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I think I like wards prospects as a pro more than JJ but he would be above Sanders imo.
Like Tim said, they passed on him in the draft. But would Minnesota take a second round this year and a 2026?
If the Giants got Nabors and are able to get JJ a year later with a 2nd rounder or combo of draft picks and JJ turns out to be a legit QB I'd be over the moon with joy. I mean talk about a series of good fortune for the Giants and us fans!!! Too bad it would never happen like that.
Quote from: Ed Vette on January 01, 2025, 09:56:56 PMLike Tim said, they passed on him in the draft. But would Minnesota take a second round this year and a 2026?
If we could get JJ for a second that's a no brainer
Yea he's injured and its a risk
But so is drafting a QB early in round 1 almost always a risk
Would be really surprised if they are willing to part with JJ for anything less than multiple picks including at least 1 1st rounder.
Quote from: sooners56 on January 01, 2025, 10:29:39 PMIf the Giants got Nabors and are able to get JJ a year later with a 2nd rounder or combo of draft picks and JJ turns out to be a legit QB I'd be over the moon with joy. I mean talk about a series of good fortune for the Giants and us fans!!! Too bad it would never happen like that.
That would be the win-win none of saw coming.
Quote from: killarich on January 01, 2025, 11:44:38 PMIf we could get JJ for a second that's a no brainer
Yea he's injured and its a risk
But so is drafting a QB early in round 1 almost always a risk
So... they spent extensive time interviewing JJ and decided that he doesn't fit into their system and plans for what they want to do to move this team forward and be competitive. A year (and knee injury) later, after playing a total of ZERO regular season snaps, you're suggesting giving up draft capital from this year and next year?
With the many holes to fill, Stevie Wonder can see that's not a smart move in any way.
I mean that's like going out on a date with a lady and deciding she's not wifey material. A year later, after she got her heart broken (damaged goods), why would you reconsider her? What happened to make you change your mind?
Quote from: T200 on January 02, 2025, 08:21:11 AMSo... they spent extensive time interviewing JJ and decided that he doesn't fit into their system and plans for what they want to do to move this team forward and be competitive. A year (and knee injury) later, after playing a total of ZERO regular season snaps, you're suggesting giving up draft capital from this year and next year?
With the many holes to fill, Stevie Wonder can see that's not a smart move in any way.
I mean that's like going out on a date with a lady and deciding she's not wifey material. A year later, after she got her heart broken (damaged goods), why would you reconsider her? What happened to make you change your mind?
That's what you will always do with any draft pick ....its possible the Giants draft a qb in the second round anyways
If JJ would have been a better SECOND round draft pick then any of the options this season I still think it's a no brainer
I was not and still not really a JJ fan especially for a first round pick
But for a second I think j uta worth giving a shot
Did the Vikings or anyone think Darnold would have this now OFFICIAL por bowl season ? No ..... but they took the chance
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 01, 2025, 09:08:08 PMI think I like wards prospects as a pro more than JJ but he would be above Sanders imo.
I agree with you. Sanders is way overrated. In two seasons he has over 200+ carries and negative yards rushing been sacked 92 times.
Quote from: killarich on January 02, 2025, 09:40:20 AMThat's what you will always do with any draft pick ....its possible the Giants draft a qb in the second round anyways
If JJ would have been a better SECOND round draft pick then any of the options this season I still think it's a no brainer
I was not and still not really a JJ fan especially for a first round pick
But for a second I think j uta worth giving a shot
Did the Vikings or anyone think Darnold would have this now OFFICIAL por bowl season ? No ..... but they took the chance
I'm not opposed to them picking any player they have confidence in, regardless of position and round.
My point is that they didn't like JJ. Absolutely nothing has changed between the draft and now to make them reconsider their initial thoughts on him.
Quote from: T200 on January 02, 2025, 08:21:11 AMSo... they spent extensive time interviewing JJ and decided that he doesn't fit into their system and plans for what they want to do to move this team forward and be competitive. A year (and knee injury) later, after playing a total of ZERO regular season snaps, you're suggesting giving up draft capital from this year and next year?
