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Title: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Gman329 on March 12, 2025, 07:27:04 AM
For cap purposes, the Jets had to wait for today to release Rodgers.  He'll sign, apparently with the Steelers soon thereafter - we think.  Then the Steelers release Wilson.  Once he's signed, then they get to the Minshews of the world. It all figures to happen in short order.  Is Wilson our QB by dinner time tonight?  Or maybe tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: SlotCorner on March 12, 2025, 07:53:22 AM
I don't think Rodgers is waiting for the Jets to cut him. The teams can always announce "agree to terms" if they can't sign yet.

I think Rodgers is waiting for the Steelers to increase their offer. If he hasn't signed yet with us I don't think he will. Then we make do with Russ.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Bob In PA on March 12, 2025, 08:53:41 AM
Quote from: Gman329 on March 12, 2025, 07:27:04 AMFor cap purposes, the Jets had to wait for today to release Rodgers.  He'll sign, apparently with the Steelers soon thereafter - we think.  Then the Steelers release Wilson.  Once he's signed, then they get to the Minshews of the world. It all figures to happen in short order.  Is Wilson our QB by dinner time tonight?  Or maybe tomorrow?

329: I've been on the fence about free-agent QB's, but I believe (based on almost no direct evidence) that Wilson will be a more capable and willing (and more "relatable") mentor for our rookie QB than Aaron Rodgers. Bob
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 12, 2025, 08:55:49 AM
The sense I get is that Rodgers and the Steelers are trying to get things done.  There seems to have been some sort of impasse where the Rodgers side put out hints of him becoming a Giant and the Steelers side put out hints they could turn to Russel Wilson.

One thing I heard this morning is that another potential suitor for Russell Wilson could be the Titans as their offense could be a good fit for him.


Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Stringer Bell on March 12, 2025, 09:21:23 AM
Potentially lost in all this is collusion between the Giants and Steelers.

This is something that I think happens far more than fans are privy to, especially when it involves franchises with long histories with each other, execs with deep connections, etc.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they're in cahoots and have discussed their plans with each other. It's not like they have much to lose if, say, they're both in on Rodgers. Colluding together could lower their price for him even in that scenario.

But in the scenario where Pitt is after Rodgers and the Giants are fine with Russ, by colluding they can just sit back and wait for their camps to cave. They'd have the benefit of knowing anything coming out about interest from the others is agent driven smoke.

This is all speculation, obviously. But again, I'm certain this type of thing happens.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Bob In PA on March 12, 2025, 09:26:07 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 12, 2025, 09:21:23 AMPotentially lost in all this is collusion between the Giants and Steelers.

This is all speculation, obviously. But again, I'm certain this type of thing happens.

Stringer: I thought I was the only one who believed that stuff, because several times I've suggested it indirectly and no one ever jumped in. The NFL is a monopoly, and the Steelers and Giants owners' families are related by marriage. I am as certain as you are about this, and it's something we'll never know because so few people are involved, but IMO it seems to tilt in favor of (and to the benefit of) the Steelers much more often than the other way around. Bob
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Trench on March 12, 2025, 09:27:02 AM
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 12, 2025, 08:53:41 AM329: I've been on the fence about free-agent QB's, but I believe (based on almost no direct evidence) that Wilson will be a more capable and willing (and more "relatable") mentor for our rookie QB than Aaron Rodgers. Bob

Bob,

Perhaps you're right but the one thing I'd add is Rodgers was an excellent mentor in GB to QB Love
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: katkavage on March 12, 2025, 09:29:05 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 12, 2025, 08:55:49 AMThe sense I get is that Rodgers and the Steelers are trying to get things done.  There seems to have been some sort of impasse where the Rodgers side put out hints of him becoming a Giant and the Steelers side put out hints they could turn to Russel Wilson.

One thing I heard this morning is that another potential suitor for Russell Wilson could be the Titans as their offense could be a good fit for him.



The Steelers made the playoffs last year with very poor offensive play. Rodgers and Metcalf and who knows who else can bring them back again to the playoffs. The Giants? Meh.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 12, 2025, 09:34:54 AM
Quote from: katkavage on March 12, 2025, 09:29:05 AMThe Steelers made the playoffs last year with very poor offensive play. Rodgers and Metcalf and who knows who else can bring them back again to the playoffs. The Giants? Meh.

