https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1899232306876801049?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
TERRIBLE
WTF is Joe doing ?
I guess you can merge my post
But wtf is this ?
I like Slayton but not this much wtf
Seems like an overpay.
Guess we have to wait until the guarantees and structure but I feel his 800 yards a year could be replaced for far cheaper.
They hate Hyatt so much. It's downright confounding.
We def could've gotten a better WR with this money
I'm baffled
I'm not a huge Slayton guy at all (I'd rather Hyatt get his reps), but I'm not sure this is such a bad deal looking at it financially.
He has often gotten plenty of hate here, and I always thought it wasn't deserved. He is a very under appreciated player. I never understood tbe Slayton hate on here
Good signing for about what I expected him to make.
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 10, 2025, 07:05:49 PMHe has often gotten plenty of hate here, and I always thought it wasn't deserved. He is a very under appreciated player. I never understood tbe Slayton hate on here
Good signing for about what I expected him to make.
I don't hate him by stretch.
He just doesn't move the needle.
This is his market value. He is better than Palmer who got the same bag. It isn't only our GM who sometimes undervalues our own judging by some of the reactions here.
I'm not as down on this as you guys are. I'm not saying it some steal or anything, but Slayton has been one of our more consistently productive and dependable players for a while now, and he's still in his 20s. He has been one of our more durable players too. Look at who our QB has been. Are his numbers really that terrible given the QB and O line play we have had?
We had nobody else or any significance to sign in this offseason, and sadly we don't really have anyone to sign next year either. I think there is something to be said for retaining a guy who has been as consistent for us as Slayton.
Also $12mm/yr just is not that much for a receiver anymore. The cap has gone parabolic. This isn't the 2020/2022 market anymore.
This is a head-scratcher for me. I would rather have Saquon for that money.
AWFUL!!
Schoen is in so far over his head it's ridiculous.
Slayton adds absolutely nothing to this offense. Such an absolute waste of the kind of money that could have brought the top OC on the market (Dalman) or an accomplished edge (Landry). Instead, it's completely wasted on a #3 receiver who had less than 40 catches and 2 TDs last year.
FIRE SCHOEN!!
Too much for just above avg guy
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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 10, 2025, 07:10:18 PMI'm not as down on this as you guys are. I'm not saying it some steal or anything, but Slayton has been one of our more consistently productive and dependable players for a while now, and he's still in his 20s. He has been one of our more durable players too. Look at who our QB has been. Are his numbers really that terrible given the QB and O line play we have had?
We had nobody else or any significance to sign in this offseason, and sadly we don't really have anyone to sign next year either. I think there is something to be said for retaining a guy who has been as consistent for us as Slayton.
Also $12mm/yr just is not that much for a receiver anymore. The cap has gone parabolic. This isn't the 2020/2022 market anymore.
He's had 2 TDs in 3 of the last 4 seasons. He averages 40 catches. Jalen McMillan was selected with the 92nd pick and had as many TDs as a rookie as Slayton has the last 3 seasons.
Quote from: T200 on March 10, 2025, 07:20:12 PMThis is a head-scratcher for me. I would rather have Saquon for that money.
I agree, at the time I wasn't mad at not signing Barkley.... but my god if you would've told me who are we going to pay 12mm a year ... I pick Barkley every time
I rather draft a WR round 2-3 and see if that works out
Looks like they gave up on Hyatt.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 10, 2025, 07:30:10 PMLooks like they gave up on Hyatt.
Even if that's the case, both Slayton and Hyatt can be replaced in the draft.
Could signal they know what QB they're getting if they're willing to commit those dollars to Slayton (don't need to save room). And honestly, the WR market is so crazy this deal is not really outlandish for his production.
Quote from: T200 on March 10, 2025, 07:20:12 PMThis is a head-scratcher for me. I would rather have Saquon for that money.
Good point. Not sure what the thinking is here.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 10, 2025, 07:20:23 PMAWFUL!!
Schoen is in so far over his head it's ridiculous.
