How would you feel if NYG signed...
1) Aaron Rodgers?
2) Russel Wilson?
3) Joe Flacco?
This feels like 1972 all over again :hurt:
I don't want any of them to start. Given that Flacco would be the only one willing to backup a rookie I'd vote for him. But since Schoen/Daboll know they're fired if they don't win immediately thanks to an idiotic mandate from their idiotic owner, they're going to get either Rodgers or Wilson. And of the two, I'd take the one that's not criminally insane. But that's just my opinion.
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 14, 2025, 09:31:47 AMI don't want any of them to start. Given that Flacco would be the only one willing to backup a rookie I'd vote for him. But since Schoen/Daboll know they're fired if they don't win immediately thanks to an idiotic mandate from their idiotic owner, they're going to get either Rodgers or Wilson. And of the two, I'd take the one that's not criminally insane. But that's just my opinion.
I would argue that the issue wasn't the mandate, the issue was the mistake of not firing the two after failing to improve the team after 3 years. When you fail to hold leadership accountable, but promise to do so in the future, you create the bad situation we are currently witnessing.
rodgers or wilson signing might [I hope] give us the opening NOT to draft ward or sanders and to use that #3 pick for for BPA or a trade down. not sure flacco or a true bridge qb affords that. But right now we need someone who can start at least half a season, so yes, either of the three but still do not draft sanders or ward.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 14, 2025, 09:35:28 AMI would argue that the issue wasn't the mandate, the issue was the mistake of not firing the two after failing to improve the team after 3 years. When you fail to hold leadership accountable, but promise to do so in the future, you create the bad situation we are currently witnessing.
The thing is look at the roster right now. They still need a RG and obviously a QB but outside of that? It's really pretty good. They also have a 1st, 2nd, and two 3rd round picks. The remaining holes should be able to be filled with those picks. Provided they don't use a bunch of those picks to stupidly trade up to #1 anyway. What if the draft ends up being: Hunter/Dart/OG/OG? Or if they sign Wilson (or please God no Rodgers) what if it's Hunter/OG/OG/WR? Is this not a pretty damn good team? At least on paper until everybody gets hurt again?
That's why I felt it was fine to not fire them, but you can't then at the same time cut their legs out from under them by saying they have one more year to figure it out or they're all gone. At that point yea just fire them because every decision they make from that point on isn't going to be with the best interest of the team in mind it's going to be with the best interest of themselves in mind.
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 14, 2025, 10:04:42 AMThe thing is look at the roster right now. They still need a RG and obviously a QB but outside of that? It's really pretty good. They also have a 1st, 2nd, and two 3rd round picks. The remaining holes should be able to be filled with those picks. Provided they don't use a bunch of those picks to stupidly trade up to #1 anyway. What if the draft ends up being: Hunter/Dart/OG/OG? Or if they sign Wilson (or please God no Rodgers) what if it's Hunter/OG/OG/WR? Is this not a pretty damn good team? At least on paper until everybody gets hurt again?
That's why I felt it was fine to not fire them, but you can't then at the same time cut their legs out from under them by saying they have one more year to figure it out or they're all gone. At that point yea just fire them because every decision they make from that point on isn't going to be with the best interest of the team in mind it's going to be with the best interest of themselves in mind.
Based on how they brought back the band (so to speak) on offense, I am thinking NYG is planning on trading up. I think the Giants are anticipating having fewer draft picks than they have now. While their O-line is lacking, it's not like there are many roster spots available along the line. In fact, after free agency they have over 60 players on the roster and it seems like there will be limited spots for draft picks to win.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 14, 2025, 10:22:22 AMBased on how they brought back the band (so to speak) on offense, I am thinking NYG is planning on trading up. I think the Giants are anticipating having fewer draft picks than they have now. While their O-line is lacking, it's not like there are many roster spots available along the line. In fact, after free agency they have over 60 players on the roster and it seems like there will be limited spots for draft picks to win.
At this point I just hope next years first round pick is off the board if we do trade up.... and at most the highest is NEXT years 2nd round pick.... this year highest to give up is a third
Quote from: killarich on March 14, 2025, 10:46:17 AMAt this point I just hope next years first round pick is off the board if we do trade up.... and at most the highest is NEXT years 2nd round pick.... this year highest to give up is a third
I could see the Giants giving up their 2nd and 3rd this year and their 2nd next year (that's my best guess)
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 14, 2025, 10:51:49 AMI could see the Giants giving up their 2nd and 3rd this year and their 2nd next year (that's my best guess)
I could absolutely see them doing that. And it would be incredibly stupid if they did.
