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you'll be equally pleased by the 2025 Giants.

Go, Big Blue!

Same management team = same results

That's such a defeatist take 😆

"Past performance is not indicative of future results."

Quote from: T200 on January 06, 2025, 10:05:54 AMThat's such a defeatist take 😆

"Past performance is not indicative of future results."

"the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 10:14:24 AM"the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"

We've previously discussed the insanity aspect.  :ok:

Quote from: T200 on January 06, 2025, 10:15:48 AMWe've previously discussed the insanity aspect.  :ok:

we can also look at trends (which is often used in investing)

2022:  9-7-1
2023:  6-11
2024:  3-13
2025:  ?-?-?

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 10:18:26 AMwe can also look at trends (which is often used in investing)

2022:  9-7-1
2023:  6-11
2024:  3-13
2025:  ?-?-?

Sorry, I know you don't want to admit it but last season had no bearing on this one. This season will have no bearing on next season.

It just doesn't work that way.

Quote from: T200 on January 06, 2025, 10:20:38 AMSorry, I know you don't want to admit it but last season had no bearing on this one. This season will have no bearing on next season.

It just doesn't work that way.

So how do you see things "working"?

Quote from: T200 on January 06, 2025, 10:20:38 AMSorry, I know you don't want to admit it but last season had no bearing on this one. This season will have no bearing on next season.

It just doesn't work that way.

Agreed and its' a bit sickening to see some poster practically rooting for the current regime to fail and predict their firings in a year.

Quote from: TDToomer on January 06, 2025, 10:23:19 AMAgreed and its' a bit sickening to see some poster practically rooting for the current regime to fail and predict their firings in a year.

They have already failed!!!

Quote from: TDToomer on January 06, 2025, 10:23:19 AMAgreed and its' a bit sickening to see some poster practically rooting for the current regime to fail and predict their firings in a year.

Donny,

How were some posters practically rooting for DJ to fail?   Seriously, your comment is beyond silly.  Attacking people for wanting accountability and not accepting abject failure suggests (much like how you claim) that you enjoy losing and being out of the playoff hunt by Halloween (which, lucky for you, is a trend likely to continue).

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 10:22:04 AMSo how do you see things "working"?

It's nearly impossible to say until free agency and the draft are over.

I'm hopeful that things will be much improved based on how Schoen has maneuvered around Mara's meddling. He clearly had enough and I feel he successfully demonstrated that Mara needs to step back and let him work.

Quote from: T200 on January 06, 2025, 10:27:31 AMIt's nearly impossible to say until free agency and the draft are over.

I'm hopeful that things will be much improved based on how Schoen has maneuvered around Mara's meddling. He clearly had enough and I feel he successfully demonstrated that Mara needs to step back and let him work.

Since I don't believe in the meddling claim (based on actual evidence) there is literally no reason for me to be optimistic for the foreseeable future  :surrender:

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 10:29:18 AMSince I don't believe in the meddling claim (based on actual evidence) there is literally no reason for me to be optimistic for the foreseeable future  :surrender:

That's fair.

Without hope and optimism, what's the point of being a fan?  :ok:

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 10:27:22 AMDonny,

How were some posters practically rooting for DJ to fail?   Seriously, your comment is beyond silly.  Attacking people for wanting accountability and not accepting abject failure suggests (much like how you claim) that you enjoy losing and being out of the playoff hunt by Halloween (which, lucky for you, is a trend likely to continue).

First, don't drag me into another endless DJ to fail debate because you are barking up the wrong tree. Second there is nothing silly about calling out fans rooting for us to fail. Because that is what they are doing by rooting against us so that Schoen and Daboll are fired.

Enough with the holier than you crap. You are attacking me right now you hypocrite by suggesting that I enjoy losing. screw you.   :boooo:

Quote from: TDToomer on January 06, 2025, 10:44:18 AMFirst, don't drag me into another endless DJ to fail debate because you are barking up the wrong tree. Second there is nothing silly about calling out fans rooting for us to fail. Because that is what they are doing by rooting against us so that Schoen and Daboll are fired.

Enough with the holier than you crap. You are attacking me right now you hypocrite by suggesting that I enjoy losing. screw you.   :boooo:

What is disingenuous is your claim that "wanting accountability that leads to sustained success" is "rooting for failure"   Why make up false claims just to attack people????

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 10:46:12 AMWhat is disingenuous is your claim that "wanting accountability that leads to sustained success" is "rooting for failure"   Why make up false claims just to attack people????

Because I never said that. Stop arguing for once in you life.

