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The more I watch Nix play, the less confidence I have in Schoen/Daboll's ability to evaluate/develop QB's.
When you combine that with the QB room that we've had to endure, IMO it really calls them into question.
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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 12, 2025, 01:44:51 PMThe more I watch Nix play, the less confidence I have in Schoen/Daboll's ability to evaluate/develop QB's.
When you combine that with the QB room that we've had to endure, IMO it really calls them into question.
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Then 11 other teams have that issue as well.
Bo nix didn't jump off the page even in college, his first 3 years starting he was beyond pedestrian.
Haven't heard a dong that loud in a long time on that FG kick.
Clayton,
I'm not a fan of the other eleven teams, so their incompetence is not my problem.
The Giants have been my team since nine-teen seventy. I'm having the same sick feeling with this version as I had in nineteen seventy seven,seventy eight.
The Broncos and Bills game has been a fun one to watch
https://x.com/the33rdteamfb/status/1878529206570664125?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 12, 2025, 02:27:07 PMClayton,
I'm not a fan of the other eleven teams, so their incompetence is not my problem.
The Giants have been my team since nine-teen seventy. I'm having the same sick feeling with this version as I had in nineteen seventy seven,seventy eight.
I get that, I was simply pointing out that Bo nix wasn't a clean prospect like Daniels or Maye, he had a lot of warts. He was horrible at Auburn for 3 years and good in an Oregon system that makes it really easy on qbs with short/quick game passing. So he wasn't a qb for every head coach or staff.
Understood. But our HC is supposed to be a QB guru. Payton saw it in him, why couldn't Daboll.
Look I know I'm being nitpickey here, but I'm struggling to see Daboll's redeeming value here, and I would prefer that we don't stink for the next four or five years.
IMHO if Mara had any remorse for what he's done to the product on the field, the least he could do is hire a TRUE football man to run the Football Operation and give that person total control.
He needs to concede that he doesn't know what he's doing.
At least that would give us some hope.
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I was with the family this morning, so haven't been following game. Funny to read these comments and then see Nix through 3 quarters with 100 yards (and 40 of them on one pass) with 7 points on the board.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on January 12, 2025, 03:13:21 PMI was with the family this morning, so haven't been following game. Funny to read these comments and then see Nix through 3 quarters with 100 yards (and 40 of them on one pass) with 7 points on the board.
We are so used to horrible qb play that decent qb play starts looks miraculous.
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 12, 2025, 02:58:18 PMUnderstood. But our HC is supposed to be a QB guru. Payton saw it in him, why couldn't Daboll.
Because we had to ride or die with Jones. He was one year removed from the 80mil contract.
We were told all he needed was weapons. So they got him the best receiver in the draft.
They would have taken a chance with a QB that they thought was a "sure thing" - hence the attempt to trade up to
But they weren't taking a flyer on a potential QB, hence passing on JJ.
They wanted to either get one of two things - what they viewed as a franchise QB or get a weapon for Jones, who after 60 games (at the time), still had questions to be answered.
So they answered the question with Jones and they could put to bed any remaining questions around competence and eventually moved forward without him.
Sadly, when you back a player with questions and they never can be answered - the knock on effect is huge.
It's a pity they couldn't see the issues but there we are.
Wild to think 4 of the 5 qbs in the 2018 draft are in the playoffs and we passed on them for a running back. Well besides Mayfield who was taken #1. The hit rate on that class has to be top 3.
Mayfield
Darnold
Allen
Jackson
Bust Rosen
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 12, 2025, 03:44:54 PMWild to think 4 of the 5 qbs in the 2018 draft are in the playoffs and we passed on them for a running back. Well besides Mayfield who was taken #1. The hit rate on that class has to be top 3.
Mayfield
Darnold
Allen
Jackson
Bust Rosen
Outstanding set of QBs this season. I think Darnold might crash on Monday but that's by the by.
What I find interesting is the idea that 0 teams thought that Lamar wasn't worth 2 x first round picks.
