Is this the first March, as a Giants fan, where you had absolutely no idea who the starting QB would be? I mean, there was the year Eli was drafted, which had people believing in March, Kerry Collins would be the QB, which proved wrong. So I am not talking about a surprise switch, I am talking having no idea who will be behind center on opening day.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 01, 2025, 08:34:01 AMIs this the first March, as a Giants fan, where you had absolutely no idea who the starting QB would be? I mean, there was the year Eli was drafted, which had people believing in March, Kerry Collins would be the QB, which proved wrong. So I am not talking about a surprise switch, I am talking having no idea who will be behind center on opening day.
I'd have to go back and look, but I'm trying to remember the period after Simms but before Collins. That was pretty bleak. I feel like there was a stretch when we were toggling between Dave Brown, Danny Kannell, Kent Graham, and Tommy Maddox. I guess Brown was the established starter for a few full seasons, so to your point I guess we didn't "not know" who our QB was going to be in March, but I would say our QB situation then was no better than it is now. There are unsigned QBs out there who are capable of playing at a better level than anything we have gotten since maybe 2016.
In 1991 I didn't know if Simms or Hostetler would be the QB. Though that was coming off of a Superbowl.
Before Simms we were wondering about Piscarcik, Johnson, Goldstein and Brunner.
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Is it the first time there isn't a quarterback on the roster? For sure in this century.
Unless we count Cutlets, no. In any case, we can be sure that Our Heros will soon have not one, but 2 new QBs on the Roster. Pease do not ask, Who Dem?
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One might argue that it's better to have no QB at all on the roster (but money to spend on one plus a high draft pick) than to have a bad QB on the roster that you're tied down to because of a brutal contract you can't yet realistically get out of.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 01, 2025, 08:41:07 AMI'd have to go back and look, but I'm trying to remember the period after Simms but before Collins. That was pretty bleak. I feel like there was a stretch when we were toggling between Dave Brown, Danny Kannell, Kent Graham, and Tommy Maddox. I guess Brown was the established starter for a few full seasons, so to your point I guess we didn't "not know" who our QB was going to be in March, but I would say our QB situation then was no better than it is now. There are unsigned QBs out there who are capable of playing at a better level than anything we have gotten since maybe 2016.
I know Kent Graham was the QB when Collins came in.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 01, 2025, 10:52:19 AMOne might argue that it's better to have no QB at all on the roster (but money to spend on one plus a high draft pick) than to have a bad QB on the roster that you're tied down to because of a brutal contract you can't yet realistically get out of.
I think the bigger issue is how a team could get to this position. It's extremely rare because two things have to happen:
1) Your starter either retires/leaves or crashes and burns
2) You failed to anticipate number one and/or didn't put an effective backup plan in place.
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 01, 2025, 09:37:39 AMBefore Simms we were wondering about Piscarcik, Johnson, Goldstein and Brunner.
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Yup, 1977 after Craig Morton was traded to the Broncos for their QB, Steve Ramsey, who never played a down of football for the Giants.
The Giants also brought in Dennis Shaw, the former Bills QB, in late 1976, but proved the game had passed him by.
So, John McVay boldly went forward with his three young guys, Jerry Golsteyn, Patterson Plank Joe P and Randy Dean, in 1977, without a single down of NFL experience under their respective belts.
The irony of it all was that the Giants won their season opener despite this arrangement.
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1965
Giants opened camp with Gary Wood, Bob Timberlake, and someone else I am too tired to dig up.
After exhibition game #3 and scoring 7, 7, and 13 points, Giants made a trade with Lions for Earl Morrall.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 02, 2025, 09:42:44 AMI think the bigger issue is how a team could get to this position. It's extremely rare because two things have to happen:
1) Your starter either retires/leaves or crashes and burns
2) You failed to anticipate number one and/or didn't put an effective backup plan in place.