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 14, 2025, 11:16:30 AMI could absolutely see them doing that. And it would be incredibly stupid if they did.
I would prefer to draft Dart at three rather than make that trade for Ward. I don't think the difference between Ward and Dart are worth a high 2nd and 3rd this year and a high 2nd next year.
I could not find the Justin Fields thread so I am putting my post here , sorry.
I think it was a big mistake for the Giants not to be on Justin Fields . Out of all the QBs available in FA , I think that he has the biggest upside potential . He is only 25 , a terrific runner for a QB and if he gets QB Whisperer, he could be special.
The Jets made an excellent acqisition and their OC I believe was instrumental in running the Lions offense last year.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 14, 2025, 11:19:12 AMI would prefer to draft Dart at three rather than make that trade for Ward. I don't think the difference between Ward and Dart are worth a high 2nd and 3rd this year and a high 2nd next year.
Which scenario would you be on board with more?
1)Trading up to #1
2)Taking Dart at 3
3) taking carter/hunter at 3, then rolling the dice and using our 2nd rd pick plus our 4th to slide back into the end of the 1st assuming Dart is still there and taking him? Worst case he's gone and you take your guy in 2026.
I think easily it's number 3 by a mile.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on March 14, 2025, 12:02:17 PMI could not find the Justin Fields thread so I am putting my post here , sorry.
I think it was a big mistake for the Giants not to be on Justin Fields . Out of all the QBs available in FA , I think that he has the biggest upside potential . He is only 25 , a terrific runner for a QB and if he gets QB Whisperer, he could be special.
The Jets made an excellent acqisition and their OC I believe was instrumental in running the Lions offense last year.
I am torn on the subject of Fields. On the one hand, I agree with much of what you said. On the other hand:
https://x.com/AndrewBrandt/status/1900523151081009551
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 14, 2025, 12:19:38 PMWhich scenario would you be on board with more?
1)Trading up to #1
2)Taking Dart at 3
3) taking carter/hunter at 3, then rolling the dice and using our 2nd rd pick plus our 4th to slide back into the end of the 1st assuming Dart is still there and taking him? Worst case he's gone and you take your guy in 2026.
I think easily it's number 3 by a mile.
Jess,
I respect your view, but I am going to pick 2. I believe Dart will be an NFL franchise QB, and I am of the belief that if you have a prospect who you believe will be your franchise QB, you take him and don't get cute. Hunter and Carter would be nice, but I am sure the team can get a couple of pretty good players with the 2nd and 4th pick (I am eying a quality DT to line up next to Dex with the 2nd round pick or an O-line upgrade)
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 14, 2025, 12:19:38 PMWhich scenario would you be on board with more?
1)Trading up to #1
2)Taking Dart at 3
3) taking carter/hunter at 3, then rolling the dice and using our 2nd rd pick plus our 4th to slide back into the end of the 1st assuming Dart is still there and taking him? Worst case he's gone and you take your guy in 2026.
I think easily it's number 3 by a mile.
Add Graham to #3 (Who fills a big need) and I choose #3
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 14, 2025, 12:19:38 PMWhich scenario would you be on board with more?
1)Trading up to #1
2)Taking Dart at 3
3) taking carter/hunter at 3, then rolling the dice and using our 2nd rd pick plus our 4th to slide back into the end of the 1st assuming Dart is still there and taking him? Worst case he's gone and you take your guy in 2026.
I think easily it's number 3 by a mile.
Also with #3, if the Daboll/Schoen regime is completely ousted after the 2025-26 season, you don't have as strong a tie to the QB (if you land him at the end of the 1st at all) and the next duo has much more freedom to seek their own solution than being tied to a #1 or #3 overall QB selection.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 14, 2025, 12:19:38 PMWhich scenario would you be on board with more?
1)Trading up to #1
2)Taking Dart at 3
3) taking carter/hunter at 3, then rolling the dice and using our 2nd rd pick plus our 4th to slide back into the end of the 1st assuming Dart is still there and taking him? Worst case he's gone and you take your guy in 2026.
I think easily it's number 3 by a mile.
It's absolutely #3. And if this was year one for Daboll/Schoen or if Mara hadn't mandated they win this season immediately or else he's firing everybody, I would venture to guess that's exactly what they would do.