The only reasonable explanation is that the owners to colluded to not offer him the fully guaranteed deal that he sought.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 12, 2025, 03:49:07 PMOutstanding set of QBs this season. I think Darnold might crash on Monday but that's by the by.
What I find interesting is the idea that 0 teams thought that Lamar wasn't worth 2 x first round picks.
The only reasonable explanation is that the owners to colluded to not offer him the fully guaranteed deal that he sought.
Just my opinion but Lamar Jackson would instantly completely transform 90% of the teams in the league to a contender. Similar to Josh Allen or pat mahomes overnight.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 12, 2025, 03:53:46 PMJust my opinion but Lamar Jackson would instantly completely transform 90% of the teams in the league to a contender. Similar to Josh Allen or pat mahomes overnight.
Oh absolutely. I agree, Jess.
We are in for some classic game next week. Bills Ravens. Wow. That's a great matchup. Josh Allen has thrown 40 or more tds 5 straight years? Incredible.
Love how the Bills get everyone involved and that translates in practice and preparation. Once again, Lamar is going to be judged on playoff performance. Fascinating matchup.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 12, 2025, 03:44:54 PMWild to think 4 of the 5 qbs in the 2018 draft are in the playoffs and we passed on them for a running back. Well besides Mayfield who was taken #1. The hit rate on that class has to be top 3.
Mayfield
Darnold
Allen
Jackson
Bust Rosen
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 12, 2025, 03:44:54 PMWild to think 4 of the 5 qbs in the 2018 draft are in the playoffs and we passed on them for a running back. Well besides Mayfield who was taken #1. The hit rate on that class has to be top 3.
Mayfield
Darnold
Allen
Jackson
Bust Rosen
Took seven years.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on January 12, 2025, 03:13:21 PMI was with the family this morning, so haven't been following game. Funny to read these comments and then see Nix through 3 quarters with 100 yards (and 40 of them on one pass) with 7 points on the board.
The seven year version of Josh against the rookie Nix. Let's see how Bo looks in six years. Everybody funny. Now you funny too.
Quote from: Ed Vette on January 12, 2025, 04:28:28 PMThe seven year version of Josh against the rookie Nix. Let's see how Bo looks in six years. Everybody funny. Now you funny too.
You misunderstand. I'm not criticizing Nix at all. Just don't get the fawning over him based off the game at that point.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on January 12, 2025, 04:33:12 PMYou misunderstand. I'm not criticizing Nix at all. Just don't get the fawning over him based off the game at that point.
That's because nobody is fawning over one game. This seems to be an issue with Giants fans - rushing to judgement over a tiny sample. I'm not dogging you out, posters were doing it with CJ Stroud and Bryce Young this year.
It appears young players can't have teething problems in the first couple of years.
To circle back to Nix, also consider this:
https://x.com/albertbreer/status/1878549883730215147?s=46&t=AA9Ptl-VPYK0JnuHE-oAWA
Dominating Bills performance, 31-7, on both sides of the line of scrimmage.
Baltimore up next for the Bills in what should be a monumental matchup.
Peace!
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 12, 2025, 04:37:27 PMIt appears young players can't have teething problems in the first couple of years.
Teething problems in the first couple of years? Absolutely fine.
Requiring six seasons of watching a player stink and paying him a boatload of money before finally admitting that he stinks? Not so much.
Terrible call on that fumble. What were they looking at?
Packers got screwed twice. Fumble recovery and helmet hit .
Guess we know who NFL wants to win this one. The guy clearly had the ball on the ground after the fumble
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Hold the ball like a loaf of bread, how much do you get paid?
Eight seconds in a clean pocket. What do you expect?
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 12, 2025, 04:37:27 PMThat's because nobody is fawning over one game. This seems to be an issue with Giants fans - rushing to judgement over a tiny sample. I'm not dogging you out, posters were doing it with CJ Stroud and Bryce Young this year.
It appears young players can't have teething problems in the first couple of years.