1) is quite obvious; 2) is not necessarily the case. An effective backup plan is something most often determined after the fact. Given the broad and consistent contempt in which all things Giants have been held in terms of personnel and cap position, it's hard to imagine anything much more effective than was a spare Lock and Cutlet behind Jones albeit whose failure they failed to anticipate.
Btw, it will be interesting to learn, should the situation present itself, how effective a plan the Vikings will have had with Jones backing up whomever they decide is to be QB1, McCarthy or Darnold. Of course, in the meantime it might make more sense for us to focus on who the Giants yet may have at QBs 1 and 2 in 2025 than to worry about when they may once have had none. Still, it's hard to change a habit when there is no Pessimist Anonymous to look to for help.
Cheers!
The Giants entered the 1977 season with three QBs on the roster: Joe Pisarcik, Jerry Golsteyn, and Randy Dean.
Pisarcik, a journeyman out of New Mexico State, came to the Giants from the CFL that offseason. Dean was a rookie 5th-round draft choice out of Northwestern. Golsteyn was a 2nd year player, a 12th round pick in 1976 out of Northern Illinois.
That season the Giants went 5-9 and they were arguably a better team than the 2024 Giants.
I am not feeling it with either Ward or Sanders ..at all. Ward has played a lot..and still makes foolish mistakes..a lesser version of Caleb Williams. Sanders screams game manager..low ceiling..
This is why the Jints should have cleaned out the cupboard...then draft a great player. Or add picks.
But the Mara mandate to fix the QB is where Dabs and Schoen are left with. And yes...post Simms era..best comp.
And after that mediocrity..we found a good.one off the scrap heap..in...
Kerry Collins, who was a good QB..led them to an NFC championship..and should have advanced with
the 24 points lead loss against the NINERS
Quote from: Painter on March 02, 2025, 06:32:21 PM1) is quite obvious; 2) is not necessarily the case. An effective backup plan is something most often determined after the fact. Given the broad and consistent contempt in which all things Giants have been held in terms of personnel and cap position, it's hard to imagine anything much more effective than was a spare Lock and Cutlet behind Jones albeit whose failure they failed to anticipate.
Btw, it will be interesting to learn, should the situation present itself, how effective a plan the Vikings will have had with Jones backing up whomever they decide is to be QB1, McCarthy or Darnold. Of course, in the meantime it might make more sense for us to focus on who the Giants yet may have at QBs 1 and 2 in 2025 than to worry about when they may once have had none. Still, it's hard to change a habit when there is no Pessimist Anonymous to look to for help.
Cheers!
The Giants could have had at least a placeholder had they:
1) signed Justin Fields last year when he visited the team
2) drafted a QB in round one
3) drafted Milton on day 3 last year
Instead, the team that prides itself on scouting QBs (how did they miss on Jones) went with Drew Lock last year, knowing their QB was questionable in terms of proving to be a franchise QB and coming off a major injury.
Larry. I wouldn't shock me if I O'Connell actually improves Jones dramatically..he's that good..Darnold shows that...and that Rams coaching tree is some of the best..
Quote from: spiderblue43 on March 03, 2025, 10:02:32 AMLarry. I wouldn't shock me if I O'Connell actually improves Jones dramatically..he's that good..Darnold shows that...and that Rams coaching tree is some of the best..
Spider. It's possible, I suppose but I would want to see how far Darnold comes in repeating without a final "when push comes to shove" flop flop for which O'Connell deserves at least some of the blame, wouldn't you think?
In any case, I'm not ready to start speculating about Daniel Jones, who we know was capable of winning a playoff game and thus its subsequent trap of Schoen/Daboll. Who knows, but the fact that Darnold failed in his first effort in 7 years may save O'Connell from a similar fate should he remain the Viking's QB1.
As folks here know all too well, while I may have strong opinions, I am no pessimist. I am, however, a realest in recognizing how chancy and unpredictable the NFL so often proves to be. Thus, I avoid prediction and projection- read guessing- whenever possible.
Cheers!