Even if he ends up not doing this procedure, this news takes him out of the top three for me. I just don't want the Giants taking on another injured player case with that premium of a pick.
https://thescore.com/nfl/news/3228119
This certainly complicates the draft. It probably narrows the suitors for Titans #1. It might also make them more likely to stick at 1 if it becomes a straight Ward or Hunter choice in their heads because they cannot go down to 3 or lower and be sure one or the other is there.
https://x.com/profootballdoc/status/1894977881438089630?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
I would draft him at 3. He should be ready by the start of training camp and being an edge player there isn't a ton he can benefit from the OTAs he may miss. The injury should not be long term.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 27, 2025, 07:55:15 AMI would draft him at 3. He should be ready by the start of training camp and being an edge player there isn't a ton he can benefit from the OTAs he may miss. The injury should not be long term.
Rich,
Is this something that can creep up again? I remember Ahmad Bradshaw developed stress fracture in both feet later in his career.
Will a longer NFL season potentially cause reoccurrences or stress issues in the other foot?
Quote from: uconnjack8 on February 27, 2025, 08:19:12 AMRich,
Is this something that can creep up again? I remember Ahmad Bradshaw developed stress fracture in both feet later in his career.
Will a longer NFL season potentially cause reoccurrences or stress issues in the other foot?
These sorts of injuries are common in NFL players. While training and diet have made players bigger and stronger, the feet haven't kept up. Add in the lighter and less supportive footwear that today's athletes wear, and that's why we see these sorts of injuries popping up.
From what I have seen over the years, I don't think a foot fracture portends more foot fractures.
https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1895113918420255039
Anytime a screw has to be inserted into tissue it can become a recurring problem. While it may be stabilize a structural injury, the tissue around a screw can become enflamed which causes swelling or swelling and stiffness can occur. Would not assume this is a non-issue.
Quote from: Philosophers on February 27, 2025, 09:14:52 AMAnytime a screw has to be inserted into tissue it can become a recurring problem. While it may be stabilize a structural injury, the tissue around a screw can become enflamed which causes swelling or swelling and stiffness can occur. Would not assume this is a non-issue.
You just described my foot, postsurgery :(
Assuming they have a plan for QB I wouldn't hesitate for a second if this causes him to fall to #3. I think my best case scenario just changed to Carter at #3 and trading back into the late 1st for Dart if he's still around.
https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1895121219763970080
https://x.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1895128939409953180
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 27, 2025, 09:17:05 AMYou just described my foot, postsurgery :(
And both my knees with screws in each. My reconstructed ligaments are stabilized however I get periodic swelling and stiffness in both inees and early onset of arthritis in each as well.
On elite athletes who put so much torque onto their feet, ankles, knees, hips and shoulders, injuries with screws can cause chronic problems.
With 3rd pick this makes me shy away from picking Carter. Drew Rosenhaus will lie through his teeth about how this is not a big deal. It is to me.
Look at other players with foot or ankle problems. They are always missing so much time. Andrew Thomas?
The shoulder is a non-story. There are scenarios where this old (to me) news helps us in the draft. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on February 27, 2025, 11:34:04 AMThe shoulder is a non-story. There are scenarios where this old (to me) news helps us in the draft. Bob
The fracture is in his foot, rather than his shoulder
This doesn't change anything for me, nor do I believe it changes anything for teams drafting in the top 3.
Carter will be a top 3 pick.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 27, 2025, 11:35:31 AMThe fracture is in his foot, rather than his shoulder
Rich: It was a typo. MY shoulder hurts today. lol
Quote from: Bob In PA on February 27, 2025, 12:43:08 PMRich: It was a typo. MY should hurts today. lol
I was going to like your post, but who likes that your shoulder hurts? :-??
Quote from: Philosophers on February 27, 2025, 10:27:16 AMAnd both my knees with screws in each. My reconstructed ligaments are stabilized however I get periodic swelling and stiffness in both inees and early onset of arthritis in each as well.
On elite athletes who put so much torque onto their feet, ankles, knees, hips and shoulders, injuries with screws can cause chronic problems.
With 3rd pick this makes me shy away from picking Carter. Drew Rosenhaus will lie through his teeth about how this is not a big deal. It is to me.
Look at other players with foot or ankle problems. They are always missing so much time. Andrew Thomas?
Add this old man (maybe not as old as you fine gentlemen) to the screws in feet list (NOTE: mine held my Achilles tendon in place until they became infected, and I had to deal with osteomyelitis and almost losing the lower part of my left leg ... scary!
The kid is young and "should" bounce back. But feet are funny things. You don't appreciate them until you run into trouble with them and, then, you learn how precious they are.
