Pats signed a QB today as a backup to Maye. They may think they can do better than the 6th round pick they used.
In the Pats last game Milton was 22-29 for around 270 yards and a TD. Kid seems to be developing. I'd certainly inquire. He may be better than anyone the Giants would draft at QB say with a 4th or 5th round pick. He's mobile. Ran a 4.62 40 at the Combine. Tall at like 6'4" and thick. Big arm.
Milton is definitely on the block. The patriots don't sign Josh Dobbs to a two year 8 million back up deal if you have Milton and his cheap contract already on site. Probably already have the makings of a trade depending on how the qb dominos fall.
https://x.com/Schultz_Report/status/1899265330649907500
Apparently he's not ready to start so he would replace Tommy DeVito, who is likely destined to be on the practice squad. Contrary to what his agent has claimed, there is no market for Tommy other than practice squad. With Milton at least there is upside to eventually backup the future franchise QB they draft.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 11, 2025, 12:06:46 AMApparently he's not ready to start so he would replace Tommy DeVito, who is likely destined to be on the practice squad. Contrary to what his agent has claimed, there is no market for Tommy other than practice squad. With Milton at least there is upside to eventually backup the future franchise QB they draft.
Or maybe start. He had a decent summer camp plus this final game at end of the season. He's a project. Has legit physical tools.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 11, 2025, 07:53:16 AMOr maybe start. He had a decent summer camp plus this final game at end of the season. He's a project. Has legit physical tools.
In lieu of drafting a QB?
https://x.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1900366462180561050
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 11, 2025, 08:01:34 AMIn lieu of drafting a QB?
Yes. He's got a year of NFL learning under his belt plus you probably get him for much less than drafting a top 3 QB.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 14, 2025, 12:49:36 PMhttps://x.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1900366462180561050
Thanks Rich for posting this. Would love to see the Giants step up with him. His arm is like John Elway's arm.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 14, 2025, 01:42:58 PMThanks Rich for posting this. Would love to see the Giants step up with him. His arm is like John Elway's arm.
I love his arm, but I am troubled as to why, with that arm, he was a backup for most of his long college career.
I cannot see a project QB being a priority for a FO and HC that are on the hot seat.
Further, why is he supposedly available? If there is real upside there, why wouldn't the Pats keep him at a cheap cost?
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 14, 2025, 01:49:43 PMI cannot see a project QB being a priority for a FO and HC that are on the hot seat.
Further, why is he supposedly available? If there is real upside there, why wouldn't the Pats keep him at a cheap cost?
Because they have Maye so trade a 6th rounder and pick up say a 3rd rounder.
This has a grasping at straws feel to it.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 14, 2025, 01:49:43 PMI cannot see a project QB being a priority for a FO and HC that are on the hot seat.
Further, why is he supposedly available? If there is real upside there, why wouldn't the Pats keep him at a cheap cost?
The Pats did sign Dobbs, for what it's worth
Quote from: Philosophers on March 14, 2025, 01:41:52 PMYes. He's got a year of NFL learning under his belt plus you probably get him for much less than drafting a top 3 QB.
I can see them signing Wilson or Flacco and bringing him in behind one of them.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 14, 2025, 01:55:00 PMThe Pats did sign Dobbs, for what it's worth
Quote from: Philosophers on March 14, 2025, 01:53:19 PMBecause they have Maye so trade a 6th rounder and pick up say a 3rd rounder.
I get they have Maye. I feel like with QBs if they felt there was really potential for him to develop they wouldn't be looking to trade him. With that arm the potential is pretty darn high.
I'm not interested in Milton. If he's available it's a flag in my mind. I also feel there is way more than arm strength that goes into it which is likely a reason Milton is on the block
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 14, 2025, 01:49:43 PMI cannot see a project QB being a priority for a FO and HC that are on the hot seat.
Further, why is he supposedly available? If there is real upside there, why wouldn't the Pats keep him at a cheap cost?
It is a Matt Schaub type situation more or less
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 14, 2025, 02:01:41 PMI get they have Maye. I feel like with QBs if they felt there was really potential for him to develop they wouldn't be looking to trade him. With that arm the potential is pretty darn high.
