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Title: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: andrew_nyGiants on March 11, 2025, 08:08:14 AM
formerly of the Dolphins per Adam Schefter ESPN
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Trench on March 11, 2025, 08:11:31 AM
I don't know much about him. Is he better than McKinney?....what about Julian Love?
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Ed Vette on March 11, 2025, 08:17:07 AM
3 year 45 million
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: andrew_nyGiants on March 11, 2025, 08:17:23 AM
I saw some highlights, he's looks long, fluid, and has a nose for the ball....in those highlights. Other than that, your guess is as good as mine.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: MrGap92 on March 11, 2025, 08:20:38 AM
I like this, did not think he would be on their radar
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: andrew_nyGiants on March 11, 2025, 08:22:51 AM
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 11, 2025, 08:17:07 AM3 year 45 million

Ed, I wonder how the $$$ compares to what the Packers spent on McKinney.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Philosophers on March 11, 2025, 08:24:17 AM
Are we just signing a bunch of backups?
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Doc16LT56 on March 11, 2025, 08:27:28 AM
He's a good, potentially very good, player coming off a somewhat down year. Still don't understand the logic of paying up for Holland and Slayton while letting Barkley and McKinney walk.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: EDjohnst1981 on March 11, 2025, 08:27:42 AM
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 11, 2025, 08:22:51 AMEd, I wonder how the $$$ compares to what the Packers spent on McKinney.

https://x.com/dduggan21/status/1899433693430595922?s=46&t=AA9Ptl-VPYK0JnuHE-oAWA
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Ed Vette on March 11, 2025, 08:29:13 AM
He was the third-best Safety in the league in 2023, and last season, he took a nosedive. Versatile and can play deep, Box and Slot.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: MrGap92 on March 11, 2025, 08:33:11 AM
Quote from: Philosophers on March 11, 2025, 08:24:17 AMAre we just signing a bunch of backups?

In what world is Jevon Holland a backup?
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Ed Vette on March 11, 2025, 08:34:20 AM
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 11, 2025, 08:22:51 AMEd, I wonder how the $$$ compares to what the Packers spent on McKinney.
McKinney was 4 years, 67 million, and 23MM Guaranteed. His cap hit jumps to 22.5MM his last year.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: TDToomer on March 11, 2025, 08:47:47 AM
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 11, 2025, 08:29:13 AMHe was the third-best Corner in the league in 2023, and last season, he took a nosedive. Versatile and can play deep, Box and Slot.

So he moved to safety in 2024?

I am losing my hair with this signing. Why the hell did he let Love and McKinney walk and is now spending somewhere right in the middle for Holland?

What happened to "Safetey isn't a $$ priority"?
What happened to "Giants don't prioritize the Safety position" defense?

Schoen has more egg on his face than Daffy Duck.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Ed Vette on March 11, 2025, 08:50:55 AM
Quote from: TDToomer on March 11, 2025, 08:47:47 AMSo he moved to safety in 2024?

I am losing my hair with this signing. Why the hell did he let Love and McKinney walk and is now spending somewhere right in the middle for Holland?

What happened to "Safetey isn't a $$ priority"?
What happened to "Giants don't prioritize the Safety position" defense?

Schoen has more egg on his face than Daffy Duck.
I meant Safety, oops! I'll fix
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: uconnjack8 on March 11, 2025, 08:54:08 AM
So he played well under Fangio, helped run him out of town and then was not as good with his new DC

https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/dolphins-jevon-holland-praises-new-dc-anthony-weaver-shades-vic-fangio

Hopefully he returns to 2023 form
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Philosophers on March 11, 2025, 08:55:14 AM
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 11, 2025, 08:33:11 AMIn what world is Jevon Holland a backup?

Because in 2024 he sucked at safety plus we already drafted Tyler Nubin last year in round 2 and if safety is really so bad we can sign Malachi Moore from Alabama in round 5 and he would start.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Stringer Bell on March 11, 2025, 08:57:25 AM
Quote from: Philosophers on March 11, 2025, 08:24:17 AMAre we just signing a bunch of backups?

Holland has been a starter his entire career and instantly becomes the best safety on our roster, so not sure where you're getting information that he's a backup. Not to mention, he was the top safety available in free agency.

I don't love the money, but I'm a big fan of Holland's and he's been on my radar since his college days.

I still see Banks as a major weak spot, but with Holland and Adebo, our secondary should be vastly improved. If Phillips can continue to progress and Nubin can improve, this could be a very strong unit.

Priority in draft should be guys who can stop the run - DL and ILB.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: EDjohnst1981 on March 11, 2025, 08:59:24 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 11, 2025, 08:57:25 AMHolland has been a starter his entire career and instantly becomes the best safety on our roster, so not sure where you're getting information that he's a backup. Not to mention, he was the top safety available in free agency.

I don't love the money, but I'm a big fan of Holland's and he's been on my radar since his college days.

I still see Banks as a major weak spot, but with Holland and Adebo, our secondary should be vastly improved. If Phillips can continue to progress and Nubin can improve, this could be a very strong unit.

Priority in draft should be guys who can stop the run - DL and ILB.