No doubt, the Steelers are a more attractive team for Rodgers, compared to the Giants.  The only thing the Giants offer is that the team is close to his mansion in NJ, and the NYC area could be potentially lucrative for outside income should the Giants and Rodgers enjoy success.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: andrew_nyGiants on March 12, 2025, 09:39:49 AM
I wouldn't count on Wilson being the Giants default option if they can't get Rodgers.

There's no guarantee that he would choose the Giants. Especially with all the FA moves we've made and no starting OG to be found.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Bob In PA on March 12, 2025, 09:46:12 AM
Quote from: Trench on March 12, 2025, 09:27:02 AMBob,

Perhaps you're right but the one thing I'd add is Rodgers was an excellent mentor in GB to QB Love

Trench: I agree , but that's why I included being "relatable" (to a very young man) in my post. Bob
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 12, 2025, 09:52:27 AM
https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1899820362856018407
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 12, 2025, 10:19:51 AM
I thought this quote from PFT perfectly sums up the Rodgers/Steelers issue


As of Tuesday, it became obvious that the sticking point for Rodgers and the Steelers is money. They need each other. The gap suggests Rodgers believes the Steelers need Rodgers more than Rodgers needs the Steelers — and the Steelers believe Rodgers needs the Steelers more than the Steelers need Rodgers.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/aaron-rodgers-officially-becomes-a-free-agent-today-then-what
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 12, 2025, 10:20:40 AM
https://x.com/JoshNorris/status/1899825244132504061
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: H-Town G-Fan on March 12, 2025, 10:30:33 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 12, 2025, 10:19:51 AMI thought this quote from PFT perfectly sums up the Rodgers/Steelers issue


As of Tuesday, it became obvious that the sticking point for Rodgers and the Steelers is money. They need each other. The gap suggests Rodgers believes the Steelers need Rodgers more than Rodgers needs the Steelers — and the Steelers believe Rodgers needs the Steelers more than the Steelers need Rodgers.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/aaron-rodgers-officially-becomes-a-free-agent-today-then-what

I'd say the both need each other (the Steelers to actually have a chance at contention and Rodgers to be relevant)... Which means it likely gets done.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: londonblue on March 12, 2025, 10:35:22 AM
I hope Rodgers takes Pittsburgh and we choose a cheaper veteran than Wilson as the bridge. I am not averse to trading a day 3 pick this year or next to take a punt on a guy like Hooker or Milton.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Ed Vette on March 12, 2025, 10:56:01 AM
Rodgers has the better hand. Once he signs, Wilson's value drops. The Giants are waiting it out for both, but if Rodgers goes to the Steelers, then they figured they could get a better deal for Wilson. The downside of gambling is that another player comes into the game. If their preference was Rodgers, they had no choice but to wait it out. That appears to be the case. They want Rodgers.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Painter on March 12, 2025, 11:27:06 AM
Of course, what we think or want is of no consequence nor is our rationalizing whether sound or otherwise. If it a choice between Rodgers and Wilson I would prefer the latter, while hoping it to be neither.

I see little point in speculating on what may drive Joe Schoen's decision in the matter, whether the consequences are seen as good, bad or indifferent (see bad). What we should hope is that it isn't entirely about his, and Daboll's, job security.

In any event, short-term improvement, if such were to happen, may do little or nothing to benefit the future unless this year's Draft brings with it the QB of the future. And if not, any significant improvement this season might be a burden on future opportunity, which is a godawful way to look at things but nonetheless a reality in such a chance-influenced process. That, my friends, is why I never have and never will predict or project much of anything about the Giants future decision-making. It's a pleasure I leave to others while in no way lessening my rooting interest. In fact, I find it better that way; less ego deceiving.

Cheers!
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: SlotCorner on March 12, 2025, 11:46:22 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 12, 2025, 09:21:23 AMPotentially lost in all this is collusion between the Giants and Steelers.



The NFLPA used to make noise about this but everyone is making a ton of money so they shut up. Notice how the concussion thing is "fixed" too.