The one thing folks do not realize is that when you injure your foot, or ankle, or Achilles tendon, and have surgery for it, the end result is that you rarely ever return to your original 100% self. You can do all the rehab in the world to make it strong; however, it won't ever be the same as it was before. Because of that, things happen, perhaps very little, but they do, that impact you for the rest of your life. For example, your gait gets thrown off. If you're young, and everything works out all right, and you rehab and heal up very well the impact is minimal and it likely doesn't affect you all that much, if any. If you're in your mid 40s, or in your 50s, and you have a "quality of life" surgical procedure to remove bone spurs under your Achilles from running too much, laser procedure to counter your Achilles tendinosis, they take off your Achilles to do all that and re-attach it using a couple of patented screws to help the tendon re-bond with the bone. You do all that and, two weeks later, you stand up and the whole things "rips" off, feeling like a gun went off and shot you in your foot, with a pain like you've never felt before in your life, to where you just drop into the fetal position and can only scream for help ... yeah, that is about as bad as it gets, or so I thought, until I watched Alex Smith's plight on the documentary "Project 11."
I'm with you all the way on Andrew Thomas. I wish him all the very best and pray he can find a way to a healthy future. But that foot of his, following that Lisfranc injury, is tough, very tough, to overcome. He'll physically be able to; however, putting that damaged foot, supported by a previously damaged ankle, as well as a previously damaged knee ... you see where I'm going with this. The man is an incredible Left Tackle and is a game changer when he is in the lineup when healthy. But I calculated the numbers already for the board in that he's already missed significant time following his big contract signing. He is damaged goods now and his risk for incurring another injury is higher than ever because the overall strength of his leg has been compromised by knee, ankle and now foot injuries. That's why I've been harping that it might not be a bad idea to consider grabbing his future replacement in this draft.
But, back to Carter, the crux is surgery vs. rest coming down to a timing/decision issue for teams in the running for his services. This is where his medical history comes into play and whether this is a one-off or a chronic condition. If the latter, and surgery is the "best" option to correct the issue and prevent recurrences, then that's the way to go, after ensuring no additional risk would be introduced to the foot by the surgery (NOTE: of course, that's not realistic; however, as close to no risk would be desirable).
The team doctor and other medical consultants would have to sign off on it, of course. With that, let's start the Ronnie Barnes comments!
Peace!
What's a stress reaction? Is it a stress fracture or not? Reaction!!!?!?!
Never heard of that before. I guess MY reaction is stumpified. ;)
Quote from: Sem on February 28, 2025, 12:00:49 AMWhat's a stress reaction? Is it a stress fracture or not? Reaction!!!?!?!
Never heard of that before. I guess MY reaction is stumpified. ;)
It's essentially a fracture caused by over use.
A stress fracture on a football position (Edge) that puts a lot of torque on feet bending around blockers? I like Carter but that seems like a formula for being out a higher portion of career than I would like in my 3 pick.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 27, 2025, 07:55:15 AMI would draft him at 3. He should be ready by the start of training camp and being an edge player there isn't a ton he can benefit from the OTAs he may miss. The injury should not be long term.
Ronnie Barnes would like a word with you, lol /sarcasm/
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 27, 2025, 12:44:41 PMI was going to like your post, but who likes that your shoulder hurts? :-??
Rich: Thanks, but it's nothing serious. It comes and goes. Either bursitis or my imagination. lol
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 28, 2025, 06:07:15 AMIt's essentially a fracture caused by over use.
Yes, I understand that. Then why not call it a stress fracture? My reaction was to "reaction." Sounds to me like they're trying to imply it's less than it is.
Increase his Vitamin D to 4000 IU.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 27, 2025, 07:55:15 AMI would draft him at 3. He should be ready by the start of training camp and being an edge player there isn't a ton he can benefit from the OTAs he may miss. The injury should not be long term.
I would too.
I've read too many pre draft issues that push a draftee back coupled with "we could of drafted them and reaped the rewards of an overreaction to a player whose main core of work has been completed/done (with or without said injury/behavioral issues etc)".....and then we draft someone like Kadarius Toney, whom will be completely out of the league shortly.
No riskit, no biscuit as former Bucs/cards head coach Bruce Arians used to espouse.
He's worth the risk if he's available at 3.
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https://x.com/sicscore/status/1896000010149359883?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Boy. ..he's a star .it worries me ..but ..but that guy has all pro talent every year..I will be okay with it .he's a massive man
Total impact guy .Giants have won championships with defense..and terror from guys like him..look what the Eagles did to KC. Varsity vs JV
At least he's not blind in one eye like Cedric Jones..way to go Tom Boisture..picked at 5
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 27, 2025, 05:19:04 AMEven if he ends up not doing this procedure, this news takes him out of the top three for me. I just don't want the Giants taking on another injured player case with that premium of a pick.
https://thescore.com/nfl/news/3228119
Fair point .Dave..then trade down..lots of good starters year one..but no Sanders or Ward for me