Tom Pelissero
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The #Vikings have rejected multiple trade calls on J.J. McCarthy, telling other teams they're moving forward with him as their quarterback, sources say.
The team plans to add a veteran. But they're not pursuing Aaron Rodgers at this time. McCarthy now enters the offseason as QB1.
https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1902328609001390509
I've been thinking there may be a dark horse for Rodgers.
The 49ers.
Well, I guess this should push Rodgers to make a decision, which will force Schoen and company to finally make a decision.
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There is ongoing dialogue with Rodgers and the Steelers, per
@TomPelissero
: "I am told Rodgers is now aware Minnesota is going in another direction. For the Steelers, we know that they have prioritized Aaron Rodgers over potentially bringing back Russell Wilson. I am told there is ongoing dialogue between the Steelers, Rodgers' agent, as well as Rodgers himself, and various members of the organization." #Steelers #NFL
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Tom Pelissero on the ongoing Aaron Rodgers to rumored Steelers deal"
"I am told Rodgers is now aware Minnesota is going in another direction. For the Steelers, we know that they have prioritized Aaron Rodgers over potentially bringing back Russell Wilson.
I am told there is ongoing dialogue between the Steelers, Rodgers' agent, as well as Rodgers himself, and various members of the organization."
#steelersnation #NFL
https://x.com/AndrewBrandt/status/1902343777424953595
https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1902348064842453379
https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1902349429669003719
https://x.com/AlbertBreer/status/1902351542176334169
Congrats to Minnesota!
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 19, 2025, 09:23:15 AMhttps://x.com/DMRussini/status/1902349429669003719
This could lead to the nightmare scenario where we're waiting for Rodgers who is waiting for the Vikes who are waiting to see if McCarthy is ready. Meanwhile Wilson signs elsewhere and Winston goes somewhere else.
Am I reading this right? Peliserro says Rodgers to Minny is a definite no, but Russini says its still possible?
The fact thatr the Giants are not doing anything but waiting on Rodgers is so dysfunctional.
I think that Schoen and Daboll feel that maybe Rodgers can win 5 or 6 gams , ( with their schedule, probably doubtful) and they will draft a young QB and then say to Mara ," we obviously improved, and we have a QB for the future , and a lot of capital so we need more time "
I wish the Giants felt so confident in a young QB the way the Vikings do with McCarthy. They see an "it" in him. Good luck to him.
Quote from: SlotCorner on March 19, 2025, 10:05:41 AMThis could lead to the nightmare scenario where we're waiting for Rodgers who is waiting for the Vikes who are waiting to see if McCarthy is ready. Meanwhile Wilson signs elsewhere and Winston goes somewhere else.
It's only a nightmare if Schoen makes it one ;)
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So the Rodgers situation as I've been told the entire time is basically that Aaron Rodgers has let it be known through back channels so he would love to play in Minnesota. Minnesota Vikings are committed to JJ McCarthy.
McCarthy recovery has been a little bit slower than anticipated but not something that they view as a problem and they're moving forward with the idea that JJ McCarthy is going to be the starting quarterback next year.
Yes, they sat down and did a due diligence on the what if of it all, but there is no plan and no intention to sign Aaron Rodgers.
At this point in time it's smart not to say "we're never going to do it" because what if there's some setback and they can revisit that later... but as it sits JJ McCarthy is the starter has always been the plan and is the plan going forward .
It is so incredibly pathetic that we are still waiting for this stupid carousel to stop spinning and spit out whatever lame old QB we can sign for too-much money. Where is the dignity?
Quote from: PSUBeirut on March 19, 2025, 11:41:10 AMIt is so incredibly pathetic that we are still waiting for this stupid carousel to stop spinning and spit out whatever lame old QB we can sign for too-much money. Where is the dignity?
Dignity left the building when Mara opened his fat mouth about demanding the team win this season or else. Now Schoen/Daboll feel like they have to squeeze every single possible win out of this group or else they're fired. And, for reasons that remain very unclear, they seem to think Rodgers gets them an extra win that Wilson or Winston or a rookie QB would not.
Personally, I do not find him to be any better than any of the other options and he's the only one that's a card carrying lunatic. The off the field crap that he brings with him alone should disqualify him given his age and reduced ability on the field. If this was MVP Rodgers then maybe you put up with his BS but he's not that guy anymore and the fact that Daboll/Schoen are treating him like he is, after the GOD FORSAKEN JETS couldn't wait to be rid of him, is astonishing.
Quote from: PSUBeirut on March 19, 2025, 11:41:10 AMIt is so incredibly pathetic that we are still waiting for this stupid carousel to stop spinning and spit out whatever lame old QB we can sign for too-much money. Where is the dignity?
Sometimes, you have to fake it before you make it. Schoen needs to grow a pair and tell Rodgers, "not interested" and sign a QB who is.