Which in turn makes the DL better, it's clearly been a position of need.

I'm just struggling with the decisions to let McKinney and Barkley out the door to splurge that money on this guy and Slayton.

Still, I'm happy to see how it plays out. I'm just a little confused by the mission.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Ed Vette on March 11, 2025, 09:03:11 AM
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on March 11, 2025, 08:59:24 AMWhich in turn makes the DL better, it's clearly been a position of need.

I'm just struggling with the decisions to let McKinney and Barkley out the door to splurge that money on this guy and Slayton.

Still, I'm happy to see how it plays out. I'm just a little confused by the mission.
I think Schoen knows he screwed up with Barkley and at the time he couldn't afford McK.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: MrGap92 on March 11, 2025, 09:04:45 AM
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on March 11, 2025, 08:59:24 AMWhich in turn makes the DL better, it's clearly been a position of need.

I'm just struggling with the decisions to let McKinney and Barkley out the door to splurge that money on this guy and Slayton.

Still, I'm happy to see how it plays out. I'm just a little confused by the mission.

I'm OK with the safety swap, but I agree, they could have probably kept Saquon. Don't sign Singletary and someone else , restructure or move some stuff around, it could have been done.

Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: EDjohnst1981 on March 11, 2025, 09:04:54 AM
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 11, 2025, 09:03:11 AMI think Schoen knows he screwed up with Barkley and at the time he couldn't afford McK.

Yes, maybe.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Puffy on March 11, 2025, 09:06:11 AM
Jevon Holland is a step below stud level.  So was McKinney until he left Giants.  In short, Holland can take leap to stud level very easily in Bowen's system.


Wasn't a fan of re-signing Slayton but this signing makes up for that.  Holland and Adebo just improved the back end of Giants D tremendously.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: killarich on March 11, 2025, 09:07:09 AM
He's better than Pinnock obviously

But one thing we will miss is when Pinnock was asked to blitz ..... he's no doubt the best safety in the league at getting into the backfield
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: MightyGiants on March 11, 2025, 09:11:02 AM
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1899445070211777006
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: MightyGiants on March 11, 2025, 09:12:30 AM
https://x.com/Doug_Analytics/status/1899444880981549338
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: SlotCorner on March 11, 2025, 09:51:24 AM
Wait, is the secondary a strength now? If Banks can get his head in straight you've got three decent corners, a 2nd year guy in Nubin that is really good and now the best safety in FA.

Helps the pass rush too. We need at least one DT in the draft but the defense has some players.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: MightyGiants on March 11, 2025, 10:04:07 AM
https://x.com/nickfalato/status/1899461104780050624


https://x.com/nickfalato/status/1899461456799695319
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2025, 10:10:57 AM
Jevon Holland is an elite top 10 safety.
6'1″ and weighing 205 pounds, the 25yr old was a second round pick of the 2021 draft. In 60 games (57 starts) Holland has recorded 301 tackles (including 9 for loss), 5.0 sacks, 10 quarterback pressures, 5 forced fumbles, 4 recoveries, 5 interceptions, 25 pass breakups, and even scored a defensive touchdown. He had a down year, but had an elite 90.4 grade in 2023 and has been a top 5-8 safety since he step foot in the league.

Our dline now has depth and has the potential to be elite. Then you add in Adebo, Phillips, and Banks as #2, then Holland/Nubin on the backend and our secondary has been completely transformed to pair with the dline. Bowens defense always does better with elite safety play. Most thought Holland was going to sign a 4yr 80 million dollar deal, so to get him for what amounts to 3yr 45 million with only 30 million guarenteed is a steal.

Big difference in the players added this free agency is that they play the ball at a level. They Turnover the ball at a high clip. Between Adebo and Holland they have 15int, 68pd, 7FF, 6FR, 5 sacks, 16tfls.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: sooners56 on March 11, 2025, 11:09:48 AM
I wanted him in FA and am happy the Giants picked him up. Excellent!
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: uconnjack8 on March 11, 2025, 11:28:34 AM
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2025, 10:10:57 AMJevon Holland is an elite top 10 safety.
6'1″ and weighing 205 pounds, the 25yr old was a second round pick of the 2021 draft. In 60 games (57 starts) Holland has recorded 301 tackles (including 9 for loss), 5.0 sacks, 10 quarterback pressures, 5 forced fumbles, 4 recoveries, 5 interceptions, 25 pass breakups, and even scored a defensive touchdown. He had a down year, but had an elite 90.4 grade in 2023 and has been a top 5-8 safety since he step foot in the league.

Our dline now has depth and has the potential to be elite. Then you add in Adebo, Phillips, and Banks as #2, then Holland/Nubin on the backend and our secondary has been completely transformed to pair with the dline. Bowens defense always does better with elite safety play. Most thought Holland was going to sign a 4yr 80 million dollar deal, so to get him for what amounts to 3yr 45 million with only 30 million guarenteed is a steal.

Big difference in the players added this free agency is that they play the ball at a level. They Turnover the ball at a high clip. Between Adebo and Holland they have 15int, 68pd, 7FF, 6FR, 5 sacks, 16tfls.

