I am not sure this is the best course of action, but there are so many reports tying Rodgers to the Giants. Either Schoen is putting up a smoke screen for the ages, or Rodgers is a Giant next season.
https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1897813980153827751
https://x.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1898082302426546473
https://x.com/MikeFrancesa/status/1898052367158837397
https://x.com/outkick/status/1897738962409505208?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
:boooo:
Put aside all of his prima donna ways and the distraction to the team.
This guy can no longer STAY HEALTHY!! We'll be lucky to get 5 games out of him!
This seems like a Hail Mary move by Schoen and Daboll to save their jobs. Perhaps they should ask Saleh and Douglas how Rodgers did saving their jobs.
Is he the best free agent vet qb, yes by a mile. That's all that should matter, can he play ball at high level, yes. He allows us to draft and develop a qb longterm without rushing anything. So why would we go with Winston or Fields who are clearly significantly below Rodgers level.
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 07, 2025, 02:27:06 PMPut aside all of his prima donna ways and the distraction to the team.
This guy can no longer STAY HEALTHY!! We'll be lucky to get 5 games out of him!
He started every game last year and the numbers he put up are better than any numbers put up by a Giants quarterback since 2015.
Like anything it depends on the price
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 07, 2025, 02:47:44 PMIs he the best free agent vet qb, yes by a mile. That's all that should matter, can he play ball at high level, yes. He allows us to draft and develop a qb longterm without rushing anything. So why would we go with Winston or Fields who are clearly significantly below Rodgers level.
Last year when he was reasonably healthy
he had a 90.5 QB rating (which is slightly below the 93.6 2020 average
he had a 48.0 QBR which is well below the average of 60
he was PFF's 18th ranked QB
Now he's a year older...
The only offset is he is another year removed from a major injury (achielles)
What do you guys think Rodgers will cost in 2025?
What would be the max you'd be willing to pay if it were your decision?
I want no parts of him. Don't like him as a person and don't want him near my team. I said it in another thread... if Schoen and Daboll bring Rodgers in, I will openly root for their failure and firings. I may even spring for a couple of planes.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 07, 2025, 02:56:25 PMWhat do you guys think Rodgers will cost in 2025?
What would be the max you'd be willing to pay if it were your decision?
That's really going to be up to Rodgers. He was originally going to make just under $40 million this year. Now that he is released and the market doesn't appear to be strong for him, perhaps $25- $30 million, it's really hard to say. If Rodgers is trying to win, perhaps he takes just $20 million. It would be easy enough to structure a contract that reduces the cap hit for 2025 (by pushing some of the cap hit into the future).
Quote from: T200 on March 07, 2025, 03:01:02 PMI want no parts of him. Don't like him as a person and don't want him near my team. I said it in another thread... if Schoen and Daboll bring Rodgers in, I will openly root for their failure and firings. I may even spring for a couple of planes.
Tim,
Rodgers wouldn't be the first QB I had to stomach as a Giants fan. Kerry Collins (who eventually reformed his image) didn't exactly come to the Giants with a sterling reputation.
In 1998, Collins was arrested for drunk driving after a party with former teammates.
Collins signed with the Saints to finish the 1998 season, but he stayed behind after a game to go to a party with former teammates.
There was also an incident with a racial epithet, but when I researched it, it doesn't appear to be the issue I believed it to be when the Giants signed Collins
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/24/sports/panthers-collins-finds-himself-tangled-up-in-racial-barbs.html
. After an 0–4 start, Collins walked into head coach Dom Capers' office and, as Collins later put it, "told Coach Capers my heart's not in it, I'm not happy, and I don't feel like I can play right now."[8] He asked to be traded, but was instead placed on waivers by Carolina during the 1998 season and subsequently signed with the New Orleans Saints to finish the season.
Collins would later say that he did not intend to quit the Panthers, only to sit out for a few weeks. However, Capers interpreted his request as quitting on the team and he was released. He later admitted that much of his erratic behavior was due to his struggles with alcoholism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Collins
Kerry Collins has seen the videotape of himself walking from North Carolina's Mecklenburg County Jail last November, a cigar in his mouth and a slight smirk on his face, four hours after his arrest for drunken driving.
Last week, he offered a self-analysis:
''What a dirt bag. I looked like a dirt bag. I mean, I did.''
https://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/17/sports/pro-football-there-s-life-beyond-football-having-hit-bottom-wiser-kerry-collins.html
In the end, Collins managed to redeem himself with the Giants.
