Giants' 2025 unrestricted free agents (UFA)
WR Darius Slayton
S Jason Pinnock
EDGE Azeez Ojulari
QB Drew Lock
WR Isaiah Hodgins
WR Allen Robinson
G Aaron Stinnie
S Jalen Mills
CB Tre Herndon
TE Jack Stoll
DT Jordan Phillips
TE Chris Manhertz
P Jamie Gillan
LS Casey Kreiter
LB Isaiah Simmons
CB Nick McCloud
EDGE Boogie Basham
CB David Long
WR Miles Boykin
CB Darnay Holmes
WR Isaiah McKenzie
LB Matthew Adams
TE Lawrence Cager
OT Matt Nelson
S Elijah Riley
WR Gunner Olszewski
LB Carter Coughlin
CB Aaron Robinson
RT Joshua Miles
CB Stantley Thomas-Oliver
OT Yodny Cajuste
Giants' 2025 restricted free agents (RFA)
DT Timmy Horne
G Jalen Mayfield
TE Tyree Jackson
C Jimmy Morrissey
Giants' 2025 exclusive rights free agents (ERFA)
QB Tommy DeVito
EDGE. Tomon Fox
RB Jashaun Corbin
EDGE Benton Whitley
QB Nathan Rourke
EDGE Ryder Anderson
LB Dyontae Johnson
WR Chase Cota
WR Dennis Houston
CB Kaleb Hayes
LB Darrian Beavers
Wow!
I don't see a single player that I would be sad to lose.
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Of the unrestricted these are who I want back. None will break the bank. You need ditch diggers too.
S Jason Pinnock
TE Chris Manhertz
P Jamie Gillan
LS Casey Kreiter
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 06, 2025, 09:37:03 AMWow!
I don't see a single player that I would be sad to lose.
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I get they are not going to let everyone walk, but I also do not see a single player I would be upset to see go.
aren't some of these guys already gone? McCloud went to the niners. Didn't some just get cut?
Than said, you can't start over with UDFA's and camp bodies. IMO we have some decent players but until we fix the OL and get a better defensive scheme, it's a treadmill. Note how much better the D looked vs. Philly when we threw a blitz at them every so often. Since Dabs is back, maybe we need a new DC.
Quote from: President Rick on January 06, 2025, 11:18:52 AMaren't some of these guys already gone? McCloud went to the niners. Didn't some just get cut?
Than said, you can't start over with UDFA's and camp bodies. IMO we have some decent players but until we fix the OL and get a better defensive scheme, it's a treadmill. Note how much better the D looked vs. Philly when we threw a blitz at them every so often. Since Dabs is back, maybe we need a new DC.
I didn't notice it, I must have pulled an older list before the Giants released McCloud
Quote from: coggs on January 06, 2025, 11:06:53 AMI get they are not going to let everyone walk, but I also do not see a single player I would be upset to see go.
Yeah, it's a cellar dweller roster - that's for sure.
WR Darius Slayton
S Jason Pinnock
EDGE Azeez Ojulari
QB Drew Lock
WR Isaiah Hodgins
EDGE. Tomon Fox
LB Dyontae Johnson
LB Darrian Beavers
EDGE Ryder Anderson
QB Tommy DeVito
P Jamie Gillan
These are the only guys I would even consider, in the case of any ERFAs, they are merely cheap at positions where depth is needed and their jobs and roster spots are nowhere close to guaranteed.
Quote from: MrGap92 on January 06, 2025, 02:20:23 PMWR Darius Slayton
S Jason Pinnock
EDGE Azeez Ojulari
QB Drew Lock
WR Isaiah Hodgins
EDGE. Tomon Fox
LB Dyontae Johnson
LB Darrian Beavers
EDGE Ryder Anderson
QB Tommy DeVito
P Jamie Gillan
These are the only guys I would even consider, in the case of any ERFAs, they are merely cheap at positions where depth is needed and their jobs and roster spots are nowhere close to guaranteed.
I watched Tomon Fox miss a few tackles yesterday and I think we can go better at backup linebacker.