Slayton adds absolutely nothing to this offense. Such an absolute waste of the kind of money that could have brought the top OC on the market (Dalman) or an accomplished edge (Landry). Instead, it's completely wasted on a #3 receiver who had less than 40 catches and 2 TDs last year.
FIRE SCHOEN!!
I've been a supporter of his but moves like this are pushing me away. If he signs Rodgers, I'm officially done with him.
The WR market has exploded. Without a QB in place, it must be difficult signing players with limited resources. Those left standing may have to settle for each other. Sad but true.
Feel like this move will look good if they can get some consistency throwing the ball downfield.
15 yards/reception for his career catching passes from the likes of Glennon, DeVito, Taylor and Lock with an OL that has multiple turnstiles is actually pretty impressive.
Haven't seen the contract details yet.
Quote from: T200 on March 10, 2025, 07:43:10 PMI've been a supporter of his but moves like this are pushing me away. If he signs Rodgers, I'm officially done with him.
Agreed. Most of his moves have made sense. Particularly having to deal with Mara. But I gotta believe Hyatt can give you what slayton does and that money could go to an OG or S. Rodgers would be the last straw for me not just with him but with the team as a whole. At least until they clean house including that POS QB.
Guys, they must see/know something about Hyatt that we don't see. Remember, a lot of WRs went before him in the draft. Maybe there's a reason. Maybe his ceiling is just a "speed guy". Wonder if they try him as a returner?
As for Slayton, I actually like it. He's better than given credit for (and improved QB play will illustrate that point), highly respected in the locker room and that's about what he would have got elsewhere.
Quote from: Gman329 on March 10, 2025, 08:39:16 PMGuys, they must see/know something about Hyatt that we don't see. Remember, a lot of WRs went before him in the draft. Maybe there's a reason. Maybe his ceiling is just a "speed guy". Wonder if they try him as a returner?
As for Slayton, I actually like it. He's better than given credit for (and improved QB play will illustrate that point), highly respected in the locker room and that's about what he would have got elsewhere.
What do you mean "that we don't see"? What exactly is there to "see" with Hyatt? The guy has done next to nothing in two years.
And if it's because Jones sucked and Hyatt is actually a good player and would do well with a better QB, then by that logic Slayton was actually good value at $12m per.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 10, 2025, 08:47:54 PMWhat do you mean "that we don't see"? What exactly is there to "see" with Hyatt? The guy has done next to nothing in two years.
And if it's because Jones sucked and Hyatt is actually a good player and would do well with a better QB, then by that logic Slayton was actually good value at $12m per.
When he played as a rookie he showed flashes of brilliance and caught everything his hands touched. We haven't seen him on the field since.
I'm not saying this guy is Justin Jefferson but I'd certainly like to see him get a chance to grow into a solid #2. The past couple seasons have been lost by Halloween. What's the harm in playing the guy? They might lose? Seems like they're doing plenty of that without him as it is.
Makes you wonder why a guy they traded up for hasn't been able to get off the bench
The clown show roles on.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 10, 2025, 08:47:54 PMWhat do you mean "that we don't see"? What exactly is there to "see" with Hyatt? The guy has done next to nothing in two years.
And if it's because Jones sucked and Hyatt is actually a good player and would do well with a better QB, then by that logic Slayton was actually good value at $12m per.
I was referring to the many voices, here and elsewhere, who have been clamoring for more playing time for Hyatt and hoped they would let Slayton go to clear the way. I'm saying there must be a reason the Giants aren't ready to hand him that role yet. And $12M for Slayton is about market value in 2025. I'm OK with it.
Quote from: Gman329 on March 10, 2025, 10:06:39 PMI was referring to the many voices, here and elsewhere, who have been clamoring for more playing time for Hyatt and hoped they would let Slayton go to clear the way. I'm saying there must be a reason the Giants aren't ready to hand him that role yet. And $12M for Slayton is about market value in 2025. I'm OK with it.
Fair enough.