We've become the Jets, so may as well bring in Rodgers. Give him 45-50 mil and an assistant GM title. We'll be competing for 3rd place in the division before you know it.
@MightyGiants I was aware of Collins' alcohol issues. He showed enough remorse and rehabilitation for the Giants to give him a shot. He did well to redeem himself, on and off the field.
Can't say the same for Rodgers at this point. Not sure if he ever will, in my eyes. The one thing that he and I have in common is that neither of us cares. :ok:
Why all the negativity about Rodgers? Currently the Giants have NO ONE IN THE QB ROOM, oh yeah, cutlets, again, NO ONE IN THE QB ROOM. The Giants are in a bad situation exacerbated by bad timing to be looking for an effective starter at the most important position. They're trying to make the best of it, before the draft.
He will inevitably be a headache... but I don't think it's the worst idea. They need a QB on the roster prior to the draft. Provided Rodgers comes relatively cheaply, I don't mind it. That being said, if he does sign, there will assuredly come a point in the season when I highly regret posting this when he makes a spectacle of himself.
What game will Rodgers go down for the season? 41 year old QBs are nice for a game or two as a backup. It will be a fiasco.
His play in 2023 is better than anything Jones ever put together, as well as Lock and DeVito, it would be a sizable upgrade and a bridge, won't have to force QB at 3.
The money will need to make sense though, which I am not sure it will, all things considered.
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 07, 2025, 05:09:45 PMHis play in 2023 is better than anything Jones ever put together, as well as Lock and DeVito, it would be a sizable upgrade and a bridge, won't have to force QB at 3.
The money will need to make sense though, which I am not sure it will, all things considered.
I agree he is better than anyone the Giants have at QB by a long shot. He's also older than any of them by a long shot. And coming to a team that is weak in so many areas. Not a good fit for either. Especially if there is a rookie that is waiting in the wings.
Quote from: katkavage on March 07, 2025, 05:36:48 PMI agree he is better than anyone the Giants have at QB by a long shot. He's also older than any of them by a long shot. And coming to a team that is weak in so many areas. Not a good fit for either. Especially if there is a rookie that is waiting in the wings.
I dont mind the age since we are talking about a 1-2 year bridge. Since no draft capital is involved it is what it is for me. In that regard age is a non factor for me.
If this was a trade scenario I would be completely out.
Is football really Rodgers priority? Didnt seem that way with the Jets.
Ancient QB. Absolutely headache and terrible fit for young roster. Prima Donna ("bring my guys aboard or else!") Liar about health issues that could have hurt his teammates.
I would rather lose without Rodgers than win with him. No contest.
How legitimate are any of these rumors about who our QB will be next year? First was all this talk about how our front office was enamored with Shedeur. Then I read here that the Giants were potentially going to take Dart third overall. Then it was basically a done deal we were trading for Stafford. Then just 2-3 days ago I was reading/hearing that we were trading up to the 1-hole so we could draft Cam Ward. Now we're apparently going to sign Rodgers.
One thing is for certain - the folks who "break" these stories are certainly making their bosses happy by getting all these clicks from credulous Giants fans. Impressive work on their part. They have literally gotten this fan base to believe every single possible outcome in the span of about three or four weeks!
Quote from: files58 on March 07, 2025, 03:49:36 PMWhy all the negativity about Rodgers? Currently the Giants have NO ONE IN THE QB ROOM, oh yeah, cutlets, again, NO ONE IN THE QB ROOM. The Giants are in a bad situation exacerbated by bad timing to be looking for an effective starter at the most important position. They're trying to make the best of it, before the draft.
I don't get it. But then people loved Jones since he was a good guy, hard working etc. Same logic in my opinion. Rodgers rubs people the wrong way, but he's smart and a First Ballot HoF QB. Absolutely sign him. We won't be saddled with him long and it could be interesting. It doesn't block us from taking a QB next year, but hopefully means we don't overdraft a mediocre one this spring.
I'm fine with it. No great expectations, but it's probably the best option given the circumstances and that's why they're doing it. Not a desperation move to save their jobs. Drafting Sanders would be that.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 07, 2025, 02:56:25 PMWhat do you guys think Rodgers will cost in 2025?
What would be the max you'd be willing to pay if it were your decision?
