Seems to me the Giants are already being stroked by Coach Prime for his QB son. This would be a terrible overreach. A trade up is a disaster..taking him at 3 would also be highly questionable. I don't like his game, his potential. Deion hopes the Raiders will make it a package deal as Coach/QB tandem. I love to have them trade up to 3..get a really nice package to rebuild.
Bottom line: Schoen can't be so foolish with franchise just to save his job. Desperation is a bad negotiating position and they Giants have to think long term rebuild..as many quality players they can get (the GM just touted his recent class etc,##), so why pay an enormous price for Sanders?
What's your preference for the Giants QB situation:
1) draft Sanders at 3
2) draft a qb in round 2
3) sign a FA qb
4) hope they lose most games in 2025 so they can draft a QB in 2026?
Guys: if Sanders is there at number 3, the Giants will take him. They won't need to trade, and they won't trade down. They don't need to make any deals. They will simply take Sanders. Better get used to the idea now.
Getting Sanders without having to trade up would be just fine with me. I'm higher on Ward because of his ceiling but Sanders will be a perfectly fine FQB. I'm also fine with trading back and taking Carter and getting a guy like Dart in the 2nd or 3rd (doubt he makes it past 2nd). What I don't want to do is throw draft equity to move up one spot to get a guy we could have gotten easily before the meaningless with vs Indy.
Sanders is more NFL ready than Ward, but Ward has better physical gifts and overall potential I think.
I like them both and would be ok with either.
Sanders is not a mobile QB. Our OL is not good and Thomas is always injured. If we draft Sanders in round 1 we better be drafting an OT and G to start in 2-3.
Please dont say "before AT got injured the OL was ok." It has never been good but only marginal. Also he will get injured. Book it. We need two OL out of this draft. Push starters to bench for better depth.
Rather than making statements like I want this guy and I don't like this guy, you should give relevant details why you would make such a statement.
Lousy Bowler
Lousy Pool Player
Can't speak French
Doesn't pay his debts
2) draft a qb in round 2 AND also
3) sign a FA qb.
no qb in 25 draft is 1st round worthy. 2nd...Will Howard, OSU. Sanders...NO!
Quote from: Ed Vette on January 13, 2025, 08:36:14 AMRather than making statements like I want this guy and I don't like this guy, you should give relevant details why you would make such a statement.
Lousy Bowler
Lousy Pool Player
Can't speak French
Doesn't pay his debts
Don't forget - Can't Cook!
What I like about Sanders is that despite not having a very good offensive line and being sacked 42 times this past season, he still performed well. Throwing for 4000+ yards, 37 TDs, and 10 INTs for a guy not considered to be mobile is just what the Giants need at QB. He doesn't get rattled and has a short memory.
Having not seen much college ball this season, and certainly none of Sanders and Ward, I get my information from the different posts on here.
Are there any current players that are decent comparisons to the two prospects? Opinions seem to be mixed on both.
Quote from: BlueMoshik on January 13, 2025, 07:53:04 AMGuys: if Sanders is there at number 3, the Giants will take him. They won't need to trade, and they won't trade down. They don't need to make any deals. They will simply take Sanders. Better get used to the idea now.
This is the boat I feel like I am in. I haven't seen enough of him to have any real opinion of his game. I do know however that the team's current QB room will have to be upgraded via draft and FA this offseason and if Sanders checks enough boxes with Daboll and Schoen, they are going to take him if he is there at 3.
If we draft Sanders, then Josh Conerly, OLT from Oregon, is my preferred round 2 draft pick. I saw him against Ohio State in the CFP and he neutralized Ohio State's entire right side Edge/DT. He looked fabulous. Moves so well and uses his arms and hands almost perfectly.
Read this writeup of Josh Conerly.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/2024/10/14/josh-conerly-jr-scouting-report-nfl-draft
My choice is to sign a FA QB , maybe 2 , draft Mason Graham or Abdul Carter , Sign DJ Reed in FA , draft at least 2 OL and fire the scouts or scout who suggested Josh Ezeudu, and Marcus McKethan
They will not have to trade down for him. He will be there for them if they want him.
Quote from: BlueMoshik on January 13, 2025, 07:53:04 AMGuys: if Sanders is there at number 3, the Giants will take him. They won't need to trade, and they won't trade down. They don't need to make any deals. They will simply take Sanders. Better get used to the idea now.
I suspect that's the case, but if the Raiders come calling, Schoen has to listen and build a better roster more importantly. I would be fine with that. Sanders gives fans hope. but I want value at a number of other needed positions. Sanders is hardly in the company of Daniels or Maye. Williams,too.
Quote from: BlueMoshik on January 13, 2025, 07:53:04 AMGuys: if Sanders is there at number 3, the Giants will take him. They won't need to trade, and they won't trade down. They don't need to make any deals. They will simply take Sanders. Better get used to the idea now.
BlueM: My nightmare scenario. Bob
Why everyone wants the Giants to get guys that would have been behind Mccarthy and Nix last year is beyond me. Sanders is like the 17th best prospect in his own class. No thank you, I'd rather be bad another year than take the wrong guy.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 13, 2025, 11:09:14 AMWhy everyone wants the Giants to get guys that would have been behind Mccarthy and Nix last year is beyond me. Sanders is like the 17th best prospect in his own class. No thank you, I'd rather be bad another year than take the wrong guy.
J: Yeah, I figure the 2026 draft group will have one or two TRUE high-1st-round-worthy QB's. Bob
Quote from: Philosophers on January 13, 2025, 08:29:44 AMSanders is not a mobile QB. Our OL is not good and Thomas is always injured. If we draft Sanders in round 1 we better be drafting an OT and G to start in 2-3.
Please dont say "before AT got injured the OL was ok." It has never been good but only marginal. Also he will get injured. Book it. We need two OL out of this draft. Push starters to bench for better depth.
You don't go into the upcoming free agency and draft without being able to recite the above, word for word, lest you wish the offense to gyrate further to their net growth of minus "choose the offensive category" over the last few seasons.
Fix the damn offensive line, and reinforce it with improved depth, once and for all!!!
For every one of you who watched the Packers-Iggles debacle yesterday, the Pack did a fine rendition of the Giants' offensive line in 2024, in the span of their one-and-done playoff game. At the end, it was beyond pitiful to watch them. The Packers' fans got a taste of the bad medicine Giants' fans have been taking over the last 10 years or so.