Especially in the case of these two teams, its more probable than not a Mara called a Rooney. One of their kids is named after the Steelers owners for goodness sake.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Gman329 on March 12, 2025, 12:34:59 PM
If it comes down to us and the Titans for Wilson, I like our chances.  Titans might even be a less desireable offense than us for a QB to step into and I think Russ would prefer NYC to Nashville. 
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Painter on March 12, 2025, 12:35:13 PM
Talk about projection and flights of fancy, some of you folks are worse than any of the media which you are always so quick to criticize for much the same reason. Yeezuskristofferson!
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 12, 2025, 12:37:12 PM
Interesting take on what all the QB hungry teams should do:


What I think the Quarterback hungry teams should do:

1. Pittsburgh Steelers

Smartest plan: Draft Jaxson Dart & sign Mason Rudolph

Next best: Trade for Joe Milton & sign Rudolph

Backup plans: Marcus Mariota, Trey Lance, trade for Anthony Richardson, draft Jalen Milroe or Quinn Ewers

2. New York Giants

Smartest plan: Do whatever it takes to get Cam Ward

Next best: Do whatever it takes to get Shedeur Sanders

Backup plan: Create a competition between Mariota & Jameis Winston

3. Tennessee Titans:

Smartest plan: Draft Cam Ward & trade Will Levis away

Next best: Draft Shedeur Sanders

Backup plan: Kirk Cousins & Mason Rudolph

4. Cleveland Browns:

Smartest plan: Draft Shedeur Sanders

Next best: Kirk Cousins & Trey Lance, go back in time and get rid of Kenny Pickett

Backup plan: Mariota & Joe Flacco

I do NOT think anyone should sign Aaron Rodgers.

I do NOT think anyone should sign Russell Wilson.

Both are bad ideas.

https://x.com/NFLFrascella/status/1899847805167907030
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: EDjohnst1981 on March 12, 2025, 12:46:07 PM
Aside from his grating personality and life choices - both of which are his to decide upon. What is the indifference to Rodgers?

The passing numbers, whilst the lowest of his career, were still better than we've seen since Eli. Why wouldn't a team want that?
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 12, 2025, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on March 12, 2025, 12:46:07 PMAside from his grating personality and life choices - both of which are his to decide upon. What is the indifference to Rodgers?

The passing numbers, whilst the lowest of his career, were still better than we've seen since Eli. Why wouldn't a team want that?

I think the most compelling argument against Rodgers is that the Jets opted to replace him with Fields.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 12, 2025, 02:13:57 PM
Welp, there goes one of my favorites


https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1899883117583679534
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: uconnjack8 on March 12, 2025, 02:57:48 PM
Tomlin and Rodgers would be an interesting personality combination.  Rodgers won't get to GM from the huddle in Pittsburgh. 

Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: babywhales on March 12, 2025, 03:03:06 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 12, 2025, 12:52:52 PMI think the most compelling argument against Rodgers is that the Jets opted to replace him with Fields.
to the tune of a 49 mill dead cap
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Ed Vette on March 12, 2025, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 12, 2025, 02:13:57 PMWelp, there goes one of my favorites


https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1899883117583679534
He should have checked with Larry first.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Giant Obsession on March 12, 2025, 03:25:08 PM
I think Earl Morrall is still available.

or may Don Strock
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Philosophers on March 12, 2025, 03:38:15 PM
So when Aaron Rodgers said, "Malik Nabers sounds great.  Who else do you have?"

Joe Schoen replied, "Now we cut to a commercial."

Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 12, 2025, 03:38:42 PM
https://x.com/ESPNNFL/status/1899899020702618086
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Trench on March 12, 2025, 03:43:51 PM
Quote from: Philosophers on March 12, 2025, 03:38:15 PMSo when Aaron Rodgers said, "Malik Nabers sounds great.  Who else do you have?"

Joe Schoen replied, "Now we cut to a commercial."



Honestly,

I think Rodgers would really help bring Theo to another level. It's one of my main reasons for wanting Rodgers is to see how Theo begins to turn into a star.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Ed Vette on March 12, 2025, 04:02:19 PM
Drew Lock is still available, right?

Does anyone think Rodgers would come here knowing the Giants are drafting a QB and have the #3 pick? Does anyone think he would accept a one year deal?

Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Ed Vette on March 12, 2025, 04:35:38 PM
Wilson will visit the Giants.

Then there is this too.
https://x.com/dmrussini/status/1899916785161298205?
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: uconnjack8 on March 12, 2025, 04:46:36 PM
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 12, 2025, 04:02:19 PMDrew Lock is still available, right?

Does anyone think Rodgers would come here knowing the Giants are drafting a QB and have the #3 pick? Does anyone think he would accept a one year deal?




I am really unsure.  He must in some ways realize at his age whatever team signs him will also be looking to the future.  At the same time he is looking to win now and for the Giants to be anything near competitive they need to use high picks on guys that are going to play day 1. 