With the many holes to fill, Stevie Wonder can see that's not a smart move in any way.
I mean that's like going out on a date with a lady and deciding she's not wifey material. A year later, after she got her heart broken (damaged goods), why would you reconsider her? What happened to make you change your mind?
How do you know how they decided?
Quote from: Philosophers on January 02, 2025, 09:52:32 AMHow do you know how they decided?
Do you mean as far as why they didn't draft him?
I don't know. But I don't see anything that has changed since the draft that would make them reconsider.
Quote from: T200 on January 02, 2025, 09:58:27 AMDo you mean as far as why they didn't draft him?
I don't know. But I don't see anything that has changed since the draft that would make them reconsider.
Because Nabers was the safer pick. The Giants don't take risks. Ever. And Schoen just goes to the big board and grabs the highest ranked player.
Quote from: katkavage on January 02, 2025, 10:13:36 AMBecause Nabers was the safer pick. The Giants don't take risks. Ever. And Schoen just goes to the big board and grabs the highest ranked player.
That's an acceptable point of view. Saying "The Giants don't take risks" implies, to me, that Mara and his family makes the picks or has a very strong voice. And that will continue to be the issue, not the GM or coach.
Quote from: T200 on January 02, 2025, 10:17:58 AMThat's an acceptable point of view. Saying "The Giants don't take risks" implies, to me, that Mara and his family makes the picks or has a very strong voice. And that will continue to be the issue, not the GM or coach.
I'd agree with you in principal on that, but after watching Hard Knocks, I did not see a disappointed Schoen when he got to pick Nabers and not McCarthy. I didn't see any meddling in regards to that pick.
Quote from: T200 on January 02, 2025, 09:45:45 AMI'm not opposed to them picking any player they have confidence in, regardless of position and round.
My point is that they didn't like JJ. Absolutely nothing has changed between the draft and now to make them reconsider their initial thoughts on him.
I think you are reading too much into that, I think they didn't like JJ that high (What did we have the 6th ?) over the likes of Nabers... Harrison etc
If JJ was still there in the second round Ill bet my first born they would have drafted him
So I think its less about "not liking him" vs where they would have to have drafted him
Quote from: katkavage on January 02, 2025, 10:41:21 AMI'd agree with you in principal on that, but after watching Hard Knocks, I did not see a disappointed Schoen when he got to pick Nabers and not McCarthy. I didn't see any meddling in regards to that pick.
Who would be disappointed in picking Nabers? He was probably their #1 graded receiver.
I imagine a trade up for Maye or Daniels was 1A and a receiver was 1B.
Drafting a receiver instead of a QB to replace Jones falls into what Mara ultimately wanted: to keep Jones. So there was no need for him or his influential family members to sway the pick.
Quote from: T200 on January 02, 2025, 10:53:32 AMWho would be disappointed in picking Nabers? He was probably their #1 graded receiver.
I imagine a trade up for Maye or Daniels was 1A and a receiver was 1B.
Drafting a receiver instead of a QB to replace Jones falls into what Mara ultimately wanted: to keep Jones. So there was no need for him or his influential family members to sway the pick.
I'm not disputing your theory. But it is just a theory. You have no proof of it.
Quote from: killarich on January 02, 2025, 10:52:46 AMI think you are reading too much into that, I think they didn't like JJ that high (What did we have the 6th ?) over the likes of Nabers... Harrison etc
If JJ was still there in the second round Ill bet my first born they would have drafted him
So I think its less about "not liking him" vs where they would have to have drafted him
I don't think I'm reading too much into it. If anything, not enough. I think my point is pretty simple. He's the same player, even less so coming off an injury.
I do get your point that he'd be less of a costly risk at a 2nd round price vs a 1st.
Quote from: katkavage on January 02, 2025, 10:54:38 AMI'm not disputing your theory. But it is just a theory. You have no proof of it.