To circle back to Nix, also consider this:
https://x.com/albertbreer/status/1878549883730215147?s=46&t=AA9Ptl-VPYK0JnuHE-oAWA
This...
Quote from: Ed Vette on January 12, 2025, 04:49:09 PMHold the ball like a loaf of bread, how much do you get paid?
Eight seconds in a clean pocket. What do you expect?
I turned it off. After the Giants season, I don't need more aggravation
https://x.com/nflplus/status/1878561496613138859?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Packers' secondary came up with a huge stop on 3rd down, forcing a punt. Let's see if they can build momentum off of it.
Peace!
Eagles get a gift to start the game..opening kickoff fumble=TD. :sick: Redfaced
Packers getting pushed around by Philly front seven already..Looks bad already. No Packer pass rush. Yipes.
Don't like Love in this one..looks off..banged up.
Barkley looking great and so is the line who is blasting open lanes for him.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 12, 2025, 05:15:46 PMBarkley looking great and so is the line who is blasting open lanes for him.
So much for the rust theory.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 12, 2025, 05:15:46 PMBarkley looking great and so is the line who is blasting open lanes for him.
A tough game to watch for Giant fans.
Becton has made himself a lot of money with this transition to Guard.
The man will get a bag in FA/from the Eagles.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 12, 2025, 05:19:46 PMBecton has made himself a lot of money with this transition to Guard.
The man will get a bag in FA/from the Eagles.
It's the only real fault I've had with Daboll, the lack of trying Neal out at guard before his rookie deal comes up to see what you have. The rest of the issues I've had are more of a front office thing.
Living in New England I am getting very envious of the Pats...hired excellent coach ...no xxxxxxxx guy....lots of cap space ....franchise QB..... in just two years after Bill got fired.
And the Giants just keep stumbling along in the bottom of the NFL.....with same issues and poor management year after year.
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Every time I've watched Jordan Love I never get the hype or the justification for paying the guy crazy money for 3300 25 and 10.
Jordan Love, despite plenty of hype, seems closer to JAG to me than to star.
When I watch him I'm not seeing anything dramatically better than say a Geno Smith type. People act like he's the second coming.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 12, 2025, 06:03:39 PMEvery time I've watched Jordan Love I never get the hype or the justification for paying the guy crazy money for 3300 25 and 10.
Ha just posted something similar.
Overrated player.
Clayton,
I would KILL to have a QB with those numbers on this team.
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Packers flat as a pancake. 3 turnovers. Missed chippie fg..yowser. Love has been way off..looks jittery..defense has saved any hope for them down 10 zip
Jordan throwing with a sore elbow today. It may be contributing to his inaccuracy.
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These wildcard games haven't exactly been barn-buners so far.
Brutal.
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 12, 2025, 06:05:02 PMClayton,
I would KILL to have a QB with those numbers on this team.
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That's not far off what Daniel Jones had in 2022 and the Packers have more talent. I mean the Packers made Malik Willis look great when he couldn't break the 3rd string in Tennessee. So Loves game could be a Daniel Jones sized mirage but it's more likely that he's somewhere in that Derek Carr mold of being decent and really good at times but not elite.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 12, 2025, 06:10:25 PMThese wildcard games haven't exactly been barn-buners so far.
Brutal.
very similar to the first round of the cfp with the disparity in talent.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 12, 2025, 06:03:39 PMEvery time I've watched Jordan Love I never get the hype or the justification for paying the guy crazy money for 3300 25 and 10.
All based on a very good 6-8 games at the tail of the season when he was locked in.
It's the perils of the small sample. The best team they beat this year were the Rams.
However, I do think they can still beat the Eagles. But both offenses have been dire.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 12, 2025, 06:10:25 PMThese wildcard games haven't exactly been barn-buners so far.
Brutal.
Pretty much the same every year since they expanded the seeds.
Even then, I'm struggling to remember a decent WC game.
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 12, 2025, 06:06:34 PMJordan throwing with a sore elbow today. It may be contributing to his inaccuracy.