Schoen and Daboll may not be able to afford to use the 3 on a QB if they want another year. 
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: londonblue on March 12, 2025, 04:55:04 PM
Aaron Rodgers always manages to make things about him and provoke drama. If the Giants really want an experienced 'name' guy and have any sense they will be on the phone to Wilson tonight saying: 'If you don't go to Cleveland we will give you a 2 year deal. You will start. We will draft a QB probably day 2 or 3. It will only be in R1 if one falls to us as we are not trading away assets that we can use to give you a better team. Come be the main man in the biggest media market in USA and prove you are better than Fields.'
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: katkavage on March 12, 2025, 05:05:40 PM
The Giants put themselves in this position. Desperate. I am writing off 2025 unless they get very very lucky with a rookie QB.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: EDjohnst1981 on March 12, 2025, 05:11:57 PM
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 12, 2025, 04:35:38 PMWilson will visit the Giants.

Then there is this too.
https://x.com/dmrussini/status/1899916785161298205?

Might explain why Jones wanted to leave.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 12, 2025, 05:48:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 12, 2025, 04:35:38 PMWilson will visit the Giants.

Then there is this too.
https://x.com/dmrussini/status/1899916785161298205?


https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1899913567194743260?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Ed Vette on March 12, 2025, 08:03:25 PM
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on March 12, 2025, 05:11:57 PMMight explain why Jones wanted to leave.
Like I said earlier. The Vikings are a win now team. Sauce even thinks it's a good match.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-star-says-aaron-rodgers-might-lead-the-nfl-in-every-stat-if-he-signs-with-this-team-in-2025-free-agency/amp/
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: DaveBrown74 on March 12, 2025, 08:46:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 12, 2025, 04:02:19 PManyone think Rodgers would come here knowing the Giants are drafting a QB and have the #3 pick?

He might, because no team would ever agree to the money Rodgers is still capable of commanding and then quickly put a rookie in over him. It just wouldn't happen, and Rodgers understands that. That team would look like the biggest fools in the history of the NFL spending that kind of money on bridge QB, and looking like the biggest fools in the history of the league is hard to do given some of the moves we've seen our team and other teams make just in just the last decade.

Any team that pays Rodgers' $35, $40m, or $45m price tag this year is going to have him in as long as he's healthy. Sure, maybe late in the season, if he's an absolute train wreck they'll put in the rookie, but if that happens he's done anyway and it won't matter at that point.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Trench on March 12, 2025, 08:59:37 PM
I'm kinda getting antsy not knowing by now who our QB will be.

 I wonder what's going on behind the scenes.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: uconnjack8 on March 12, 2025, 09:34:19 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 12, 2025, 08:46:47 PMHe might, because no team would ever agree to the money Rodgers is still capable of commanding and then quickly put a rookie in over him. It just wouldn't happen, and Rodgers understands that. That team would look like the biggest fools in the history of the NFL spending that kind of money on bridge QB, and looking like the biggest fools in the history of the league is hard to do given some of the moves we've seen our team and other teams make just in just the last decade.

Any team that pays Rodgers' $35, $40m, or $45m price tag this year is going to have him in as long as he's healthy. Sure, maybe late in the season, if he's an absolute train wreck they'll put in the rookie, but if that happens he's done anyway and it won't matter at that point.

Basically what the Falcons did last year right?  Gave Cousins a bunch of money and then ended up benching him late in the year.

Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: DaveBrown74 on March 12, 2025, 09:57:04 PM
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 12, 2025, 09:34:19 PMBasically what the Falcons did last year right?  Gave Cousins a bunch of money and then ended up benching him late in the year.



Yup. Pretty much that. He played 14 out of 17 games.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Ed Vette on March 12, 2025, 10:21:46 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 12, 2025, 08:46:47 PMHe might, because no team would ever agree to the money Rodgers is still capable of commanding and then quickly put a rookie in over him. It just wouldn't happen, and Rodgers understands that. That team would look like the biggest fools in the history of the NFL spending that kind of money on bridge QB, and looking like the biggest fools in the history of the league is hard to do given some of the moves we've seen our team and other teams make just in just the last decade.

