https://x.com/GiantInsider/status/1858935830410117297
welp, there goes one of my favorite Twitter (football people) follows
https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1858933114900287626
Wow. Rodgers is cleaning house! ;) :P :laugh:
Quote from: T200 on November 19, 2024, 01:11:40 PMWow. Rodgers is cleaning house! ;) :P :laugh:
First player/coach/GM in NFL history! The man does it all! Does it poorly. But he does it nonetheless!
Quote from: Gmo11 on November 19, 2024, 01:14:27 PMFirst player/coach/GM in NFL history! The man does it all! Does it poorly. But he does it nonetheless!
He's probably gonna start calling plays next. :ok:
Quote from: Gmo11 on November 19, 2024, 01:14:27 PMFirst player/coach/GM in NFL history! The man does it all! Does it poorly. But he does it nonetheless!
:funnypost:
Leave it to the jets to make fan life bearable for Giant fans. Not wanting to be outdone by the Giants "firing" Jones the very next day Woody Rodgers takes it up a notch, and fires the GM. They are always a step or ten ahead of us in futility. Talk about schadenfreude. <:-P
Someone had to fill the void that Dan Synder left behind.
A Rodge calling the shots..never at him though. Speaking of shot..look in the mirror AR...back at ya.
:surrender:
The Giants and the Jets are having eerily similar bad seasons.
The difference is the Giants went into this season not being sure of how Jones would perform and weren't anticipating being really good.
The Jets came into the season thinking they were a potential Super Bowl contender.
Oddly enough, they will be going into the 2025 season with roughly the same cap space.
The difference is the Giants will be able to release DJ to pick up an extra $20+ million in cap space, while it would cost the Jets an extra $25 million in cap space to release Rodgers.
Quote from: MightyGiants on November 19, 2024, 02:10:14 PMThe Giants and the Jets are having eerily similar bad seasons.
The difference is the Giants went into this season not being sure of how Jones would perform and weren't anticipating being really good.
The Jets came into the season thinking they were a potential Super Bowl contender.
Oddly enough, they will be going into the 2025 season with roughly the same cap space.
The difference is the Giants will be able to release DJ to pick up an extra $20+ million in cap space, while it would cost the Jets an extra $25 million in cap space to release Rodgers.
Yes, the Jet are arguably are in worse space, but thats little consolation to me.Jets are reeling in spots..old Devante..Reddick is gone..offense line ancient in spots...and stuck with AR..and major issues with hiring a good staff with their chaos
But the Giants are also a mess...
It doesn't help the Giants situation but the Jets are an absolute disaster. Rodgers will be gone after this miserable season ends and they will be left with a 100% rebuild.
As poorly as the Jets have been managed (for ages), I think they did the correct thing in letting Douglas go today, as opposed to the end of the season.
With this season clearly over, the Jets need to start thinking about the offseason and focusing on prepping, scouting, and strategizing around their own roster and free agency. If you're 100% certain that you're not bringing your GM back next season, then it makes little sense to have him remaining in the senior leadership role of the day to day operations of the franchise, particularly as the front office moves more towards looking out to next year and beyond. It is better to just completely remove him from the building asap and make the interim GM someone you're not planning on necessarily also firing in the offseason.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 19, 2024, 07:16:45 PMAs poorly as the Jets have been managed (for ages), I think they did the correct thing in letting Douglas go today, as opposed to the end of the season.
With this season clearly over, the Jets need to start thinking about the offseason and focusing on prepping, scouting, and strategizing around their own roster and free agency. If you're 100% certain that you're not bringing your GM back next season, then it makes little sense to have him remaining in the senior leadership role of the day to day operations of the franchise, particularly as the front office moves more towards looking out to next year and beyond. It is better to just completely remove him from the building asap and make the interim GM someone you're not planning on necessarily also firing in the offseason.
To me, the Jet's mistake is going after Rodgers. At this point when the GM is fired is akin to deciding if you should also lock the barn door after shutting it post horse escape.
That said, I do agree with the idea of firing a GM sooner rather than later because it gives a team a head start.
Dave,
I agree letting Douglas go is prudent right now, but Woody simply usurped his power for Rodgers and clamoring fans, too..a de facto gm in their washed qb. Fish rots from the head and WJ is a clueless owner
Quote from: spiderblue43 on November 19, 2024, 08:01:57 PMDave,
I agree letting Douglas go is prudent right now, but Woody simply usurped his power for Rodgers and clamoring fans, too..a de facto gm in their washed qb. Fish rots from the head and WJ is a clueless owner
All of that is certainly true, Spider.