2 year 55 million with most in the first year so they can dump him in the 2nd if need be.
Quote from: StompYouOT on March 07, 2025, 07:12:05 PMI don't get it. But then people loved Jones since he was a good guy, hard working etc. Same logic in my opinion. Rodgers rubs people the wrong way, but he's smart and a First Ballot HoF QB. Absolutely sign him. We won't be saddled with him long and it could be interesting. It doesn't block us from taking a QB next year, but hopefully means we don't overdraft a mediocre one this spring.
I'm fine with it. No great expectations, but it's probably the best option given the circumstances and that's why they're doing it. Not a desperation move to save their jobs. Drafting Sanders would be that.
I'm pretty neutral on this topic, and I'm not challenging you on this statement, but this can affect the Giants ability to draft a QB next year. How so? Let me explain.
Because if Rogers has a good year next year, and the Giants win some games, let's say 7-9 wins, then that will put them way out of the range of getting one of the top QB's next year, like an Arch Manning.
I think if the Giants don't draft a QB this year, they've got to tank next year to have a shot at one of the elite QB prospects next year, or they will miss the boat again. Because QB needy teams are not going to move out of their draft position unless you give up the farm, and even then, most won't budge from their spot.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 07, 2025, 02:47:44 PMIs he the best free agent vet qb, yes by a mile. That's all that should matter, can he play ball at high level, yes. He allows us to draft and develop a qb longterm without rushing anything. So why would we go with Winston or Fields who are clearly significantly below Rodgers level.
I think this is debatable. My opinion, Rodgers has plenty in the tank and he would come with a chip. Maybe it's not popular but I'll go on record and say with him we make the Wild Card at least.
Regarding the debate is he the best by far, two minutes left today do u have more faith in Rodgers or Cousins?....Cousins makes it look easy at times
Quote from: Trench on March 08, 2025, 12:27:15 AMI think this is debatable. My opinion, Rodgers has plenty in the tank and he would come with a chip. Maybe it's not popular but I'll go on record and say with him we make the Wild Card at least.
Regarding the debate is he the best by far, two minutes left today do u have more faith in Rodgers or Cousins?....Cousins makes it look easy at times
Acquiring Rodgers is a 'Win Now' move for a team that is in the 'Win Now' window.
Being realistic, our focus should be on building a perennial playoff team, not patching up a lower tier roster to squeak out a few more wins. Rodgers doesn't help this team long-term. It's a one-season move at best.
I think these strong rumors are being floated by the Giants to guage fan reaction to his potential signing.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 08, 2025, 06:59:07 AMI think these strong rumors are being floated by the Giants to guage fan reaction to his potential signing.
That thought crossed my mind and also that they have interest in another QB and this is a Trumplike distraction.
I think the Jets were more in a win now mode with better overall talent than the Giants but needing a QB. The Giants are not win now. Rebuilding is a generous word at this point. Stay the course with the Draft, dont give up draft capital to anyone and get a FA someone who can lead the team but not divide the team. All Rodgers does in n upside is get Giants to like 5-12 or 6-11. Is that worth it? We need to be bad again next year.
My guess is now Darnold's value went up with Geno Smith trade so Seahawks aggressively pursue Darnold.
Quote from: T200 on March 08, 2025, 06:55:18 AMAcquiring Rodgers is a 'Win Now' move for a team that is in the 'Win Now' window.
Being realistic, our focus should be on building a perennial playoff team, not patching up a lower tier roster to squeak out a few more wins. Rodgers doesn't help this team long-term. It's a one-season move at best.
To your point, it has been reported Rodgers was a good mentor to Love and handed the reigns with dignity when the time came. Jets Hard Knocks also showed Rodgers positive with the young QBs. He became a cancer on Jets and a distraction I will fully admit that. But he wasn't that on GB.
Perhaps the Giants are definitely taking a kid QB and simply want to give a proven vet a 2 year deal to help mold the kid
I dont think Rodgers needs to go out of his way with a young QB and befriend him but sharing some nuggets of info plus listening to how Rodgers processes what he sees would be really valuable
Quote from: Trench on March 08, 2025, 08:38:43 AMTo your point, it has been reported Rodgers was a good mentor to Love and handed the reigns with dignity when the time came. Jets Hard Knocks also showed Rodgers positive with the young QBs. He became a cancer on Jets and a distraction I will fully admit that. But he wasn't that on GB.