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I came here to say he looks horrible
But the elbow I was unaware of
What did Schoen say in hard knocks.....mmmmm....if Barkley leaves we can get Jacobs or Singletary in free agency ?
Ooops
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I could have started a new thread but decided not to . I am watching the Eagles- Packers game and the announcers Kevin Burkhardt and Tom Brady keep marvelling at the Eagles offensive line . I am not comparing personel , all I am commenting on is that Mehki Becton, a flop as a LT with the Jets is the starting guard on the Eagles OL.
Was it SChoen's hubris or Daboll's stubborness or both that Evan Neal was never tried out as a guard
Quote from: Woody on January 12, 2025, 06:58:56 PMWhat did Schoen say in hard knocks.....mmmmm....if Barkley leaves we can get Jacobs or Singletary in free agency ?
Ooops
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Some owners would have fired the two just for the embarrassment that was Hard Knocks.
Quote from: Woody on January 12, 2025, 06:58:56 PMWhat did Schoen say in hard knocks.....mmmmm....if Barkley leaves we can get Jacobs or Singletary in free agency ?
Ooops
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I must have missed all the wins we enjoyed during Barkley's tenure with the Giants. I wanted Barkley over Jones. However, what's the point of resigning Barkley without a legit QB to pair him with?
That is such a weak call ... giving Philly the game smh
Quote from: kingm56 on January 12, 2025, 07:08:00 PMI must have missed all the wins we enjoyed during Barkley's tenure with the Giants. I wanted Barkley over Jones. However, what's the point of resigning Barkley without a legit QB to pair him with?
I talking about Jacob's over Singltary. He runs much much harder than Singletary.
They could have gone after him
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Quote from: Woody on January 12, 2025, 07:09:32 PMI talking about Jacob's over Singltary. He runs much much harder than Singletary.
They could have gone after him
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It's the same paradigm as Barkley. Jacob is 26 and would be worthless without a legit QB. DS was cheap and is just a stop gap. I'm convinced Schoen knew what he had in DJ and wasn't going to lock himself into pointless contracts until he gets the QB situation fixed. Jacob's wouldn't have mattered this season.
Quote from: kingm56 on January 12, 2025, 07:15:02 PMIt's the same paradigm as Barkley. Jacob is 26 and would be worthless without a legit QB. DS was cheap and is just a stop gap. I'm convinced Schoen knew what he had in DJ and wasn't going to lock himself into pointless contracts until he gets the QB situation fixed. Jacob's wouldn't have mattered this season.
Yup. In hindsight, this could prove to be quite the vision.
Just have to wait and see where they are in 2-3 years.
Love with his best DJ impression there
Man that should've been a better throw and first down
Philly going to the next round
Disgusting
Difference in the game is the 3 turnovers.
Eagles deeply unimpressive.
Jordan Love bit the big one today. Did not look at all like a franchise QB despite missing some receivers. Way off all day. Lousy performance by the Packers. Eagles really could have in trouble but got fairly lucky today. They will not advance any further in they don't bring their A game next time.
If Washington wins,will they get them next week? Bucs?
wtf just happened ??
Did the refs completely erase a play ?
That last Eagirl interception, was the receiver not mugged on that play?
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Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 12, 2025, 07:02:52 PMI could have started a new thread but decided not to . I am watching the Eagles- Packers game and the announcers Kevin Burkhardt and Tom Brady keep marvelling at the Eagles offensive line . I am not comparing personel , all I am commenting on is that Mehki Becton, a flop as a LT with the Jets is the starting guard on the Eagles OL.
Was it SChoen's hubris or Daboll's stubborness or both that Evan Neal was never tried out as a guard
Becton and Neal are not the same. Neal plays like he has no heart or desire to be out there, regardless of the position.
We have a new OL coach. If he thought Neal had something to play at guard, I'd like to think he would have told Daboll. Schoen drafted him and I'm sure they talked about somehow salvaging the pick by trying him at guard. There's a reason he hasn't been tried at guard.
We are fans and we don't have a say in who plays where and when.