Of course! We're all just speculating and putting puzzle pieces together. :ok:
Quote from: katkavage on January 02, 2025, 10:13:36 AMBecause Nabers was the safer pick. The Giants don't take risks. Ever. And Schoen just goes to the big board and grabs the highest ranked player.
That is a fair conclusion. You could also conclude that with Marvin Harrison Jr. off the board at #4, the wide receivers left were the big debate most of us, as well as many draftniks, predicted the Giants were going with anyway.
While Harrison Jr. and Odunze have had very good rookie seasons, the Giants, despite their offensive handicaps, hit it out of the park by selecting Nabers. Leave Mara out of it, apart from the final rubber stamp, and Schoen, his scouts and Daboll ended up with getting, or possibly exceeding, the value they've received from Nabers as a result of picking him at #6.
We've talked QB acquisition strategy going into the 2024 draft and it is water under the bridge now. The only scenario I see where the Giants push Minnesota to acquire McCarthy is if he was on their overall list of players they would like to have, but didn't grade out as high as Nabers did at #6. Also, if they are interested in acquiring him now, and the price tag is something they are willing to pay, despite the impact it might have on current and future draft capital, then they'll make the move.
You have to think on terms of your overall talent, where to improve to systematically improve the greatest, and how to do so while managing the salary cap AND keep your players happy with their contracts. In essence, a delicate balancing act that we dissect every day, ad nauseum, which is far easier said than actually put into practice.
So, now that WR1 is in good shape, WR2 becomes a question with Slayton.
Yes, QB is a primary concern but so, too, is the offensive line which has been discussed but injuries continue to decimate this squad. A combination of fresh blood, and improved training regiments, might help the cause, but what to do when your best player is now injury prone and owns one of the biggest salary cap impacting contracts on the team? Lots to contemplate there!
That doesn't consider the defense either.
I'll stop before I take this even further outside the scope of the subject of this thread.
Bottom line: Nabers was the pick in 2024 without question and we all know why. As to whether or not the Giants may be interested in taking a flyer out on McCarthy, provided Minnesota would shop him around, they'd be crazy not to. But to suggest they passed him up in the draft means they weren't interested in him may not be an accurate assumption. Instead, he could very well have been a QB they liked; however, he didn't grade out high enough to warrant selection at #6, that's all.
Now, time will tell whether this scenario even plays out by Minnesota.
Peace!
You also have to understand the situation last year. We knew we weren't getting the top 3 guys. that's a fact. We also knew Jones was our day 1 starter. We also know that many, many people still thought Jones was 'the guy' and all he needed was a true #1 WR. So when it came to our turn to draft and the choice was JJ or Nabors, we went with the Wr to help Jones. We also don't know if Mara was anything behind the scenes telling them to try and help Jones as much as possible.
Let's say JJ didn't come out last year and was in this year's draft. Does anyone think the Giants would be climbing poles to get him? I don't know why people are so down on him. Forget the knees, it was minor surgury and only for minuscus, which we all get at one time or another. He is healthy and a true top-10 draft pick and much better than anyone else out there now.
Sorry, I would offer our #1 for him and throw in a #5 for next year also. He is the perfect option, rookie contract, one year sitting to learn, and can throw. I would make that trade in a heartbeat.
People here are scratching their heads as to who will our QB be. From taking flyers on guys in lower rounds when there is a legit QB in Minn and I'll be they will listen.
To me, just a perfect scenario.
Quote from: LennG on January 02, 2025, 12:03:25 PMYou also have to understand the situation last year. We knew we weren't getting the top 3 guys. that's a fact. We also knew Jones was our day 1 starter. We also know that many, many people still thought Jones was 'the guy' and all he needed was a true #1 WR. So when it came to our turn to draft and the choice was JJ or Nabors, we went with the Wr to help Jones. We also don't know if Mara was anything behind the scenes telling them to try and help Jones as much as possible.