As a side but related point, I don't know that Rodgers has the godlike power over the organization today that he did up until this awful season got underway. I suspect his power and internal status has diminished somewhat in the past three months. I think he'll be brought back, but more because the economics of cutting him don't make sense, even with him being disappointing relative to expectations/hopes.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 19, 2024, 08:06:09 PMAll of that is certainly true, Spider.
As a side but related point, I don't know that Rodgers has the godlike power over the organization today that he did up until this awful season got underway. I suspect his power and internal status has diminished somewhat in the past three months. I think he'll be brought back, but more because the economics of cutting him don't make sense, even with him being disappointing relative to expectations/hopes.
Good point. Results matter. And Rodgers is done, a shell of himself. That is obvious and his cache is all but gone.
As is now reported in The Athletic:
The New York Jets fired general manager Joe Douglas on Tuesday, six weeks after the team fired coach Robert Saleh. According to multiple team sources who spoke to The Athletic about the team's inner workings, Woody Johnson suggested a more drastic move earlier in the season.
According to those sources, the day after the Jets' loss to the Denver Broncos on Sept. 29, there was a contentious meeting at the team facility. It included Johnson, Douglas, vice chairman Christopher Johnson, team president Hymie Elhai, and Ira Akselrad, an adviser to Johnson. It also included a group of coaches: Saleh, offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett, then-defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrich and special teams coordinator Brant Boyer among them.
The coaches had been called in to explain what happened with their units during the 10-9 home loss to the Broncos. During the meeting, Johnson suggested to the coaches that they bench Aaron Rodgers in favor of Tyrod Taylor because he felt Rodgers' performance was holding the team back.
The coaches and Douglas, stunned at the suggestion, talked him out of it and convinced Johnson to stay the course and that benching Rodgers, with his pedigree, four games into the season would not sit well with the locker room. The coaches also felt it would embarrass Rodgers. The idea of benching the future Hall of Famer sounded so absurd that one coach asked whether the owner was serious — multiple sources from that meeting believed he was.
Johnson was calmed that day, but that set the tone for what happened a week later. On Oct. 8, Johnson made the decision to fire Saleh without consulting his general manager (or anyone else in the organization, for that matter).
Perhaps, Woody and not Rodgers, as some folks seem to think, is the one deciding who, what, where, and when.
Cheers!
Quote from: Painter on November 19, 2024, 10:47:49 PMAs is now reported in The Athletic:
The New York Jets fired general manager Joe Douglas on Tuesday, six weeks after the team fired coach Robert Saleh. According to multiple team sources who spoke to The Athletic about the team's inner workings, Woody Johnson suggested a more drastic move earlier in the season.
According to those sources, the day after the Jets' loss to the Denver Broncos on Sept. 29, there was a contentious meeting at the team facility. It included Johnson, Douglas, vice chairman Christopher Johnson, team president Hymie Elhai, and Ira Akselrad, an adviser to Johnson. It also included a group of coaches: Saleh, offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett, then-defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrich and special teams coordinator Brant Boyer among them.
The coaches had been called in to explain what happened with their units during the 10-9 home loss to the Broncos. During the meeting, Johnson suggested to the coaches that they bench Aaron Rodgers in favor of Tyrod Taylor because he felt Rodgers' performance was holding the team back.
The coaches and Douglas, stunned at the suggestion, talked him out of it and convinced Johnson to stay the course and that benching Rodgers, with his pedigree, four games into the season would not sit well with the locker room. The coaches also felt it would embarrass Rodgers. The idea of benching the future Hall of Famer sounded so absurd that one coach asked whether the owner was serious — multiple sources from that meeting believed he was.
Johnson was calmed that day, but that set the tone for what happened a week later. On Oct. 8, Johnson made the decision to fire Saleh without consulting his general manager (or anyone else in the organization, for that matter).
Perhaps, Woody and not Rodgers, as some folks seem to think, is the one deciding who, what, where, and when.
Cheers!
It sort of falls in the "that's life" category- When you deny the boss/owner, if you are ultimately proven wrong, the consequences tend to be much worse.