I'd say it's do or die time for him this year. Receivers don't take three years to show something in the NFL. Kadarius Toney showed "flashes of brilliance" as a rookie too. Being a good NFL player is about being consistently productive.
Who the hell are we bidding against? Ourselves? What a terrible deal.
No point in overreacting yet. We don't know what the guaranteed money looks like, so for all we know we are paying him like 4 million a year or something in base salary and the rest be incentives. Slayton was always good for 7-800 yards with DJ and backups, so just projecting that means he could do a 1,000 with a good passer regularly and depending on the guarentee we could have a cheap 1000 yard wr. I'm not a huge fan of Slayton, but you can't really react to any of these contracts until you see the guarantees. It looks like so far that we got our really big piece in Adebo, and signed some really solid depth, again we don't know their guarantees so they are probably really cheap as well. We are likely waiting on the Qb domino to fall before diving in the 2nd tier of FA for a RG, and other pieces.
Wr contracts so far:
Khalil Shakir 4yr 60 million 821 yards 4tds
Chris Godwin 3yr 66 million 576 yards 5tds
Hollywood brown 1yr 11 million 91 yards 0Tds
Devante Adams 2yr 46 million 854 7tds
Darius Slayton 3yr 36 million 573 yards 2tds on 39 receptions
Slayton never got thrown to really last season, but if you look at his normal production year to year even with bad qb play you can see we got a deal before the guarantees come out. Hollywood brown had 91 yards last year and still got 11 million, Godwin almost had the same stats as Slayton and got 30 million more.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 10, 2025, 08:03:55 PMFeel like this move will look good if they can get some consistency throwing the ball downfield.
15 yards/reception for his career catching passes from the likes of Glennon, DeVito, Taylor and Lock with an OL that has multiple turnstiles is actually pretty impressive.
Haven't seen the contract details yet.
Context.
Very well put.
Also a long-standing Giant which ticks the leadership box.
$12M annually is not bad at all for a Veteran with six seasons under his belt with the QBs he's played with.
As a senior player on the team, and someone who is a team leader, I don't have an issue with his contract. He's still in his prime and, IF the Giants improve the QB AND the O-Line, imagine the possibilities with Slayton in a more open offense.
Peace!
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 10, 2025, 08:47:54 PMWhat do you mean "that we don't see"? What exactly is there to "see" with Hyatt? The guy has done next to nothing in two years.
And if it's because Jones sucked and Hyatt is actually a good player and would do well with a better QB, then by that logic Slayton was actually good value at $12m per.
In year one, I remember we were mostly all saying wow as Hyatt was creating separation all the time and made plays. Then he went to the doghouse.
I blame the beat writers. They never once out Daboll or a Schoen on the spot as to what this guy did or didn't do to deserve lack of opportunity
Quote from: Trench on March 10, 2025, 11:29:36 PMIn hear one, I remember we were mostly all saying wow as Hyatt was creating separation all the time and made plays. Then he went to the doghouse.
I blame the beat writers. They never once out Daboll or a Schoen on the spot as to what this guy did or didn't do to deserve lack of opportunity
If you watch film on Hyatt, it's a number of issues. He's inconsistent in his routes. He also has been used as a clear out to open space. DJ didn't trust him, and he's often been the third or fourth reads that the QB never got to. Dog House? Possibly that too. The better CBs in the league don't fall for his studder step act. Add in the Nabors factor who commanded the majority of targets and you get the Jalin Hyatt picture.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 10, 2025, 10:43:11 PMNo point in overreacting yet. We don't know what the guaranteed money looks like, so for all we know we are paying him like 4 million a year or something in base salary and the rest be incentives. Slayton was always good for 7-800 yards with DJ and backups, so just projecting that means he could do a 1,000 with a good passer regularly and depending on the guarentee we could have a cheap 1000 yard wr. I'm not a huge fan of Slayton, but you can't really react to any of these contracts until you see the guarantees. It looks like so far that we got our really big piece in Adebo, and signed some really solid depth, again we don't know their guarantees so they are probably really cheap as well. We are likely waiting on the Qb domino to fall before diving in the 2nd tier of FA for a RG, and other pieces.