Let's say JJ didn't come out last year and was in this year's draft. Does anyone think the Giants would be climbing poles to get him? I don't know why people are so down on him. Forget the knees, it was minor surgury and only for minuscus, which we all get at one time or another. He is healthy and a true top-10 draft pick and much better than anyone else out there now.
Sorry, I would offer our #1 for him and throw in a #5 for next year also. He is the perfect option, rookie contract, one year sitting to learn, and can throw. I would make that trade in a heartbeat.
People here are scratching their heads as to who will our QB be. From taking flyers on guys in lower rounds when there is a legit QB in Minn and I'll be they will listen.
To me, just a perfect scenario.
Good points, Lenny.
I'm still in the Sanders/Ward camp, but leaning more towards Ward.
I would love to get JJ McCarthy, but I just find it unlikely that the Vikings will move on from him unless they get considerably more than they "paid" for him.
If I were the Vikings' GM, I would tag Sam Darnold and keep riding with him. If this season proves to be a fluke, they can fall back on JJ. If Sam has another great year, they can ride with him and then trade away JJ if they want more draft capital.
What I wouldn't do as Vikings GM is part ways with Sam Darnold (since you don't know if JJ can be as good) or with JJ this offseason because you don't know if Darnold can repeat.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 02, 2025, 12:32:05 PMI would love to get JJ McCarthy, but I just find it unlikely that the Vikings will move on from him unless they get considerably more than they "paid" for him.
If I were the Vikings' GM, I would tag Sam Darnold and keep riding with him. If this season proves to be a fluke, they can fall back on JJ. If Sam has another great year, they can ride with him and then trade away JJ if they want more draft capital.
What I wouldn't do as Vikings GM is part ways with Sam Darnold (since you don't know if JJ can be as good) or with JJ this offseason because you don't know if Darnold can repeat.
Tag Darnold.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 02, 2025, 12:32:05 PMI would love to get JJ McCarthy, but I just find it unlikely that the Vikings will move on from him unless they get considerably more than they "paid" for him.
If I were the Vikings' GM, I would tag Sam Darnold and keep riding with him. If this season proves to be a fluke, they can fall back on JJ. If Sam has another great year, they can ride with him and then trade away JJ if they want more draft capital.
What I wouldn't do as Vikings GM is part ways with Sam Darnold (since you don't know if JJ can be as good) or with JJ this offseason because you don't know if Darnold can repeat.
I couldn't agree more with this. This is, in my opinion, exactly what Minnesota should (and probably will) do.
Maybe, but next year's draft class is supposed to have a lot more options and maybe they won't get a high #1 for JJ as they surely would now.
Would you take McCarthy for a "Tarkenton-like" deal? Query everyone's thoughts on that.
Peace!
Sorry s but try of this 'older' man has faded a bit on what that trade was?
Quote from: LennG on January 02, 2025, 05:29:10 PMMaybe, but next year's draft class is supposed to have a lot more options and maybe they won't get a high #1 for JJ as they surely would now.
We passed on McCarthy and his name wasn't brought up during Hard Knocks. I don't think they like him as much as the fans do. If they trade a top 7 pick for him they'd lose me as a fan. If they can't get the guy they want then I hope they drop down and accumulate picks for next year. It's not like Lock is a bum. He's not as good as he looked this week but he's as good as some of the other options and cheaper too.
Quote from: madbadger on January 02, 2025, 07:05:20 PMWe passed on McCarthy and his name wasn't brought up during Hard Knocks. I don't think they like him as much as the fans do. If they trade a top 7 pick for him they'd lose me as a fan. If they can't get the guy they want then I hope they drop down and accumulate picks for next year. It's not like Lock is a bum. He's not as good as he looked this week but he's as good as some of the other options and cheaper too.
No way they'd trade a top 7 pick for him having done the analysis last year and having passed on exactly that. There is now a year gone in his four year rookie deal, which is a very substantial valuation difference, and on top of that he's coming off a major injury. I see literally zero chance of them giving up their first rounder for McCarthy.