But they are getting fired if they don't win immediately which is why they're sniffing around Rodgers' rotting corpse and Russell Wilson and it's why I don't believe they would risk doing that and have somebody else trade up into the top 10 or top 15 to take Dart ahead of them. Which is why Mara saying what he said is idiotic. They are no longer doing what's in the best interest of the team, they are now in a position where they need to do what's best for THEM.
https://x.com/spiderstumbled/status/1900589298476355602
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DG89_KFSqUf/?igsh=emFxbHdmcXdvNmUx
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 14, 2025, 11:16:30 AMI could absolutely see them doing that. And it would be incredibly stupid if they did.
Unless they pick a QB who goes on to become a franchise QB.
Then we'd all forget.
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1) Rodgers- I would be concerned. Wink was a talented DC with a difficult personality. Daboll was not able to handle him. I don't see the pairing of Rodgers and Daboll going well.
2) Wilson- I think the ceiling is a repeat of DJ 2022 where it's one read and run.
3) Flacco- I see him as a borderline starter. If he signs it's all about the drafted QB
Of the three options, I'd take Wilson. A very high character guy who would be the best of the bunch (IMHO) at mentoring the kid(s) we end up drafting. Rogers scares the crap out of me in that he's a one-man show who wouldn't share inside secrets to a green kid cutting his teeth in the NFL. Aaron is all about Aaron. And I'd take Flacco if it was 10 years ago. He probably has kids older than the QB we draft. I know he has 3 boys and 1 girl...sounds like a family man who doesn't want to live on the road and leave family behind
Plus, I don't want to hang my team's hat on two Jets' castoffs (who are older now than when they were with the Jets). Even if we suck, my heart says we're better than feeding on the crumbs on the floor that have fallen off the Jets' table
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 14, 2025, 01:18:27 PM1) Rodgers- I would be concerned. Wink was a talented DC with a difficult personality. Daboll was not able to handle him. I don't see the pairing of Rodgers and Daboll going well.
2) Wilson- I think the ceiling is a repeat of DJ 2022 where it's one read and run.
3) Flacco- I see him as a borderline starter. If he signs it's all about the drafted QB
Wilson in REM sleep is a better QB than Jones.
Quote from: files58 on March 14, 2025, 01:46:33 PMWilson in REM sleep is a better QB than Jones.
Comparing 2022 DJ with 2024 Wilson
PFF
Wilson- 79.5
DJ- 75.6
Pass Rating
Wilson- 95.6
DJ- 92.5
QBR
Wilson- 51.3
DJ- 62.9
Wilson edged out DJ in two out of three. DJ did top Wilson by a significant margin on the QBR (the one metric he won)
So Wilson was slightly better, but another year older, and I think you end up with 2022 DJ
To actually answer the question as asked, rather than assume that someone might actually give a xxxx when instead we give flight to our personal conceits, I would be very displeased if it is Rodgers. As for the other two: Wilson or Flacco, I don't feel that it will matter much, not to me in any case, as I think of them as doing little more than delaying the positioning of what I hope will be, the as yet to be determined, Giants QB of the future.
Cheers!
Well it's after 3pm on Friday. We thought we would have a QB several days ago now.
Hey Schoen - make a move!...one way or the other make a decision and just let us know please.
We don't wanna be lost with nobody
Quote from: Trench on March 14, 2025, 03:16:52 PMWell it's after 3pm on Friday. We thought we would have a QB several days ago now.
Hey Schoen - make a move!...one way or the other make a decision and just let us know please.
We don't wanna be lost with nobody
As to Rodgers, the best I can tell from the insider reports is that the Vikings are considering signing Rodgers. Rodgers is more than willing to wait because he prefers the Vikings over the Steelers or the Giants. If the Vikings pass, then presumably he would resume discussions with the Steelers first.
Schoen likely could sign Wilson or Flacco now, if he wishes. One would think that he is holding out hope that Rodgers will sign.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 14, 2025, 03:41:46 PMAs to Rodgers, the best I can tell from the insider reports is that the Vikings are considering signing Rodgers. Rodgers is more than willing to wait because he prefers the Vikings over the Steelers or the Giants. If the Vikings pass, then presumably he would resume discussions with the Steelers first.
Schoen likely could sign Wilson or Flacco now, if he wishes. One would think that he is holding out hope that Rodgers will sign.
