have you considered that Deion Sanders, a Hall of Fame player and an excellent college coach, whose sons are outstanding football players and young men, might know something about the game of football and about player development, probably more than the entire current Giants Front Office combined, and wouldn't be a liability at all? Or are your preconceptions and stereotypes just too much to overcome?
Quote from: katkavage on November 18, 2024, 09:18:28 AMWhat is Colorado's record this year? Boy Daddy is truly destroying that team. The Giants need to ignore meaningless background noise and pick the best option. Until they learn to do that they will continue to be a laughingstock franchise.
It's not the Giants it's half their fanbase is stuck in the last century. That's how we end up with a nice and boring guy like Daniel Jones.
Quote from: BlueMoshik on November 18, 2024, 09:19:55 AMOh yeah? Like what.
https://x.com/firstroundmock/status/1840190843698696445
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 18, 2024, 12:50:32 PMhttps://x.com/firstroundmock/status/1840190843698696445
LOL I thought you actually had reports on "character issues".
Thanks for that, I actually like the guy more than before. O my God, a player who shows passion and fight on the field, hates losing, and speaks his mind at pressers. God forbid the Giants should draft someone like that. They should definitely draft another robot like Daniel Jones.
Quote from: BlueMoshik on November 18, 2024, 01:31:05 PMLOL I thought you actually had reports on "character issues".
Thanks for that, I actually like the guy more than before. O my God, a player who shows passion and fight on the field, hates losing, and speaks his mind at pressers. God forbid the Giants should draft someone like that. They should definitely draft another robot like Daniel Jones.
There are things a rank-and-file player can do, but that's not an issue. When a QB, who is supposed to be a team leader, does the same things, it's not a good thing.
Look, you asked for concerns, that Tweet gave you 10. Do what those 10 issue what you will.
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 18, 2024, 01:34:56 PMThere are things a rank-and-file player can do, but that's not an issue. When a QB, who is supposed to be a team leader, does the same things, it's not a good thing.
Look, you asked for concerns, that Tweet gave you 10. Do what those 10 issue what you will.
That tweet gave me no concerns at all. Or "issues". I think its the preconceptions that give some people "concerns" by making these things seem much bigger than they are. And I didn't see anything in those "incidents" that made me think the guy wouldn't be a first-rate QB in the NFL.
Quote from: BlueMoshik on November 18, 2024, 01:41:44 PMThat tweet gave me no concerns at all. Or "issues". I think its the preconceptions that give some people "concerns" by making these things seem much bigger than they are. And I didn't see anything in those "incidents" that made me think the guy wouldn't be a first-rate QB in the NFL.
Remember this is the same fanbase that got cold feat on a QB who once rearranged Christmas decorations into sexual positions, not the fact that he wasn't top 10 overall talent.
Quote from: TDToomer on November 18, 2024, 01:53:00 PMRemember this is the same fanbase that got cold feat on a QB who once rearranged Christmas decorations into sexual positions, not the fact that he wasn't top 10 overall talent.
And the infamous "SoB" comment from Trump and Beckham's reaction to the comment.
Schoen's had 3 top 10 picks and spent $350M+ in guaranteed contracts over the last 2 years. (Among the most in the NFL.)
The resource outlay has been insane.
Knowing Jones wasn't the guy, he should've re-signed Barkley and McKinney AND drafted Nabers AND traded for Burns. Tight cap? Sure. But the strategy is strong roster/rookie QB offsetting costs. You don't make a bad roster better by swapping out good players.
Wondering why the Giants O isn't any better with Nabers? They lost Barkley and Waller. Giants D no better with Burns? They lost Wink and McKinney.
Schoen isn't building anything. He's treading water.
Quote from: 4 Aces on November 18, 2024, 08:55:12 PMSchoen's had 3 top 10 picks and spent $350M+ in guaranteed contracts over the last 2 years. (Among the most in the NFL.)
The resource outlay has been insane.
Knowing Jones wasn't the guy, he should've re-signed Barkley and McKinney AND drafted Nabers AND traded for Burns. Tight cap? Sure. But the strategy is strong roster/rookie QB offsetting costs. You don't make a bad roster better by swapping out good players.
Wondering why the Giants O isn't any better with Nabers? They lost Barkley and Waller. Giants D no better with Burns? They lost Wink and McKinney.
Schoen isn't building anything. He's treading water.
Most were so so on resigning McKinney. He was becoming a little bit of a distraction (in my opinion). The biggest mistake that changed our defense to me was allowing Julian Love to leave. He added a lot of leadership and played very well for us
Quote from: Trench on November 18, 2024, 10:43:15 PMMost were so so on resigning McKinney. He was becoming a little bit of a distraction (in my opinion). The biggest mistake that changed our defense to me was allowing Julian Love to leave. He added a lot of leadership and played very well for us
So you abide by the "shut up and dribble" mentality which leads to our best players walking away for not being a robot. Could you imagine of Parsons was a Giants? 75% of this fanbase would be screaming for him to be cut or traded.
Quote from: TDToomer on November 19, 2024, 09:06:09 AMSo you abide by the "shut up and dribble" mentality which leads to our best players walking away for not being a robot. Could you imagine of Parsons was a Giants? 75% of this fanbase would be screaming for him to be cut or traded.