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 19, 2025, 12:09:15 PMDignity left the building when Mara opened his fat mouth about demanding the team win this season or else. Now Schoen/Daboll feel like they have to squeeze every single possible win out of this group or else they're fired. And, for reasons that remain very unclear, they seem to think Rodgers gets them an extra win that Wilson or Winston or a rookie QB would not.
Personally, I do not find him to be any better than any of the other options and he's the only one that's a card carrying lunatic. The off the field crap that he brings with him alone should disqualify him given his age and reduced ability on the field. If this was MVP Rodgers then maybe you put up with his BS but he's not that guy anymore and the fact that Daboll/Schoen are treating him like he is, after the GOD FORSAKEN JETS couldn't wait to be rid of him, is astonishing.
Gmo,
I agree with you and most of what you say in spirit. Lord knows, I haven't held back on Mara for at least this past year if not longer.
But, I'm reminded of a line from one of my favorite movies (so apropos in this moment) it went something like: "I've been so busy trying to keep my job, I forgot to do my job, well that ends today"
Just because Mara is acting like a fool, doesn't give JS/BD a pass to do everything to hold onto their jobs at the expense of building this roster for long term success. They are paid professionals like everybody else. They get paid more than 90+% of the population.
So in my mind they have NO RIGHT to make this their own personal "let's manufacture a few more wins to hold onto our jobs for another year" that is just NOT doing your job in good faith to any of us paying customers.
Let's not forget McAdoo/Reese in 2016 vs 2017 it is in large part why we're where we are today.
JS/BD need to be bigger men than that.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 19, 2025, 12:16:46 PMSometimes, you have to fake it before you make it. Schoen needs to grow a pair and tell Rodgers, "not interested" and sign a QB who is.
Couldn't agree more!
https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1902369021560832265
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 19, 2025, 12:33:02 PMhttps://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1902369021560832265
MAKE IT STOPPPPPPPPPPPPP!! ~X( ~X( ~X(
Steelers Depot 7⃣
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Former NFL Scout John Middlekauff believes Aaron Rodgers won't save the Giants or Steelers if he signs with either: "It does feel like we're still holding on to Rodgers at 41 years old. He doesn't want to get hit and playing in the cold like it ain't gonna work. This discussion about like could he save the Steelers or what could he do with the Giants, like nothing. He's not gonna do anything." #Steelers #NFL
https://x.com/Steelersdepot/status/1902403468188643776
Quote from: PSUBeirut on March 19, 2025, 11:41:10 AMIt is so incredibly pathetic that we are still waiting for this stupid carousel to stop spinning and spit out whatever lame old QB we can sign for too-much money. Where is the dignity?
There is no dignity. Just blatant desperation. They are so needy for something to give their fans that they would prostrate themselves to a diva. Who won't do anything for the long term success of the franchise. All you can do is shake your head.
https://x.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1902412268467363925
This post has me laughing so loud it's comical. Listen to yourselves!!! I admit I put in the drama at times but we've got Giants' soap opera central going on here!
Whichever QB they eventually sign is inconsequential to the bigger picture here. We're talking about a bridge signing for a year, maybe two. Like a Kurt Warner, remember him?
The franchise QB "might" be selected next month or, which some are quietly hoping, next year when the crop is more plentiful.
I'm sure they have their plan in place and are only waiting for the right time to execute it.
Peace!
Quote from: kartanoman on March 19, 2025, 03:10:36 PMThis post has me laughing so loud it's comical. Listen to yourselves!!! I admit I put in the drama at times but we've got Giants' soap opera central going on here!
Whichever QB they eventually sign is inconsequential to the bigger picture here. We're talking about a bridge signing for a year, maybe two. Like a Kurt Warner, remember him?
The franchise QB "might" be selected next month or, which some are quietly hoping, next year when the crop is more plentiful.
I'm sure they have their plan in place and are only waiting for the right time to execute it.
Peace!
The soap opera is the NY Giants, Kart. They created it. It's sad to see. You are right. None of these QBs will change much for the team in 2025 which is why it is pathetic that they are bowing to one of them.
Is there anyone who hasn't been arrested in the NFL that has become more unlikeable than Aaron Rodgers in the last year or so?!?!?
To me he has become a toolshed whom I need to avoid online d/t the amount of vomit it produces in my mouth when I watch him/listen to him online.
Dude is going through a mid life crisis publicly and it's a shame he's going to have to look back at the short amount of time it took to tarnish a relatively good career that lasted for 20 years.
If you still want to be a QB in the NFL, eat xxxx/cash checks Aaron! Nobody gives a xxxx about what you think about anything other than throwing the damn ball to a receiver.
P.S. There's not much that can make this team any more unwatchable than they already are, but signing Aaron Rodgers and having to listen to the toolshed that he is postgame or in the media during the week is possibly the absolute worst thing that can happen to this franchise at this time!
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Aaron Rodgers lives solely in his own head. Time for JS/BD to move on.