He probably is holding out for Rodgers and it makes me sick. I've been on board with most of Schoen's decisions but this one I cannot abide by. Just sign Wilson and be done with this already. NOBODY wants Rodgers around, he's not much better than Wilson if at all, and if he's around a young drafted QB he's only going to poison that poor kid. Enough already!
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 15, 2025, 12:34:55 PMHe probably is holding out for Rodgers and it makes me sick. I've been on board with most of Schoen's decisions but this one I cannot abide by. Just sign Wilson and be done with this already. NOBODY wants Rodgers around, he's not much better than Wilson if at all, and if he's around a young drafted QB he's only going to poison that poor kid. Enough already!
Not one person here on BBH would've thought by today we still haven't signed a QB. Oh to be a fly on the wall. I want Rodgers as I feel he will play with a chip in NY and really will elevate Theo to stardom. But his diva attitude is wearing thin on me.
I'm fine with Flacco or Wilson, as long as a QBOTF is waiting behind them and we don't have to pay much. This will be a rebuilding season anyway.
I'm not fine with Rodgers. He's a dingbat. We don't need his baggage.
Quote from: y_so_blu on March 15, 2025, 01:21:44 PMI'm fine with Flacco or Wilson, as long as a QBOTF is waiting behind them and we don't have to pay much. This will be a rebuilding season anyway.
I'm not fine with Rodgers. He's a dingbat. We don't need his baggage.
I don't want Flacco. He's too imobile and old
https://x.com/TheAthletic/status/1900965455348850779
This diva stuff is interesting?
Has he had anything official from any team where he's deliberately stalling?
From as far as I can tell, nobody has offered him anything to turn down yet.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 15, 2025, 01:58:13 PMhttps://x.com/TheAthletic/status/1900965455348850779
That's it, I'm done.
Please go sign Wilson. NOW Joe!
Do NOT leave us without a QB or else we are done with you and your act
"I'll be more blunt," Allbright said. "The Vikings have no interest in Aaron Rodgers despite his interest in them."
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/minnesota-vikings/news/report-makes-vikings-stance-jj-mccarthy-vs-aaron-rodgers-abundantly-clear/1303cd1b7d254fa7edf5f893
Flacco is a consummate pro..good guy and still has an amazing arm..no doubt. Even at 40..yes you might snicker..but he can still throw the rock well..give him credit..and certainly knows what he is being asked to do..
C
Quote from: Trench on March 15, 2025, 02:39:27 PMThat's it, I'm done.
Please go sign Wilson. NOW Joe!
Do NOT leave us without a QB or else we are done with you and your act
So tired of this guy. Just go away..discuss many world physics with Kaku..meet the Dalai Lama..run over hot coals..go to the CERN in Switzerland..invent a philosophical construct..leave the planet for Mars..anything..go away!!!!
Quote from: spiderblue43 on March 16, 2025, 10:47:32 PMSo tired of this guy. Just go away..discuss many world physics with Kaku..meet the Dalai Lama..run over hot coals..go to the CERN in Switzerland..invent a philosophical construct..leave the planet for Mars..anything..go away!!!!
Spider,
I didn't mean to offend you at all. I am just very frustrated at the up and downs of this whole debacle
Quote from: Trench on March 17, 2025, 05:55:32 AMSpider,
I didn't mean to offend you at all. I am just very frustrated at the up and downs of this whole debacle
Oh you didn't, Trench..at all. I'm just fed up with the Rodgers saga..everyone here knows I never get upset..it's just not that important.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 16, 2025, 07:40:47 PM"I'll be more blunt," Allbright said. "The Vikings have no interest in Aaron Rodgers despite his interest in them."
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/minnesota-vikings/news/report-makes-vikings-stance-jj-mccarthy-vs-aaron-rodgers-abundantly-clear/1303cd1b7d254fa7edf5f893
If that's true I commend the Vikings, whether JJ turns out good or not.
They are focused on the long-term future
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Think whatever you want about Aaron Rodgers, but man, the first wk of free agency has been a DISASTER for Russell Wilson. Your most recent team doesn't want you #Steelers. You couldn't reach a deal w the other team w an open job #Giants. And you couldn't even get an offer from #Browns who only have Kenny Pickett. Ouch.
https://x.com/DavidMTodd/status/1901630157741289549
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 17, 2025, 07:18:36 AMIf that's true I commend the Vikings, whether JJ turns out good or not.
They are focused on the long-term future
Imagine if the Giants drafted McCarthy last year instead on Nabors. The won 3 games with Nabors and even if McCarthy didn't play, and all else was equal, they would have the third pick and having no Nabors would draft either Hunter or McMillan. And no big search for a QB.