Is this Giants team going to continue to make excuses for the offensive line or are they going to make a concerted effort to fix it, once and for all, and make it a top priority?
Will they actually "get it" this time around?
Peace!
P.S. NO to Sanders and NOT because of Deion. Personally, I think he would be outstanding as a spokesperson for the Giants with his "I believe in Eli" antics. Silly but those two together would make a buzz in the northeast if the Giants actually draft his son.
Isn't anyone concerned about Sanders rushing?
399 Carries for 29 yards in his college career, that is a 0.1 yards per carry. Negative yards rushing in 3 of the 4 years. His dad has coached him through out his college career. NFL players get faster and faster. I don't see how Sanders will succeed in the NFL. Sanders will be there at 3 which I think is an over reach. He is second round pick they hype up is what needs to be avoided. I feel he is the most hyped player in the draft.
His passing stats are good but have to take into consideration his dad is the coach and probably taught all the plays from the very beginning.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 13, 2025, 11:09:14 AMWhy everyone wants the Giants to get guys that would have been behind Mccarthy and Nix last year is beyond me. Sanders is like the 17th best prospect in his own class. No thank you, I'd rather be bad another year than take the wrong guy.
Because they passed on those higher ranked QB last year, took a WR who was good but the team went 3-14 despite his talent because they didn't have a QB and now with an ultimatum to win in a year, they are desperate. They put themselves in this position.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 13, 2025, 11:09:14 AMWhy everyone wants the Giants to get guys that would have been behind Mccarthy and Nix last year is beyond me. Sanders is like the 17th best prospect in his own class. No thank you, I'd rather be bad another year than take the wrong guy.
Completely agree. Sign Mariota to a short deal. Draft a QB this year in 3rd round or later - or pass on drafting one this year. And then take one in the 1st next year, where there are 5+ guys I'd take over Sanders.
Ideally, if Sanders is still there, trade #3 to Raiders for #6, their 2nd this year, and 3rd next year. Then take Johnson, Carter, Graham in that order at #6.
Quote from: katkavage on January 13, 2025, 11:47:51 AMBecause they passed on those higher ranked QB last year, took a WR who was good but the team went 3-14 despite his talent because they didn't have a QB and now with an ultimatum to win in a year, they are desperate. They put themselves in this position.
kat: Let's just hope they don't make what WE see as an "obvious" mistake and take a QB just to say they took one.
However, if we fans are wrong about either or both of the supposed top two QB's and the Giants' employees who earn money evaluating QB's believe either or both are worth taking so high in the first round, and the Giants draft one, I'd be behind that player 100 percent because I would assume they know better than I do.
In any event, you made a great point, IMO.
Bob
Sanders couldn't win the big 12 with Travis Hunter and horn Jr as his wrs. That alone should alarm anyone scouting him.
Quote from: Philosophers on January 13, 2025, 08:29:44 AMSanders is not a mobile QB. Our OL is not good and Thomas is always injured. If we draft Sanders in round 1 we better be drafting an OT and G to start in 2-3.
Please dont say "before AT got injured the OL was ok." It has never been good but only marginal. Also he will get injured. Book it. We need two OL out of this draft. Push starters to bench for better depth.
Wasn't the line ranked in the top 10 statistically after the first several weeks before Thomas' injury though? Isn't that progress, shouldn't we expect more development from a good oline coach in year 2? We've spent so much capital on olineman that I'm perfectly fine paying for them in FA and addressing QB, WR, DE, CB etc through the draft with coat controlled contracts.
Quote from: katkavage on January 13, 2025, 11:47:51 AMBecause they passed on those higher ranked QB last year, took a WR who was good but the team went 3-14 despite his talent because they didn't have a QB and now with an ultimatum to win in a year, they are desperate. They put themselves in this position.
I get that the fans feel some sense of desperation but does that mean Schoen and Daboll are?
And if somehow they convey they are, does that mean they will make moves solely based on that desperation?
And further still, does that mean the decisions they make won't work out?
Quote from: T200 on January 13, 2025, 12:25:09 PMI get that the fans feel some sense of desperation but does that mean Schoen and Daboll are?
And if somehow they convey they are, does that mean they will make moves solely based on that desperation?
And further still, does that mean the decisions they make won't work out?
Tim: I honestly believe Daboll will argue strenuously against any QB he does not see as one he wants to work with (which IMO - just guessing - will eliminate Sanders from contention as a possible 1st-round pick.
Almost all NFL coaches are immune to fear about getting fired.
I don't think Schoen has ever been fired from a football-related job and worry about him more than Daboll. Suppose the scouts tell him a guy is great and Daboll disagrees? That is my nightmare scenario within a nightmare scenario.
Bob
Quote from: Giantleap56 on January 13, 2025, 11:38:18 AMIsn't anyone concerned about Sanders rushing?
399 Carries for 29 yards in his college career, that is a 0.1 yards per carry. Negative yards rushing in 3 of the 4 years.
Does anyone have a decent explanation of this? Ward isn't much of a runner either but amassed 469 yards on 400 carries. I know Sanders was sacked alot (152 sacks in 1800 dropbacks) compared to Wards college career (156 sacks in 2329 dropbacks) but how do you average .1 YPC?
Quote from: Soundwave401 on January 13, 2025, 12:34:28 PMDoes anyone have a decent explanation of this? Ward isn't much of a runner either but amassed 469 yards on 400 carries. I know Sanders was sacked alot (152 sacks in 1800 dropbacks) compared to Wards college career (156 sacks in 2329 dropbacks) but how do you average .1 YPC?
SoundW: Are you sure about the number of carries for Ward? Looks like a typo. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on January 13, 2025, 12:37:25 PMSoundW: Are you sure about the number of carries for Ward? Looks like a typo. Bob
That is what ESPN has posted for his rushing stats
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/stats/_/id/4688380/cam-ward
Quote from: Bob In PA on January 13, 2025, 12:29:44 PMTim: I honestly believe Daboll will argue strenuously against any QB he does not see as one he wants to work with (which IMO - just guessing - will eliminate Sanders from contention as a possible 1st-round pick).
Almost all NFL coaches are immune to fear about getting fired.
I don't think Schoen has ever been fired from a football-related job and worry about him more than Daboll. Suppose the scouts tell him a guy is great and Daboll disagrees? That is my nightmare scenario within a nightmare scenario.
Bob
I agree, Bob. I don't think he'll take Sanders if he doesn't have an eye for him. Or any QB.
