Here are the biggest needs I see put in three buckets
Must have
Franchise QB
3 Tech DT
Backup NT
Want to have
Offensive lineman (guard or tackle)
Edge Rusher to add to rotation
Would like to have
RB to pair with Tracy
More O-line
Another WR
ILB
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 16, 2025, 11:17:50 AMHere are the biggest needs I see put in three buckets
Must have
Franchise QB
3 Tech DT
Backup NT
Want to have
Offensive lineman (guard or tackle)
Edge Rusher to add to rotation
Would like to have
RB to pair with Tracy
More O-line
Another WR
ILB
I'm good with your list, Rich
@MightyGiants . You know my only input would involve moving offensive line into the "Must Have" department. They are doing a good job in free agency signing depth; however, they still need to add two, possibly three more, through the draft (NOTE: though I suspect it might be one or two).
I would have included, as a "nice to have," a kicker to challenge Graham Gano. But the Giants resigned Jude McAtamney to a Reserves/Future Contract for 2025 so that more than works for me. It was good that the Irish lad had an opportunity to get some real game action last season and I'm hopeful he will continue to develop and, one day, take over for Gano when it's that time.
Peace!
Franchise QB.
What exactly does this mean?
Is it the QB that leads your team for the next ten years?
Is it the guy who pushes you over the top to contend for the Super Bowl?
Some of the Qb's that have won a Super Bowl were not so super.
To name a few Nick Foles, Mark Rypien,Trent Dilfer these are a few of a long list.
Neither Ward of Sanders to me and I am no professional seem to be the guy to sell out for.
I think you need to build the team from the inside out.
Both lines especially on offense need to get stronger.
I look at the Giants as a 5 win team and it could be worse.
Get a bridge QB maybe draft one in the 4 the round.
Next year they will be picking in the top five with a much more robust QB class.
They need depth at every position.
The next few weeks will be very interesting.
I put a CB in the "must have" category. Unless Banks turns things around, he is not acting like a CB1 IMO. Maybe it was the "sophomore slump", that is common with players in most sports, as computers and analytics learn how to find a player's weaknesses and then exploit it. Very common with hitters in baseball, only with computers, it only takes a couple of months for a rookie to go from phenom to potential bust. In years past, managers took notes on each hitter, and he'd keep a tally on what pitch the hitter struggled with, and it took a year to gather enough paper data in a little book in the manager's back pocket. Now it happens in a few weeks as a computer prints out a scatter pattern, hit pattern, and every imaginable aspect of the player. And the data isn't collected by the manager, who took notes only when they played against the team. Now there are analysts across the country, scouring every game a player is in, facing a litany of opposing players
I guess the good news, is that if opposing teams have data to exploit a player, so does the player's coach, who can then help the player address and fix particular issues. I still have hopes for Banks, but I'm not holding my breath thinking he's a shoo-in as our future CB1
Quote from: Kugs53 on March 16, 2025, 12:05:55 PMFranchise QB.
What exactly does this mean?
Is it the QB that leads your team for the next ten years?
Is it the guy who pushes you over the top to contend for the Super Bowl?
Some of the Qb's that have won a Super Bowl were not so super.
To name a few Nick Foles, Mark Rypien,Trent Dilfer these are a few of a long list.
Neither Ward of Sanders to me and I am no professional seem to be the guy to sell out for.
I think you need to build the team fro the inside out.
Both lines especially on offense need to get stronger.
I look a the Giants a a 5 win team and it could be worse.
Get a bridge QB maybe draft one in the 4 the round.
Next year they will be picking in the top five with a much more robust QB class.
They need depth at every position.
The next few weeks will be very interesting.
I define a franchise QB as a top 10-12 QB. If you have a good team with a franchise QB you should be making the playoffs regularly
Ideally, you want a top 5 QB, an elite QB. Those are very hard to find.
Below the franchise, you have a JAG or bridge QB. You are not likely to make many playoffs with one of them.
We hope next year's QB class will be better, but that's far from certain.
Quote from: kartanoman on March 16, 2025, 11:59:36 AMI'm good with your list, Rich @MightyGiants . You know my only input would involve moving offensive line into the "Must Have" department. They are doing a good job in free agency signing depth; however, they still need to add two, possibly three more, through the draft (NOTE: though I suspect it might be one or two).
I would have included, as a "nice to have," a kicker to challenge Graham Gano. But the Giants resigned Jude McAtamney to a Reserves/Future Contract for 2025 so that more than works for me. It was good that the Irish lad had an opportunity to get some real game action last season and I'm hopeful he will continue to develop and, one day, take over for Gano when it's that time.
Peace!
