And will be signing shortly with the giants
Quote from: Section 101 Steve on March 13, 2025, 07:52:32 PMAnd will be signing shortly with the giants
Do you have a link?
IMHO he is the best short term answer. Rodgers has a different opinion of where he is in his career and likely wouldn't react well to having a first round pick waiting in the wings. Wilson on the other hand started the season on the bench and never complained. He just went about his business and played well when they finally gave him a chance.
2025 is a transition year. They won't win much with or without Wilson. But if they draft a QB with potential (which they should have done a year ago) then there will be hope. The big "if" is the QB they draft, most likely Ward or Sanders, long shot Dart or Milroe. Drafting a QB who can show he might have franchise ability keeps the terrible tandem of Schoen and Daboll around longer. We shall see.
Quote from: katkavage on March 14, 2025, 07:03:57 AM2025 is a transition year. They won't win much with or without Wilson. But if they draft a QB with potential (which they should have done a year ago) then there will be hope. The big "if" is the QB they draft, most likely Ward or Sanders, long shot Dart or Milroe. Drafting a QB who can show he might have franchise ability keeps the terrible tandem of Schoen and Daboll around longer. We shall see.
It may be my blind hope .... But last season when the defense was healthy we were in A lot of the games ...... I think our defense is way more well rounded now .... And this is without the draft .... I think if we get another DT next to sexy dexy we may have top 5 defense in the league
Now you get Rodgers ...... maybe even kind of Wilson aka a competent qb ... even post prime we can def win some more games with a more experienced Nabers , Tracy and Theo
Sign Wilson then keep adding talent everywhere we can. Sooner or later we will have enough to win. Draft the best player available at 3 irrespective of position even if that leaves us chasing a QB day 2 or 3. Schoen has shown some patience so far in FA. He needs to do the same in the draft. No hocking the future to reach for a "maybe" QB at 1.
Russell Wilson is known for his strong character, integrity, and leadership, both on and off the field, as evidenced by his Bart Starr Award win and philanthropic efforts through the Why Not You Foundation.
Here's a more detailed look at Russell Wilson's character:
Philanthropic Efforts:
Wilson and his wife, Ciara, established the Why Not You Foundation to fight poverty and empower youth.
They created the Why Not You Academy, a charter high school serving "systematically underserved students".
They have also launched campaigns like "Immuno Heroes" to raise funds for Seattle Children's Therapeutics, an immunotherapy program.
Wilson and Ciara donated 1 million meals to Seattle's foodbank, Food Lifeline, in response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Leadership and Teamwork:
Wilson is known for his positive attitude and unwavering belief in his team, even in challenging situations.
He has been praised for his composure and ability to lead under pressure.
Faith and Values:
Wilson is a devout Christian, and his faith plays a significant role in his life.
He openly shares his faith and uses his platform to promote positive values.
Community Involvement:
Wilson has made serving the Seattle community a priority since being drafted by the Seahawks.
He has made regular visits to patients at Seattle's Children's Hospital.
Recognition:
In 2022, Wilson won the Bart Starr Award for outstanding character, integrity, and leadership.
The award recognizes players who exemplify the highest standards of conduct on and off the field.
Wilson's skills may have declined. He may be less elusive. Regardless he still throws accurately downfield. Sign him, protect him and we will win some games.
Wilson is also a high character guy. Much better than diva Rodgers.
Is isn't what he used to be, but what he has left, is still much better than what we have had. Throw in his character and such, I am not opposed to him to hold it down for a year or two.
Wilson was 6-1 at one point. Then at the end of the season he faced the Bengals and the Ravens, which he beat earlier in the year, the Eagles, and the Chiefs. Lost those last four games.
I wanted Wilson when he left Seattle. He's what we need in a short-term mentor. If Schoen takes Rodgers over Wilson, I'm out until Joe is.
Hope Giants get this done. He's not great at this point but he'd give competent QB play at the very least which we didn't have last year.
If this is what keeps them from giving up 2 Third round picks to trade up for Ward, then fine. If this is what keeps them from entertaining Aaron Freaking Rodgers, then fine. But just do it already. There is no discernible difference in terms of play on the field between Rodgers and Wilson. They're both washed up. But one of them brings with him a truck load of dangerous lunacy and the other one is just Russell Wilson and his harmless nonsense.
They should just start a 1st round rookie but since that idiotic mandate from Mara that they have to win this year or everybody is fired they probably don't think they can risk rookie mistakes right now. So here we are.
Quote from: T200 on March 14, 2025, 08:50:19 AMI wanted Wilson when he left Seattle. He's what we need in a short-term mentor. If Schoen takes Rodgers over Wilson, I'm out until Joe is.