Quote from: TDToomer on January 06, 2025, 10:50:43 AMBecause I never said that. Stop arguing for once in you life.

I will make you a deal. You stop complaining, attacking your fellow posters, and making up false accusations, and I will stop "arguing." 

Deal???

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 10:22:04 AMSo how do you see things "working"?

By getting rid of the biggest impediment to success (DJ).

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 10:22:04 AMSo how do you see things "working"?

Can we at least wait to see what they do in FA and the draft?  Can we also see if Daboll implements a saying like, "All Ball" for training camp or institutes a system of extra laps for mistakes in practice?

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 06, 2025, 10:55:26 AMBy getting rid of the biggest impediment to success (DJ).

They did that, and things only got worse

Quote from: coggs on January 06, 2025, 10:55:40 AMCan we at least wait to see what they do in FA and the draft?  Can we also see if Daboll implements a cheesie saying like, "All Ball" for training camp or institutes a system of extra laps for mistakes in practice?

To a man, the players all wanted Daboll back.  The problem with player-friendly coaches like Daboll is holding players accountable.  The friendlier the HC, the more his players love him.  On the other hand, if that popularity is due to accountability, you see the drops, dumb penalties, and mental mistakes that plagued NYG in 2024.  Daboll has had three seasons to clean up those issues, and they have gotten progressively worse (a common theme with player-friendly coaches).

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 10:56:03 AMThey did that, and things only got worse

That's a mighty fine strawman.

Yes, it's true the backup QBs on the roster were no better than DJ.

And yes, it's also true that there are plenty of QBs out there who can be added who are better than DJ and will improve the team.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 06, 2025, 11:06:23 AMThat's a mighty fine strawman.

Yes, it's true the backup QBs on the roster were no better than DJ.

And yes, it's also true that there are plenty of QBs out there who can be added who are better than DJ and will improve the team.

The Giants lost to 2 teams with backup QBs (the Eagles had their PS QB technically), 3 if you count the Falcons starting Pennix instead of Cousins

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 10:53:38 AMI will make you a deal. You stop complaining, attacking your fellow posters, and making up false accusations, and I will stop "arguing." 

Deal???

I never attacked a single poster by name on this tread. Nothing I wrote was false. You just chose to quote and attack me start and endless fight which is what you are kind of known for. 

Quote from: TDToomer on January 06, 2025, 11:56:14 AMI never attacked a single poster by name on this tread.

So you figure that calling out the poster by name (despite the target being easily identifiable) means your attacks were okay?

Seriously, why are you so ill-tempered and always looking for a fight?
 

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 11:57:47 AMSo you figure that calling out the poster by name (despite the target being easily identifiable) means your attacks were okay?

Seriously, why are you so ill-tempered and always looking for a fight?
 

Again, I never called out any posters by name so now you are just continuing to lie.

Seriously, Why do you always have to have the last word and always looking for a fight?

How many coaches have turned it around after two disastrous seasons with the same team? And I mean a real turnaround?

Quote from: TDToomer on January 06, 2025, 12:02:13 PMAgain, I never called out any posters by name so now you are just continuing to lie.

Seriously, Why do you always have to have the last word and always looking for a fight?

Typo, you didn't use a name. You were rude, disrespectful, and dishonest, but you didn't actually use a name.  Somehow, you think that makes your bad behavior good.  Ironic that you STARTED crap and now dishonestly pretend that the target of your attack is the one "looking for a fight"

How about a day goes by where you don't insult or lie about me????

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 10:18:26 AMwe can also look at trends (which is often used in investing)

2022:  9-7-1
2023:  6-11
2024:  3-14
2025:  ?-?-?

2025:  5-12

Drafting somewhere between 5 and 10 in the 2026 draft and Daboll/Schoen are gone.

Quote from: GordonGekko80 on January 06, 2025, 12:15:14 PM2025:  5-12

Drafting somewhere between 5 and 10 in the 2026 draft and Daboll/Schoen are gone.

Unfortunately that seems like a very likely scenario.  Hopefully Schoen didn't give up too many 2026 picks in his quest for a QB

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 11:09:19 AMThe Giants lost to 2 teams with backup QBs (the Eagles had their PS QB technically), 3 if you count the Falcons starting Pennix instead of Cousins

Which, yet again, means absolutely nothing in the context of potential improvement next year with a different roster.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 06, 2025, 12:26:01 PMWhich, yet again, means absolutely nothing in the context of potential improvement next year with a different roster.