Any team that pays Rodgers' $35, $40m, or $45m price tag this year is going to have him in as long as he's healthy. Sure, maybe late in the season, if he's an absolute train wreck they'll put in the rookie, but if that happens he's done anyway and it won't matter at that point.
I doubt Rodgers would agree to a one year contract at his age. This is his last hurrah.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Ed Vette on March 12, 2025, 10:23:46 PM
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 12, 2025, 10:21:46 PMI doubt Rodgers would agree to a one year contract at his age. This is his last hurrah.
With the Giants that is. I can see him accepting a two year with the Vikings and a chance for another ring.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Philosophers on March 12, 2025, 11:20:14 PM
If Gmen did not sign a "marquee" QB by now doubt they will.  Now it may be Pauly Wallnuts.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Ed Vette on March 13, 2025, 06:51:48 AM
Quote from: Philosophers on March 12, 2025, 11:20:14 PMIf Gmen did not sign a "marquee" QB by now doubt they will.  Now it may be Pauly Wallnuts.
It's the Aaron Rodgers effect. Why? Because he can.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: GordonGekko80 on March 13, 2025, 08:44:34 AM
I have a hunch that the Giants will remain empty handed in this QB Free Agency. Adding pressure to the Front Office even further.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 08:48:17 AM
I think Dan Duggan said it best:

As the hours tick by with the New York Giants awaiting word from a 41-year-old who quarterbacked a 5-12 team last season, there's an inescapable feeling that they picked a terrible time to be on the hunt for a QB savior.

Seems like Rodgers wants the Steelers (or the Vikings) and is using the Giants in the same manner as Stafford.

Wilson seems like a viable option (assuming the Browns don't sign him today) but based on what we saw and heard from last season, the best case is you get an older version of the 2022 Daniel Jones.

Failing all that, you are looking at Jamis Winston as the last QB standing (I understand Mac Jones is off the board now as well)

As for the draft.

All signs are now pointing to the Titans drafting Ward (they built up their O-line in free agency to protect him). 

That means the Giants are going to have to go with Sanders or Dart
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: killarich on March 13, 2025, 08:54:47 AM
Man if we miss on Rogers and Wilson that would be extremely depressing
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: EDjohnst1981 on March 13, 2025, 09:02:52 AM
After trading for Pickett, I don't see what's in Cleveland for Wilson?
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 09:08:47 AM
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on March 13, 2025, 09:02:52 AMAfter trading for Pickett, I don't see what's in Cleveland for Wilson?

The only other QB on the Brown's roster is the wounded Watson.  The starting job is there for the taking, should Wilson decide to sign.  The Browns don't have a lot of cap space, so I am not sure how much they can offer Wilson, but I since Wilson doesn't seem to be drawing strong interest, he needs to explore all options.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 09:21:21 AM
I thought it would be worthwhile comparing Rodgers and Wilson by my 3 favorite metrics (for 2024).  For a point of reference, I included DJ 2024:


PFF Grade

Rodgers: 77.8
Wilson: 79.5
DJ: 72.0

Pass Rating (92 is roughly average)

Rodgers: 90.5
Wilson: 95.6
DJ: 79.4

QBR  (60 is considered average)

Rodgers: 48.0
Wilson: 51.3
DJ: 47.8
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: TDToomer on March 13, 2025, 09:29:42 AM
Am I the only one here who would be horrified with Rodgers as our QB? He's too old and he flat out sucked last season.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Trench on March 13, 2025, 09:30:54 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 08:48:17 AMI think Dan Duggan said it best:

As the hours tick by with the New York Giants awaiting word from a 41-year-old who quarterbacked a 5-12 team last season, there's an inescapable feeling that they picked a terrible time to be on the hunt for a QB savior.

Seems like Rodgers wants the Steelers (or the Vikings) and is using the Giants in the same manner as Stafford.

Wilson seems like a viable option (assuming the Browns don't sign him today) but based on what we saw and heard from last season, the best case is you get an older version of the 2022 Daniel Jones.

Failing all that, you are looking at Jamis Winston as the last QB standing (I understand Mac Jones is off the board now as well)

As for the draft.

All signs are now pointing to the Titans drafting Ward (they built up their O-line in free agency to protect him). 

That means the Giants are going to have to go with Sanders or Dart

I laugh at the 41 yrs old 5-12 team comment by duggan. Last year he probably had the Jets going to the Super Bowl like most did. The NFL is strange. One or two breaks early and you're off to the races.

I believe if the Giants get Rodgers, nobody will want to face us and he will light it up with Theo and Nabers and WanDale will probably be playing for a contract so it will be exciting. Not to mention, our Oline was very good early in season.

That said, you are what your record says you are.