The season ticket invoices went out in mid-January. They have you over a barrel because if you don't buy them, you forfeit your seat license. How do they not have a QB in place and expect fans to lay out the cash? Due April 1st. I wonder how many fans are still on the fence? Upper deck Seat License is only a grand, so it's not that hard to walk away.
At this point, I say we ride with Winston. He has talent and we can what sort of QB guru Daboll truly is.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 19, 2025, 05:34:03 PMThe season ticket invoices went out in mid-January. They have you over a barrel because if you don't buy them, you forfeit your seat license. How do they not have a QB in place and expect fans to lay out the cash? Due April 1st. I wonder how many fans are still on the fence? Upper deck Seat License is only a grand, so it's not that hard to walk away.
I ponied up because I had to, but if they sign Rodgers I'm selling or giving away each and every one of those tickets. And likely not renewing. I'm at about the end of my rope with Mara.
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 19, 2025, 05:44:57 PMI ponied up because I had to, but if they sign Rodgers I'm selling or giving away each and every one of those tickets. And likely not renewing. I'm at about the end of my rope with Mara.
The last year I purchased was 2019. Saved a lot of money and time. Tickets are easy enough to get if I ever want to go to a game.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 19, 2025, 05:34:03 PMThe season ticket invoices went out in mid-January. They have you over a barrel because if you don't buy them, you forfeit your seat license. How do they not have a QB in place and expect fans to lay out the cash? Due April 1st. I wonder how many fans are still on the fence? Upper deck Seat License is only a grand, so it's not that hard to walk away.
I walked away today after 63 years. Mezzanine section 229. Honestly, even if the QB drama had been resolved, I was done. As I told Mara in my letter I have already lived through one experience in the wilderness and I'm too damn old to survive another
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 19, 2025, 05:38:19 PMAt this point, I say we ride with Winston. He has talent and we can what sort of QB guru Daboll truly is.
I agree but Dobell is not going to make him more mobile
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 19, 2025, 05:34:03 PMThe season ticket invoices went out in mid-January. They have you over a barrel because if you don't buy them, you forfeit your seat license. How do they not have a QB in place and expect fans to lay out the cash? Due April 1st. I wonder how many fans are still on the fence? Upper deck Seat License is only a grand, so it's not that hard to walk away.
An opportunity for the fans to speak!
Quote from: katkavage on March 19, 2025, 03:21:38 PMThe soap opera is the NY Giants, Kart. They created it. It's sad to see. You are right. None of these QBs will change much for the team in 2025 which is why it is pathetic that they are bowing to one of them.
If the Giants were "bowing" to these quarterbacks, they would open their checkbook and aggressively outbid the competition. Instead, they have done the polar opposite of that prediction: they have exercised notable restraint, adhering to their internal projections for player value. This approach runs counter to the persistent narrative that the organization would spend recklessly due to desperation.
Thus far, Schoen's moves do not suggest an executive preoccupied with "saving his job." Instead, the front office has signed quality players to fair-market contracts without overcommitting resources—especially when contrasted with the previous regime's more extravagant spending in 2016, which saw roughly $200 million allocated to Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins, and Damon Harrison. Similarly, in 2021, Dave Gettleman's desperation culminated in about $140 million spent on players like Kenny Golladay, Adoree' Jackson, Kyle Rudolph, Devontae Booker, John Ross, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Mike Glennon, Zach Fulton, and Reggie Ragland. In contrast, Schoen appears to be operating within disciplined financial parameters, preferring to wait for the free-agent quarterback market to settle before making any definitive commitments
Ultimately, whichever quarterback the Giants select (or don't select) in free agency may have limited bearing on the team's immediate trajectory. They are prioritizing fiscal discipline and roster flexibility over splashy acquisitions. This strategy underscores the belief that one new player—particularly in a fluid QB market—will not dramatically alter the organization's long-term outlook this season, and that thoughtful, calculated transactions hold more value for the franchise's future stability.
In short, the Giants' measured approach to the quarterback position should be seen in a positive light, as it fundamentally contradicts predictions that they would spend recklessly out of desperation. Instead of hastily pouring resources into a marquee name, the front office has opted to wait and assess the free-agent market—a decision that exemplifies a disciplined strategy.
Quote from: kingm56 on March 19, 2025, 10:33:34 PMIf the Giants were "bowing" to these quarterbacks, they would open their checkbook and aggressively outbid the competition. Instead, they have done the polar opposite of that prediction: they have exercised notable restraint, adhering to their internal projections for player value. This approach runs counter to the persistent narrative that the organization would spend recklessly due to desperation.
To date, Schoen's moves do not suggest an executive preoccupied with "saving his job." Rather, the front office has signed quality players to fair-market contracts without overcommitting resources—especially when compared to the more extravagant spending spree under the previous regime in 2016, which featured approximately $200 million in total contracts for Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins, and Damon Harrison. By contrast, Schoen appears to be operating within measured financial parameters, waiting for the free-agent quarterback market to settle before making any definitive commitments.