Wr contracts so far:
Khalil Shakir 4yr 60 million 821 yards 4tds
Chris Godwin 3yr 66 million 576 yards 5tds
Hollywood brown 1yr 11 million 91 yards 0Tds
Devante Adams 2yr 46 million 854 7tds
Darius Slayton 3yr 36 million 573 yards 2tds on 39 receptions
Slayton never got thrown to really last season, but if you look at his normal production year to year even with bad qb play you can see we got a deal before the guarantees come out. Hollywood brown had 91 yards last year and still got 11 million, Godwin almost had the same stats as Slayton and got 30 million more.
Some of these stats are misleading. Godwin played 7 games, so his production is not comparable to Slayton. Adams broke 1,000 yards after missing a few games and getting traded. Hollywood barely played at all last season. Shakir is being paid based on Buffalo's belief that he's an ascending player. As for the others, I don't agree with giving big money to older and injury prone players, but most of those guys have much more talent than Slayton who is just more of the same for the Giants.
PFF rank out of 98 WR:
Chris Godwin 10th
Khalil Shakir 28th
Davante Adams 30th
Darius Slayton 91st
Great, so now we start talking about him getting moved at the trade deadline! SMFH!
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 11, 2025, 12:13:02 AMIf you watch film on Hyatt, it's a number of issues. He's inconsistent in his routes. He also has been used as a clear out to open space. DJ didn't trust him, and he's often been the third or fourth reads that the QB never got to. Dog House? Possibly that too. The better CBs in the league don't fall for his studder step act. Add in the Nabors factor who commanded the majority of targets and you get the Jalin Hyatt picture.
I can appreciate that reasoning if it's their feeling - especially the studder step stuff.
Two questions I would have for them:
1. What about WanDale routes?...they can't be considered that good when it appears to my naked eye he is 90% short of the marker
2. In regards to the studder step which i never thought of before, the guy does always seem to have a step or two on the defense (albeit almost every opportunity this year resulted in an uncatchable ball out of bounds in the deep route
Quote from: allieshermanghost on March 11, 2025, 01:35:46 AMGreat, so now we start talking about him getting moved at the trade deadline! SMFH!
Teams could have signed him for free yesterday, they didn't. You won't find teams giving up pieces for him.
Quote from: Trench on March 11, 2025, 04:47:40 AMI can appreciate that reasoning if it's their feeling - especially the studder step stuff.
Two questions I would have for them:
1. What about WanDale routes?...they can't be considered that good when it appears to my naked eye he is 90% short of the marker
2. In regards to the studder step which i never thought of before, the guy does always seem to have a step or two on the defense (albeit almost every opportunity this year resulted in an uncatchable ball out of bounds in the deep route
There were times he was wide open and the ball never went his way because he wasn't one of the first 2 reads. Then there were times that he never broke containment or he was washed out at the sidelines because of his initial break. Look at how fluid Nabors is in his cuts and compare them to Hyatt, and there is a big difference on some plays. He's inconsistent. It's very disappointing. His speed at this level is not going to get it done. I'm afraid he's trade bait now or he's the 4th option. WDR is the Slot/Possession Receiver and yes, those short routes are frustrating but in some cases you take what you get, and try to extend for the first down.
Quote from: allieshermanghost on March 11, 2025, 01:35:46 AMGreat, so now we start talking about him getting moved at the trade deadline! SMFH!
Not with this contract. Even if he just matches his 2024 stats no one will take on that contract.
The Giants - loyal to a fault... except for Saquon Barkley. Nice job. /sarcasm/ Bob
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on March 11, 2025, 12:34:26 AMSome of these stats are misleading. Godwin played 7 games, so his production is not comparable to Slayton. Adams broke 1,000 yards after missing a few games and getting traded. Hollywood barely played at all last season. Shakir is being paid based on Buffalo's belief that he's an ascending player. As for the others, I don't agree with giving big money to older and injury prone players, but most of those guys have much more talent than Slayton who is just more of the same for the Giants.