Where the old school thought of 'you can't win this a running QB', has changed dramatically, in that in today's game you can't win without a mobile/running QB. As desperate we are for a QB and we ARE desperate, I would also pass on Sanders. Today's game requires a QB who can move and run. I think that's the only reason why Jones's lasted so long, his running ability. Draft the best prospect in rd 2 and sign a veteran.
Quote from: T200 on January 13, 2025, 12:49:58 PMI agree, Bob. I don't think he'll take Sanders if he doesn't have an eye for him. Or any QB.
I feel the same, Tim. The notion he'll reach for a QB, which is perpetuated by some posters here, would be out-of-character. The roster is good enough to show improvement in '25 with the right FA QB.
Quote from: Soundwave401 on January 13, 2025, 12:34:28 PMDoes anyone have a decent explanation of this? Ward isn't much of a runner either but amassed 469 yards on 400 carries. I know Sanders was sacked alot (152 sacks in 1800 dropbacks) compared to Wards college career (156 sacks in 2329 dropbacks) but how do you average .1 YPC?
In college, sacks count against your rushing totals. So if you had 5 actual runs for 20 yards but were sacked 5 times for -20 yards, your rushing total for that game would be 0 yards.
Quote from: T200 on January 13, 2025, 12:25:09 PMI get that the fans feel some sense of desperation but does that mean Schoen and Daboll are?
And if somehow they convey they are, does that mean they will make moves solely based on that desperation?
And further still, does that mean the decisions they make won't work out?
I hope they aren't desperate. My best scenario is they pass on QBs, wing it with one of these mediocre bridge QBs, suck again next year, which is very likely, then both Schoen and Daboll get fired and the new GM and HC pick their QB--the way it should be done. Not the way the Giants usually do things, ass backwards.
Quote from: LennG on January 13, 2025, 01:00:29 PMWhere the old school thought of 'you can't win this a running QB', has changed dramatically, in that in today's game you can't win without a mobile/running QB. As desperate we are for a QB and we ARE desperate, I would also pass on Sanders. Today's game requires a QB who can move and run. I think that's the only reason why Jones's lasted so long, his running ability. Draft the best prospect in rd 2 and sign a veteran.
The NFCs #1 seed doesn't have a mobile QB, nor does the #3, #4 or #5 seeds. More than half the NFC playoff teams are led by gun slingers, as opposed to mobile QBs. I prefer a mobile QB akin to Jayden Daniels; however, the evidence suggest it's not necessary, if you have a 4000+ yard/30+ YD QB.
Quote from: katkavage on January 13, 2025, 01:08:48 PMI hope they aren't desperate. My best scenario is they pass on QBs, wing it with one of these mediocre bridge QBs, suck again next year, which is very likely, then both Schoen and Daboll get fired and the new GM and HC pick their QB--the way it should be done. Not the way the Giants usually do things, ass backwards.
In that scenario, if they show improvement (6-10 wins) with a mediocre bridge QB throwing to Nabers and Company, it's going to be hard to justify canning them both.
Quote from: kingm56 on January 13, 2025, 01:02:38 PMI feel the same, Tim. The notion he'll reach for a QB, which is perpetuated by some posters here, would be out-of-character. The roster is good enough to show improvement in '25 with the right FA QB.
Who possibly could be the right FA QB to get the team to win more than 6 games with the schedule they have? The best hope for the Giants next year is that some of the teams that did well this year regress like Washington, Minnesota, Denver, and a few others. Otherwise it's a killer schedule as of today.
Quote from: T200 on January 13, 2025, 01:12:54 PMIn that scenario, if they show improvement (6-10 wins) with a mediocre bridge QB throwing to Nabers and Company, it's going to be hard to justify canning them both.
On paper as of today with, let's say, Justin Fields or Jimmy Garapolo, where are the six to ten wins? Of course anything can happen during the off season and some of the much better teams they play next year could have big QB injuries, but how many wins will they get in their division next year? And then the games against the NFC North and AFC West? Raiders. Saints, Bears, Patriots. Right now those are their only winnable games.
Quote from: Philosophers on January 13, 2025, 09:22:05 AMIf we draft Sanders, then Josh Conerly, OLT from Oregon, is my preferred round 2 draft pick. I saw him against Ohio State in the CFP and he neutralized Ohio State's entire right side Edge/DT. He looked fabulous. Moves so well and uses his arms and hands almost perfectly.
Read this writeup of Josh Conerly.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/2024/10/14/josh-conerly-jr-scouting-report-nfl-draft
Conerly would be a great pick in the 2nd if he is available.
Quote from: katkavage on January 13, 2025, 01:17:35 PMOn paper as of today with, let's say, Justin Fields or Jimmy Garapolo, where are the six to ten wins? Of course anything can happen during the off season and some of the much better teams they play next year could have big QB injuries, but how many wins will they get in their division next year? And then the games against the NFC North and AFC West? Raiders. Saints, Bears, Patriots. Right now those are their only winnable games.
If I had that gift, I sure as hell wouldn't waste it on football! :P
Every season is different. A bounce here and there can quickly change a loss to a win and vice versa.
Not a single person can accurately predict any team's schedule. I'm not quite sure the reason for the question.
Quote from: katkavage on January 13, 2025, 01:13:38 PMWho possibly could be the right FA QB to get the team to win more than 6 games with the schedule they have? The best hope for the Giants next year is that some of the teams that did well this year regress like Washington, Minnesota, Denver, and a few others. Otherwise it's a killer schedule as of today.
Im not concerned with next years strength of schedule. A lot could happen between now and then. How many teams looked at Wash and Minn last year and marked it as a W? Several fans on this site did. How many thought Dal, Mia, Saints, Colts, Jac, etc were going to be a tough games? At this point, SoS means nothing...
Quote from: T200 on January 13, 2025, 01:20:48 PMIf I had that gift, I sure as hell wouldn't waste it on football! :P
Every season is different. A bounce here and there can quickly change a loss to a win and vice versa.
Not a single person can accurately predict any team's schedule. I'm not quite sure the reason for the question.
No, you are correct. I'm just going with the odds. You are hoping for a revival. That's great. It could happen. But I wouldn't bet on it. As far as coaches go, we've seen enough of Daboll to see his many flaws as "head coach." You'll go back to 2022 when they did over achieve due to many factors including a weak schedule and a few very close wins. The worst thing that happened to the future of Giants was 2022. It masked their many deficiencies especially at QB. And now it's given the regime one extra year when by most calculations they should be gone. I have no crystal ball, but there is just no evidence that this team, based on their personnel, coaching and schedule, can be very successful next year.
