I want a college player in the draft that has played most if not all his college career at Right Tackle. It seems to me that Right Tackles are not as valued due to the fact that most players at the QB position are Right-handed. Penix is a lefty, and can you imagine Even Neal protecting his blind-side?
It seems to me we could get a true Right Tackle in round 2 and beyond. No more getting a guy that " has experience at mostly left tackle, but has played several games at the right side"
Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 30, 2024, 11:26:56 PMI want a college player in the draft that has played most if not all his college career at Right Tackle. It seems to me that Right Tackles are not as valued due to the fact that most players at the QB position are Right-handed. Penix is a lefty, and can you imagine Even Neal protecting his blind-side?
It seems to me we could get a true Right Tackle in round 2 and beyond. No more getting a guy that " has experience at mostly left tackle, but has played several games at the right side"
Wyatt Milum from W.Va. True right tackle projected to go early round 2.
There are so many other needs beyond QB including starting DT, CB, third Edge, second WR that it is hard to see us using pick 36 on a RT when we can just add another bargain veteran to cover Eluemunor (who is also effectively our swing LT and maybe RG). I reckon the top of R4 might be where we swing at a developmental RT.
I am with you. Build the trenches to get them good as that will benefit rest of team.
We gonna trust the same crew that thought Evan Neal was worth the 7th pick overall to draft his replacement early?
Quote from: madbadger on December 31, 2024, 07:26:07 AMWe gonna trust the same crew that thought Evan Neal was worth the 7th pick overall to draft his replacement early?
There are hits and misses every year. He was a pretty big miss but that doesn't mean they can't identify talent and make good picks.
Eleumenor is fine, just needs to get healthy which he has been lately I believe.
They just need a backup swing, which doesnt need to be a high pick.
I dont really feel like JS has that sixth sense to look beyond or question what he sees.
Example: Evan Neal didn't do lateral agility drills at Combine and I dont believe at his Pro Day. A good sixth sense would have recognized that as something concerning.
If a college QB playing in a warm dry climate refused to have his hands measured, shouldn't a cold weather, rainy climate NFL team consider that a pass?
Quote from: londonblue on December 31, 2024, 04:44:14 AMThere are so many other needs beyond QB including starting DT, CB, third Edge, second WR that it is hard to see us using pick 36 on a RT when we can just add another bargain veteran to cover Eluemunor (who is also effectively our swing LT and maybe RG). I reckon the top of R4 might be where we swing at a developmental RT.
So many needs and not enough resources to fill them all.
I am beginning to think Emery Jones out of LSU will be a better NFL OT than Will Campbell and Connor Williams out of Texas will better than Kelvin Banks.
Campbell has short arms and Banks has limited lateral speed.
Eleumenor was playing well when he was at RT. I actually think another guard is more of a necessity than an OT. They do need a backup that won't poop his pants when called to action but you're not looking for that in Round 1. I would love to see if Neal can do what Becton has done and become a guard. Becton was as bad or worse than even Neal was before moving to guard and now he's part of the best OL in football. There's no guarantee that Neal can make the move but we haven't even TRIED it yet. Despite this team and him in particular being an absolute mess the past 3 years. Maybe this is the training camp they actually give that a shot. It would help the team so much if he can just not be disgustingly awful at a guard spot. Then with Runyan on the other spot, thomas/Eleumenor at the tackles the OL is suddenly pretty good.
At the beginning of the season the OL was actually for the first time in like a decade NOT the biggest problem of the team. That distinction rested with Daniel Jones. The OL was doing a pretty good job until a bunch of injuries derailed everything.
Quote from: Philosophers on December 31, 2024, 09:05:18 AMI am beginning to think Emery Jones out of LSU will be a better NFL OT than Will Campbell and Connor Williams out of Texas will better than Kelvin Banks.
Campbell has short arms and Banks has limited lateral speed.
Some agree with you, but depends on what individual scouts are specifically looking for, and some are more subjective than others. The Bowl games will help some, and the combines, provided they all participate, should answer more questions, or generate more questions.
But every prospect you mentioned is projected to become a starter in 2025, either as a tackle, guard, or both.