No they are not misleading, I put their contract amount and their production for the year, it couldn't be more straightforward than that. I like to assume people here aren't idiots, so if they see Hollywood brown only had 91 yards last season then they probably know he didn't play that much without me having to spell it out for them.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2025, 10:40:31 AMNo they are not misleading, I put their contract amount and their production for the year, it couldn't be more straightforward than that. I like to assume people here aren't idiots, so if they see Hollywood brown only had 91 yards last season then they probably know he didn't play that much without me having to spell it out for them.
Now you're just lying. You literally left out Davante's stats before the trade.
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 11, 2025, 10:25:47 AMThe Giants - loyal to a fault... except for Saquon Barkley. Nice job. /sarcasm/ Bob
First thing I thought, great signed Slayton for Barkley money.
WTF
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 11, 2025, 10:25:47 AMThe Giants - loyal to a fault... except for Saquon Barkley. Nice job. /sarcasm/ Bob
The Giants have let plenty of players go besides SB. Gettleman got rid of every single Reese guy but Slayton. Schoen has done a slightly better job but you need to add Love and McKinney to this list.
Quote from: TDToomer on March 11, 2025, 11:09:16 AMThe Giants have let plenty of players go besides SB. Gettleman got rid of every single Reese guy but Slayton. Schoen has done a slightly better job but you need to add Love and McKinney to this list.
TD: True, but none of them (guys like McKinney, for example) deserved the team's loyalty more than Barkley, IMO. Bob
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on March 11, 2025, 10:53:35 AMNow you're just lying. You literally left out Davante's stats before the trade.
Dude what's your problem? You get emotional yesterday because I said "use our whole draft" in reference to a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rd pick and now you are so bent our of shape about literally nothing.
https://www.google.com/search?q=devante+adams+stats&oq=devante+adams&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg7MgYIARBFGDkyCQgCECMYJxixAjIPCAMQLhgKGIMBGLEDGIAEMg8IBBAAGAoYgwEYsQMYgAQyDwgFEAAYChiDARixAxiABDIPCAYQABgKGIMBGLEDGIAEMg8IBxAAGAoYgwEYsQMYgAQyCQgIEAAYChiABDIICAkQABgDGAoyDwgKEAAYChiDARixAxiABDIICAsQABgDGAoyDwgMEAAYChiDARixAxiABDIJCA0QABgKGIAEMgkIDhAAGAoYgATSAQg2MzgzajBqN6gCFLACAfEFfWuVYbabQYo&client=ms-android-verizon-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#ebo=1
I got his stats from right there along with the other wrs and put his 2024 totals, I did not see the additional 2024 as they typically combine the totals on Google instead of doing them separately.
You know how easy it would have been to say "thanks for putting up the contract numbers and stats for fa wrs but you accidentally left off Adams stats with the raiders".
Instead you needlessly call me a liar, as if I would intentionally lie about devante adams on purpose is comical and make a big deal out of something that is absolutely nothing. I was putting out stats and facts about the Wrs as I've been doing with every FA signing so far to get people up to speed. Maybe you woke up on the wrong side of the bed, or I don't know but it's ridiculous, for what amounts to an accident. So I'll Apologize to Adams for the staggering 200 yards I didn't see, and give to him.
From the numbers seems like Slayton only got 22 million guaranteed and the contract is basically a 2 yr 24 million dollar deal. So basically 12 a year, which is more a lot more reasonable.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2025, 03:09:22 PMDude what's your problem? You get emotional yesterday because I said "use our whole draft" in reference to a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rd pick and now you are so bent our of shape about literally nothing.
https://www.google.com/search?q=devante+adams+stats&oq=devante+adams&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg7MgYIARBFGDkyCQgCECMYJxixAjIPCAMQLhgKGIMBGLEDGIAEMg8IBBAAGAoYgwEYsQMYgAQyDwgFEAAYChiDARixAxiABDIPCAYQABgKGIMBGLEDGIAEMg8IBxAAGAoYgwEYsQMYgAQyCQgIEAAYChiABDIICAkQABgDGAoyDwgKEAAYChiDARixAxiABDIICAsQABgDGAoyDwgMEAAYChiDARixAxiABDIJCA0QABgKGIAEMgkIDhAAGAoYgATSAQg2MzgzajBqN6gCFLACAfEFfWuVYbabQYo&client=ms-android-verizon-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#ebo=1
I got his stats from right there along with the other wrs and put his 2024 totals, I did not see the additional 2024 as they typically combine the totals on Google instead of doing them separately.