But....we can hope. I hope for Rodgers
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 09:31:46 AM
Quote from: TDToomer on March 13, 2025, 09:29:42 AMAm I the only one here who would be horrified with Rodgers as our QB? He's too old and he flat out sucked last season.

and he's another year older with perhaps a lesser offensive cast.

Reasons to believe he might get better

Jets were dysfunctional which made it harder to perform

Rodgers, one year removed from an injury that often takes two years to fully recover from.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 09:33:53 AM
Quote from: Trench on March 13, 2025, 09:30:54 AMI laugh at the 41 yrs old 5-12 team comment by duggan. Last year he probably had the Jets going to the Super Bowl like most did. The NFL is strange. One or two breaks early and you're off to the races.

I believe if the Giants get Rodgers, nobody will want to face us and he will light it up with Theo and Nabers and WanDale will probably be playing for a contract so it will be exciting. Not to mention, our Oline was very good early in season.

That said, you are what your record says you are.

But....we can hope. I hope for Rodgers

I think it was 2023 when teams thought the addition of Rodgers was what the Jets needed to be Super Bowl contender.  That belief ended 6 plays into the season.

I don't think teams were nearly as high on the Jets in 2024 as Rodgers was another year older, the Jets didn't seem quite as talented, and the injury Rodgers had suffered (an Achilles) is a tough one to recover from, especially at his age.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Bob In PA on March 13, 2025, 09:36:32 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 09:21:21 AMI thought it would be worthwhile comparing Rodgers and Wilson by my 3 favorite metrics (for 2024).  For a point of reference, I included DJ 2024:


PFF Grade

Rodgers: 77.8
Wilson: 79.5
DJ: 72.0

Pass Rating (92 is roughly average)

Rodgers: 90.5
Wilson: 95.6
DJ: 79.4

QBR  (60 is considered average)

Rodgers: 48.0
Wilson: 51.3
DJ: 47.8

Rich: I appreciate making the comparison, but one guy was on a good team and the other was on the Jets. Bob
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Trench on March 13, 2025, 09:38:45 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 09:33:53 AMI think it was 2023 when teams thought the addition of Rodgers was what the Jets needed to be Super Bowl contender.  That belief ended 6 plays into the season.

I don't think teams were nearly as high on the Jets in 2024 as Rodgers was another year older, the Jets didn't seem quite as talented, and the injury Rodgers had suffered (an Achilles) is a tough one to recover from, especially at his age.

You are right. I lumped his injury year into last season.

That said, I saw a lot of good things with Rodgers last year. Also saw a lot I didn't like (checkdowns). But I do believe he would have a chip on his shoulder and what a sports story it would be to have success with the Giants. I think there is a lot to like with Daboll, Tracy, Nabers, Oline.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 09:44:51 AM
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 13, 2025, 09:36:32 AMRich: I appreciate making the comparison, but one guy was on a good team and the other was on the Jets. Bob


Considering the lack of additions, to date, on the Giants' offense, I am thinking NYG is closer to the Jets (talent wise) than the Steelers.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Trench on March 13, 2025, 09:53:23 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 09:44:51 AMConsidering the lack of additions, to date, on the Giants' offense, I am thinking NYG is closer to the Jets (talent wise) than the Steelers.

I disagree. I think Theo, Bellinger, Slayton and even Hyatt will be better utilized by Rodgers. Jones threw the worst deep ball I've ever seen and Rodgers throws one of the best - that translates for Hyatt. And Tracy is very good in the checkdowns.

I know we do have weapons. But my post is to articulate our 2nd tier has potential to flourish with Rodgers because he's that much better than Jones and Devito/Lock
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: andrew_nyGiants on March 13, 2025, 09:59:44 AM
If I were Schoen/Daboll I would interpret Aarod taking his sweet time to make his choice of two flagship franchises thirsty for a starter so that they can continue their respective reloads as just another sign that you're getting the Jets "all about me" version of Aarod, not the Packers version.

What does Schoen like to say? Never shop hungry? We look like we're starving right now.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 10:32:45 AM
https://x.com/GetUpESPN/status/1900162372020453596
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 10:34:09 AM
I think this is a good fit.  I think Mac's skill set is similar to Purdy's

https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1900001913254351266
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: H-Town G-Fan on March 13, 2025, 10:35:57 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 10:32:45 AMhttps://x.com/GetUpESPN/status/1900162372020453596

Ah yes, because the Cleveland Browns have such a storied history of successful QBs in recent years. That will assuredly be the difference in the discussion.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 10:38:46 AM
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on March 13, 2025, 10:35:57 AMAh yes, because the Cleveland Browns have such a storied history of successful QBs in recent years. That will assuredly be the difference in the discussion.