I'd sit back and watch them play because neither you, or anyone on this board, can guarantee that Thomas is playing 17 games in 2025. His track record has a trend now and he's damaged goods; a salvage title tackle. It's important the Giants scout these guys thoroughly because one of them could represent a decade of stability at left tackle; Thomas, at this point, does not. The main issue here is Schoen giving Thomas that contract in 2023. That's a killer for a damaged cornerstone of your offensive line.
But I do agree the pick can be invested in other places as well. If fixing the O-line isn't worth using their top pick, then go CB, Edge or even DT.
If nothing else, their win opened the entire draft board for them to consider. In the end, that may be better for them on the long run.
We shall see.
Peace!
Quote from: T200 on December 31, 2024, 08:05:29 AMThere are hits and misses every year. He was a pretty big miss but that doesn't mean they can't identify talent and make good picks.
True, but going into year 4 we are still waiting for them to hit on an OL in the draft. That's a pretty big indictment in the NFL world.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on December 31, 2024, 10:09:31 AMTrue, but going into year 4 we are still waiting for them to hit on an OL in the draft. That's a pretty big indictment in the NFL world.
I don't disagree. Maybe with Bricillo on the staff, he'll have some input as well.
I know folks say the scouting staff has been overhauled and resulted in better picks this past draft. Hopefully that continues.
My two cents, Jermaine Eluemunor is the starting right tackle and ideally will hold that position for the next 2-3 years. If Andrew Thomas is healthy, they have their starting tackles and the priority is to improve IOL and likely to identify a swing tackle in free agency. If AT is not healthy, then the priority is left tackle.
Quote from: T200 on December 31, 2024, 08:05:29 AMThere are hits and misses every year. He was a pretty big miss but that doesn't mean they can't identify talent and make good picks.
Who uses the 7th pick overall on a lineman who refuses to do any of the combine drills? McKethan was a hot mess before being waived, Ezudu is only slightly better and so far JMS has been a failure. Any one can miss on a single draft pick but all four? They're clueless.
Quote from: madbadger on December 31, 2024, 10:42:12 AMWho uses the 7th pick overall on a lineman who refuses to do any of the combine drills? McKethan was a hot mess before being waived, Ezudu is only slightly better and so far JMS has been a failure. Any one can miss on a single draft pick but all four? They're clueless.
There are new scouts and a new offensive line coach. Hopefully they will be better at identifying real offensive line talent.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on December 31, 2024, 10:16:30 AMMy two cents, Jermaine Eluemunor is the starting right tackle and ideally will hold that position for the next 2-3 years. If Andrew Thomas is healthy, they have their starting tackles and the priority is to improve IOL and likely to identify a swing tackle in free agency. If AT is not healthy, then the priority is left tackle.
Doc on Feb 4, 2024 I made a thread called " The Perfect Free Agent to Revitalize Right Tackle" and it was all about Jermaine Eluemunor. It turned out the Giants did get him, good move. He is going to be 31 years old, If we fing a RT in the later rounds, He could sit and learn, he would have the benefit of learning in practices and if Jermaine gets hurt or leaves when his contract is up, we hopefully have a replacement, without having to overpay a FA
Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 31, 2024, 02:13:53 PMDoc on Feb 4, 2024 I made a thread called " The Perfect Free Agent to Revitalize Right Tackle" and it was all about Jermaine Eluemunor. It turned out the Giants did get him, good move. He is going to be 31 years old, If we fing a RT in the later rounds, He could sit and learn, he would have the benefit of learning in practices and if Jermaine gets hurt or leaves when his contract is up, we hopefully have a replacement, without having to overpay a FA
Later rounds? Absolutely! Keep mining for depth in the later rounds. In the first three rounds, I would want potential immediate starters/contributors (exception being the QB position).
Good call on the JE thread last year!
Quote from: T200 on December 31, 2024, 02:12:12 PMThere are new scouts and a new offensive line coach. Hopefully they will be better at identifying real offensive line talent.
Love your optimism. As long as Mara and McDonell are still active in personnel decisions I don't expect anything to change. Classic case of being born on third base and thinking they hit a triple.
Quote from: madbadger on December 31, 2024, 04:08:38 PMLove your optimism. As long as Mara and McDonell are still active in personnel decisions I don't expect anything to change. Classic case of being born on third base and thinking they hit a triple.