You know how easy it would have been to say "thanks for putting up the contract numbers and stats for fa wrs but you accidentally left off Adams stats with the raiders".
Instead you needlessly call me a liar, as if I would intentionally lie about devante adams on purpose is comical and make a big deal out of something that is absolutely nothing. I was putting out stats and facts about the Wrs as I've been doing with every FA signing so far to get people up to speed. Maybe you woke up on the wrong side of the bed, or I don't know but it's ridiculous, for what amounts to an accident. So I'll Apologize to Adams for the staggering 200 yards I didn't see, and give to him.
Yeah, I'm the emotional one, okay. I said you were lying because you continued to misrepresent the facts even after being corrected. Lying doesn't have to be intentional and calling someone out for lying is not the same as calling them a liar. Carry on with the incessant cheerleading of every move. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who can't wrap their head around criticism of a team coming off a 3 win season is not to be taken seriously.
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 10, 2025, 07:05:49 PMHe has often gotten plenty of hate here, and I always thought it wasn't deserved. He is a very under appreciated player. I never understood tbe Slayton hate on here
Good signing for about what I expected him to make.
Because most see him a 3rd receiver on a good day. If he is one of your top-2, you are likely not a very good team.
Quote from: TDToomer on March 11, 2025, 11:09:16 AMThe Giants have let plenty of players go besides SB. Gettleman got rid of every single Reese guy but Slayton. Schoen has done a slightly better job but you need to add Love and McKinney to this list.
Not to be picky but Slayton was a Gettleman selection in 2019
Quote from: coggs on March 11, 2025, 04:33:45 PMBecause most see him a 3rd receiver on a good day. If he is one of your top-2, you are likely not a very good team.
C'mon
@coggs ! It's not even likely. We all know how this team has stacked up against the competition over the years and at least, outside of Barkley, Slayton was a contributor to the offense. Maybe that doesn't say much to some; however, in the grand scheme, it's more than many!
If he lasts long enough to the point this group turns it around, we'll find out whether he's WR3 material or the team has upgraded around him to where he's buried at the bottom of the depth chart. But at least we can't knock him for being the consummate soldier, like the "Jimmy Robinson" of the modern era! Now THAT was a heck of a receiver from the Wilderness Years (The Original, for those of you who don't know the player).
Even Earnest Gray made it over the hump for a year with the 1984 Giants before they moved on without him. If the Giants DO happen to get over the hump, most expect the same scenario with Slayton. Like everything else, we shall have to wait and see.
Let's just hope they can turn it around, first and foremost!
Peace!
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2025, 03:11:19 PMFrom the numbers seems like Slayton only got 22 million guaranteed and the contract is basically a 2 yr 24 million dollar deal. So basically 12 a year, which is more a lot more reasonable.
On what planet are these the stats of a $12MM per year receiver?
Season Age Team Lg Pos G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD
2023 26 NYG NFL WR 17 13 79 50 770 15.4 4
2024 27 NYG NFL WR 16 13 71 39 573 14.7 2
Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on March 11, 2025, 05:03:50 PMNot to be picky but Slayton was a Gettleman selection in 2019
My bad, got him confused with Shep who was also resigned twice but at a reasonable salary that he was worth.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2025, 03:11:19 PMFrom the numbers seems like Slayton only got 22 million guaranteed and the contract is basically a 2 yr 24 million dollar deal. So basically 12 a year, which is more a lot more reasonable.