Quote from: kingm56 on January 13, 2025, 01:02:38 PMI feel the same, Tim. The notion he'll reach for a QB, which is perpetuated by some posters here, would be out-of-character. The roster is good enough to show improvement in '25 with the right FA QB.
I also agree, significant improvement is enough in 2025, they will do what they can, if its a QB at 3 great, if not, then OK. They can still field a much better team in 2025 without a QB at 3 if they dont like who is there.
Quote from: katkavage on January 13, 2025, 01:08:48 PMI hope they aren't desperate. My best scenario is they pass on QBs, wing it with one of these mediocre bridge QBs, suck again next year, which is very likely, then both Schoen and Daboll get fired and the new GM and HC pick their QB--the way it should be done. Not the way the Giants usually do things, ass backwards.
So, you WANT 2025 to be another horrific season?
Quote from: kingm56 on January 13, 2025, 01:22:59 PMIm not concerned with next years strength of schedule. A lot could happen between now and then. How many teams looked at Wash and Minn last year and marked it as a W? Several fans on this site did. How many thought Dal, Mia, Saints, Colts, Jac, etc were going to be a tough games? At this point, SoS means nothing...
For the record, I thought the Giants would win their first two games. The revival at Minnesota was a surprise. I knew Daniels would be a stud and thought the Giants would split with them, not beat them twice as they have in the past. I always had the Colts as a win in 2024. Dallas had issues going into the season and when they lost Prescott that amplified it all. But the Giants lost to them twice, so there's that. Cleveland I thought would be a loss, but we know how bad they were with and without Watson. So they beat a team as bad as they were. Seattle was a pick em before the season. That was the Giants best game of the year. The Panthers I had as a win. I always thought the Saints, Falcons and Bucs as possible wins. No better than 50/50. Next year's schedule is much harder than last year's, but you are right. Things happen. But don't bet on it.
Quote from: MrGap92 on January 13, 2025, 01:28:35 PMSo, you WANT 2025 to be another horrific season?
If it means a better future for the team, yes. If we fans are stuck in the lower middle, the hell with that.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 13, 2025, 01:07:35 PMIn college, sacks count against your rushing totals. So if you had 5 actual runs for 20 yards but were sacked 5 times for -20 yards, your rushing total for that game would be 0 yards.
Thanks wasn't aware that is how it's tallied in NCAA! That is pretty dumb though. Sacks occur on passing plays.. how it ends up being negative rushing yards is inane. The way the NFL does it makes alot more sense.
Sanders has some of the smoothest set-to-throw of any QB I've seen the last few years. He has quick agile feet in his dropback, reads his progressions quickly, and has a quick trigger to release the ball. He's very comfortable with his mechanics so I doubt that they will mess with it too much at the next level. He secures the ball with two hands while he's set or moving within the pocket, so he's not going to get striped on the blind side, and believe me his Oline was not that good.
He's nore of an arm thrower than using the ground and his hips to open up his left shoulder. Often he's seen having his left shoulder pull his right side, and push the ball. Often in an overhand release. While he does whip from the open ball facing the ground, it's a quick snap. He will never be accused of a big windup. This affects the velocity of his throws. He can make all the throws, but the speed to get ball to the target can be improved.
He's mostly consistent in his throwing motion, but when he's off-platform, he will then adjust accordingly. I've seen him outside the pocket looking for his receivers to get open after things break down, then see his target and reset his base to throw. It's a beautiful thing to watch. He will look downfield for all options and run only as a last choice. He knows he doesn't have the elite speed and elusiveness to be a run threat. I'm sure Pops drilled it in him. Oddly enough, he's a very good athlete. However even he won't pass up an open A Gap when it spreads, but his gain will be minimal, and he's no Baker Mayfield or Josh Allen battling for the extra yards. Still, he will hang in the pocket, and take the hit to get that pass off if he sees it.
I don't see him throwing into tight windows over the middle or on quick-out routes, so although he has a quick release, I see him using it more on the boundaries in screen passes, Flat hitches, and checks with anticipation. Without that velocity, he will work the field with timing, or pass to a wide open Receiver downfield. I've seen him read through to his 4th option with instantaneous recognition in about 2 seconds, hitch to set and deliver the pass. The kid is polished. He's going to need to identify the Hot Read in a Blitz, where I see him failing a few times. He puts too much trust in this LT. He's also going to need to learn how to utilize his TE's because Colorado lives in 10 Personnel.
I hope he gets with the right team, and they sit him for at least a half-season. He has the talent to be an excellent QB in the right system.
That said,
he can't cook
he can't speak French
and he's a lousy bowler.
Quote from: Ed Vette on January 13, 2025, 03:04:21 PMSanders has some of the smoothest set-to-throw of any QB I've seen the last few years. He has quick agile feet in his dropback, reads his progressions quickly, and has a quick trigger to release the ball. He's very comfortable with his mechanics so I doubt that they will mess with it too much at the next level. He secures the ball with two hands while he's set or moving within the pocket, so he's not going to get striped on the blind side, and believe me his Oline was not that good.
He's nore of an arm thrower than using the ground and his hips to open up his left shoulder. Often he's seen having his left shoulder pull his right side, and push the ball. Often in an overhand release. While he does whip from the open ball facing the ground, it's a quick snap. He will never be accused of a big windup. This affects the velocity of his throws. He can make all the throws, but the speed to get ball to the target can be improved.
He's mostly consistent in his throwing motion, but when he's off-platform, he will then adjust accordingly. I've seen him outside the pocket looking for his receivers to get open after things break down, then see his target and reset his base to throw. It's a beautiful thing to watch. He will look downfield for all options and run only as a last choice. He knows he doesn't have the elite speed and elusiveness to be a run threat. I'm sure Pops drilled it in him. Oddly enough, he's a very good athlete. However even he won't pass up an open A Gap when it spreads, but his gain will be minimal, and he's no Baker Mayfield or Josh Allen battling for the extra yards. Still, he will hang in the pocket, and take the hit to get that pass off if he sees it.
I don't see him throwing into tight windows over the middle or on quick-out routes, so although he has a quick release, I see him using it more on the boundaries in screen passes, Flat hitches, and checks with anticipation. Without that velocity, he will work the field with timing, or pass to a wide open Receiver downfield. I've seen him read through to his 4th option with instantaneous recognition in about 2 seconds, hitch to set and deliver the pass. The kid is polished. He's going to need to identify the Hot Read in a Blitz, where I see him failing a few times. He puts too much trust in this LT. He's also going to need to learn how to utilize his TE's because Colorado lives in 10 Personnel.
