https://x.com/DraftVogel/status/1896319593561616893
https://x.com/RobiWittmore/status/1896366899220590731
Supposedly a deal in place for number 1 and Harold Landry. Would you be ok with this? How much is too much capital?
Am I reading this right- 1st and 3 round this year and a 3rd round next year?
So basically two 3rd rounders to swap 1sts?
And the Giants get a player?
If they love a QB, that's not a lot of capital.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 02, 2025, 09:41:41 PMAm I reading this right- 1st and 3 round this year and a 3rd round next year?
So basically two 3rd rounders to swap 1sts?
And the Giants get a player?
If they love a QB, that's not a lot of capital.
Yeah I couldn't decipher that either but I would be ok with the two thirds assuming it is the two thirds and Harold Landry. Anything more than that and I'm not down.
Why would they move up to take Ward when they passed on JJ McCarthy and Bo Nix last year who were better QBs.
I think they want Carter if they make that move, maybe Hunter.
If Tenn is set on drafting Hunter or Carter, then the Giants pick is as low as they can realistically go. So they are getting something and still getting the player they want. Also it seems to be in-line with previous deals like this.
Landry last 4 years-
28 yr old linebacker/Edge
If traded team getting him would be on the hook for 10 million in 2025 and 17.5 in 2026.
2024- 71 tackles 9 sacks
2023- 70 tackles 10.5 sacks
2022- injured
2021- 75 tackles 12.5 sacks
Maybe Thibs would be included in that trade since it includes Landry?
I don't know who these guys on X are. Do they have a track record of being right?
Two non-authoritative sources. The initial literally says he doesn't know if what he's publishing is true. The latter says a "framework is in place" and that "Titans did't say yes, but didn't say no"--are you kidding me? This is an attempt at journalism? Seems to me like people who want to pretend like they're in the know but hedge so heavily they can pretend the thing they heavily imply was a sure thing was actually never a sure thing if they turn out to be wrong.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on March 02, 2025, 10:20:11 PMTwo non-authoritative sources. The initial literally says he doesn't know if what he's publishing is true. The latter says a "framework is in place" and that "Titans did't say yes, but didn't say no"--are you kidding me? This is an attempt at journalism? Seems to me like people who want to pretend like they're in the know but hedge so heavily they can pretend the thing they heavily imply was a sure thing was actually never a sure thing if they turn out to be wrong.
Oh I know it's not authenticated but it's everywhere on X with ppl discussing it etc and so I published it simply as a way to discuss it because it's intriguing either way.
There's also rumors swirling that they offered Rodgers and his only condition was bringing Adams with him.
So you never really know but it's fun to at least discuss.
Silly season is in full swing. If someone reliable from NFL Network or Adam Schefter (on a good day) says something firm (as opposed to rumours, possibly, options, exploring blah blah) then I will pay attention. Only when any deal is confirmed can we really judge.
For the little it is worth my view is that if we do land Aaron Rodgers (an idea I hate) it only makes any sense as a one year bridge on very low $ to a rookie QB which likely requires the trade up to 1 to ensure we get the one of our choosing. It is not necessarily either/or.
Anything can spread on X. That does not make it accurate. That's why major media sources require higher levels of verification.
Non-story til a major source verifies.
Would you be more unhappy if Giants want to trade up for Ward or trade up for a non-QB prospect?
Not sure how I feel about this. If it's for Ward or Sanders, how they can they be so sure this early in the offseason in the prospect and thus have a deal in place? Remember Sean Payton didnt like Bo Nix after the Combine due to his subpar throwing session but later his attitude changed.
For this to happen, three things must be true.
1) The Titans have evaluated the QB class and even though they need a QB, they don't feel Ward is the answer (and for this rumor to be good, they need to be wrong about their assessment).
2) The Giants must evaluate Ward and decide his talent is that of a franchise QB and is more talented than QB alternatives, so they are willing to give up extra draft capital to draft Ward number one.
3) The Giants and Titans must agree to terms
I'm not buying this one at all. The Titans would be foolish to trade #1 without at least acquiring a 2nd rounder (if not 2). I don't see including Landry as a salary dump as any kind of incentive to accept so little in return.