Hodgins is an 8 week wonder. I doubt he is invited back on whatever the league minimum is.
I'd be OK with Ojulari at backup money. He knows the system.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 06, 2025, 02:25:01 PMI watched Tomon Fox miss a few tackles yesterday and I think we can go better at backup linebacker.
Hodgins is an 8 week wonder. I doubt he is invited back on whatever the league minimum is.
I'd be OK with Ojulari at backup money. He knows the system.
I don't disagree, the ERFA tender is why id bring him back for now, just to have some depth for the offseason programs.
Folks here wonder WHY this team topped out at 3-14? Can we say TALENT UPGRADE OVERDUE???
Peace!
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 06, 2025, 09:37:03 AMWow!
I don't see a single player that I would be sad to lose.
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Same, Andrew. Pinnock is the only player I would consider retaining. The good news is - our best players were rookies and should get better next season.
Quote from: kingm56 on January 06, 2025, 03:05:43 PMSame, Andrew. Pinnock is the only player I would consider retaining. The good news is - are best players were rookies and should get better next season.
This is a trap we all fall into, the "they are rookies so they will get better" trap.
Did KT get better? Neal? Banks? Flott? Robinson (well at least he got healthy)? Bellinger? JMS? Hyatt? Ezeudu? Gray?
The thing is, rookies making a second-year jump are actually far more infrequent than most of us (myself included) assume. In fact, probably just as many will regress.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 03:20:44 PMThis is a trap we all fall into, the "they are rookies so they will get better" trap.
Did KT get better? Neal? Banks? Flott? Robinson (well at least he got healthy)? Bellinger? JMS? Hyatt? Ezeudu? Gray?
The thing is, rookies making a second-year jump are actually far more infrequent than most of us (myself included) assume. In fact, probably just as many will regress.
Very well said
I think the lack of Offensive Linemen and RBs on this list is telling. They invested heavily in that in free agency with 2-year deals or more knowing if Daniel Jones didn't work out, they would be in pretty good shape going into 2025-2026 with a new QB.
Guess we shouldn't be expecting any comp picks in 2026
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 06, 2025, 07:41:33 PMGuess we shouldn't be expecting any comp picks in 2026
The Giants have roughly $40 million in cap space. They are far more likely to be signing more players than they lose.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 03:20:44 PMThis is a trap we all fall into, the "they are rookies so they will get better" trap.
Did KT get better? Neal? Banks? Flott? Robinson (well at least he got healthy)? Bellinger? JMS? Hyatt? Ezeudu? Gray?
The thing is, rookies making a second-year jump are actually far more infrequent than most of us (myself included) assume. In fact, probably just as many will regress.
Yes. It's not easy building a team. You think you've plugged one hole and suddenly two more holes spring open.
This is reminiscent of the reviews of the 2018 draft after 1 year. I just did a quick Google search to refresh my memory and the reviews of the 2018 rookie class were VERY complimentary toward Dave Gettleman. Here's how PFF described that rookie class...
The 2018 draft class performed very well. As a draft class, they ranked second in our PFF WAR metric, and Saquon Barkley, Will Hernandez, Lorenzo Carter & B.J. Hill all finished in the top five rookies at their respective positions.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 07:46:08 PMThe Giants have roughly $40 million in cap space. They are far more likely to be signing more players than they lose.
Well my point was that none of those free agents is going to be worth a big contract that would enter the comp pick formula.
Giants are middle of the pack in terms of cap space. Not great considering their record for the last two years.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 06, 2025, 06:55:07 PMVery well said
No it's not - its an incredibly poor comparison. None of the players listed had remotely close to the early success as Nabers and Taylor, who literally set records. Phillips also had a wonderful rookie campaign. I must of missed the records set by the players listed. With the exception of KT, all of those players had meh to poor rookie seasons. Why would you expect them to get better the following season? On that point I agree; you should never assume a player is going to get better...and I NEVER do. However, these players have already proven to be good...even if they just sustain thier protection, it's still far better than average.