Quote from: Trench on March 14, 2025, 02:08:58 PMI'm not interested in Milton. If he's available it's a flag in my mind. I also feel there is way more than arm strength that goes into it which is likely a reason Milton is on the block
You can only have one QB on the field at a time, and they have a mid to high end veteran backup with experience, which is more ideal to have when you have a young QB like Maye, kinda like Mariota with Daniels.
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 14, 2025, 03:42:49 PMIt is a Matt Schaub type situation more or less
Going to have to look up the Matt Schaub's situation. I remember him but not what you are referencing.
Do you think someone would pluck him off the practice squad? Need be, if I had any real belief that he could fulfill a high percentage of his potential I would carry 3 QBs.
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 14, 2025, 03:44:25 PMYou can only have one QB on the field at a time, and they have a mid to high end veteran backup with experience, which is more ideal to have when you have a young QB like Maye, kinda like Mariota with Daniels.
I honestly fail to grasp the anxiety expressed across multiple threads regarding the available quarterbacks. None of the available QBs (e.g., Milton, Rodgers, Wilson, or Flacco) represent a long-term (or short-term) solution; they are merely stopgaps until the Giants can draft a quarterback with the requisite attributes to facilitate a perennial competitive team.
Quote from: kingm56 on March 14, 2025, 04:08:44 PMI honestly fail to grasp the anxiety expressed across multiple threads regarding the available quarterbacks. None of the available QBs (e.g., Milton, Rodgers, Wilson, or Flacco) represent a long-term (or short-term) solution; they are merely stopgaps until the Giants can draft a quarterback with the requisite attributes to facilitate a perennial competitive team.
I agree, I like Milton as a backup, but not a starter, at least not at this time. I would trade for him if it was a low cost pick, but with such a price you shouldn't be expecting a starting QB anyway. You have down the road potential at best.
He is available because he is a backup who a desperate team, or a QB needy team, may allow them to flip a 6th round project to a higher pick.
I think he has the tools to be successful, but he needs time, he is just too raw, and the odds if we are being realistic are against him.
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 14, 2025, 04:17:12 PMI agree, I like Milton as a backup, but not a starter, at least not at this time. I would trade for him if it was a low cost pick, but with such a price you shouldn't be expecting a starting QB anyway. You have down the road potential at best.
He is available because he is a backup who a desperate team, or a QB needy team, may allow them to flip a 6th round project to a higher pick.
I think he has the tools to be successful, but he needs time, he is just too raw, and the odds if we are being realistic are against him.
Completely agree, Gap.
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 14, 2025, 04:17:12 PMI agree, I like Milton as a backup, but not a starter, at least not at this time. I would trade for him if it was a low cost pick, but with such a price you shouldn't be expecting a starting QB anyway. You have down the road potential at best.
He is available because he is a backup who a desperate team, or a QB needy team, may allow them to flip a 6th round project to a higher pick.
I think he has the tools to be successful, but he needs time, he is just too raw, and the odds if we are being realistic are against him.
I don't understand this. He's a backup because he was a 6th round pick when a team spent the 3rd pick in the first round to draft another player. Nobody said Milton is ready to go now, but for a player who could not hit the sky to having played well in preseason to well in the last game of the season suggests to me he is developing. I'd take upward development any day when my team has as its sole QB Veal Cutlets.
Quote from: kingm56 on March 14, 2025, 04:08:44 PMI honestly fail to grasp the anxiety expressed across multiple threads regarding the available quarterbacks. None of the available QBs (e.g., Milton, Rodgers, Wilson, or Flacco) represent a long-term (or short-term) solution; they are merely stopgaps until the Giants can draft a quarterback with the requisite attributes to facilitate a perennial competitive team.
I agree Matt. It really isn't important at all insofar as the team's medium to longer term trajectory. It is really not something to fret over.
My preference with any of these guys is to not be financially committed (at all if possible) beyond 2025. If we absolutely have to hand out a multi-year deal, it should be a two year, with a very easy, low-pain out after one year. I don't want meaningful dead cap in 2026 with any of these guys. Preferably none. In my opinion, if there is any reason for anxiety over any of this, it would be over this issue.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 14, 2025, 01:44:46 PMI love his arm, but I am troubled as to why, with that arm, he was a backup for most of his long college career.