How often do sales pitches count on people not thinking things through?
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Trench on March 13, 2025, 10:47:09 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 10:38:46 AMHow often do sales pitches count on people not thinking things through?

Sales pitch to Rodgers/Wilson:

Come to NY, a struggling organization for awhile albeit a team with an offensive coach and legit weapons. What better way to put a stamp in a Hall of Fame career than to WIN in NY when nobody else ever could as a senior QB (and everyone knows how difficult it is to do).

In essence (take a page out of Rick Pitino sales pitch):

"Come and do your thing under the bright lights of the media capital of the world"
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Just_jimmy on March 13, 2025, 11:02:43 AM
But, at least we won that single, pointless game and lost the first pick...

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Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 11:12:43 AM
https://x.com/DKNetwork/status/1900200420384842068
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 11:15:35 AM
https://x.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1900203799592993039
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 11:24:48 AM
QuoteIt wasn't a surprise that the Raiders officially released quarterback Gardner Minshew on Wednesday.

But there was something notable about the move on the transaction wire.

Las Vegas released Minshew with a failed physical designation.

Minshew, 28, suffered a fractured collarbone during Las Vegas' Week 12 loss to Denver and was sidelined for the rest of the season. The failed physical designation indicates that either Minsherw's collarbone has not healed or there was another injury the quarterback is dealing with.

Based on the failed physical, it could be a bit before Minshew is cleared to sign with a new team.


https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/raiders-released-gardner-minshew-with-failed-physical-designation
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: H-Town G-Fan on March 13, 2025, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 10:38:46 AMHow often do sales pitches count on people not thinking things through?

He's not hawking snake oil or Shamwows, but a starting QB position in the NFL.

Plenty of reasons to choose the Browns over the Giants... but the argument that the Giants don't have a history of success since Eli at the QB when the Browns have been a known joke in that department for decades (and ditched the only decent one they had in Baker Mayfield) doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 11:43:21 AM
A former GM's take on the various QB moves to date

https://www.the33rdteam.com/nfl-2025-qb-moves-rankings/
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Trench on March 13, 2025, 12:04:24 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 11:15:35 AMhttps://x.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1900203799592993039

Interesting 1st sentence!

"The Steelers remain in the mix for Rodgers..."

How does he know?...and it's interesting that was his 1st sentence
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 03:13:38 PM
https://x.com/marykaycabot/status/1900255757183930678?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 03:20:10 PM
https://x.com/profootballtalk/status/1900249465321029755?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: killarich on March 13, 2025, 04:16:07 PM
I wanted Aaron Rodgers, but this wait (pointless) is pissing me off

If he doesn't make a decision by the time Russ leaves the building then offer Russ whatever it takes for him to pick us over the Browns .....

Arod stop being a **** .... make a decision
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Gman329 on March 13, 2025, 04:30:25 PM
Quote from: killarich on March 13, 2025, 04:16:07 PMI wanted Aaron Rodgers, but this wait (pointless) is pissing me off

If he doesn't make a decision by the time Russ leaves the building then offer Russ whatever it takes for him to pick us over the Browns .....

Arod stop being a **** .... make a decision

Really, what else should we expect from this ahole?  He's had plenty of time to think about it but he's gotta make sure he's the center of attention, so he waits.  It's ALWAYS all about him. 
I'd sign Russ Wilson in a heartbeat tomorrow.
 
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Trench on March 13, 2025, 04:39:37 PM
Quote from: Gman329 on March 13, 2025, 04:30:25 PMReally, what else should we expect from this ahole?  He's had plenty of time to think about it but he's gotta make sure he's the center of attention, so he waits.  It's ALWAYS all about him. 
I'd sign Russ Wilson in a heartbeat tomorrow.
 

I'm beginning to lean that way myself
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: MightyGiants on March 13, 2025, 07:54:49 PM
https://x.com/rosstuckerpod/status/1900181301195317611?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Title: Re: The Remaining QB Dominos Should Start To Fall Today
Post by: Jclayton92 on March 13, 2025, 09:23:15 PM
So would we be signing russ to a minimum agreement because he's still making money from Denver or was that a 1 time thing last year?