The O-line isn't the strength of the draft. I want to see one or two drafted because I think you should always be drafting O-line, but if they didn't, I believe the team could try and get by with what they have on their roster
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 16, 2025, 12:34:35 PMI put a CB in the "must have" category. Unless Banks turns things around, he is not acting like a CB1 IMO. Maybe it was the "sophomore slump", that is common with players in most sports, as computers and analytics learn how to find a player's weaknesses and then exploit it. Very common with hitters in baseball, only with computers, it only takes a couple of months for a rookie to go from phenom to potential bust. In years past, managers took notes on each hitter, and he'd keep a tally on what pitch the hitter struggled with, and it took a year to gather enough paper data in a little book in the manager's back pocket. Now it happens in a few weeks as a computer prints out a scatter pattern, hit pattern, and every imaginable aspect of the player. And the data isn't collected by the manager, who took notes only when they played against the team. Now there are analysts across the country, scouring every game a player is in, facing a litany of opposing players
I guess the good news, is that if opposing teams have data to exploit a player, so does the player's coach, who can then help the player address and fix particular issues. I still have hopes for Banks, but I'm not holding my breath thinking he's a shoo-in as our future CB1
The Giants still have Flott
The Giants haven't exercised Thibodeaux's 5th year option yet. They haven't re=signed Ojulari. Carter may be the best pick if they sign Rodgers or Wilson. Then figure out the QB from the second round as the draft plays out. They did a lot of work in the secondary.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 16, 2025, 01:39:33 PMThe Giants haven't exercised Thibodeaux's 5th year option yet. They haven't re=signed Ojulari. Carter may be the best pick if they sign Rodgers or Wilson. Then figure out the QB from the second round as the draft plays out. They did a lot of work in the secondary.
For everything you wrote, I can see Carter as the pick at 3. It is a critical position and he is very talented. Thibs has underwhelmed, Ojulari is oft injured and Burns is very expensive.
"I define a franchise QB as a top 10-12 QB. If you have a good team with a franchise QB you should be making the playoffs regularly."
Yes but the Giants don't have a good team.
Quote from: Kugs53 on March 16, 2025, 02:09:39 PM"I define a franchise QB as a top 10-12 QB. If you have a good team with a franchise QB you should be making the playoffs regularly."
Yes but the Giants don't have a good team.
I can't ague with that ;)
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 16, 2025, 12:34:35 PMI put a CB in the "must have" category. Unless Banks turns things around, he is not acting like a CB1 IMO. Maybe it was the "sophomore slump", that is common with players in most sports, as computers and analytics learn how to find a player's weaknesses and then exploit it. Very common with hitters in baseball, only with computers, it only takes a couple of months for a rookie to go from phenom to potential bust. In years past, managers took notes on each hitter, and he'd keep a tally on what pitch the hitter struggled with, and it took a year to gather enough paper data in a little book in the manager's back pocket. Now it happens in a few weeks as a computer prints out a scatter pattern, hit pattern, and every imaginable aspect of the player. And the data isn't collected by the manager, who took notes only when they played against the team. Now there are analysts across the country, scouring every game a player is in, facing a litany of opposing players
I guess the good news, is that if opposing teams have data to exploit a player, so does the player's coach, who can then help the player address and fix particular issues. I still have hopes for Banks, but I'm not holding my breath thinking he's a shoo-in as our future CB1
If you look at his analytics he's top 5-10 he just needs to turn his head and make a play for the ball. I fully believe Henderson got fired because he couldn't teach Banks to do that. He's super sticky, just needs to turn his head.
Quote from: Kugs53 on March 16, 2025, 02:09:39 PM"I define a franchise QB as a top 10-12 QB. If you have a good team with a franchise QB you should be making the playoffs regularly."
Yes but the Giants don't have a good team.
With a top 10 Qb the Giants are a playoff team without hesitation.
Players want to play for an elite qb where they think they can win a championship. Elire players take less, and vets sign for minimums to get a ring. It's how the Ravens, Bills, Chiefs, Eagles, and Lions have acquired depth that the other nfl teams have not. They sign guys for cheap and can draft bpa all the time to add even more depth.
The difference between the Giants and the mid teams like the Vikings, Packers, rams, etc isn't far off.
FWIW I think we have three absolute needs (through remaining free agency and the draft) as a starter. Of course we have a lengthy catalogue of positions needing either rotational pieces or upgraded depth because we are not very good:
Starters
QB
3T
RG
Rotational
OLB/Edge
NT
WR
RB
Depth
C/G
Swing T
CB
ILB
ST coverage units
My wildcard is K. Is Gano healthy and fully effective? If not can McAtamney do it? If not?
If we hit the three key needs we have a chance to be competitive if we get some luck with lower draft picks helping rotation/depth, picking up camp cuts and minimising injuries. IF!!