Perhaps the Giants are definitely taking a kid QB and simply want to give a proven vet a 2 year deal to help mold the kid
I think this is possible and it has crossed my mind as well.
I also think it's possible that he'll be less of a diva (ie less demanding about who the OC is, what free agents are brought in, etc) on the Giants than he was on the Jets. Maybe he just wants to play for another year. He bought a house in Jersey and may feel like he has another year or two in him.
To be clear, I'm not really advocating for him. I think he'll cost more than he'll be worth, and he can definitely be a pain in the neck. But if we're drafting someone like a McCord, Howard, or Ewers on day two, and we want the young QB to sit out the 2025 season and develop while watching/learning from one of the all time greats, then there may be something to that.
https://x.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1898372124017889640
https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1898384766023368997
How does Daniel Jones leaving the Vikes mean Rodgers goes there? Why wouldn't they just keep Darnold then!
That said, let that circus head to Minny. Just take fields or Winston.
Quote from: SlotCorner on March 08, 2025, 10:02:44 AMHow does Daniel Jones leaving the Vikes mean Rodgers goes there? Why wouldn't they just keep Darnold then!
That said, let that circus head to Minny. Just take fields or Winston.
If Darnold goes to the Seahawks, the Vikings will need a proven QB. Jones may not be the best, but he is proven and the HC of Minny is a supporter of his. If Jones leaves, the Vikings will need a QB. Rodgers would no doubt prefer to play for a contender like Minnie than the Giants.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 08, 2025, 10:08:56 AMIf Darnold goes to the Seahawks, the Vikings will need a proven QB. Jones may not be the best, but he is proven and the HC of Minny is a supporter of his. If Jones leaves, the Vikings will need a QB. Rodgers would no doubt prefer to play for a contender like Minnie than the Giants.
Makes sense but the caveat I didn't realize u til it was pointed out today is he bought a home in NJ. He may really enjoy the tri state area.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 08, 2025, 10:08:56 AMIf Darnold goes to the Seahawks, the Vikings will need a proven QB. Jones may not be the best, but he is proven and the HC of Minny is a supporter of his. If Jones leaves, the Vikings will need a QB. Rodgers would no doubt prefer to play for a contender like Minnie than the Giants.
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts...
Proven? Proven? Like in Proven he may not, what?
Who gives a crap for whom Rodgers would prefer to play as long as it isn't the Giants?
Talk about guessing where and in what Schoen/Daboll/Mara will put our wet fingers for us. Right now, not knowing might not be such a bad thing especially when we consider how our minds seem to work.
Cheers!
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 08, 2025, 08:48:04 AMI think this is possible and it has crossed my mind as well.
I also think it's possible that he'll be less of a diva (ie less demanding about who the OC is, what free agents are brought in, etc) on the Giants than he was on the Jets. Maybe he just wants to play for another year. He bought a house in Jersey and may feel like he has another year or two in him.
To be clear, I'm not really advocating for him. I think he'll cost more than he'll be worth, and he can definitely be a pain in the neck. But if we're drafting someone like a McCord, Howard, or Ewers on day two, and we want the young QB to sit out the 2025 season and develop while watching/learning from one of the all time greats, then there may be something to that.
None of McCord, Howard, or Ewers are remotely worth the 2nd pick in the 2nd round. I wouldn't even take any of them with the top pick in the third round.
There is next to no talent difference among that group - plus Shough and Cook - and at least 2 of them will still be available in round 4.
Rodgers can prefer till the cows come home .but at 41...few takers except maybe our heroes...not surprising .
The Giants are totally dysfunctional and hopeless in their approach..they simply should have blown everything up..start to draft great players..not need guys to save jobs perceptually
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 08, 2025, 10:08:56 AMRodgers would no doubt prefer to play for a contender like Minnie than the Giants.
Rich,
While this may well be correct, I don't know about the "no doubt" part. I think we can agree that Rodgers is a bit of a strange guy (I realize you and others may use a less flattering adjective), and winning another SB may not be the only factor in his thinking. In a press conference I heard him say his two years with the Jets were the best two years of his life. I found that bizarre, but he did say it. So who knows what his exact priorities are.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 08, 2025, 11:17:39 AMRich,
While this may well be correct, I don't know about the "no doubt" part. I think we can agree that Rodgers is a bit of a strange guy (I realize you and others may use a less flattering adjective), and winning another SB may not be the only factor in his thinking. In a press conference I heard him say his two years with the Jets were the best two years of his life. I found that bizarre, but he did say it. So who knows what his exact priorities are.
