https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1858903031363833872
I heard a lot of speculation that this was a nod to DeVito's popularity with the fans and perhaps boosted fan attendance and interest. Others speculated that this was an effort to tank without being flagrant in the efforts.
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 19, 2024, 11:13:08 AMhttps://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1858903031363833872
I heard a lot of speculation that this was a nod to DeVito's popularity with the fans and perhaps boosted fan attendance and interest. Others speculated that this was an effort to tank without being flagrant in the efforts.
Schneier is simply wrong. Anyone who watched closely clearly realized and saw firsthand Devito moved the ball easier and learned from his mistakes in real time (yes he made plenty). The Giants were definitely better last year under Devito. To say it was basically only because the defense made turnovers is a bit ridiculous.
Actually it's stupid.
Quote from: Trench on November 19, 2024, 12:33:11 PMSchneier is simply wrong. Anyone who watched closely clearly realized and saw firsthand Devito moved the ball easier and learned from his mistakes in real time (yes he made plenty). The Giants were definitely better last year under Devito. To say it was basically only because the defense made turnovers is a bit ridiculous.
Actually it's stupid.
In fairness, offensive EPA is not Schneier's opinion; it's a metric that many football people value. So unless you consider "EPA" a "ridiculous" measure, I am not sure how you can say pointing to that metric is "ridiculous"
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 19, 2024, 12:57:21 PMIn fairness, offensive EPA is not Schneier's opinion; it's a metric that many football people value. So unless you consider "EPA" a "ridiculous" measure, I am not sure how you can say pointing to that metric is "ridiculous"
No idea what all that means. But to suggest Devito succeeded because of his defense generating turnovers in his second sentence is absolutely 100% RIDICULOUS
Quote from: Trench on November 19, 2024, 01:00:21 PMNo idea what all that means. But to suggest Devito succeeded because of his defense generating turnovers in his second sentence is absolutely 100% RIDICULOUS
"If you win the turnover battle, it puts you in a better position to win". Tom Coughlin
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 19, 2024, 01:02:49 PM"If you win the turnover battle, it puts you in a better position to win". Tom Coughlin
Yes ....but to suggest a starting QB won in the NFL only BECAUSE of his defense generating turnovers is absolutely abhorrent and utterly disrespectful!
I don't know the guys body of work but I'll label him a hack now
Quote from: Trench on November 19, 2024, 01:08:02 PMYes ....but to suggest a starting QB won in the NFL only BECAUSE of his defense generating turnovers is absolutely abhorrent and utterly disrespectful!
I don't know the guys body of work but I'll label him a hack now
In fairness, even mediocre QBs have trouble losing if the defense generates 6 turnovers.
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 19, 2024, 01:10:12 PMIn fairness, even mediocre QBs have trouble losing if the defense generates 6 turnovers.
By this metric, anybody on the planet can be a starting QB on a given day and win.
It's utterly ridiculous to suggest in print that a QB won games only because of his defense. The guy shouldn't be given any sort of platform.
Quote from: Trench on November 19, 2024, 01:15:15 PMBy this metric, anybody on the planet can be a starting QB on a given day and win.
It's utterly ridiculous to suggest in print that a QB won games only because of his defense. The guy shouldn't be given any sort of platform.
To be frank, I can't say I am on board with using a team's wins and losses as a QB metric
Tommy Boy was benched for Tyrod Taylor for a reason. His last two games he was horrible. I sure hope he elevated his game. My guess is we see Drew Lock soon enough. At least he's on par with DJ.
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 19, 2024, 01:16:24 PMTo be frank, I can't say I am on board with using a team's wins and losses as a QB metric
Hall of Famers Al Davis and Bill Parcells would disagree with you. As will I. If Devito wins this weekend and doesn't have great stats he still gets credit in my book. Conversely, If he looses and has great stats he still shoulders blame in my book.
Quote from: Trench on November 19, 2024, 01:19:41 PMHall of Famers Al Davis and Bill Parcells would disagree with you. As will I. If Devito wins this weekend and doesn't have great stats he still gets credit in my book. Conversely, If he looses and has great stats he still shoulders blame in my book.
I am sure there are people, even quality football minds, who may disagree with me. While I appreciate that QB is the most important single position, I am mindful that there are well over 21 other players who play important roles in a team's success or failure. We need only look at Eli Manning and his two Super Bowl rings and the nose dive the team took after his miracle 2011 Super Bowl run (who was only around 31 when he got his second ring) to see that quality of the QB and win totals don't always match.
What is interesting to me, is many here say how DJ needed support, OL, #1 WR, etc
Why has not one person acknowledged that DeVito too now has a #1 WR? Maybe he will be alot better with one, the OL now is still better than last years too.
No Andrew Thomas hurts any QB but especially a young QB. But yes I am looking for better things out of Devito with Nabers and Theo along with Hyatt.
Will the Brass give away free Pepsis again to those lucky fans Sunday? Or a free slice of pizza for Cutlets.. .sicilian??
Quote from: MrGap92 on November 19, 2024, 02:30:59 PMWhat is interesting to me, is many here say how DJ needed support, OL, #1 WR, etc
Why has not one person acknowledged that DeVito too now has a #1 WR? Maybe he will be alot better with one, the OL now is still better than last years too.
fair point
If I had to guess as to why DeVito over Lock. I would say it could be one of these four things: 1) Long eval for Devito to shape what they do next year in case they cant get or don't like any of the draft 2) They saw how bad Lock was against the Eagles and decided they'd rather not make everyone puke by watching that. 3) DeVito has looked much better in practice than Lock. 4) DeVito has the cult-like following and figure we could all use that entertainment in this lost season.
I think there's more of a chance DeVito will be with them next season than Lock. There's also the chance DeVito begins next season as the starter if they draft a QB.
Quote from: coggs on November 19, 2024, 05:45:00 PMIf I had to guess as to why DeVito over Lock. I would say it could be one of these four things: 1) Long eval for Devito to shape what they do next year in case they cant get or don't like any of the draft 2) They saw how bad Lock was against the Eagles and decided they'd rather not make everyone puke by watching that. 3) DeVito has looked much better in practice than Lock. 4) DeVito has the cult-like following and figure we could all use that entertainment in this lost season.
I think it's mainly 2 and 3. I think Lock has looked appallingly bad both in the preseason and the Eagles game, possibly even worse than Jones.
DeVito on the other hand, while obviously not the second coming of Joe Montana, has not looked nearly as bad. He's been a bit more game manager-ish. And while I understand people are attributing some of the Giants' fleeting 2023 success under DeVito to the defensive turnovers, DeVito's actual passing numbers are better than Lock's, which are downright horrendous.
I have no idea why we even brought Lock over. I understand we needed a backup, but he's not worth $5m. He's terrible. There are guys out there who are not on active NFL rosters who are better.
Aye fughedaboutit...whoa.
We will get to see Cutlets agent in full wiseguy attire Sunday? Bobby thought at first he was in the Mafia, but he sure looks the part.
:P
DeVito has a cache with the media and a lot of fans, but went pfft fairly quickly after starting and got whacked too much with sacks..ooooh
:dance:
I am not sure the whole local Italian boy makes good will play again. It sounds like DeVito wants to be less of a sideshow this go around.
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 19, 2024, 08:03:00 PMI am not sure the whole local Italian boy makes good will play again. It sounds like DeVito wants to be less of a sideshow this go around.
Rich,
Fair enough. I hope that silliness will be curtailed. But will see.
https://x.com/gregp_j/status/1859326243793240502
https://x.com/TalkinGiants/status/1859325718456361338
https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1859324608236720135