And a lot less than the Eagles gave Barkley.
I get that he's a WR... I get that he's had good stats last year.
But we didn't sing Barkley for 36mm and now did it for Slayton.
Sorry but I don't get that.
Quote from: GordonGekko80 on March 12, 2025, 09:58:29 AMI get that he's a WR... I get that he's had good stats last year.
But we didn't sing Barkley for 36mm and now did it for Slayton.
Sorry but I don't get that.
Gordon,
The average top 5 WR Salary Cap Players- $27.43
RB- $11.82
The average top 5 WR Contracts- $129.6, Slayton ranks- #29 at $36.0 MM
RB- $41.04, Barkley ranks- #3 $41.2 MM
The positional value of WR is 3 times higher for a contract. Yet, Barkley's contract with the Eagles has $14 million more in guaranteed money than Slayton. His average salary is $8.6 million higher than Slayton.
It doesn't matter what they were offered by the Giants. It's what the market valued them at. The price the Giants offered Barkley would be ranked at #5. He left for $5.1 million dollars more.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 12, 2025, 10:40:06 AMGordon,
The average top 5 WR Salary Cap Players- $27.43
RB- $11.82
The average top 5 WR Contracts- $129.6, Slayton ranks- #29 at $36.0 MM
RB- $41.04, Barkley ranks- #3 $41.2 MM
The positional value of WR is 3 times higher for a contract. Yet, Barkley's contract with the Eagles has $14 million more in guaranteed money than Slayton. His average salary is $8.6 million higher than Slayton.
It doesn't matter what they were offered by the Giants. It's what the market valued them at. The price the Giants offered Barkley would be ranked at #5. He left for $5.1 million dollars more.
I get it Ed, that's why I said "I get that he's a WR"... when I said that that's what I was referring to, positional value.
But the value Barkley brings to the table in terms of leadership has clearly been underestimated.
Anyways, we've discussed long enough and it's way past... So let's look forward. ;)
Quote from: GordonGekko80 on March 12, 2025, 10:42:39 AMI get it Ed, that's why I said "I get that he's a WR"... when I said that that's what I was referring to, positional value.
But the value Barkley brings to the table in terms of leadership has clearly been underestimated.
Anyways, we've discussed long enough and it's way past... So let's look forward. ;)
They saw an injury waiting to happen. I agree, they clearly underestimated his value. They needed to look no further than the % of #26 jerseys in the seats on Sunday. He should have been a NYG for life.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 12, 2025, 10:40:06 AMGordon,
The average top 5 WR Salary Cap Players- $27.43
RB- $11.82
The average top 5 WR Contracts- $129.6, Slayton ranks- #29 at $36.0 MM
RB- $41.04, Barkley ranks- #3 $41.2 MM
The positional value of WR is 3 times higher for a contract. Yet, Barkley's contract with the Eagles has $14 million more in guaranteed money than Slayton. His average salary is $8.6 million higher than Slayton.
It doesn't matter what they were offered by the Giants. It's what the market valued them at. The price the Giants offered Barkley would be ranked at #5. He left for $5.1 million dollars more.
There are 32 teams in the NFL. Are you saying that Slayton is a low end #1 receiver? Even if you take away the receivers in rookie deals who wouldn't factor in these rankings is Slayton a high end #2 receiver? No way. He's the #3 receiver on a team that can't complete passes over 10 yards.
Quote from: TDToomer on March 12, 2025, 09:36:07 AMOn what planet are these the stats of a $12MM per year receiver?
Season Age Team Lg Pos G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD
2023 26 NYG NFL WR 17 13 79 50 770 15.4 4
2024 27 NYG NFL WR 16 13 71 39 573 14.7 2
The cap has gone up significantly and WR3s are making 10 to 12 million a year. 1340 yards on 89 Receptions by 3rd string qbs.