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 16, 2025, 02:14:20 PMIf you look at his analytics he's top 5-10 he just needs to turn his head and make a play for the ball. I fully believe Henderson got fired because he couldn't teach Banks to do that. He's super sticky, just needs to turn his head.
I hope it's that simple, and that the fix is equally that simple. I had high hopes for the kid
Rich brought up Cordell Flott, who has steadily gotten better, but not a CB1 contestant (IMO) unless something major happens. We also have Tre Hawkins. I'd love to read a story in a year or two about those two becoming quality players while being groomed by the Giants. It happens once in a while, where a team sticks with lesser knowns and with great training over a couple of years, and the drive within the player, and voilà, a starting NFL player
Quote from: londonblue on March 16, 2025, 03:46:38 PMFWIW I think we have three absolute needs (through remaining free agency and the draft) as a starter. Of course we have a lengthy catalogue of positions needing either rotational pieces or upgraded depth because we are not very good:
Starters
QB
3T
RG
Rotational
OLB/Edge
NT
WR
RB
Depth
C/G
Swing T
CB
ILB
ST coverage units
My wildcard is K. Is Gano healthy and fully effective? If not can McAtamney do it? If not?
If we hit the three key needs we have a chance to be competitive if we get some luck with lower draft picks helping rotation/depth, picking up camp cuts and minimising injuries. IF!!
They do have Van Roten and Neal as potential RGs.
They do Mighty but ideally GVR is C/G depth though I like him as a solid pro. Relying on Neal is not something that makes me comfy. Draft a credible guy R2/3 and make Neal beat him out.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 16, 2025, 11:17:50 AMHere are the biggest needs I see put in three buckets
Must have
Franchise QB
3 Tech DT
Backup NT
Want to have
Offensive lineman (guard or tackle)
Edge Rusher to add to rotation
Would like to have
RB to pair with Tracy
More O-line
Another WR
ILB
Rich,
Forgive me for not knowing but what does "3 Tech" mean?
Quote from: Trench on March 16, 2025, 06:30:04 PMRich,
Forgive me for not knowing but what does "3 Tech" mean?
You usually have two defensive tackles. The larger one usually lines up over the center. That's where Dex nows plays. The other DT lines up over the guard. He is usually lighter and quicker and provides more pass rush.
If you want a more in depth explanation of the numbering system, I recommend this site.
https://www.viqtorysports.com/understanding-defensive-techniques/
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 16, 2025, 06:39:45 PMYou usually have two defensive tackles. The larger one usually lines up over the center. That's where Dex nows plays. The other DT lines up over the guard. He is usually lighter and quicker and provides more pass rush.
If you want a more in depth explanation of the numbering system, I recommend this site.
https://www.viqtorysports.com/understanding-defensive-techniques/
Thank you.
So, does "3 Tech" refer to the 2 DT we would have next to Dex?
On a side note on DT, I really liked what I saw out of Chatham last year. He's an I interesting player. Seems like he's around the ball.
I truly think RG or RT are the next most important Giants needs to fill after QB. We'll be a top 15 D team without a 3 tech DT.
Quote from: Trench on March 16, 2025, 06:55:03 PMThank you.
So, does "3 Tech" refer to the 2 DT we would have next to Dex?
On a side note on DT, I really liked what I saw out of Chatham last year. He's an I interesting player. Seems like he's around the ball.
The 3 tech is usually the players to Dex's right. The player to his left is a DE or LB acting a DE role.
Chapman and Nacho usually played the 3 tech. Burns is usually to Dex's left.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 16, 2025, 07:24:53 PMThe 3 tech is usually the players to Dex's right. The player to his left is a DE or LB acting a DE role.
Chapman and Nacho usually played the 3 tech. Burns is usually to Dex's left.
Got it thank u.
Never knew any of that.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 16, 2025, 07:01:00 PMI truly think RG or RT are the next most important Giants needs to fill after QB. We'll be a top 15 D team without a 3 tech DT.
Joe,
I'm with you here. Making a significant upgrade on the IOL will have a significant ROI IMO.
I agree a 3 technique is a need , but a lot has already been done on the defensive side of the ball.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 16, 2025, 08:10:02 PMJoe,
I'm with you here. Making a significant upgrade on the IOL will have a significant ROI IMO.
I agree a 3 technique is a need , but a lot has already been done on the defensive side of the ball.