What did I miss, what depth does the DL have now?
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2025, 12:51:16 PM
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 11, 2025, 11:28:34 AMWhat did I miss, what depth does the DL have now?
They signed a DE/DT in Golson and DT Roy-Robertson-Harris, that's the depth now.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Sem on March 11, 2025, 12:55:25 PM
Plus, I predict they'll be drafting a DT by the end of day 2.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: MightyGiants on March 11, 2025, 02:11:45 PM

Next Gen Stats

@NextGenStats
Jevon Holland allowed a 57.1% completion percentage when targeted last season, 10th-lowest among safeties who faced at least 30 targets.

Holland also held opposing quarterbacks to a -11.7% completion percentage over expected when targeted, 4th-lowest among safeties.

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 | #NYGiants


https://x.com/NextGenStats/status/1899523235949297810
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: MightyGiants on March 11, 2025, 02:17:28 PM
https://x.com/NYPost_Schwartz/status/1899523747217871205
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: EDjohnst1981 on March 11, 2025, 02:23:12 PM
I guess this lad didn't hear Toomer comment then.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2025, 03:14:02 PM
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on March 11, 2025, 02:23:12 PMI guess this lad didn't hear Toomer comment then.
I bet Toomer gets the cold shoulder at the stadium moving forward.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: MightyGiants on March 11, 2025, 03:20:57 PM
https://x.com/Patricia_Traina/status/1899534400276103592
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2025, 03:35:23 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 11, 2025, 03:20:57 PMhttps://x.com/Patricia_Traina/status/1899534400276103592
Still confused why people aren't over the moon with this signing. If him and Mckinney were both FA they get the same money, and a year later we get him for 23 million less than Mckinney.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: MightyGiants on March 11, 2025, 03:37:15 PM
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2025, 03:35:23 PMStill confused why people aren't over the moon with this signing. If him and Mckinney were both FA they get the same money, and a year later we get him for 23 million less than Mckinney.

Jess,

He had a bit of a down year, last season.  I suspect that might be what is dampening enthusiasm.

The NYG defensive secondary looks much improved over last season, at least on paper.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2025, 04:11:30 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 11, 2025, 03:37:15 PMJess,

He had a bit of a down year, last season.  I suspect that might be what is dampening enthusiasm.

The NYG defensive secondary looks much improved over last season, at least on paper.
I get that completely but so did Mckinney in 2022. I think the reason for his dip was the change in DC to fangio. Safeties flash in Bowens defense, so I could easily go back to his top 5 ways immediately. I mean guy is one season removed from a 90 pff grade which is bonkers, and confuses me as to why there isn't more excitement for him and adebo.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2025, 05:15:13 PM
Just looked up why Holland had a down year and he played injured most of the year.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: uconnjack8 on March 11, 2025, 05:22:02 PM
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2025, 04:11:30 PMI get that completely but so did Mckinney in 2022. I think the reason for his dip was the change in DC to fangio. Safeties flash in Bowens defense, so I could easily go back to his top 5 ways immediately. I mean guy is one season removed from a 90 pff grade which is bonkers, and confuses me as to why there isn't more excitement for him and adebo.

Finding it hard to be excited about defensive players given the state of the offense.  If at some point it looks like this team can score more than 15 pts/game I will probably be more optimistic
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: DaveBrown74 on March 11, 2025, 05:27:21 PM
Will this guy help against the run? Our run D has been an utter sieve for years now. No defense that is as inept as we are against the run can be a bona fide good D.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Woody on March 11, 2025, 05:38:42 PM
Daniel Jones signing with Colts


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Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Stringer Bell on March 11, 2025, 05:47:12 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 11, 2025, 05:27:21 PMWill this guy help against the run? Our run D has been an utter sieve for years now. No defense that is as inept as we are against the run can be a bona fide good D.

https://www.nfl.com/news/2025-nfl-free-agency-five-notable-players-who-should-stay-put-five-who-should-hit-open-market

"Holland didn't enjoy his best season in 2024, but he's still going to be one of the most highly coveted defensive players available, especially considering he's only turning 25 years old in March. A versatile back-end weapon who's always been stout against the run, Holland has a lot to offer in an NFL that is trending back to the ground game. It's time for this safety to test the market."
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: DaveBrown74 on March 11, 2025, 07:02:44 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 11, 2025, 05:47:12 PMhttps://www.nfl.com/news/2025-nfl-free-agency-five-notable-players-who-should-stay-put-five-who-should-hit-open-market

"Holland didn't enjoy his best season in 2024, but he's still going to be one of the most highly coveted defensive players available, especially considering he's only turning 25 years old in March. A versatile back-end weapon who's always been stout against the run, Holland has a lot to offer in an NFL that is trending back to the ground game. It's time for this safety to test the market."

Good stuff. Thank you.
Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: Jclayton92 on March 12, 2025, 06:37:04 AM
The more I think about it the happier I am. Schoen basically traded in Mckinney for a 3rd rd pick, and a top 10 safety for 3 million a year less than Mckinneys deal.

Title: Re: Giants sign S Javon Holland
Post by: MightyGiants on March 12, 2025, 11:52:27 AM
https://x.com/nickfalato/status/1899850115793215857