I hope he gets with the right team, and they sit him for at least a half-season. He has the talent to be an excellent QB in the right system.
That said,
he can't cook
he can't speak French
and he's a lousy bowler.
I see him being perfect for that Oregon style offense that Nix was in. That hot read, dink/dunk, and schemed open reads. I don't know that an NFL team runs that currently but that would be his best spot.
Quote from: MrGap92 on January 13, 2025, 01:28:35 PMSo, you WANT 2025 to be another horrific season?
If I am not mistaken you were happy with glee that Mara retained Daboll and Schoen. Yes, we disagreed on that point but I asked to give your reasons why you were happy with Mara's decision . If you posted it I never saw it.
They are going to probably have another bad season .Their schedule includes Commanders, Cowboys and Eagles twice . Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, Lions, Vikings , Packers . That could possibly be 12 losses . You are left with The Bears, Pats, Saints , 49ers, and Raiders. The 49ers will be better and the Pats with Vrabel could also be.
There is no Jayden Daniels, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen or Eli Manning riding in on a white horse to save the day.
Any QB drafted will sit on the bench for awhile.
Mara would say, we won 6 games or 5 games that was better than 2024 so I am going to continue with Daboll and Schoen and I have a feeling you would be applauding his decision.
The better move , and you disagree, would have been to clean house , start over . Daboll might have been a good OC in Buffalo but he stinks as a HC. He is stubborn and is a member of the Bill ARnsbarger Dave Wannstadt Syndrome . Good Assistants but poor as head coach.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 13, 2025, 03:43:25 PMIf I am not mistaken you were happy with glee that Mara retained Daboll and Schoen. Yes, we disagreed on that point but I asked to give your reasons why you were happy with Mara's decision . If you posted it I never saw it.
They are going to probably have another bad season .Their schedule includes Commanders, Cowboys and Eagles twice . Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, Lions, Vikings , Packers . That could possibly be 12 losses . You are left with The Bears, Pats, Saints , 49ers, and Raiders. The 49ers will be better and the Pats with Vrabel could also be.
There is no Jayden Daniels, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen or Eli Manning riding in on a white horse to save the day.
Any QB drafted will sit on the bench for awhile.
Mara would say, we won 6 games or 5 games that was better than 2024 so I am going to continue with Daboll and Schoen and I have a feeling you would be applauding his decision.
The better move , and you disagree, would have been to clean house , start over . Daboll might have been a good OC in Buffalo but he stinks as a HC. He is stubborn and is a member of the Bill ARnsbarger Dave Wannstadt Syndrome . Good Assistants but poor as head coach.
Daboll gets too much credit for the development of Josh Allen. When in fact it was Chris Hess who Allen credits for changing his throwing motion to correct his accuracy.
Quote from: Ed Vette on January 13, 2025, 04:08:07 PMDaboll gets too much credit for the development of Josh Allen. When in fact it was Chris Hess who Allen credits for changing his throwing motion to correct his accuracy.
Before someone asks...
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2021/11/15/Upfront/The-tech-advantage.aspx
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 13, 2025, 03:43:25 PMIf I am not mistaken you were happy with glee that Mara retained Daboll and Schoen. Yes, we disagreed on that point but I asked to give your reasons why you were happy with Mara's decision . If you posted it I never saw it.
They are going to probably have another bad season .Their schedule includes Commanders, Cowboys and Eagles twice . Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, Lions, Vikings , Packers . That could possibly be 12 losses . You are left with The Bears, Pats, Saints , 49ers, and Raiders. The 49ers will be better and the Pats with Vrabel could also be.
There is no Jayden Daniels, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen or Eli Manning riding in on a white horse to save the day.
Any QB drafted will sit on the bench for awhile.
Mara would say, we won 6 games or 5 games that was better than 2024 so I am going to continue with Daboll and Schoen and I have a feeling you would be applauding his decision.
The better move , and you disagree, would have been to clean house , start over . Daboll might have been a good OC in Buffalo but he stinks as a HC. He is stubborn and is a member of the Bill ARnsbarger Dave Wannstadt Syndrome . Good Assistants but poor as head coach.
The issue here is you are stating your opinion as fact. Me having a different opinion than you on the coach, does not equate to me wanting another bad season.
At the point I wanted them to lose out, this years campaign was already over. I will never ask for a lost season a year in advance. Now if we are 2-8 halfway again, then that's different. And at that point I will probably join the fire Daboll and Joe club.
If we can give Daniel every excuse in the book for 6 years, we can give the coach a 4th, and one to prove himself without that bottleneck at QB.
Quote from: MrGap92 on January 13, 2025, 04:26:09 PMThe issue here is you are stating your opinion as fact. Me having a different opinion than you on the coach, does not equate to me wanting another bad season.
At the point I wanted them to lose out, this years campaign was already over. I will never ask for a lost season a year in advance. Now if we are 2-8 halfway again, then that's different. And at that point I will probably join the fire Daboll and Joe club.
If we can give Daniel every excuse in the book for 6 years, we can give the coach a 4th, and one to prove himself without that bottleneck at QB.
I understand that we have different opinions on retaining Daboll and Schoen and that is perfectly fine . I just wanted to know the reasons you were happy with Mara's decision. I am not hoping for a lost season . I hope Daboll surprises me and we are competitive late in the season . I think I am just trying to be realistic about a successful 2025 season
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 13, 2025, 06:07:00 PMI understand that we have different opinions on retaining Daboll and Schoen and that is perfectly fine . I just wanted to know the reasons you were happy with Mara's decision. I am not hoping for a lost season . I hope Daboll surprises me and we are competitive late in the season . I think I am just trying to be realistic about a successful 2025 season
I have stated ad nauseum, as well as others here, that they should get a chance without being strapped to Jones.
For six years, it was Jones didn't have this, that, and didn't have perfect everything around him.
It's only fair that Daboll get the same thing.
Quote from: MrGap92 on January 13, 2025, 01:28:35 PMSo, you WANT 2025 to be another horrific season?
Would prefer that if it is building to something, than another 2016.
Quote from: coggs on January 13, 2025, 09:59:03 PMWould prefer that if it is building to something, than another 2016.
We would kill for another 2016.