Quote from: katkavage on March 17, 2025, 09:53:03 AMImagine if the Giants drafted McCarthy last year instead on Nabors. The won 3 games with Nabors and even if McCarthy didn't play, and all else was equal, they would have the third pick and having no Nabors would draft either Hunter or McMillan. And no big search for a QB.
The other side of that is imagine they take Hunter at #3, Dart later in the 1st and all of a sudden their rookie QB has Nabers, Hunter, Slayton, Wandale, Theo, Tracy, and if they would ever decide to play him Hyatt around him.
There's no real evidence to suggest JJ coming off injury (or healthy for that matter) is any better than Sanders or Dart. And if they get a QB this year he'd be walking into a much better situation than JJ would have been walking into last year. Now if they swing and miss on QBs in the draft and in free agency that's another story.
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 17, 2025, 10:00:49 AMThe other side of that is imagine they take Hunter at #3, Dart later in the 1st and all of a sudden their rookie QB has Nabers, Hunter, Slayton, Wandale, Theo, Tracy, and if they would ever decide to play him Hyatt around him.
There's no real evidence to suggest JJ coming off injury (or healthy for that matter) is any better than Sanders or Dart. And if they get a QB this year he'd be walking into a much better situation than JJ would have been walking into last year. Now if they swing and miss on QBs in the draft and in free agency that's another story.
The only evidence that is clear is that the Giants are desperate for two QBs. Desperate.
If we sign Wilson I am ok with it.
Option 2 would be Flacco.
And Rodgers; thanks, but no thanks.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 17, 2025, 09:45:31 AMDavid Todd
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Think whatever you want about Aaron Rodgers, but man, the first wk of free agency has been a DISASTER for Russell Wilson. Your most recent team doesn't want you #Steelers. You couldn't reach a deal w the other team w an open job #Giants. And you couldn't even get an offer from #Browns who only have Kenny Pickett. Ouch.
https://x.com/DavidMTodd/status/1901630157741289549
What a disaster it is for the NYGs to have 5 Five QBs to consider, Darnold-80.7, Wilson-79.5, Rodgers-77.8, Stafford-74.7, and Flacco-71.6, and unable to come to an agreement with any of them.
https://x.com/FoxSportsRadio/status/1901683313590554650
Quote from: spiderblue43 on March 17, 2025, 06:31:11 AMOh you didn't, Trench..at all. I'm just fed up with the Rodgers saga..everyone here knows I never get upset..it's just not that important.
Thank you very much for the reply Spider, I realized (the frustration in my post towards our lack of action) could have been perceived negatively - which I sincerely didn't wish to do.
Happy St Patrick's Day and thank you.
Quote from: Trench on March 17, 2025, 02:22:20 PMThank you very much for the reply Spider, I realized (the frustration in my post towards our lack of action) could have been perceived negatively - which I sincerely didn't wish to do.
Happy St Patrick's Day and thank you.
Same to you, Trench.
We need the Giants to be Trench warriors again like Carl Banks..wow what a great player he was..and of course, the late, great forgotten Brad Van Pelt.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on March 17, 2025, 05:55:57 PMSame to you, Trench.
We need the Giants to be Trench warriors again like Carl Banks..wow what a great player he was..and of course, the late, great forgotten Brad Van Pelt.
And George Marshal and Gary Reasons
For me:
1- Flacco (lower cost too)
2- Wilson
Assuming that JS/BD are fighting for their jobs this year, and that the QB pickens' are thin in this years' draft. They clearly have nothing to lose by going BOOM OR BUST.
With that logic, I would go Jameis Winston for one year and pray that he can keep his turnovers to a minimum.
https://x.com/RalphVacchiano/status/1901993475270127763
Playing the waiting game with Rodgers will bite the Giants in a bad way. It's clear he has other preferences.
Why not offer Wilson a deal in which he had to hit certain passing metrics and if he does he gets his second year? He should be motivated to work hard.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 18, 2025, 12:53:11 PMPlaying the waiting game with Rodgers will bite the Giants in a bad way. It's clear he has other preferences.
Why not offer Wilson a deal in which he had to hit certain passing metrics and if he does he gets his second year? He should be motivated to work hard.
It'll only cost them if he actually decides to play for them. Rodgers/Wilson/Winston/Rookie X you're all looking at about the same amount of wins. But only one of them brings enough baggage to overload a 747.