Could they give up their second round pick for him if that offer were available? Yes, maybe. That's a totally different proposition. I doubt that would be possible though. Someone will offer more if he's even available, which seems far from a given to me.
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In everyone's opinion, what makes Mccarthy a better prospect than Dart? Mccarthy ran a run first offense in college and while it doesn't seem that way so did Dart, yet the production is so different?
Best year
Mccarthy 3,000 yards 22 Tds 200 rushing 3 tds
Dart 4,300 yards 29 tds 500 rushing 3 tds
Dart sat out a lot of the first games otherwise he'd likely have thrown for 5,000 yards which is absurd. Couple that with Dart actually playing 4 years of college while Mccarthy only played 2. In his best year Mccarthy had the best line in college, and one of the best Rbs. Dart was missing his top 3 wrs, top 2 Rbs, #1 TE, and 2/3rds of his oline and still put up that crazy production. Dart is taller, heavier, more mobile, and double the passing volume with a similar passer rating.
Why would we give up multiple picks to get a guy off injury when we can get the better passing version of him in the draft?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 03, 2025, 10:32:30 PMIn everyone's opinion, what makes Mccarthy a better prospect than Dart? Mccarthy ran a run first offense in college and while it doesn't seem that way so did Dart, yet the production is so different?
Best year
Mccarthy 3,000 yards 22 Tds 200 rushing 3 tds
Dart 4,300 yards 29 tds 500 rushing 3 tds
Dart sat out a lot of the first games otherwise he'd likely have thrown for 5,000 yards which is absurd. Couple that with Dart actually playing 4 years of college while Mccarthy only played 2. In his best year Mccarthy had the best line in college, and one of the best Rbs. Dart was missing his top 3 wrs, top 2 Rbs, #1 TE, and 2/3rds of his oline and still put up that crazy production. Dart is taller, heavier, more mobile, and double the passing volume with a similar passer rating.
Why would we give up multiple picks to get a guy off injury when we can get the better passing version of him in the draft?
Jess - it's not just about stats. If that were the case Ron Dayne would have had a Hall of Fame NFL career instead of being a flabby 240 pounder who routinely got knocked off his feet by 180 pound CBs.
Quote from: Philosophers on January 04, 2025, 08:08:07 AMJess - it's not just about stats. If that were the case Ron Dayne would hVe gad a Hall of Fame NFL career instead of being a flabby 240 pounder who routinely got knocked off his feet by 180 pound CBs.
Agreed. Context matters. Harbaugh ran a totally different offense last year than what Kiffin runs.
Maybe Dart will be good and maybe McCarthy will be a bust. Nobody here can say with certainty that either of those statements will not be true. Or maybe the opposite will happen. But I definitely don't think you can just look at stats with college players and make declarative statements about who will be the better pro. If you could, we wouldn't have all these first round busts that we do.
Quote from: Philosophers on January 04, 2025, 08:08:07 AMJess - it's not just about stats. If that were the case Ron Dayne would have had a Hall of Fame NFL career instead of being a flabby 240 pounder who routinely got knocked off his feet by 180 pound CBs.
No I completely agree with you, which is why I start the post by asking in your own opinion what makes Mccarthy a better prospect than Dart? So much so that people would rather us trade for him even though we passed over him, than draft a Qb.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 04, 2025, 09:03:11 AMNo I completely agree with you, which is why I start the post by asking in your own opinion what makes Mccarthy a better prospect than Dart? So much so that people would rather us trade for him even though we passed over him, than draft a Qb.
Nobody here knows Ole Miss football and Ole Miss players even 1/10th of what you do Jess, so I'll always defer to you on this subject, but from what I have seen (and admittedly I only watched a couple Ole Miss games this year so right up front I admit my sample is small), Dart seemed quick to bail out of the pocket and not always go through all his progressions. Just didn't always seem to be that poised under pressure.
McCarthy seemed more sound to me although McCarthy was asked to do way, way less than Dart in his offense. It's hard to compare the two.