Fair point. I guess you can say I'm in somewhere in the middle.
Quote from: 4 Aces on November 18, 2024, 08:55:12 PMSchoen's had 3 top 10 picks and spent $350M+ in guaranteed contracts over the last 2 years. (Among the most in the NFL.)
The resource outlay has been insane.
Knowing Jones wasn't the guy, he should've re-signed Barkley and McKinney AND drafted Nabers AND traded for Burns. Tight cap? Sure. But the strategy is strong roster/rookie QB offsetting costs. You don't make a bad roster better by swapping out good players.
Wondering why the Giants O isn't any better with Nabers? They lost Barkley and Waller. Giants D no better with Burns? They lost Wink and McKinney.
Schoen isn't building anything. He's treading water.
Bleeding talent is often the effectively hidden issue with a team's overall roster building. Everyone focuses on the draft and free-agent acquisitions, but there is a natural tendency not to focus all that much on the players no longer on the roster (unless they are very high profile like Barkley). When you consider how challenging it is to hit on pro-bowl-level talent in either the draft or free agency, one can see how bleed talent leads to "treading water" (or worse) rather than moving forward.
That's right MightyGiants. Treading water might be an improvement. If you're simply swapping out good players for new good players AND your draft picks aren't developing AND you're losing good coaches, you sink.
Schoen's taken a massive swing at this thing and the boat's sinking. He showed his inexperience big time and the PC looked like a man feeling the pressure.
Quote from: 4 Aces on November 19, 2024, 02:48:48 PMThat's right MightyGiants. Treading water might be an improvement. If you're simply swapping out good players for new good players AND your draft picks aren't developing AND you're losing good coaches, you sink.
Schoen's taken a massive swing at this thing and the boat's sinking. He showed his inexperience big time and the PC looked like a man feeling the pressure.
Are we so sure the boat is sinking?
Offensively, we have better talent and aside from Thomas (which is a huge loss) we have remained pretty healthy.
We haven't missed Saquon's production as we've seen promise from Tracy. We've also seen a few bright spots from the TE.
Defense has been up and down and needs to be stabilized.
I agree with Schoen that we have a roster to be more competitive that our record shows. The cupboard isn't bare my any means but we do need more pieces to start and for depth.
Quote from: T200 on November 19, 2024, 03:03:42 PMAre we so sure the boat is sinking?
Offensively, we have better talent and aside from Thomas (which is a huge loss) we have remained pretty healthy.
We haven't missed Saquon's production as we've seen promise from Tracy. We've also seen a few bright spots from the TE.
Defense has been up and down and needs to be stabilized.
I agree with Schoen that we have a roster to be more competitive that our record shows. The cupboard isn't bare my any means but we do need more pieces to start and for depth.
I agree 100%. But I'm sure, the person who has disagreed with me for the last 20 years will disagree with your comments also.
As I have said before, I am always a glass-half-empty guy and never jump on any bandwagon until I see it with my own eyes. What I do see on the Giants is the start of a core of players who we can win with. Our offense could be potent with a real NFL-caliber QB. We need a bit of an upgrade on the OL but we had WRs, we have a RB, and hopefully a TE. We do need some help on defense, but our DL is good, we have 2 maybe 3 good LBers and we have the makings of a decent defensive backfire ld. This is where we need to concentrate after solving the QB issue. With a real NFL-caliber QB, we can compete and, hopefully improve. Because of said QB, we have t he record we have, no ifs, ands or buts about it.
Quote from: T200 on November 19, 2024, 03:03:42 PMAre we so sure the boat is sinking?
Offensively, we have better talent and aside from Thomas (which is a huge loss) we have remained pretty healthy.
We haven't missed Saquon's production as we've seen promise from Tracy. We've also seen a few bright spots from the TE.
Defense has been up and down and needs to be stabilized.
I agree with Schoen that we have a roster to be more competitive that our record shows. The cupboard isn't bare my any means but we do need more pieces to start and for depth.
Quote from: LennG on November 19, 2024, 05:04:17 PMI agree 100%. But I'm sure, the person who has disagreed with me for the last 20 years will disagree with your comments also.
As I have said before, I am always a glass-half-empty guy and never jump on any bandwagon until I see it with my own eyes. What I do see on the Giants is the start of a core of players who we can win with. Our offense could be potent with a real NFL-caliber QB. We need a bit of an upgrade on the OL but we had WRs, we have a RB, and hopefully a TE. We do need some help on defense, but our DL is good, we have 2 maybe 3 good LBers and we have the makings of a decent defensive backfire ld. This is where we need to concentrate after solving the QB issue. With a real NFL-caliber QB, we can compete and, hopefully improve. Because of said QB, we have t he record we have, no ifs, ands or buts about it.
I agree with ya'll
NFL Caliber QB gets us competing
There will be needs at RG, Swing, DT, and CB, and they will need to replace Azeez, Slayton, and Pinnock also (I imagine they can resign Pinnock reasonably)
But they have FA and the draft will have more than the QB pick, maybe we get a comp or two? we can address more of these holes/needs, or add depth elsewhere.
Get the QB and we are an offseason away from being a real team.