Ultimately, whichever quarterback the Giants select (or don't select) in free agency may have limited bearing on the team's immediate trajectory. They are prioritizing fiscal discipline and roster flexibility over splashy acquisitions. This strategy underscores the belief that one new player—particularly in a fluid QB market—will not dramatically alter the organization's long-term outlook this season, and that thoughtful, calculated transactions hold more value for the franchise's future stability.
In short, the Giants' measured approach to the quarterback position should be seen in a positive light, as it fundamentally contradicts predictions that they would spend recklessly out of desperation. Instead of hastily pouring resources into a marquee name, the front office has opted to wait and assess the free-agent market—a decision that exemplifies a disciplined strategy.
Quote from: kingm56 on March 19, 2025, 10:33:34 PMIf the Giants were "bowing" to these quarterbacks, they would open their checkbook and aggressively outbid the competition. Instead, they have done the polar opposite of that prediction: they have exercised notable restraint, adhering to their internal projections for player value. This approach runs counter to the persistent narrative that the organization would spend recklessly due to desperation.
To date, Schoen's moves do not suggest an executive preoccupied with "saving his job." Rather, the front office has signed quality players to fair-market contracts without overcommitting resources—especially when compared to the more extravagant spending spree under the previous regime in 2016, which featured approximately $200 million in total contracts for Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins, and Damon Harrison. By contrast, Schoen appears to be operating within measured financial parameters, waiting for the free-agent quarterback market to settle before making any definitive commitments.
Ultimately, whichever quarterback the Giants select (or don't select) in free agency may have limited bearing on the team's immediate trajectory. They are prioritizing fiscal discipline and roster flexibility over splashy acquisitions. This strategy underscores the belief that one new player—particularly in a fluid QB market—will not dramatically alter the organization's long-term outlook this season, and that thoughtful, calculated transactions hold more value for the franchise's future stability.
In short, the Giants' measured approach to the quarterback position should be seen in a positive light, as it fundamentally contradicts predictions that they would spend recklessly out of desperation. Instead of hastily pouring resources into a marquee name, the front office has opted to wait and assess the free-agent market—a decision that exemplifies a disciplined strategy.
Excellent post. Not everyone thought JS would over shoot his mark on FA targets.
He's learned that lesson. Hopefully
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on March 19, 2025, 08:10:05 PMI agree but Dobell is not going to make him more mobile
I can't imagine Winston is any less mobile than the over the hill gang who are the alternatives.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on March 19, 2025, 10:44:40 PMExcellent post. Not everyone thought JS would over shoot his mark on FA targets.
He's learned that lesson. Hopefully
Quote from: kingm56 on March 19, 2025, 10:33:34 PMIf the Giants were "bowing" to these quarterbacks, they would open their checkbook and aggressively outbid the competition. Instead, they have done the polar opposite of that prediction: they have exercised notable restraint, adhering to their internal projections for player value. This approach runs counter to the persistent narrative that the organization would spend recklessly due to desperation.
Thus far, Schoen's moves do not suggest an executive preoccupied with "saving his job." Instead, the front office has signed quality players to fair-market contracts without overcommitting resources—especially when contrasted with the previous regime's more extravagant spending in 2016, which saw roughly $200 million allocated to Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins, and Damon Harrison. Similarly, in 2021, Dave Gettleman's desperation culminated in about $140 million spent on players like Kenny Golladay, Adoree' Jackson, Kyle Rudolph, Devontae Booker, John Ross, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Mike Glennon, Zach Fulton, and Reggie Ragland. In contrast, Schoen appears to be operating within disciplined financial parameters, preferring to wait for the free-agent quarterback market to settle before making any definitive commitments
Ultimately, whichever quarterback the Giants select (or don't select) in free agency may have limited bearing on the team's immediate trajectory. They are prioritizing fiscal discipline and roster flexibility over splashy acquisitions. This strategy underscores the belief that one new player—particularly in a fluid QB market—will not dramatically alter the organization's long-term outlook this season, and that thoughtful, calculated transactions hold more value for the franchise's future stability.
In short, the Giants' measured approach to the quarterback position should be seen in a positive light, as it fundamentally contradicts predictions that they would spend recklessly out of desperation. Instead of hastily pouring resources into a marquee name, the front office has opted to wait and assess the free-agent market—a decision that exemplifies a disciplined strategy.
I'm not sure giving 38-year old Matthew Stafford $100 million was a measured approach or a disciplined strategy. And they most certainly would have if he didn't decide to remain with the Rams. No, they need to make a splash to create interest in the team as well as retain their jobs. Where they are now in terms of the QB situation has nothing to do with a measured approach. They are waiting on the big name, Rodgers or they would have signed the other lesser names by now. And if they could, they would also trade for the number one pick sacrificing assets in draft picks this year and next. But I believe Tennessee will not make that move unless they are given the moon.