Without optimism, what's the point in continuing to follow one team? No one stays on top forever.
I have no way of knowing for sure but I get the sense that Schoen will be taking more control this offseason and shutting down the outside voices.
Projected as a 3rd round. Ajani Cornelius Right Tackle Highlights
the guy pauses the video too much for me.
I'm OK with Eluemunor at RT. I'd be more inclined to find a Guard.
Quote from: Gman329 on January 01, 2025, 04:32:28 PMI'm OK with Eluemunor at RT. I'd be more inclined to find a Guard.
This guy is likely a 3rd rounder. Giants problem is no depth, this pick would help us, what happens if Eluemunor goes down?
If AT did not have reliability concerns, I'd be happy with our tackles and Phillips as the swing and drafting a guard With AT a concern, I'd like to draft a tackle in round 2 or 3 that can start at Right Tackle, Elumenor to guard, then move to LT if AT goes down.
Quote from: T200 on December 31, 2024, 04:14:45 PMWithout optimism, what's the point in continuing to follow one team? No one stays on top forever.
I have no way of knowing for sure but I get the sense that Schoen will be taking more control this offseason and shutting down the outside voices.
You're right that no one stays on top forever but there are some franchises that seem to wallow in the filth year after year. We are quickly becoming bedfellows with the Jets, Browns and Raiders. Nothings gonna change with those two guys intimately involved.
I dont want to hear the word "enormous" associated with a future ORT. I want "fast laterally." Fact is this position will always be someone weighing 310 pounds or more and Edge rushers there are max 280 but very fast. I want their speed neutralized by speed.
Quote from: Gman329 on January 01, 2025, 04:32:28 PMI'm OK with Eluemunor at RT. I'd be more inclined to find a Guard.
I also agree... issue with the O-line is Depth as well as health and I guess we can use a new RG especially if Van Rotten is let go
But when healthy the O-line looked decent... even JMS
First round should def not be used on a lineman
If we do get a RT then Elumenor goes to RG ... which isn't terrible I guess... but we have so many more pressing issues on this team
Quote from: T200 on December 31, 2024, 04:14:45 PMWithout optimism, what's the point in continuing to follow one team?
I think this is a very interesting question and is worthy of some reflection.
I certainly get the point and would never dream of being critical of a fan who prefers to always take the glass half full approach and believe things are about to get better. Not only is there nothing wrong with that, but I can understand the appeal of it or, at the absolute least, the psychological rationale of that base stance.
To answer the "what's the point" question though: I think Giants fans who are pessimistic have plenty of justifiable reason to be, and I think some of us like to be realistic about things while maintaining the hope that things will eventually get better, which they generally do, in time. You also leave yourself the possibility of being pleasantly surprised.
In short, being realistically pessimistic about the near term state of affairs, in my mind at least, is not mutually exclusive with being a fan. It doesn't mean you don't want things to get better. It just means you don't see it happening very imminently, and you're longing for a time when they start to.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 04, 2025, 07:59:56 PMI think this is a very interesting question and is worthy of some reflection.
I certainly get the point and would never dream of being critical of a fan who prefers to always take the glass half full approach and believe things are about to get better. Not only is there nothing wrong with that, but I can understand the appeal of it or, at the absolute least, the psychological rationale of that base stance.
To answer the "what's the point" question though: I think Giants fans who are pessimistic have plenty of justifiable reason to be, and I think some of us like to be realistic about things while maintaining the hope that things will eventually get better, which they generally do, in time. You also leave yourself the possibility of being pleasantly surprised.
In short, being realistically pessimistic about the near term state of affairs, in my mind at least, is not mutually exclusive with being a fan. It doesn't mean you don't want things to get better. It just means you don't see it happening very imminently, and you're longing for a time when they start to.
Good post and thoughts, Jeff.
I understand, for the most part, why some folks are pessimistic.
I get being down on players, coaches, front office, owner, or the team as a whole. We all have moments we need to vent.
AZGIANTFAN has it perfectly in his signature: "I'd rather be a disappointed optimist than a vindicated pessimist."
At some point, the pessimists have hope or they wouldn't be here, right?