Quote from: coggs on January 13, 2025, 09:59:03 PMWould prefer that if it is building to something, than another 2016.
It could be though, theyve yet to be able to do anything
Quote from: Ed Vette on January 13, 2025, 03:04:21 PMSanders has some of the smoothest set-to-throw of any QB I've seen the last few years.
Ed: Your entire analysis is excellent, but I just cited one line to save space. I agree that his technicals and fundamental skills and knowledge are as solid as you'd expect for a kid who was raised from infancy to be an NFL QB (something like the Mannings' various situations, I suppose).
The chief problem I have with Sanders (other than his dad's potential meddling) is his intangibles. He just doesn't seem to have the "it" factor AT ALL. I can't explain it except to ask you to compare his tape to Daniels' college play. IMO, there's simply no "magic" happening. As a matter of fact, there's something that's a bit robotic about him. BUT... if the Giants agree with your views, I think they will take him and I will be quite pleased, because if they see it, I trust their judgment (notwithstanding the Jones fiasco).
In short, I'd rather be dead wrong (and see him come to the Giants and seriously change the team's current trajectory) than be right (and not see us get the winning QB which we so desperately need).
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on January 14, 2025, 02:51:39 AMEd: Your entire analysis is excellent, but I just cited one line to save space. I agree that his technicals and fundamental skills and knowledge are as solid as you'd expect for a kid who was raised from infancy to be an NFL QB (something like the Mannings' various situations, I suppose).
The chief problem I have with Sanders (other than his dad's potential meddling) is his intangibles. He just doesn't seem to have the "it" factor AT ALL. I can't explain it except to ask you to compare his tape to Daniels' college play. IMO, there's simply no "magic" happening. As a matter of fact, there's something that's a bit robotic about him. BUT... if the Giants agree with your views, I think they will take him and I will be quite pleased, because if they see it, I trust their judgment (notwithstanding the Jones fiasco).
In short, I'd rather be dead wrong (and see him come to the Giants and seriously change the team's current trajectory) than be right (and not see us get the winning QB which we so desperately need).
Bob
Hard to make magic when you're playing behind a subpar OL.
Quote from: Bob In PA on January 14, 2025, 02:51:39 AMEd: Your entire analysis is excellent, but I just cited one line to save space. I agree that his technicals and fundamental skills and knowledge are as solid as you'd expect for a kid who was raised from infancy to be an NFL QB (something like the Mannings' various situations, I suppose).
The chief problem I have with Sanders (other than his dad's potential meddling) is his intangibles. He just doesn't seem to have the "it" factor AT ALL. I can't explain it except to ask you to compare his tape to Daniels' college play. IMO, there's simply no "magic" happening. As a matter of fact, there's something that's a bit robotic about him. BUT... if the Giants agree with your views, I think they will take him and I will be quite pleased, because if they see it, I trust their judgment (notwithstanding the Jones fiasco).
In short, I'd rather be dead wrong (and see him come to the Giants and seriously change the team's current trajectory) than be right (and not see us get the winning QB which we so desperately need).
Bob
You make a great point, Bob. I was thinking about the comparison of the smoothness and no wasted motion of the two QBs. However Daniels will make dynamic plays, while Sanders is not much of a risk taker. Both worked with great Receiving Talent but I always recall those deep Lamonica type bombs to Nabors and Thomas from Daniels. Which we never saw much of this season btw in NY.
Quote from: BlueMoshik on January 14, 2025, 04:50:37 AMHard to make magic when you're playing behind a subpar OL.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/passing-plays-sacked
Darnold, Burrow, Stroud, Daniels, Herbert, Hurts, Mayfield all in the top 10 most sacked QB's this year. All had really good seasons.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 13, 2025, 03:23:55 PMI see him being perfect for that Oregon style offense that Nix was in. That hot read, dink/dunk, and schemed open reads. I don't know that an NFL team runs that currently but that would be his best spot.
If Denver didn't draft Bo Nix last year, I can see Sean Payton and the Broncos making the pick in less than 2.5 seconds.
Quote from: Bob In PA on January 14, 2025, 02:51:39 AMEd: Your entire analysis is excellent, but I just cited one line to save space. I agree that his technicals and fundamental skills and knowledge are as solid as you'd expect for a kid who was raised from infancy to be an NFL QB (something like the Mannings' various situations, I suppose).
The chief problem I have with Sanders (other than his dad's potential meddling) is his intangibles. He just doesn't seem to have the "it" factor AT ALL. I can't explain it except to ask you to compare his tape to Daniels' college play. IMO, there's simply no "magic" happening. As a matter of fact, there's something that's a bit robotic about him. BUT... if the Giants agree with your views, I think they will take him and I will be quite pleased, because if they see it, I trust their judgment (notwithstanding the Jones fiasco).
In short, I'd rather be dead wrong (and see him come to the Giants and seriously change the team's current trajectory) than be right (and not see us get the winning QB which we so desperately need).
Bob
One other thing that sits with me in a negative light was the level of competition both QBs faced. Sanders struggled mightily against the Later Day Saints. Swap him out for Daniels and I suspect it's a jog in the park.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 13, 2025, 10:13:40 PMWe would kill for another 2016.
Why? So we can deal with another 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021?
Quote from: Soundwave401 on January 14, 2025, 07:10:04 AMhttps://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/passing-plays-sacked
Darnold, Burrow, Stroud, Daniels, Herbert, Hurts, Mayfield all in the top 10 most sacked QB's this year. All had really good seasons.
You realize 5th most is only 48 times. Last year our OL gave up what 85. I'd kill to have our OL give up only 48.
Quote from: Soundwave401 on January 14, 2025, 07:10:04 AMhttps://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/passing-plays-sacked
Darnold, Burrow, Stroud, Daniels, Herbert, Hurts, Mayfield all in the top 10 most sacked QB's this year. All had really good seasons.
So did Sanders.
Coaches son who hasn't played a snap away from his dad. That scares me and to top it off Daboll is going to coach him good luck with that.
Quote from: coggs on January 14, 2025, 07:39:24 AMWhy? So we can deal with another 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021?
2016 was a 5 game win improvement. So who would object to winning 8 games next season?
Quote from: TDToomer on January 14, 2025, 09:12:35 AM2016 was a 5 game win improvement. So who would object to winning 8 games next season?
Those who want Schoen and Daboll gone.
Quote from: T200 on January 14, 2025, 09:13:57 AMThose who want Schoen and Daboll gone.