Strange for sure as well as bizarre, both of which go a long way in describing Rodgers, something which has become evident only in the past few years. It nice to think that his 2 years with the Jets were the "best of his life" Let's just hope that he doesn't get a chance to put that to a test with the Giants.
Cheers!
Quote from: Trench on March 08, 2025, 12:27:15 AMI think this is debatable. My opinion, Rodgers has plenty in the tank and he would come with a chip. Maybe it's not popular but I'll go on record and say with him we make the Wild Card at least.
Regarding the debate is he the best by far, two minutes left today do u have more faith in Rodgers or Cousins?....Cousins makes it look easy at times
Cousin has notoriously tanked in the playoffs and he's not currently available.
If you're the Vikings,
Rodgers or Jones.
Tough decision. /sarcasm/
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 08, 2025, 12:01:46 PMIf you're the Vikings,
Rodgers or Jones.
Tough decision. /sarcasm/
One is going to cost something like $30m or $40m. The other will cost peanuts and can transition you to McCarthy whenever he's ready (apparently he's been cleared for spring practice).
Neither will win you a Super Bowl.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 08, 2025, 11:43:43 AMCousin has notoriously tanked in the playoffs and he's not currently available.
That he did.
But he had a certain "look" in the 2 minute drill. I know last year was bad though.
As for availability, I think he has permission to shop around.
Question - Would u rather Rodgers or Cousins?
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 08, 2025, 12:01:46 PMIf you're the Vikings,
Rodgers or Jones.
Tough decision. /sarcasm/
Rodgers
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 08, 2025, 12:07:38 PMOne is going to cost something like $30m or $40m. The other will cost peanuts and can transition you to McCarthy whenever he's ready (apparently he's been cleared for spring practice).
Neither will win you a Super Bowl.
Serious upgrade on a very good team. Don't be so sure about that.
Quote from: Trench on March 08, 2025, 12:08:40 PMThat he did.
But he had a certain "look" in the 2 minute drill. I know last year was bad though.
As for availability, I think he has permission to shop around.
Question - Would u rather Rodgers or Cousins?
https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1898416245256470764?
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 08, 2025, 12:09:39 PMhttps://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1898416245256470764?
You're making it hard for me to promote the good I've seen in Cousins when I watch those clips.
Wow
Quote from: Trench on March 08, 2025, 12:11:18 PMYou're making it hard for me to promote the good I've seen in Cousins when I watch those clips.
Wow
He's always had talent, but he choked in big moments. Now Trench, he's just plain shot.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 08, 2025, 12:13:12 PMHe's always had talent, but he choked in big moments. Now Trench, he's just plain shot.
Hard pill to swallow as there was always something I liked about the guy
I wouldnt be opposed to this for 1-2 years. Not sold on any of the QBs this year. Think Rodgers will be motivated to show what happened with the Jets was a fluke due to injuries. Also think he may sign cheap (relatively speaking) as it is not about money at this point. Rodgers, Carter/Graham/hunter at 3. Milroe or someone at 34 and see if you can develop him over the next year and a half.
Quote from: coggs on March 08, 2025, 12:37:53 PMI wouldnt be opposed to this for 1-2 years. Not sold on any of the QBs this year. Think Rodgers will be motivated to show what happened with the Jets was a fluke due to injuries. Also think he may sign cheap (relatively speaking) as it is not about money at this point. Rodgers, Carter/Graham/hunter at 3. Milroe or someone at 34 and see if you can develop him over the next year and a half.
I'm warming up to this a little bit as well. I actually wouldn't mind trading down the third pick (assuming Hunter is gone) for another 2026 first rounder if that's possible, but I realize the odds of these guys doing that are close to zero, plus you obviously need another team to be interested and willing to pay the right price.
Milroe wouldn't be my personal choice for a QB to take a shot on at 34 but that's a different conversation. As an overall strategy (whoever the day two QB is), I can think of worse ones than the above.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 08, 2025, 12:01:46 PMIf you're the Vikings,
Rodgers or Jones.
Tough decision. /sarcasm/
If you're Rodgers,
Vikings or Giants in the twilight of your career.