13 million a year
Gabe Davis, Darnell Mooney, Josh Palmer
12 million-10 million
Tutu Atwell
Dyami Brown
Jakobi Meyers
Allen Lazard
Slayton is likely better than all those guys and is either paid less or right at what they are getting paid. Slayton has more yards the past two seasons than Christian Kirk with 3rd string qbs and Kirk is making 18 year. Mid wr2 and wr3s are getting paid, listen to the talking Giants guys latest episode, they think we got Slayton for less than market value.
Quote from: GordonGekko80 on March 12, 2025, 09:58:29 AMI get that he's a WR... I get that he's had good stats last year.
But we didn't sing Barkley for 36mm and now did it for Slayton.
Sorry but I don't get that.
Slaytons deal is basically 2 yr 22-24 million as he only has 22 million in guarentees. So the contract while it looks similar to saquan, is in reality completely different and Slayton is making significantly less.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 12, 2025, 01:07:33 PMThe cap has gone up significantly and WR3s are making 10 to 12 million a year. 1340 yards on 89 Receptions by 3rd string qbs.
13 million a year
Gabe Davis, Darnell Mooney, Josh Palmer
12 million-10 million
Tutu Atwell
Dyami Brown
Jakobi Meyers
Allen Lazard
Slayton is likely better than all those guys and is either paid less or right at what they are getting paid. Slayton has more yards the past two seasons than Christian Kirk with 3rd string qbs and Kirk is making 18 year. Mid wr2 and wr3s are getting paid, listen to the talking Giants guys latest episode, they think we got Slayton for less than market value.
Slayton is not better than Mooney who had a breakout season with 922 yards as the #2 receiver in Atlanta behind London.
Atwell is only on a 1 year deal and had the similar yards as Slaton who got 12MM more guaranteed
Kirk was a bust who was almost released but now I see the Texans traded for him.
Quote from: TDToomer on March 12, 2025, 01:17:43 PMSlayton is not better than Mooney who had a breakout season with 922 yards as the #2 receiver in Atlanta behind London.
Atwell is only on a 1 year deal and had the similar yards as Slaton who got 12MM more guaranteed
Kirk was a bust who was almost released but now I see the Texans traded for him.
I think the larger point - beyond comparing Slayton to any of those guys from a performance standpoint - is that all of those guys mentioned are in terrible contracts, as well.
I wouldn't trade for / sign any of those guys at those rates. Just because everyone else is paying subpar WR3 talent at those rates doesn't mean we need to. When a good GM sees a market inefficiency like that, that's when they need to pivot and fill those roles via cheap guys from the draft.
We could draft someone like Jalen Royals with our 3rd round comp pick to play that role for 1/10th the cost of Slayton. It's not like it would be hard to top Slayton's 3 TDs.
Quote from: TDToomer on March 12, 2025, 01:04:14 PMThere are 32 teams in the NFL. Are you saying that Slayton is a low end #1 receiver? Even if you take away the receivers in rookie deals who wouldn't factor in these rankings is Slayton a high end #2 receiver? No way. He's the #3 receiver on a team that can't complete passes over 10 yards.
I wasn't saying anything about his ranking. Remember that most all of those contracts were set in '24 and prior. He is where he is at this point, and I can see that dropping as new contracts are settled. I see him as a potential #2 Wideout on another team, but the reality is that the Slot Receiver will get a lot more looks in the Giants offense when the #1 is Nabors. He also runs deeper routes, and his Y/R was almost 15, but his Reception % is low because of the depth of targets. Personally, I think he was paid high for what he brings to the table with Nabors and the amount of checkdowns and flats that WDR gets.
But the point of the post was to illustrate the disparity in salaries between WRs and RBs at this point in time. I do see that gap closing somewhat as the league is becoming more in Running to the % mix. Big backs are the near term flavor of the day.
Quote from: TDToomer on March 11, 2025, 11:09:16 AMThe Giants have let plenty of players go besides SB. Gettleman got rid of every single Reese guy but Slayton. Schoen has done a slightly better job but you need to add Love and McKinney to this list.
Toomer - the defense never looked the same when we lost Love. Standup guy in locker room too. Well spoken. Should be a broadcaster when his career is done