Quote from: kingm56 on March 19, 2025, 10:33:34 PMIf the Giants were "bowing" to these quarterbacks, they would open their checkbook and aggressively outbid the competition. Instead, they have done the polar opposite of that prediction: they have exercised notable restraint, adhering to their internal projections for player value. This approach runs counter to the persistent narrative that the organization would spend recklessly due to desperation.
Thus far, Schoen's moves do not suggest an executive preoccupied with "saving his job." Instead, the front office has signed quality players to fair-market contracts without overcommitting resources—especially when contrasted with the previous regime's more extravagant spending in 2016, which saw roughly $200 million allocated to Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins, and Damon Harrison. Similarly, in 2021, Dave Gettleman's desperation culminated in about $140 million spent on players like Kenny Golladay, Adoree' Jackson, Kyle Rudolph, Devontae Booker, John Ross, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Mike Glennon, Zach Fulton, and Reggie Ragland. In contrast, Schoen appears to be operating within disciplined financial parameters, preferring to wait for the free-agent quarterback market to settle before making any definitive commitments
Ultimately, whichever quarterback the Giants select (or don't select) in free agency may have limited bearing on the team's immediate trajectory. They are prioritizing fiscal discipline and roster flexibility over splashy acquisitions. This strategy underscores the belief that one new player—particularly in a fluid QB market—will not dramatically alter the organization's long-term outlook this season, and that thoughtful, calculated transactions hold more value for the franchise's future stability.
In short, the Giants' measured approach to the quarterback position should be seen in a positive light, as it fundamentally contradicts predictions that they would spend recklessly out of desperation. Instead of hastily pouring resources into a marquee name, the front office has opted to wait and assess the free-agent market—a decision that exemplifies a disciplined strategy.
I seriously wonder if their analysis at this point concludes that they woukd be comfortable drafting Ward, Sanders or Dart at 3 so they know they'll get a QB out of the draft in round 1 and are prepared to start him ala Bears and Redskins. Rookie QB on a rookie contract.
Quote from: kingm56 on March 19, 2025, 10:33:34 PMIf the Giants were "bowing" to these quarterbacks, they would open their checkbook and aggressively outbid the competition. Instead, they have done the polar opposite of that prediction: they have exercised notable restraint, adhering to their internal projections for player value. This approach runs counter to the persistent narrative that the organization would spend recklessly due to desperation.
Thus far, Schoen's moves do not suggest an executive preoccupied with "saving his job." Instead, the front office has signed quality players to fair-market contracts without overcommitting resources—especially when contrasted with the previous regime's more extravagant spending in 2016, which saw roughly $200 million allocated to Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins, and Damon Harrison. Similarly, in 2021, Dave Gettleman's desperation culminated in about $140 million spent on players like Kenny Golladay, Adoree' Jackson, Kyle Rudolph, Devontae Booker, John Ross, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Mike Glennon, Zach Fulton, and Reggie Ragland. In contrast, Schoen appears to be operating within disciplined financial parameters, preferring to wait for the free-agent quarterback market to settle before making any definitive commitments
Ultimately, whichever quarterback the Giants select (or don't select) in free agency may have limited bearing on the team's immediate trajectory. They are prioritizing fiscal discipline and roster flexibility over splashy acquisitions. This strategy underscores the belief that one new player—particularly in a fluid QB market—will not dramatically alter the organization's long-term outlook this season, and that thoughtful, calculated transactions hold more value for the franchise's future stability.
In short, the Giants' measured approach to the quarterback position should be seen in a positive light, as it fundamentally contradicts predictions that they would spend recklessly out of desperation. Instead of hastily pouring resources into a marquee name, the front office has opted to wait and assess the free-agent market—a decision that exemplifies a disciplined strategy.
I am puzzled as to what supports the claim of fiscal restraints. By all reports, the Giants have offered Rodgers the most money. Reports also indicate that the Giants were willing to meet the Rams and Stafford's price.
The only thing holding back signing the desired QB is the reality that neither (as of this posting) wanted to actually sign with the NY Giants.
The hope that waiting for Rodgers does not morph into Samuel Beckett's , " Waiting For Godot " !!!
They look like chumps if they are waiting for someone. My hope now is they settled with some options in the Draft.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 20, 2025, 08:48:22 AMThey look like chumps if they are waiting for someone. My hope now is they settled with some options in the Draft.
They need a QB now along with a draft pick. There are QBs available now. Why haven't they signed one? What is holding them back?
To me the optics are terrible. The odds don't seem good that the Giants will get Rodgers. Yet, because they waited for him, whoever is signed instead of Rodgers will clearly be the team's 3rd choice (or 2nd if you are not sold on the idea that Stafford was the team's first choice). That isn't ideal for the Qb that is signed, coming in as the team's clear plan C.