Tough decision. /sarcasm/
As for the really bad INT's... wondering if they could have been his opening argument to be traded. lol
As for Jones vs Rodgers, there ARE arguments for Jones (and a few against Rodgers we don't know about).
Lastly, assuming the Giants do want (and sign) Rodgers, how much (if any) of an indicator is it that the Giants plan to draft a QB this year? And, if that is also true, then does it mean the QB will be taken in the first (or high second) round?
Bob
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 08, 2025, 11:17:39 AMRich,
While this may well be correct, I don't know about the "no doubt" part. I think we can agree that Rodgers is a bit of a strange guy (I realize you and others may use a less flattering adjective), and winning another SB may not be the only factor in his thinking. In a press conference I heard him say his two years with the Jets were the best two years of his life. I found that bizarre, but he did say it. So who knows what his exact priorities are.
Jeff,
I don't pretend to know what goes on in that bizarre head of his. That said, the Vikings play indoors, have a strong line and good receivers. That's a pretty good checklist for an aging QB
Quote from: Trench on March 08, 2025, 10:31:40 AMMakes sense but the caveat I didn't realize u til it was pointed out today is he bought a home in NJ. He may really enjoy the tri state area.
He bought the home a year and a half ago (a nice 9 million dollar mansion in Cedar Grove). When it comes to playing, the Vikings have indoor games, a great line, and great receivers. I have to think the playing situation trumps his nice home.
https://jerseydigs.com/aaron-rodgers-house-new-jersey/
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 08, 2025, 01:43:30 PMHe bought the home a year and a half ago (a nice 9 million dollar mansion in Cedar Grove). When it comes to playing, the Vikings have indoor games, a great line, and great receivers. I have to think the playing situation trumps his nice home.
https://jerseydigs.com/aaron-rodgers-house-new-jersey/
Extremely interesting "for" and "against" arguments being debated here
https://x.com/HaydenWinks/status/1898144584955314435
Quote from: T200 on March 07, 2025, 03:01:02 PMI want no parts of him. Don't like him as a person and don't want him near my team. I said it in another thread... if Schoen and Daboll bring Rodgers in, I will openly root for their failure and firings. I may even spring for a couple of planes.
This. I don't know if I could watch the Gmen while he's there. It would be like signing Michael Vick when he was still around. Can he ball? Maybe... but I dislike him as a person so much that I don't care if he can help us.
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Quote from: Bob In PA on March 08, 2025, 01:33:06 PMAs for the really bad INT's... wondering if they could have been his opening argument to be traded. lol
As for Jones vs Rodgers, there ARE arguments for Jones (and a few against Rodgers we don't know about).
Lastly, assuming the Giants do want (and sign) Rodgers, how much (if any) of an indicator is it that the Giants plan to draft a QB this year? And, if that is also true, then does it mean the QB will be taken in the first (or high second) round?
Bob
This was exactly what I was thinking. I'm actually hoping Rodgers to the giants is true, because if it is, I am pretty sure they aren't taking a QB at third overall. Because I don't like the QBs at the top of the draft.
A QB at three means you are playing him year one. You determine he's a franchise QB and want to get his feet wet as soon as possible to maximize his lower salary cap number. You are not taking a developmental QB at three.
I doubt Rodgers comes here just to be put on the bench by week 9. So I think if he comes here, it foreshadows the giants taking a different position at third overall, and taking a developmental QB later in the draft.
Still doesn't eliminate them going QB in 2026 either if a great one in that class is there when they pick relatively high next year. Rodgers or not, i cannot see the giants winning enough games this year to pick any lower than tenth overall. Not with our schedule. And that class is very good for QBs it would appear.
I prefer Fields to Rodgers, but one is clearly a caretaker and the other is an upside dice roll to be your QB going forward. So to me, Rodgers means the giants are leaning into a developmental QB this year, and we'll see next year.
All this said, if the giants sign Rodgers and then take a QB at third overall, Schoen needs to be fired immediately.
I can understand why Schoen and Daboll might want Rodgers
I cannot understand why Mara would OK it
I have no idea why Rodgers would want us
Quote from: londonblue on March 08, 2025, 04:09:06 PMI can understand why Schoen and Daboll might want Rodgers
I cannot understand why Mara would OK it
I have no idea why Rodgers would want us
I imagine the only thing Rodgers wants from the Giants is potential leverage with other teams
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 08, 2025, 04:11:30 PMI imagine the only thing Rodgers wants from the Giants is potential leverage with other teams
If that is true then I have lost ALL respect for the man. NY rolled out the red carpet for him. Show some respect Rodgers and don't let this be true!