I don't understand the hate for Rodgers so much ? I get it ... he's a Diva and he is pissing me off myself but he's the best out there
I hope it isn't politics because we are all different ..... if the fanbase based everything off of that all Sports would be dead right now financially
Quote from: killarich on March 14, 2025, 10:09:20 AMI don't understand the hate for Rodgers so much ? I get it ... he's a Diva and he is pissing me off myself but he's the best out there
I hope it isn't politics because we are all different ..... if the fanbase based everything off of that all Sports would be dead right now financially
I don't like him as a person. It has nothing to do with politics.
From a football perspective, he's fragile and an injury waiting to happen, on the wrong side of 40, got a GM and HC fired (might be a positive for some), and will be a weekly distraction.
For me, the cons outweigh the pros.
Quote from: T200 on March 14, 2025, 10:26:55 AMI don't like him as a person. It has nothing to do with politics.
From a football perspective, he's fragile and an injury waiting to happen,on the wrong side of 40, got a GM and HC fired (might be a positive for some), and will be available weekly distraction.
For me, the cons outweigh the pros.
Ok I understand a bit more ... if that's how you feel then that's how you feel
Is it clear that Rodgers is better than Wilson at this point? It's not entirely obvious to me that he is.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 14, 2025, 03:35:01 PMIs it clear that Rodgers is better than Wilson at this point? It's not entirely obvious to me that he is.
To me it's crystal clear Rodgers is better. Especially with a good oline (which I DO believe we have) based on early last year with Thomas.
Rodgers showed me he gets it out quick still while Wilson had some strange decisions late in the season.
But Rodgers diva stuff is really starting to grow negatively on me as he can't make a damn decision
Quote from: Trench on March 14, 2025, 03:57:40 PMTo me it's crystal clear Rodgers is better. Especially with a good oline (which I DO believe we have) based on early last year with Thomas.
Rodgers showed me he gets it out quick still while Wilson had some strange decisions late in the season.
But Rodgers diva stuff is really starting to grow negatively on me as he can't make a damn decision
Trench, I agree that Rodgers is better than Wilson but I just have the feeling, if we hold out for Rodgers, Wilson will move on and take another offer......and Rodgers will screw us in the end. I think he's waiting on Minnesota and Pittsburgh is his second choice. I hope we sign Wilson today.
Wilson makes me :sick:
Quote from: Gman329 on March 14, 2025, 04:32:28 PMTrench, I agree that Rodgers is better than Wilson but I just have the feeling, if we hold out for Rodgers, Wilson will move on and take another offer......and Rodgers will screw us in the end. I think he's waiting on Minnesota and Pittsburgh is his second choice. I hope we sign Wilson today.
I agree. At this point I'd rather we simply sign Wilson
I honestly don't think Rodgers is much better if better at all than Wilson. Wilson had a rough stretch at the end of the season but go back and look at the teams they were losing to. It was a murder's row of the best teams in the sport. Rodgers on the other hand only started playing well when the season was effectively over for the Jets. And the reason the season was effectively over for the Jets was in large part due to his ineffective play. Then when you factor in all of the B.S. that comes along with Rodgers they should not hesitate to tell him to kick rocks and just sign Wilson already. Or do the smart thing and play the rookie but thanks to Mara's idiotic mandate I don't know if that's even on the table right now.
When teams evaluate players for the NFL draft they are not limiting the evaluation to athleticism or how well they play the position, or their level of intelligence. They also look closely at their emotional maturity, how much of a team player they are and how much they can contribute to a winning culture.
I have to believe they take these same things into account with free agent acquisitions, But for some strange reason, teams continue to give Aarod a pass on being a culture killer. He continues to show us who he is, why do we refuse do believe him. It's time to cut the cord here.
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 15, 2025, 03:48:08 PMWhen teams evaluate players for the NFL draft they are not limiting the evaluation to athleticism or how well they play the position, or their level of intelligence. They also look closely at their emotional maturity, how much of a team player they are and how much they can contribute to a winning culture.
I have to believe they take these same things into account with free agent acquisitions, But for some strange reason, teams continue to give Aarod a pass on being a culture killer. He continues to show us who he is, why do we refuse do believe him. It's time to cut the cord here.
He's been an MVP multiple times and a super bowl winner, when did he ever kill a culture? He mentored Love up until the moment he left, which set Green Bay up for success once he was gone.
How do we know he was the one that killed the culture with the Jets? Saleh was on the hot seat and throwing every single thing he could at the wall to see if it would stick.
Rodgers was coming off the Achilles which notoriously take a year and half to recover from and you saw that in his game as he got back to full form once the season ended.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 14, 2025, 03:35:01 PMIs it clear that Rodgers is better than Wilson at this point? It's not entirely obvious to me that he is.