Bobby Skinner took a different approach.  He compared the top 10 players of the Giants with other teams.  The comparisons were not favorable for the Giants and much worse when you factor in the number of top 10 that Schoen and Daboll inherited.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 12:27:57 PMBobby Skinner took a different approach.  He compared the top 10 players of the Giants with other teams.  The comparisons were not favorable for the Giants and much worse when you factor in the number of top 10 that Schoen and Daboll inherited.

Yet another irrelevant point on the topic of potential for improvement in 2025.

I'm done. You continue to prove Toomer's point.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 06, 2025, 12:35:47 PMYet another irrelevant point on the topic of potential for improvement in 2025.

I'm done. You continue to prove Toomer's point.

No, I will let you win your argument, you can have that last word.   At for Toomer, do you share his love of trolling our forum?

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 12:27:57 PMBobby Skinner took a different approach.  He compared the top 10 players of the Giants with other teams.  The comparisons were not favorable for the Giants and much worse when you factor in the number of top 10 that Schoen and Daboll inherited.

Without Dex and AT it's a comically bad top-10. Now we have to worry about AT's long-term health.

Quote from: T200 on January 06, 2025, 10:05:54 AMThat's such a defeatist take

"Past performance is not indicative of future results."

Piss poor preparation leads to piss poor performance

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Guys
Do better
Take it to DM but not here

Quote from: GordonGekko80 on January 06, 2025, 12:15:14 PM2025:  5-12

Drafting somewhere between 5 and 10 in the 2026 draft and Daboll/Schoen are gone.

With our schedule for next year that could be generous.

Quote from: babywhales on January 06, 2025, 12:46:09 PMGuys
Do better
Take it to DM but not here

So Rich gets the last word after defaming my character and calling me a troll.

Quote from: TDToomer on January 06, 2025, 02:10:33 PMSo Rich gets the last word after defaming my character and calling me a troll.

I simply said , collectively do better

When I chimed in after I read the thread

Maybe next time I'll chime in after you make the last comment

You have been around long enough the audience knows the cast

Take it somewhere else via DM

I didn't support one over another, nor did I take sides.

Save that for the DM and all of you do better

Groundhog Day all over. See you next year this time when the idiot owner has another presser to fire the dynamic duo. Love to see the Vegas odds on that.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 09:48:09 AMSame management team = same results

If only this had held true following the 2022 season.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 06, 2025, 04:48:39 PMIf only this had held true following the 2022 season.

2022 only counts for certain arguments. This ain't one of them.

Quote from: T200 on January 06, 2025, 05:02:11 PM2022 only counts for certain arguments. This ain't one of them.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 06, 2025, 04:48:39 PMIf only this had held true following the 2022 season.

Jeff, I appreciate your point.  I think it's worth remembering that 2022 was achieved mostly on the roster they inherited.   

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 05:10:22 PMJeff, I appreciate your point.  I think it's worth remembering that 2022 was achieved mostly on the roster they inherited.   

That same roster didn't do squat in 2021 and was the reason there was new blood in 2022.

Your full-court press on Schoen and Daboll is valid. But where's the levity?

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 06, 2025, 10:14:24 AM"the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"

So insanity is ok when dealing with Daniel Jones, just not with the head coach that has had half the time and actually won coach of the year.

I understand you've got this full court press on Daboll and Schoen but they've had two bad years out of three largely because we had no Qb in those two years.

You had no problem beating the table and letting everyone know that Jones was the guy or should be the guy. You pushed that narrative for years and anyone that disagreed was a hater, wanted the Giants to lose, and so on. 

Just from the outside looking in, it seems like you soured on Daboll/schoen the moment Jones was cut. It might not be the case but just seems like the perception.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 06, 2025, 06:49:34 PMSo insanity is ok when dealing with Daniel Jones, just not with the head coach that has had half the time and actually won coach of the year.

I understand you've got this full court press on Daboll and Schoen but they've had two bad years out of three largely because we had no Qb in those two years.

You had no problem beating the table and letting everyone know that Jones was the guy or should be the guy. You pushed that narrative for years and anyone that disagreed was a hater, wanted the Giants to lose, and so on. 

Just from the outside looking in, it seems like you soured on Daboll/schoen the moment Jones was cut. It might not be the case but just seems like the perception.

Jess,


That is a fanciful bit of fiction, that runs completely contrary to the truth.  Because it doesn't fit agenda you ignored my criticism of Daboll over Wink or Schoen over Hard Knocks, well before DJ was cut.  You also ignore the fact that I am hardly alone in being critical of Schoen and Daboll.

So that that is my "outsider looking in take".  You can make all the excuses to justify Schoen and Daboll, but lying about me is out of bounds.