Matt - I've got to think if they secure a QB in either round 1 or 2, they are going to give him additional resources to protect him as well as additional weapons. As you noted, their big ticket FA moves were on defense. They can afford to spend on the O and 1-2 draft picks on the OL, especially of starting caliber OL players could go a long way. Imagine say they draft a QB at 3, then go for someone like Donovan Jackson, Guard from Ohio State in round 2 then say Ozzy Trapilo, RT from Boston College in round 3. I believe both Jackson and Trapilo would be starters immediately, but if one was not, then you put JE there and let the other rookie start next to him while developing the other. They can add a dynamic RB threat such as RJ Harvey later maybe in round 5 to platoon with Tyrone Tracy. We all know it is the offense holding us back.
Garrett Bradbury cut by the Vikings. 29 years old. An upgrade over JMS?
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 16, 2025, 09:37:44 PMGarrett Bradbury cut by the Vikings. 29 years old. An upgrade over JMS?
JMS? He's hard not to be an upgrade from somewhere.. adequate at best..overpowered mostly..just really a guy.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 16, 2025, 08:47:16 PMMatt - I've got to think if they secure a QB in either round 1 or 2, they are going to give him additional resources to protect him as well as additional weapons. As you noted, their big ticket FA moves were on defense. They can afford to spend on the O and 1-2 draft picks on the OL, especially of starting caliber OL players could go a long way. Imagine say they draft a QB at 3, then go for someone like Donovan Jackson, Guard from Ohio State in round 2 then say Ozzy Trapilo, RT from Boston College in round 3. I believe both Jackson and Trapilo would be starters immediately, but if one was not, then you put JE there and let the other rookie start next to him while developing the other. They can add a dynamic RB threat such as RJ Harvey later maybe in round 5 to platoon with Tyrone Tracy. We all know it is the offense holding us back.
Your recommendation would be a draft dream come true. I'm on board with the win-win proposition of getting the QB AND two offensive linemen in the first two days and buying all-in to the future of this team.
With the rest of the draft, take care of the defensive needs and you can have Harvey (NOTE: I'd love to see Schoen and Daboll get ballsy and take a chance on Arizona State's Cam Skattebo with their fourth round pick if he's still available. Maybe even consider the Giants' third round comp pick for him. He's going to be a hell of a player for some team so why not the Giants?
Peace!
Quote from: kartanoman on March 16, 2025, 11:51:52 PMYour recommendation would be a draft dream come true. I'm on board with the win-win proposition of getting the QB AND two offensive linemen in the first two days and buying all-in to the future of this team.
With the rest of the draft, take care of the defensive needs and you can have Harvey (NOTE: I'd love to see Schoen and Daboll get ballsy and take a chance on Arizona State's Cam Skattebo with their fourth round pick if he's still available. Maybe even consider the Giants' third round comp pick for him. He's going to be a hell of a player for some team so why not the Giants?
Peace!
I think Mara realizes he erred with Daniel Jones but he also realizes he did him no favors with a porous OL. I doubt he makes that mistake again. He will push JS/BD that if they draft a QB, they load that side up to protect him. I even think if they draft say Carter or Hunter in round 1 and then draft a QB in round 2, their mindset will be the same in terms of OL help in rounds 3-4 and a dynamic offensive player in round 5 or later.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 17, 2025, 07:29:25 AMI think Mara realizes he erred with Daniel Jones but he also realizes he did him no favors with a porous OL. I doubt he makes that mistake again. He will push JS/BD that if they draft a QB, they load that side up to protect him. I even think if they draft say Carter or Hunter in round 1 and then draft a QB in round 2, their mindset will be the same in terms of OL help in rounds 3-4 and a dynamic offensive player in round 5 or later.
I see it the same way. To not to so could yield another 2024 fiasco this team cannot afford to fall into.
Peace!
With the signing of Winston and Wilson (along with a few minor signings) an updated list
Here are the biggest needs I see put in three buckets
Must have
3 Tech DT (starting caliber)
Backup NT
Want to have
Offensive lineman (guard or tackle)
Edge Rusher to add to the rotation
A developmental QB
Would like to have
RB to pair with Tracy
More O-line
Another WR
ILB
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 26, 2025, 02:28:49 PMWith the signing of Winston and Wilson (along with a few minor signings) an updated list
Here are the biggest needs I see put in three buckets
Must have
3 Tech DT (starting caliber)
Backup NT
Want to have
Offensive lineman (guard or tackle)
Edge Rusher to add to the rotation
A developmental QB
Would like to have
RB to pair with Tracy
More O-line
Another WR
ILB
I'm almost 100% in sync with you, Rich
@MightyGiants . The good news is now they have the pick of the litter to address nearly all of these and come out of the draft a more talented team WITH depth. That's about all any of us could ask for.
Bring the draft on!
Peace!
Just keep drafting BPA!!!!!
Quote from: jimc on March 26, 2025, 03:47:02 PMJust keep drafting BPA!!!!!
Fortunately DT is a strength of this draft class