Yeah by a country mile. What people don't realize is that Russell Wilson with the Seahawks was a mirage. While they never had a good pass blocking oline, they had a good run blocking oline, and set it up so that when Wilson did pass it was in a rollout, play action, or scramble, typically to a hot read or a primary read. He was never a traditional qb and rarely targeted the middle of the field when he did throw. This is what the Broncos figured out when they signed him, and then later the steelers. It really showed up down the stretch for the steelers when he'd either get his first read or take a sack.
You make some valid points clayton, but I remember him going at it pretty heavy with McCarthy not long before McCarthy was gone from Green Bay.
The entire QB situation was a clown show with the Jets, so much so that Glenn upon his arrival, shared a clear set of expectations for Rodgers and in no time, Rodgers was gone. Something was amiss, and perhaps it wasn't all Rodgers, but it looks and smells like he contributed to the poor culture.
Now that he's negotiating with teams, it looks and smells like he's not really negotiating in good faith. It looks like he's leveraging NY and Pitt against MN, trying to get signed by the Vikings.
When it looks like a duck...
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 15, 2025, 04:16:18 PMYeah by a country mile. What people don't realize is that Russell Wilson with the Seahawks was a mirage. While they never had a good pass blocking oline, they had a good run blocking oline, and set it up so that when Wilson did pass it was in a rollout, play action, or scramble, typically to a hot read or a primary read. He was never a traditional qb and rarely targeted the middle of the field when he did throw. This is what the Broncos figured out when they signed him, and then later the steelers. It really showed up down the stretch for the steelers when he'd either get his first read or take a sack.
Well now you have me hoping for Rodgers again - after I was all but done with the guy.
You make excellent points.
Quote from: Trench on March 15, 2025, 04:52:38 PMWell now you have me hoping for Rodgers again - after I was all but done with the guy.
You make excellent points.
Wilson just isn't athletic like he once was which diminishes what he did at an elite level.
The lack of anything from Schoen makes me uncomfortable
Russell Wilson will do little to save Dabes and Schoen. Both be Schoen the door.,because he can't attack the mid field at all..throws his moon 50/50 balls and has lost elusiveness.
But wait..the rookie QB comes in week eight or nine..to bring hope in a another losing season..pathetic.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on March 15, 2025, 09:23:41 PMRussell Wilson will do little to save Dabes and Schoen. Both be Schoen the door.,because he can't attack the mid field at all..throws his moon 50/50 balls and has lost elusiveness.
But wait..the rookie QB comes in week eight or nine..to bring hope in a another losing season..pathetic.
Again you guys are giving me pause on Wilson. As annoyed I am at Rodgers I guess I'm hoping he chooses us
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 15, 2025, 04:16:18 PMYeah by a country mile. What people don't realize is that Russell Wilson with the Seahawks was a mirage. While they never had a good pass blocking oline, they had a good run blocking oline, and set it up so that when Wilson did pass it was in a rollout, play action, or scramble, typically to a hot read or a primary read. He was never a traditional qb and rarely targeted the middle of the field when he did throw. This is what the Broncos figured out when they signed him, and then later the steelers. It really showed up down the stretch for the steelers when he'd either get his first read or take a sack.
What I saw the few times I watched RW it was the 2H of season and he looked just like you described. But then I saw his stats for the first 6 games and they were pretty good. A 5-1 start ended 1-5 so what happened? Was it all Wilson falling off the cliff or were there other factors at play with Steelers?
Long dinner.
Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on March 15, 2025, 10:49:00 PMWhat I saw the few times I watched RW it was the 2H of season and he looked just like you described. But then I saw his stats for the first 6 games and they were pretty good. A 5-1 start ended 1-5 so what happened? Was it all Wilson falling off the cliff or were there other factors at play with Steelers?
Chiefs, Eagles, Ravens and Bengals.
Quote from: PSUBeirut on March 15, 2025, 10:55:59 PMLong dinner.
It was made up, unless they are hitting an all you can eat buffet extremely hard. :o
I guess they finally finished their meal
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 25, 2025, 11:10:24 PMI guess they finally finished their meal
NOTE- To qualify, I am not accusing the starter of this thread of being a fake insider
This did eventually sort of prove correct. However, this offseason was filled with fake insiders making all sorts of nonsensical claims (especially from Big Blue Interactive, the lover of all fake insiders). No doubt, there are lines of fans returning their Stafford Giants Jerseys and their Aaron Rodgers Jerseys.
There are real insiders like Albert Breer and Mike Garafolo who get insider information and are right a high percentage of the time. Then, there are people who make educated guesses. They wrap those guesses in "I have insider information" and use careful qualifiers they can point to if their guess is wrong. Slick Rick on Twitter is another annoying fake outsider. Fake insiders annoy me as much as the various flavors of fortune tellers and psychics who con people. I have no use for the lot of them.
RANT OFF, I will now get off my soap box.