JS and BD need a miracle to save their jobs. Sorry but a non-QB will notbsave them. Carter can get 12 sacks. Ext year but of they cant get a QB to go 3,500 yards +, 28/10, they are gone. They will take a flier on Ward or Sanders to save them but not Carter. Only if they secure a good FA QB do they trade up to take Carter.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 02, 2025, 09:55:08 PMWhy would they move up to take Ward when they passed on JJ McCarthy and Bo Nix last year who were better QBs.
I think they want Carter if they make that move, maybe Hunter.
Ed: I'm going to stop posting if you don't refrain from stealing all of my thoughts. lol
All I've got left to add is that IMO (assuming the rumor is true) the move up would be for Carter.
I think Hunter will still be there at pick three, and they probably only see him as a CB (where, IMO, he is absolutely brilliant).
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 03, 2025, 09:50:58 AMEd: I'm going to stop posting if you don't refrain from stealing all of my thoughts. lol
All I've got left to add is that IMO (assuming the rumor is true) the move up would be for Carter.
I think Hunter will still be there at pick three, and they probably only see him as a CB (where, IMO, he is absolutely brilliant).
Bob
Just report him, Bob. ;) 8))
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 03, 2025, 09:50:58 AMEd: I'm going to stop posting if you don't refrain from stealing all of my thoughts. lol
All I've got left to add is that IMO the move up is for Carter.
I think Hunter will still be there at pick three, and they probably only see him as a CB.
Bob
I don't believe the rumor but they have been given an ultimatum by the owner to find a QB and win next year. They are not trading up for Hunter or Carter. And that they passed on JJ, Nix, and Penix last year put them in this position this year. Shows how wrong they were about the future of the team and their own futures.
Here is where an owner has to look out for the long term interest of the team. If Carter is say the better player than Ward, but Ward has only chance to save JS/BD jobs, he cant let them pick Ward just to save potentially their jobs.
Trade up? Hell no Not for those two Titans want the best player..Browns should do the same..then those two sitting there at 3...let's talk
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 03, 2025, 09:50:58 AMEd: I'm going to stop posting if you don't refrain from stealing all of my thoughts. lol
All I've got left to add is that IMO (assuming the rumor is true) the move up would be for Carter.
I think Hunter will still be there at pick three, and they probably only see him as a CB (where, IMO, he is absolutely brilliant).
Bob
I have a friend who was a Coach and is now an executive for a College team that knows these three QB's well. In fact, his team played against Ward last season. He likes Dart over Ward and Sanders. My friend was a quarterback coach in the NFL and was considered a QB Guru. I put a lot of weight in what he says. I don't see trading up to one for any of these three QBs. Quite frankly, I agree with whoever said it will cost much more than a couple of 4ths to move up. I see them signing a veteran mentor and drafting but not over reaching for a QB.
Overall, I think its a BS rumor. Trading up and getting Landry in the trade and then drafting Carter while already having Burns and Thibs and the worst offense in the NFL for the last two years, doesn't make much sense to me.
If they do love Ward and think he will be gone and want to trade up for him, I don't see two 3rd rounders as a big price.
On a side note, I heard a former NFL player on the radio say that the scouts he has talked to have none of the QBs with a 1st round grade.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 03, 2025, 10:17:53 AMOverall, I think its a BS rumor. Trading up and getting Landry in the trade and then drafting Carter while already having Burns and Thibs and the worst offense in the NFL for the last two years, doesn't make much sense to me.
If they do love Ward and think he will be gone and want to trade up for him, I don't see two 3rd rounders as a big price.
On a side note, I heard a former NFL player on the radio say that the scouts he has talked to have none of the QBs with a 1st round grade.
UConn
That's really my thought..totally overvalued the two...it's a draft full of QB projects..not starters
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 03, 2025, 10:17:53 AMOverall, I think its a BS rumor. Trading up and getting Landry in the trade and then drafting Carter while already having Burns and Thibs and the worst offense in the NFL for the last two years, doesn't make much sense to me.