I frankly also don't know how well the Kiffin style translates to the pros. I remember hearing a lot of big predictions about how good a pro Matt Corral was going to be and a few years later the guy isn't even capable of being an NFL backup.
Teams look for traits as the NFL is simply harder to play in. A QB can be a one read with a great WR and complete many passes to him and accumulate stats. Will Howard is hardly a great QB but Jeremiah Smith makes him look fantastic.
NFL windows are tight. JJ never had OSU's WRs (Roman Wilson was good especially on long sideline routes) so JJ made more throws in tighter windows probably than Dart plus Harbaugh ran a multiple read passing offense so he had to see the whole field. More traits.
He may be a flat out bust or just average or very good. Time will tell.
The Giants should draft Will Howard. He has been throwing to Nabors like receivers this year, and has done well in two separate systems while in college. Very Nix like.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 04, 2025, 10:43:27 AMNobody here knows Ole Miss football and Ole Miss players even 1/10th of what you do Jess, so I'll always defer to you on this subject, but from what I have seen (and admittedly I only watched a couple Ole Miss games this year so right up front I admit my sample is small), Dart seemed quick to bail out of the pocket and not always go through all his progressions. Just didn't always seem to be that poised under pressure.
McCarthy seemed more sound to me although McCarthy was asked to do way, way less than Dart in his offense. It's hard to compare the two.
I frankly also don't know how well the Kiffin style translates to the pros. I remember hearing a lot of big predictions about how good a pro Matt Corral was going to be and a few years later the guy isn't even capable of being an NFL backup.
All very sound points. One thing I would say is that as more teams in the NFL go to this new Cover 2 future offenses will adapt to running quick game passing attacks, RPOs, and the occasional deep shot. From all the tape I've seen, Dart is the best quick game qb in this draft and possibly the last. He does have a nice share of flaws aa well though.
Quote from: files58 on January 04, 2025, 01:32:17 PMThe Giants should draft Will Howard. He has been throwing to Nabors like receivers this year, and has done well in two separate systems while in college. Very Nix like.
Why not? They'll be able to get him in the 3rd Round or perhaps lower. He draws comparisons to Mason Rudolph.
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JJ is not getting traded. That rookie contract is too valuable for a HC who thinks he can mold QBs.
Quote from: todge on January 04, 2025, 04:42:03 PMWhy not? They'll be able to get him in the 3rd Round or perhaps lower. He draws comparisons to Mason Rudolph.
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So what. Rudolph is nothing close to a franchise QB which we need.
Quote from: Philosophers on January 04, 2025, 05:08:16 PMJJ is not getting traded. That rookie contract is too valuable for a HC who thinks he can mold QBs.
The Vikings are going to have to sign Darnold to at least a 3 year deal or he will walk. I just can't see them letting him walk. Does that mean JJ will sit all that time. He has the most value right now not next year.
Quote from: LennG on January 04, 2025, 05:51:22 PMThe Vikings are going to have to sign Darnold to at least a 3 year deal or he will walk. I just can't see them letting him walk. Does that mean JJ will sit all that time. He has the most value right now not next year.
Len,
Atlanta signed Cousins to a sizeabale 4 year deal and he didn't make it through 1.
Broncos gave up on Russell Wilson's deal after 2 years.
Further, they can franchise him to keep him 1 year and make sure JJ heals up and looks good on a field. It will take a nice chunk out of their cap space but they have the room.
I feel like unless someone comes in with a Herschel Walker type deal, both of those QBs will be in Minnesota next spring.
It's a good problem for them.
At a minimum, they ought to franchise Darnold.
Quote from: T200 on January 02, 2025, 10:53:32 AMWho would be disappointed in picking Nabers? He was probably their #1 graded receiver.
I imagine a trade up for Maye or Daniels was 1A and a receiver was 1B.
Drafting a receiver instead of a QB to replace Jones falls into what Mara ultimately wanted: to keep Jones. So there was no need for him or his influential family members to sway the pick.