Quote from: katkavage on March 20, 2025, 07:04:49 AMI'm not sure giving 38-year old Matthew Stafford $100 million was a measured approach or a disciplined strategy. And they most certainly would have if he didn't decide to remain with the Rams. No, they need to make a splash to create interest in the team as well as retain their jobs. Where they are now in terms of the QB situation has nothing to do with a measured approach. They are waiting on the big name, Rodgers or they would have signed the other lesser names by now. And if they could, they would also trade for the number one pick sacrificing assets in draft picks this year and next. But I believe Tennessee will not make that move unless they are given the moon.
So, you're resorting to hypotheticals to maintain your false narrative? Let's address the actual facts. The Giants neither offered Matthew Stafford a $100 million contract nor gave up any draft capital to acquire him. Contrary to your predictions, none of these supposed scenarios have materialized. In fact, quite the opposite is true: Schoen has not mortgaged the Giants' future in an effort to save his job; instead, his measured strategy has focused on sustainable roster-building. The significant players acquired are young with potential upside—it would be more constructive to acknowledge that your dire predictions have not come to pass. Instead, the Giants have positioned themselves for ongoing development rather than short-term desperation. The fact that you resorted to a hypothetical scenario should be sufficient evidence that your assertions regarding Schoen's motivations and actions were unfounded.
Quote from: katkavage on March 20, 2025, 07:04:49 AMI'm not sure giving 38-year old Matthew Stafford $100 million was a measured approach or a disciplined strategy. And they most certainly would have if he didn't decide to remain with the Rams. No, they need to make a splash to create interest in the team as well as retain their jobs. Where they are now in terms of the QB situation has nothing to do with a measured approach. They are waiting on the big name, Rodgers or they would have signed the other lesser names by now. And if they could, they would also trade for the number one pick sacrificing assets in draft picks this year and next. But I believe Tennessee will not make that move unless they are given the moon.
This could very well be the case. A name like Rodgers would hold fan interest. I have to wonder if they are concerned about losing Season Ticket Fans based on early returns. Merchandise sales would certainly pick up. Right up until the point he gets Schoen and Daboll fired.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 20, 2025, 09:44:52 AMThis could very well be the case. A name like Rodgers would hold fan interest. I have to wonder if they are concerned about losing Season Ticket Fans based on early returns. Merchandise sales would certainly pick up. Right up until the point he gets Schoen and Daboll fired.
Based on the reactions I have seen here, I wonder if Rodgers would cost as many fans as he would gain.
Quote from: kartanoman on March 19, 2025, 08:11:26 PMAn opportunity for the fans to speak!
It says so much more than a plane banner.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 20, 2025, 09:47:30 AMBased on the reactions I have seen here, I wonder if Rodgers would cost as many fans as he would gain.
It could and I would expect it. However, if I measure fan interest based on our site's metrics, February posts are down 23% from 2024 and down 32% from 2023, and... sit down for this one...down 52% from 2022.
If it wasn't for you Rich, posting new topics every day to create conversation, this site would be dead. Not because of the site, but for lack of interest and having general disgust in this organization.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 20, 2025, 09:44:52 AMThis could very well be the case. A name like Rodgers would hold fan interest. I have to wonder if they are concerned about losing Season Ticket Fans based on early returns. Merchandise sales would certainly pick up. Right up until the point he gets Schoen and Daboll fired.
In today's NFL landscape, where ticket exchanges and other lucrative revenue streams abound, I believe this particular point is no longer relevant. Regardless of on-field performance, that seat will be sold. Notably, the Washington Commanders, New York Jets, Chicago Bears, and Houston Texans are all among the most valuable franchises in the league, even though they have collectively endured multiple seasons of subpar play. Those seats were sold...
Quote from: kingm56 on March 20, 2025, 09:38:57 AMSo, you're resorting to hypotheticals to maintain your false narrative? Let's address the actual facts. The Giants neither offered Matthew Stafford a $100 million contract nor gave up any draft capital to acquire him. Contrary to your predictions, none of these supposed scenarios have materialized. In fact, quite the opposite is true: Schoen has not mortgaged the Giants' future in an effort to save his job; instead, his measured strategy has focused on sustainable roster-building. The significant players acquired are young with potential upside—it would be more constructive to acknowledge that your dire predictions have not come to pass. Instead, the Giants have positioned themselves for ongoing development rather than short-term desperation. The fact that you resorted to a hypothetical scenario should be sufficient evidence that your assertions regarding Schoen's motivations and actions were unfounded.
I would be more inclined to agree with this if it wasn't abundantly clear that they are allowing Aaron Freaking Rodgers of all people to hold their team hostage. Stafford would have been different as that guy is still very good. He damn near beat the Eagles last year in the playoffs which would have been surreal. I'd have understood bringing that guy onto this roster and taking a run at it, but he didn't want to go to NY and I don't blame him. LA is nice.