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 08, 2025, 04:11:30 PMI imagine the only thing Rodgers wants from the Giants is potential leverage with other teams
You're wise beyond your years.
https://x.com/nflrums/status/1898516932489330712
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 09, 2025, 08:49:22 AMhttps://x.com/nflrums/status/1898516932489330712
They are trading dk, they would have an offense that is worse than the Giants.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 09, 2025, 10:06:57 AMThey are trading dk, they would have an offense that is worse than the Giants.
I am not sure. JSN has become their WR1 over Metcalf and Lockett.
That particular source is notorious clickbait. The Seahawks '12th man' reflects their environment in one of the most socially liberal urban areas in USA. They likely would not welcome AR and all his off-field baggage at all. Even more so as he would replace the very popular Geno Smith who they just traded away drawing criticism from many of their fans. Such a divisive move would put an even bigger spotlight on their GM, Schneider, who already faces a lot of local criticism. He'd have to possess the biggest balls in the West to pull that move.
Quote from: londonblue on March 08, 2025, 04:09:06 PMI can understand why Schoen and Daboll might want Rodgers
I cannot understand why Mara would OK it
I have no idea why Rodgers would want us
London: He may like (or have reason to want to stay in) the area. Whatever his reason (if any), I think it's clear that it's not directly related to football. Bob
Bring in Rodgers + a rookie QB + some vet backup (or Tommy DeVito I guess :surrender: ), in case Rodgers gets injured
I like it because it reduces pressure on management to drafT a QB, in case we don't really LOVE one in the 1st round
I'm all for avoiding the so called top prospects..but these are desperate times for the front office.. coach..and they're flailing. Mara wants a QB in the draft..or else veto pen. Rodgers I think they can stomach considering how awful and embarrassing their 100th season was..I don't want him..but I think is inevitable with this sad group..that really can't build effectively..now impatient and grasping at straws
Cue up the next click-getting QB rumor for the upcoming week...
https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1898779913303502893
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 09, 2025, 01:08:49 PMCue up the next click-getting QB rumor for the upcoming week...
https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1898779913303502893
It's just silly. Who said it was a slam dunk? Refuting things no one ever said is impressive amount of "look at me I'm saying things too!" energy. And honestly, if they strike out on Rodgers I won't care as long as they get another veteran in the building... But people will just use it as a reason to go "LOL Giants."
https://x.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1898782780206506184?s=61&t=RhLqKLKssFU2uI0Nr0nfxQ
I don't think our future salvation lies in any FA QB option so to be brutally honest I just want us to sign somebody better than Drew Lock for a modest $ that allows us to strengthen elsewhere then go from there. There are half a dozen guys not called Rodgers or Wilson for that matter who fit that profile. The answer might not be in the draft either but Schoen needs to get to the draft able to hold his nerve and go BPA/not mortgage the future in desperation.
Rumor is that kylar Murray is on the block and Vegas has us as the odds on favorite to trade for him. Absolutely dumbest decision ever if so.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 09, 2025, 05:00:47 PMRumor is that kylar Murray is on the block and Vegas has us as the odds on favorite to trade for him. Absolutely dumbest decision ever if so.
I did some checking, this is a pretty weak rumor started by essentially a nobody
https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1898856450824577491
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 09, 2025, 05:17:22 PMI did some checking, this is a pretty weak rumor started by essentially a nobody
nyg chat sports guy made a yt video on it and kept saying Murray was one of the best qbs in the league and I was dumbfounded by the statements.
Aaron Rodgers' agent is working very hard to try to create a market =D>
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 09, 2025, 05:00:47 PMRumor is that kylar Murray is on the block and Vegas has us as the odds on favorite to trade for him. Absolutely dumbest decision ever if so.
My son's a Cardinals fan, so I follow them almost as close as the Giants. There's 0 chance they move Kyler.
The coaching staff and org love him, and he's the entire face and identity of the franchise.
There certainly are rumors that the Cardinals would like to move from Kyler Murray with four teams: Jets, Raiders, Browns, and Steelers cited as possible destinations; Our Heros not being among them. In any case, there is a lot of money left on his current deal. Sound familiar?