Defenses ruled the day on the 2nd game. Eagles got it done with 4 yards and a cloud of dust.
31 rushes for 150 yards and only 21 passes.
Quote from: killarich on January 12, 2025, 07:43:24 PMwtf just happened ??
Did the refs completely erase a play ?
What in the f'ing hell was that?
Another book-cooking BS play for this BS Iggle group and the a$$hole coach running them.
All that will turn on them before it's all said and done.
Just a pathetic lame excuse of a non call by the refs.
Ugh!
Quote from: T200 on January 12, 2025, 07:49:08 PMBecton and Neal are not the same. Neal plays like he has no heart or desire to be out there, regardless of the position.
We have a new OL coach. If he thought Neal had something to play at guard, I'd like to think he would have told Daboll. Schoen drafted him and I'm sure they talked about somehow salvaging the pick by trying him at guard. There's a reason he hasn't been tried at guard.
We are fans and we don't have a say in who plays where and when.
Still should have just TRIED
Quote from: kartanoman on January 12, 2025, 07:50:41 PMWhat in the f'ing hell was that?
Another book-cooking BS play for this BS Iggle group and the a$$hole coach running them.
All that will turn on them before it's all said and done.
Just a pathetic lame excuse of a non call by the refs.
Ugh!
And no flag thrown on Goddart who gave the "finger gun" when getting a 1st Down.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 12, 2025, 07:55:03 PMAnd no flag thrown on Goddart who gave the "finger gun" when getting a 1st Down.
Or Barkley standing there for a minute holding the first down hands
Any other team is taunting or excessive celebration
I'm fearing we may see Barkley and the Eagles in the Super Bowl this year.
I'm hoping that doesn't happen.
I'm Rooting for Washington.
Quote from: killarich on January 12, 2025, 07:51:45 PMStill should have just TRIED
Who's to say they didn't in practice?
Quote from: T200 on January 12, 2025, 08:23:58 PMWho's to say they didn't in practice?
Giant Beat writers would have been all over it because there was so much written that he had become a bust.
Oh by the way, Bobby Johnson is the Commanders OL coach.
WTF. This is why I don't like Dan Quinn. You take the points especially on the road. He lost a SB to the Pats because he simply didn't run time off the clock. Makes untimely bad decisions. Reminds me of the late Jim Fassel. I would have let him go after the Viking debacle. Those things repeat, and we had the collapse in SF.
Love Baker's intensity. He plays on fire. Give him a ton of credit for his determination and what a QB he is now. I didn't like him at first, but he's proven me wrong.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 12, 2025, 08:34:30 PMGiant Beat writers would have been all over it because there was so much written that he had become a bust.
Oh by the way, Bobby Johnson is the Commanders OL coach.
Are all practices open to the media?
Just my opinion but there's nothing separating the commanders and giants offense besides the qb. At full health our oline is better.
Is it just me or when did NFL start to have an official stand on sidelines beside the head coach ...? Is this something new?
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Quote from: files58 on January 12, 2025, 08:36:33 PMWTF. This is why I don't like Dan Quinn. You take the points especially on the road. He lost a SB to the Pats because he simply didn't run time off the clock. Makes untimely bad decisions. Reminds me of the late Jim Fassel. I would have let him go after the Viking debacle. Those things repeat, and we had the collapse in SF.
The Viking debacle was because Chris Calloway dropped the onside kick that was right in his hands.
The SF collapse was the beginning of his end.
I don't like Dan Quinn because he wears his hat backwards like a frat boy.
The Giants have to play against #5 twice a year for the next decade. Oy!
I love how Daniel's keeps his eyes down field when he scrambles.
Kick the field goal Just dumb
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 12, 2025, 03:44:54 PMWild to think 4 of the 5 qbs in the 2018 draft are in the playoffs and we passed on them for a running back. Well besides Mayfield who was taken #1. The hit rate on that class has to be top 3.
Agreed. Watching Rosen you got the sense his heart wasn't in it and college. He seemed like a bust before he was even drafted. Just my lame eye test.