At this point if you want a vet, Wilson is ready to sign. Winston is wandering around doing Winston things he'd sign if you offered something. Or if you are ready to roll with a rookie whoever that rookie might be, then GREAT! Do that! But sitting around with your thumb up your ass while we await the decisions of a crazy person is, in fact, equally crazy.
On the whole I've liked Schoen a lot. I like the way he's built this roster particularly given the dumpster fire he was handed by Gettleman. Not perfect but overall this roster is not that bad right now. But this is one thing I really can't defend. There's no need for Rodgers to infect this team like the virus that he is. He's not even good anymore.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 20, 2025, 09:57:45 AMIt could and I would expect it. However, if I measure fan interest based on our site's metrics, February posts are down 23% from 2024 and down 32% from 2023, and... sit down for this one...down 52% from 2022.
If it wasn't for you Rich, posting new topics every day to create conversation, this site would be dead. Not because of the site, but for lack of interest and having general disgust in this organization.
I wonder if that will change when the Giants draft a QB, presumably with their 3rd pick. Will Sanders (who I think is the favorite for the QB the Giants draft) re-ignite the lost passions of the fanbase?
Quote from: kingm56 on March 20, 2025, 09:59:41 AMIn today's NFL landscape, where ticket exchanges and other lucrative revenue streams abound, I believe this particular point is no longer relevant. Regardless of on-field performance, that seat will be sold. Notably, the Washington Commanders, New York Jets, Chicago Bears, and Houston Texans are all among the most valuable franchises in the league, even though they have collectively endured multiple seasons of subpar play. Those seats were sold...
If you think John Mara doesn't care about losing his own fan base, then I have to strongly disagree with you.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 20, 2025, 10:02:46 AMI wonder if that will change when the Giants draft a QB, presumably with their 3rd pick. Will Sanders (who I think is the favorite for the QB the Giants draft) re-ignite the lost passions of the fanbase?
Sanders would be a media pick and quite transparent to me. He's not going to be their best choice unless Ward and Dart are off the table.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 20, 2025, 10:02:46 AMI wonder if that will change when the Giants draft a QB, presumably with their 3rd pick. Will Sanders (who I think is the favorite for the QB the Giants draft) re-ignite the lost passions of the fanbase?
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@Ed Vette 's point, Rich
@MightyGiants , your post above is enough to start/restart the conversation even though there's a dedicated thread on that very subject (i.e. Sanders and QB situation).
But I agree with Ed and continue to be grateful for all your efforts in posting a wide variety of Giants and football-related topics for us to comment on.
Peace!
Quote from: kingm56 on March 19, 2025, 10:33:34 PMIf the Giants were "bowing" to these quarterbacks, they would open their checkbook and aggressively outbid the competition. Instead, they have done the polar opposite of that prediction: they have exercised notable restraint, adhering to their internal projections for player value. This approach runs counter to the persistent narrative that the organization would spend recklessly due to desperation.
Thus far, Schoen's moves do not suggest an executive preoccupied with "saving his job." Instead, the front office has signed quality players to fair-market contracts without overcommitting resources—especially when contrasted with the previous regime's more extravagant spending in 2016, which saw roughly $200 million allocated to Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins, and Damon Harrison. Similarly, in 2021, Dave Gettleman's desperation culminated in about $140 million spent on players like Kenny Golladay, Adoree' Jackson, Kyle Rudolph, Devontae Booker, John Ross, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Mike Glennon, Zach Fulton, and Reggie Ragland. In contrast, Schoen appears to be operating within disciplined financial parameters, preferring to wait for the free-agent quarterback market to settle before making any definitive commitments
Ultimately, whichever quarterback the Giants select (or don't select) in free agency may have limited bearing on the team's immediate trajectory. They are prioritizing fiscal discipline and roster flexibility over splashy acquisitions. This strategy underscores the belief that one new player—particularly in a fluid QB market—will not dramatically alter the organization's long-term outlook this season, and that thoughtful, calculated transactions hold more value for the franchise's future stability.
In short, the Giants' measured approach to the quarterback position should be seen in a positive light, as it fundamentally contradicts predictions that they would spend recklessly out of desperation. Instead of hastily pouring resources into a marquee name, the front office has opted to wait and assess the free-agent market—a decision that exemplifies a disciplined strategy.
This was an excellent post, free of emotion and frustration.
I have been firmly in Schoen's and Daboll's camp but not blindly. It's difficult to not believe the "reports" that have come out expressing the Giants' interest in Rodgers but I also know that this is the smokescreen season. To my knowledge, only Wilson, Flacco, and Winston have been brought in to see the Giants. Now, that doesn't mean that Schoen couldn't have spoken with Rodgers and his reps via calls or in-person, a la Stafford. I'm on the fence as to what to believe.