If they do love Ward and think he will be gone and want to trade up for him, I don't see two 3rd rounders as a big price.
On a side note, I heard a former NFL player on the radio say that the scouts he has talked to have none of the QBs with a 1st round grade.
Thank you. How many edge rushers does this team need? Has Ojulari, Burns and Thibs. Does it need a 4th in Carter or a 4th and 5th in Carter and Landry? No way. If we take Carter he better be LT 2.0 then we trade Ojulari, Thibs or Burns for draft capital.
Ojulari is a free agent. We won't be keeping him.
Quote from: londonblue on March 03, 2025, 10:26:27 AMOjulari is a free agent. We won't be keeping him.
Thanks. Forgot that.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 03, 2025, 10:15:06 AMI have a friend who was a Coach and is now an executive for a College team that knows these three QB's well. In fact, his team played against Ward last season. He likes Dart over Ward and Sanders. My friend was a quarterback coach in the NFL and was considered a QB Guru. I put a lot of weight in what he says. I don't see trading up to one for any of these three QBs. Quite frankly, I agree with whoever said it will cost much more than a couple of 4ths to move up. I see them signing a veteran mentor and drafting but not over reaching for a QB.
Ed: I'll only ask this about one guy - at what level do you see Dart going?
To be fair, I'll tell you my answer so I can't again accuse you of theft. lol
IMO our best hope - trade up from their 2nd pick if Dart lasts til the bottom third of the first round.
Bob
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 03, 2025, 10:17:53 AMTrading up and getting Landry in the trade and then drafting Carter while already having Burns and Thibs and the worst offense in the NFL for the last two years, doesn't make much sense to me.
uconn: Does this help? What actually won the Super Bowl for the Eagles? (hint: not Barkley or Hurts). Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 03, 2025, 11:47:11 AMuconn: Does this help? What actually won the Super Bowl for the Eagles? (hint: not Barkley or Hurts). Bob
Hi Bob - I here you that you believe the Philly D won the Super Bowl and believe you are probably right but they only won it because Jalen Hurts is at least a B+ QB, Saquon is at least an A running back, their OL is at least an A-, etc., etc.
If the Giants produce an A defensive line but have an F QB, a D OL, a B RB and a B WR corps (Nabers is an A but rest are B), then no matter if Carter gets 22 sacks, the Giants will not be in the playoffs.
I subscribe to the weakest link theory. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Improving our QB play from an F to a B will do more to produce wins than taking a B- DL and turning it into a B+/A- DL
Quote from: Philosophers on March 03, 2025, 11:51:59 AMHi Bob - I here you that you believe the Philly D won the Super Bowl and believe you are probably right but they only won it because Jalen Hurts is at least a B+ QB, Saquon is at least an A running back, their OL is at least an A-, etc., etc.
If the Giants produce an A defensive line but have an F QB, a D OL, a B RB and a B WR corps (Nabers is an A but rest are B), then no matter if Carter gets 22 sacks, the Giants will not be in the playoffs.
I subscribe to the weakest link theory. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Improving our QB play from an F to a B will do more to produce wins than taking a B- DL and turning it into a B+/A- DL
uconn: All true, but when your roster is a disaster, you've gotta start somewhere.
Maybe the Giants believe (viewing the specific strengths and weaknesses of free agency and the draft this year) that pass rush (DL/EDGE/LB) is the way to go. Or maybe they know something about their QB/OL/TE situation that we don't.
Either way, if the rumor is true (IMO unlikely) then you CAN make some sense out of it, although I will repeat that I agree completely with everything you wrote.
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 03, 2025, 11:44:50 AMEd: I'll only ask this about one guy - at what level do you see Dart going?
To be fair, I'll tell you my answer so I can't again accuse you of theft. lol
IMO our best hope - trade up from their 2nd pick if Dart lasts til the bottom third of the first round.
Bob
Bob, I really don't know at this point. Although, I won't be surprised if reports start coming back based on conversations with "undisclosed team officials". Some of these guys may rise. At this point, I figured Dart is near Sanders. Mid Round. That's going to change Draft Day.