I simply don't get the yacking about taking or not taking McCarthy, or Penix for that matter, rather than someone like Nabers with the 6th overall when there was never any possibility that the Giants, the Franchise, the Owners, the GM were ready, willing or able to become unshackled from Daniel Jones for reasons which should be obvious. For anyone to now suggest otherwise is as foolish as it is disingenuous.
As for what McCarthy might now be worth to the Giants in lieu of a high First Round pick of Ward or Sanders, I'd say their 2nd Round No.35 and one or two of their later remaining 9 picks. However, if those 2 go first to the Titans and Browns, that could rearrange the apple cart.
But at least that's puzzling the future and not the vacuous past.
Cheers!
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 04, 2025, 07:07:27 PMAt a minimum, they ought to franchise Darnold.
That's what I thought, a sign and trade.
If McCarthy were in this year's draft he'd probably be the first player of the board.
Will be interesting to see how Darnold does in the playoffs, but he was brutal against the Lions last night. The Lions have been giving up a lot of points over the last several weeks because their defense has like 13 guys on IR and Darnold couldn't get his team in the endzone.
A similar performance against the Rams and I wouldn't trade JJ for just about anything.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 06, 2025, 08:39:44 AMWill be interesting to see how Darnold does in the playoffs, but he was brutal against the Lions last night. The Lions have been giving up a lot of points over the last several weeks because their defense has like 13 guys on IR and Darnold couldn't get his team in the endzone.
A similar performance against the Rams and I wouldn't trade JJ for just about anything.
You could very well be right.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 06, 2025, 08:39:44 AMWill be interesting to see how Darnold does in the playoffs, but he was brutal against the Lions last night. The Lions have been giving up a lot of points over the last several weeks because their defense has like 13 guys on IR and Darnold couldn't get his team in the endzone.
A similar performance against the Rams and I wouldn't trade JJ for just about anything.
I think the Lions still have 5-6 opening day starters in D as many of the IR players were replacement starters. But lets give Aaron Glenn and the Lions D some credit. They played tight on Jefferson and Addison and neutralized the Vikings passing game. I wish the Giants could cover and tackle like Detroit.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 06, 2025, 10:38:18 AMI think the Lions still have 5-6 opening day starters in D as many of the IR players were replacement starters. But lets give Aaron Glenn and the Lions D some credit. They played tight on Jefferson and Addison and neutralized the Vikings passing game. I wish the Giants could cover and tackle like Detroit.
At some positions they were on 3rd and 4th stringers. Lions did a great job fixing things that led to them giving up 40 points in some games and going for it on every 4th down. Still, Darnold missed some important throws in the red zone and that 0-4 in that area was the difference
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 02, 2025, 12:32:05 PMI would love to get JJ McCarthy, but I just find it unlikely that the Vikings will move on from him unless they get considerably more than they "paid" for him.
If I were the Vikings' GM, I would tag Sam Darnold and keep riding with him. If this season proves to be a fluke, they can fall back on JJ. If Sam has another great year, they can ride with him and then trade away JJ if they want more draft capital.
What I wouldn't do as Vikings GM is part ways with Sam Darnold (since you don't know if JJ can be as good) or with JJ this offseason because you don't know if Darnold can repeat.
The Vikings paid a 1st, a 4th and a 5th (11., 129., 157. Pick)
I wouldn't trade him for a second rounder either. And surely, there will be teams willing to trader a 1st rounder for JJ.
Quote from: GordonGekko80 on January 06, 2025, 11:38:39 AMThe Vikings paid a 1st, a 4th and a 5th (11., 129., 157. Pick)
I wouldn't trade him for a second rounder either. And surely, there will be teams willing to trader a 1st rounder for JJ.
I was texting with a friend of mine who is a Raiders fan. That fan base is floating the idea of Maxx Crosby for JJ McCarthy. Clearly any team that needs a QB would be keen on acquiring JJ if he became available. There would be a serious bidding war.
here is another example of how every team that needs a QB is talking JJ
https://x.com/NFLNotify/status/1876364926023094533