What also may be thought familiar, re 2019-2024, the Giants and Daniel Jones, is that while Murray's 36-45-1 QBRec is far better than DJ's 6 year total, he too has had just one winning season. Moreover, it seems that last season both the owner and fans felt that the Cardinals had a team talented enough to make a solid Playoffs run and yet finished a disappointing 8-9. Thus, the age-old question: can they win a championship with Murray as QB1? They want someone else to try to answer that question? Maybe so, I don't know, but it won't be the Jints.
Cheers!
After what K Murry did to Marvin Harrison JR( even though he had a pretty good year)
The Giants would be crazy to trade for him
Plus he will get killed here
Quote from: ralphpal1 on March 09, 2025, 08:51:25 PMAfter what K Murry did to Marvin Harrison JR( even though he had a pretty good year)
The Giants would be crazy to trade for him
Plus he will get killed here
MJH was a rookie, maybe he was a bust
Not that i am defending kuler in anyway
Bring in Rodgers, Russell Wilson or another vet...even add Justin Fields (instead of DeVito)...
Draft a QB Top 3 if they LOVE one...and let him learn a bit
Or wait until 2026 (Manning) and ride 2025 with any of the above
That's how I see it
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 09, 2025, 09:33:27 PMMJH was a rookie, maybe he was a bust
Not that i am defending kuler in anyway
Kyler is not without his warts, that's for sure. But it's crazy to think that he's kind of underrated.
More often than not, the sentiment from fans seems to be that Kyler is a below-average QB. While he may not have lived up to his standing as a former #1 overall pick, he's still a top 10-12 QB.
Career wise, he stacks up well with someone like Baker, who seems to be much more highly regarded.
i think the Giants are Rodgers least option, by far...He may just retire instead. Fields wants the Jets or Steelers, so hello Russ. wooo. ..will he get his own office?
:surrender:
If our worst case is Wilson stays with the Steelers, Darnold to Seattle, Rodgers to Minnesota, Fields to Jets and we have to mop up a Winston or Garoppolo or ANO is it so terrible? The answer to our QB issue is not in FA. It really doesn't change much.
We are unlikely to be any team's first choice in FA unless we overpay massively and others have more capacity to do that than us for every position of need. This is likely to be a frustrating week requiring some patience and guile from Schoen to come out in better shape than we go in. We need to be realistic about what will and will not be achievable.
Quote from: londonblue on March 10, 2025, 05:30:52 AMIf our worst case is Wilson stays with the Steelers, Darnold to Seattle, Rodgers to Minnesota, Fields to Jets and we have to mop up a Winston or Garoppolo or ANO is it so terrible? The answer to our QB issue is not in FA. It really doesn't change much.
We are unlikely to be any team's first choice in FA unless we overpay massively and others have more capacity to do that than us for every position of need. This is likely to be a frustrating week requiring some patience and guile from Schoen to come out in better shape than we go in. We need to be realistic about what will and will not be achievable.
You are right on. This season wouldn't have produced a season that could be built on with any of the FA QBs. The Giants need someone to start the season and help mentor the QB of the future by showing him how to prepare for a game and hold the fort until he's ready to start. A QB with a win now agenda like Rodgers isn't it. A QB with an aspiring career like Fields or Darnold would be foolish to come here.
It's the fact that the Giants are drafting for a Franchise QB. The fact that Daboll and Schoen have uncertain futures and may not have another season, it's the decades long issues with an Offensive Line that can get a QB killed. It's a Franchise whose star has fallen from 12 to 6. It's evidence that the Franchise is not loyal to its best players and makes very bad decisions. It's all of those things.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 10, 2025, 08:18:46 AMYou are right on. This season wouldn't have produced a season that could be built on with any of the FA QBs. The Giants need someone to start the season and help mentor the QB of the future by showing him how to prepare for a game and hold the fort until he's ready to start. A QB with a win now agenda like Rodgers isn't it. A QB with an aspiring career like Fields or Darnold would be foolish to come here.
It's the fact that the Giants are drafting for a Franchise QB. The fact that Daboll and Schoen have uncertain futures and may not have another season, it's the decades long issues with an Offensive Line that can get a QB killed. It's a Franchise whose star has fallen from 12 to 6. It's evidence that the Franchise is not loyal to its best players and makes very bad decisions. It's all of those things.
@Ed Vette and
@londonblue You're right. Leaky boat is heading for Niagara Falls. Gonna take a miracle. We're just not that lucky. Bob