I have no patience for fans rooting against their own team before the season even begins.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 14, 2025, 09:15:44 AMI have no patience for fans rooting against their own team before the season even begins.
You new here??? :P :P
Quote from: BlueMoshik on January 14, 2025, 04:50:37 AMHard to make magic when you're playing behind a subpar OL.
It's hard not to make magic when you're playing with the Heisman Trophy winner and best athlete in all of college football.
Quote from: Ed Vette on January 14, 2025, 07:08:03 AMYou make a great point, Bob. I was thinking about the comparison of the smoothness and no wasted motion of the two QBs. However Daniels will make dynamic plays, while Sanders is not much of a risk taker. Both worked with great Receiving Talent but I always recall those deep Lamonica type bombs to Nabors and Thomas from Daniels. Which we never saw much of this season btw in NY.
Ed: Well, risk-taking is a learned asset, so maybe it will take him a while. In any event, it would be a real stunner if that kid makes as big a "splash" in his rookie season as Daniels made this year. Bob
I would take Sanders in a heartbeat at 3 and I believe the Giants would, too. I like the way he slides subtly around the pocket, avoiding the rush, while keeping his eyes upfield and from what I've seen, he's very accurate.
Quote from: Gman329 on January 14, 2025, 09:39:06 AMI would take Sanders in a heartbeat at 3 and I believe the Giants would, too. I like the way he slides subtly around the pocket, avoiding the rush, while keeping his eyes upfield and from what I've seen, he's very accurate.
329: You're right. He has most of the advanced skills. My point is IMO he lacks one of the few things you can't teach... that "x" factor that players like Mahomes and Daniels have... however you define it.
I'm not saying he'll never have it, but I just never saw it, and I saw almost all of Colorado's games.
One new thing to add... none of us are considering that he might prove to be an entirely different (i.e., BETTER) player once he gets away from his dad. Think how much extra pressure could be on him just because he's playing for his dad. I've noted he appears a bit robotic, and that might disappear after he's no longer under the ultimate microscope!
bOB
Quote from: Bob In PA on January 14, 2025, 10:03:50 AM329: You're right. He has most of the advanced skills. My point is IMO he lacks one of the few things you can't teach... that "x" factor that players like Mahomes and Daniels have... however you define it.
I'm not saying he'll never have it, but I just never saw it, and I saw almost all of Colorado's games.
One new thing to add... none of us are considering that he might prove to be an entirely different (i.e., BETTER) player once he gets away from his dad. Think how much extra pressure could be on him just because he's playing for his dad. I've noted he appears a bit robotic, and that might disappear after he's no longer under the ultimate microscope!
bOB
I don't get the takes that his dad is having a negative effect on him.
Quote from: T200 on January 14, 2025, 10:22:10 AMI don't get the takes that his dad is having a negative effect on him.
Tim: My wife was my daughter's tennis instructor (as a child) as well as her head coach (high school years).
My daughter, so far as she will admit, was one of those people who felt no pressure caused by having to play for her mom (she played number one all four years of high school). Likewise, she apparently felt no pressure to perform well, to show leadership, or to otherwise set an example for the rest of the team.
Not every person can do that, and "sports parents" bully their kids along, and the kid has that extra burden to bear. I have no idea whether it applies to Sanders, but it's not impossible. He could benefit from getting away from his dad (the coach, not the parent) if you see what I mean.
Bob
Quote from: TDToomer on January 14, 2025, 09:15:44 AMI have no patience for fans rooting against their own team before the season even begins.
I am not rooting against them. If they can make the play-offs I am all for it. What I DON'T want is for them to go desperation mode, sign guys to deals that have low cap hits in 2025 with huge hits in 2026, 2027, 2028 just to make the playoffs this year and to hell with the following years.
Quote from: Bob In PA on January 14, 2025, 10:36:13 AMTim: My wife was my daughter's tennis instructor (as a child) as well as her head coach (high school years).
My daughter, so far as she will admit, was one of those people who felt no pressure caused by having to play for her mom (she played number one all four years of high school. Likewise, she apparently felt no pressure to perform well, to show leadership, or to otherwise set an example for the rest of the team.
Not every person can do that.
Some parents bully their kids along, and the kid has that extra burden to bear. I have no idea whether it applies to Sanders, but it's not impossible. He could benefit from getting away from his dad (the coach, not the parent) if you see what I mean.
Bob
I get your valid point and example of your wife and daughter.
My point is that there's no evidence that Deion's influence on Shedeur or Travis or any of his other players is negative. I think people are projecting and possibly seeing a young, flamboyant Deion in his 20s and 30s. His perspective is so much different and he can impart that experience and growth to his son and the rest of his players.
Quote from: T200 on January 14, 2025, 10:52:32 AMI get your valid point and example of your wife and daughter.
My point is that there's no evidence that Deion's influence on Shedeur or Travis or any of his other players is negative. I think people are projecting and possibly seeing a young, flamboyant Deion in his 20s and 30s. His perspective is so much different and he can impart that experience and growth to his son and the rest of his players.
I agree with this and have followed Deion Sanders for well over 30 years (NOTE: he was in Atlanta playing two professional sports simultaneously when I was in the Army and stationed in Augusta, GA). He was an absolute incredible talent who played with an intense passion regardless of the sport. The Giants were blessed to have a Lawrence Taylor's "LT" intensity; Deion's intensity was comparable, and I'll leave it at that.
People like or hate the guy because of his flamboyant personality, dress and bug mouth. Truth is that it's all a show; i.e. pure entertainment. Those who could separate the "Neon" from Deion could see the hard worker, the kid who wanted to do good on his parents, grandparents and those who helped him get to the big leagues.
There is no question his "act" got out of control and so, too, did his personal life. He recommitted himself through religion, family and service to others to get back on level footing again and, in the last decade or so, has focused his life on his kids and philanthropy in general.
Honestly, I would be honored to meet the man and tell him that I hated on him as a Giant fan; however, I respect the hell out of him for what he's done for so many with his life that I'm a fan of Deion, the man. If he's been coaching his kids as he's lived his life the last decade and change, not saying they'll be perfect, but they'll be good people as well.
Flamboyant, perhaps. But good people.
Peace!
Quote from: Ed Vette on January 14, 2025, 07:08:03 AMYou make a great point, Bob. I was thinking about the comparison of the smoothness and no wasted motion of the two QBs. However Daniels will make dynamic plays, while Sanders is not much of a risk taker. Both worked with great Receiving Talent but I always recall those deep Lamonica type bombs to Nabors and Thomas from Daniels. Which we never saw much of this season btw in NY.