He was a fantastic prospect with a once in a generation arm. Unfortunately, several years later, he still is.
https://x.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1901687000161296484
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 17, 2025, 01:30:15 PMhttps://x.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1901687000161296484
The late 3rd round comp pick for Milton would be awfully tempting. Especially if either the 1st round of the draft or FA doesn't go the way the Giants want it to.
How is a 3rd rounder for a QB who went through an NFL preseason and played well in an NFL game not worth trading versus drafting a college QB in 3rd round who has not played yet in NFL and of which none have the arm Milton has?
The near post free agency period prior to the Draft is when the Pats can ask for a 3rd round pick. Once the Draft begins and QB needy teams like the Giants see QB options appear, the Pats demand will likely have to come down if they want to move him.
Sure feels to me everywhere in their Qb search, the Giants are sticking to what they are willing to pay and structure. Makes me think they feel their futurebQB is in this Draft and they can get him.
Not for nothing but the Giants passed on him in the 6th round taking the LB Muasau. I doubt very much that a game in what was probably garbage time would change their thinking into a 3rd round pick
Quote from: nb587 on March 18, 2025, 07:48:15 PMNot for nothing but the Giants passed on him in the 6th round taking the LB Muasau. I doubt very much that a game in what was probably garbage time would change their thinking into a 3rd round pick
Yes they passed on Milton but teams, especially in late rounds, make mistakes all the time. You don't think they'd reconsider it?
Quote from: Philosophers on March 19, 2025, 06:42:46 AMYes they passed on Milton but teams, especially in late rounds, make mistakes all the time. You don't think they'd reconsider it?
I agree. Same feel for the OG that we passed on in the 6th round and KC took in another year. I'm sure they regret those & many more. I just think that they won't give up a 3 for Milton
Quote from: nb587 on March 19, 2025, 10:27:15 AMI agree. Same feel for the OG that we passed on in the 6th round and KC took in another year. I'm sure they regret those & many more. I just think that they won't give up a 3 for Milton
You may be right. Actually you are probably right.
Trey Smith the Guard still pisses me off. A darn good starter for a 6th?
Quote from: Philosophers on March 19, 2025, 06:42:46 AMYes they passed on Milton but teams, especially in late rounds, make mistakes all the time. You don't think they'd reconsider it?
Does Joe Schoen (or Daboll) strike you as guys who are quick to admit a mistake?
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 19, 2025, 11:32:30 AMDoes Joe Schoen (or Daboll) strike you as guys who are quick to admit a mistake?
Still waiting for them to admit it for Evan Neal.
Can you name a GM or coach who admitted they made a mistake drafting a player who was still on the team?
Whether it Joe Milton, Kirk Cousins or Elmer Fudd, this team cannot afford to give up draft picks . So, sign Flacco, Winston , Wilson or even Rodgers where we do not have to give up draft picks . Certainly , DO NOT GIVE UP DRAFT PICKS TO MOVE UP TO NUMBER 1 !!! ( Emphasis added )
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on March 20, 2025, 08:29:17 AMWhether it Joe Milton, Kirk Cousins or Elmer Fudd, this team cannot afford to give up draft picks . So, sign Flacco, Winston , Wilson or even Rodgers where we do not have to give up draft picks . Certainly , DO NOT GIVE UP DRAFT PICKS TO MOVE UP TO NUMBER 1 !!! ( Emphasis added )
Exactly. Drafting a QB is giving up 1 pick unless Giants trade up which almost everyone here does not want. Trade for Milton and give up exactly 1 pick. Same thing. Now you have a QB with some NFL experience for a 3rd round pick or maybe a 4th round pick. Now you have rest of the Draft to build talent on team. Imagine this:
Round 1 - Travis Hunter - WR/CB
Round 2 - Donovan Jackson - G
Round 3 - Darius Alexander - DT
Round 3 - Traded for Joe Milton - QB
Round 4 - Ozzy Trapilo - OT
Round 5 - Jordan Phillips - DT/NT
After the trade for Milton, with a draft like above, you fortified your WR corps with two WR1 options, a much better OL with 1 and possibly 2 starters and pushed a starter down for depth, gotten your 3 tech DT who dominated at Senior Bowl plus a developmental NT in Phillips to be behind Dex.
No extra draft picks used. If Milton does not successfully develop, you have a much better OL and weapons for a new QB such as a pick in 2026 draft.