Mayfield
Darnold
Allen
Jackson
Bust Rosen
A botched handoff and a botched snap will doom the Bucs.
Washington is going to Detroit. Go Lions.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 12, 2025, 08:47:13 PMJust my opinion but there's nothing separating the commanders and giants offense besides the qb. At full health our oline is better.
That's like saying that there is nothing separating you and Warren Buffet financially except that he owns all those shares of Berkshire Hathaway Stock.
The more I watch Daniels, the more I think that Schoen should've traded up to get him.
Daboll wasn't wrong about him.
Would we have made the Playoffs? I don't think so. Would he have been an impact player for years to come? For sure.
I was discussing the AFC strength vs the NFC one...
It's insane that out of 4 teams left in the AFC, 3 are KC, Baltimore and Buffalo.
Those are probably the best teams in football right now.
Sure, the Lions are a heck of a team, and so are the Eagles... But I still think KC, BAL and BUF are better.
Whoever gets into the SB from the AFC probably deserves it the most.
And we'll potentially end up having a better Championship game than the SB itself.
Quote from: files58 on January 12, 2025, 08:36:33 PMWTF. This is why I don't like Dan Quinn. You take the points especially on the road. He lost a SB to the Pats because he simply didn't run time off the clock. Makes untimely bad decisions. Reminds me of the late Jim Fassel. I would have let him go after the Viking debacle. Those things repeat, and we had the collapse in SF.
Dan Quinn will go down as the coach who lost the SB after dominating it until midway through the third quarter, being up 28:3.
And what he's done yesterday could've easily cost the Commies the Divisional Round... They were just lucky it didn't.
Quote from: GordonGekko80 on January 13, 2025, 04:23:12 AMThe more I watch Daniels, the more I think that Schoen should've traded up to get him.
Daboll wasn't wrong about him.
Would we have made the Playoffs? I don't think so. Would he have been an impact player for years to come? For sure.
You make it seem like he didn't try. You need a willing trade partner.
Quote from: GordonGekko80 on January 13, 2025, 04:24:50 AMI was discussing the AFC strength vs the NFC one...
It's insane that out of 4 teams left in the AFC, 3 are KC, Baltimore and Buffalo.
Those are probably the best teams in football right now.
Sure, the Lions are a heck of a team, and so are the Eagles... But I still think KC, BAL and BUF are better.
Whoever gets into the SB from the AFC probably deserves it the most.
And we'll potentially end up having a better Championship game than the SB itself.
Seems like the elite QBs are concentrated in the AFC, with Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Mahommes.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 13, 2025, 08:38:54 AMYou make it seem like he didn't try. You need a willing trade partner.
I don't think Schoen really wanted to draft Daniels.
Daboll clearly didn't believe in Jones, but Schoen still was...
Quote from: GordonGekko80 on January 13, 2025, 12:08:03 PMI don't think Schoen really wanted to draft Daniels.
Daboll clearly didn't believe in Jones, but Schoen still was...
:o :o :o
Quote from: GordonGekko80 on January 13, 2025, 12:08:03 PMI don't think Schoen really wanted to draft Daniels.
Daboll clearly didn't believe in Jones, but Schoen still was...
That is utterly untrue. Schoen tried to trade up to get any of the top 3 QBs and was rebuffed.
Quote from: GordonGekko80 on January 13, 2025, 12:08:03 PMI don't think Schoen really wanted to draft Daniels.
Daboll clearly didn't believe in Jones, but Schoen still was...
Is this a Mad Libs? * corrected thanks TD
Schoen still was stuck between a rock and a hard place
Schoen still was trying to not have his career tied to Jones career.
Schoen still trying to hedge his bets on a QB coming off a playoff win vs Vikings
Quote from: babywhales on January 13, 2025, 02:12:19 PMIs this an Ad Libs?
Schoen still was stuck between a rock and a hard place
Schoen still was trying to not have his career tied to Jones career.
Schoen still trying to hedge his bets on a QB coming off a playoff win vs Vikings
Mad Libs?