I don't think Sanders could lace Daniels boots if I'm being honest. I could be way off but I am not a fan. He's more Jordan Love than daniels to me.
Quote from: T200 on January 14, 2025, 10:22:10 AMI don't get the takes that his dad is having a negative effect on him.
I don't either. People don't have to like Deion personally if he's not their cup of tea, but that guy has been nothing but a winner when it comes to the sport of football.
Shedeur may not be a particularly inspiring QB prospect (I have this opinion myself), but I don't get why people think Deion is somehow hampering him.
If people have an issue with players on whom Deion has had an influence, then those folks should remove Travis Hunter from their boards too. Are they prepared to do that?
Quote from: MrGap92 on January 13, 2025, 08:19:55 AMSanders is more NFL ready than Ward, but Ward has better physical gifts and overall potential I think.
I like them both and would be ok with either.
I would prefer Ward, but if Sanders is the pick, then so be it
Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 14, 2025, 04:20:52 PMI don't think Sanders could lace Daniels boots if I'm being honest. I could be way off but I am not a fan. He's more Jordan Love than daniels to me.
Were any one of us fans of Lamar Jackson in 2018? He wound up as the 32nd pick
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 14, 2025, 09:04:30 PMWere any one of us fans of Lamar Jackson in 2018? He wound up as the 32nd pick
@Bob In PA was.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 14, 2025, 09:04:30 PMWere any one of us fans of Lamar Jackson in 2018? He wound up as the 32nd pick
@Bob In PA
Bob in PA wherever you are , which QB are you touting for the 2025 draft ?
It's the cards the Giants were dealt, or rather, the world they created for themselves. Last year, picking sixth overall, they passed on Michael Pennix Jr. and JJ McCarthy, because Schoen and Daboll were committed to Jones and believed he was the guy, even after letting Saquon walk. That was a mistake, of course. Now they desperately need a QB and, picking 3rd overall, I have little doubt they'll draft one. Since I expect the Titans to select Ward, and I think the Browns will pick Travis Hunter (who is probably the best overall player in the draft), Sanders figures as the 2nd best QB in the draft and that's who the Giants will go with.
I think it's possible that if Coach Prime goes to Dallas as HCmight certainly impact where Shedurr winds up. Cleveland? I doubt it. Is it possible in that scenario he falls to the Cowboys? Id be perfectly happy if we just took Travis Hunter if a bridge QB is on board already and draft another one later. Much has to happen first, of course.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 15, 2025, 05:01:57 AMBob in PA wherever you are , which QB are you touting for the 2025 draft ?
B-Dave: I don't like any of the QB's being talked about for the first round. That doesn't mean I think none will succeed in the NFL. It just means I don't think any are worthy of going in the top half of the first round.
If I had to pick a first-round QB it would be Ward because he has played in several different systems in college, including with at least one bad offensive line, and he found ways to win and hung in there very well. Regardless, if the Giants pick EITHER Ward of Sanders I'll say they overpaid but will be very excited about it (in a good way). They are both good players, just not blue-chip "cant-miss" prospects, IMO.
In any event I am not getting the Lamar Jackson or Jayden Daniels "vibe" from either Sanders or Ward. Daniels was my favorite last year and I was sorry the Redskins jumped up to take him. If he was still there at our pick, I would have been very angry if the Giants passed him up.
Bob
I don't think it is a foregone conclusion the Browns won't go QB. There is talk that Watson's career could be in jeopardy. Just not sure what that does to their cap as his contract is structured very whacky.
Dallas will draft Shilo Sanders.
Quote from: coggs on January 15, 2025, 07:57:57 AMI don't think it is a foregone conclusion the Browns won't go QB. There is talk that Watson's career could be in jeopardy. Just not sure what that does to their cap as his contract is structured very whacky.
coggs: I agree, and from what I've read it's unlikely he'll even be healthy by September. Bob
Quote from: coggs on January 15, 2025, 07:57:57 AMI don't think it is a foregone conclusion the Browns won't go QB. There is talk that Watson's career could be in jeopardy. Just not sure what that does to their cap as his contract is structured very whacky.
Fair point about Watson, but it's very risky for the Browns to draft Shedeur when Watson's future is unclear. Also, I am sure that it has already been conveyed to them that Sanders has no desire to play for that franchise, and the last thing they need is problems with their new first round draft choice and his family. My money says they avoid that headache and just draft Hunter.
Quote from: Bob In PA on January 15, 2025, 06:59:58 AMB-Dave: I don't like any of the QB's being talked about for the first round. That doesn't mean I think none will succeed in the NFL. It just means I don't think any are worthy of going in the top half of the first round.
If I had to pick a first-round QB it would be Ward because he has played in several different systems in college, including with at least one bad offensive line, and he found ways to win and hung in there very well. Regardless, if the Giants pick EITHER Ward of Sanders I'll say they overpaid but will be very excited about it (in a good way). They are both good players, just not blue-chip "cant-miss" prospects, IMO.
In any event I am not getting the Lamar Jackson or Jayden Daniels "vibe" from either Sanders or Ward. Daniels was my favorite last year and I was sorry the Redskins jumped up to take him. If he was still there at our pick, I would have been very angry if the Giants passed him up.
Bob
From what I read Coach MacAdoo loved Patrick Mahomes and tried desperately to convince Dave Gettleman to trade up from 23 to get him. KC did and landed Mahomes at 10 .
I don't think that if Sanders is there at 3 the Giants should draft him . I love Mason Graham and he would be my choice . I would sign a QB in free agency this year , Fields, maybe Brisst, SWentz , and hopefully get someone like Jaxson Dart or Milroe in the secoind roiund or maybe McCord or Howard in the third round .
I would try and sign DL Reed in FA to lessen the need to draft Johnson or Hunter.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on January 16, 2025, 12:05:53 AM
I don't know which way I'm leaning. I'm still very disheartened to hear that Mara is being heavy handed. I just have to wait and see what Schoen ultimately decides to do.
I also don't know why this guy is mentioning where Sanders would have been drafted LAST YEAR as if it's relevant to this year. An additional year gave him and Ward more experience, playing time, and development. I don't know that Sanders needs to be a franchise QB vs a very good starter. That may be a thin line. But not all franchise QBs are picked at the top of the draft. Whoever the pick is at #3 just needs to work out. Period. We can't continue to have first-round misses.