I've gone on record that I don't want Rodgers. My support for Schoen/Daboll is primarily contingent on their want for Rodgers. If they get him, I'm done. If it turns out they tried and missed, I'm probably done as well.
Quote from: katkavage on March 20, 2025, 09:00:17 AMThey need a QB now along with a draft pick. There are QBs available now. Why haven't they signed one? What is holding them back?
Why do they need a QB now? They can draft one and get a veteran after cuts.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 20, 2025, 10:15:05 AMWhy do they need a QB now? They can draft one and get after cuts.
They can. Unless one they might want signs with another team before the draft further limiting their options. Why wait if you know all those who are available now? The only reason that makes any sense is that they are waiting on Rodgers as are the Steelers. But the Steelers are a playoff team. The Giants are a three win team with coach and GM on the hot seat.
Quote from: katkavage on March 20, 2025, 10:29:58 AMThey can. Unless one they might want signs with another team before the draft further limiting their options. Why wait if you know all those who are available now? The only reason that makes any sense is that they are waiting on Rodgers as are the Steelers. But the Steelers are a playoff team. The Giants are a three win team with coach and GM on the hot seat.
They will not be a competitive team next year regardless of who plays QB. They lack depth almost everywhere plus have marginal starting talent.
OL starters below average and subs are awful. Lose Nabers and marginal WR corps. Lose Tracy and nothing. I can keep going.
I say focus on draft to find QB and play him next year and use other draft picks to get more starting talent. Find a QB after cuts but play the kid.
We are not at the 1 yard line from being a competitive playoff team no matter what the optimists here say.
If our drafted QB is terrible, we go into 2026 Draft looking again as we will then be a likely 3 win team and able to pick high. Think Eagles. Crash then build.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 20, 2025, 10:53:31 AMThey will not be a competitive team next year regardless of who plays QB. They lack depth almost everywhere plus have marginal starting talent.
OL starters below average and subs are awful. Lose Nabers and marginal WR corps. Lose Tracy and nothing. I can keep going.
I say focus on draft to find QB and play him next year and use other draft picks to get more starting talent. Find a QB after cuts but play the kid.
We are not at the 1 yard line from being a competitive playoff team no matter what the optimists here say.
If our drafted QB is terrible, we go into 2026 Draft looking again as we will then be a likely 3 win team and able to pick high. Think Eagles. Crash then build.
I agree with all that. My response is to why they are waiting. I don't care when they sign that back up, but they are obviously waiting on Rodgers because maybe, just maybe he can save their jobs.
They are not close to being a QB away from competing. That's the reality.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 20, 2025, 10:53:31 AMThey will not be a competitive team next year regardless of who plays QB. They lack depth almost everywhere plus have marginal starting talent.
OL starters below average and subs are awful. Lose Nabers and marginal WR corps. Lose Tracy and nothing. I can keep going.
I say focus on draft to find QB and play him next year and use other draft picks to get more starting talent. Find a QB after cuts but play the kid.
We are not at the 1 yard line from being a competitive playoff team no matter what the optimists here say.
If our drafted QB is terrible, we go into 2026 Draft looking again as we will then be a likely 3 win team and able to pick high. Think Eagles. Crash then build.
Play the kid regardless of whether he is ready or not? I agree that 2025 isn't going to be a stellar season and although they may go to the playoffs via wildcard, it's not going far. Don't you think it would be wise to have a veteran who can start while they break the kid in and to set the example of how to prepare? Otherwise, if you want to see who's left, I would stick with Drew Lock and marry the kid to his QB Coach.
At this point we should just draft a QB and hope he's Daniels and start him day 1
And to think that the Giants are NOT waiting on Rodgers is crazy work.... It seems like they arent 'wasting" money right now.... but it is abundantly clear that the Giants are just waiting to SPEND that money.... they want Rodgers and its easy as hell to see.... so no... they are NOT being prudent with money
I think it would be funny if Giants and Steelers both say "I'm out" and move on, at this point.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 20, 2025, 10:06:54 AMIf you think John Mara doesn't care about losing his own fan base, then I have to strongly disagree with you.
John Mara's primary concern lies in preserving and increasing the overall valuation of his franchise—a goal in which he has clearly succeeded. According to recent Forbes valuations, the New York Giants have ascended to become the fourth most valuable NFL team, estimated at over USD 6 billion, despite underperforming on the field for much of the past decade.
Moreover, the idea that the Giants risk losing their fan base by failing to acquire a particular quarterback is largely rooted in fan sentiment rather than empirical evidence. Consider the franchise's closest local comparison: the New York Jets. Despite not fielding a stable, high-caliber quarterback in decades, the Jets maintain robust ticket sales and currently rank among the top ten most valuable franchises in the league—recent estimates place them at around USD 5.4 billion. A similar situation exists for the Chicago Bears, who have not had a consistently strong quarterback in well over a decade; yet, they regularly sell out home games and sit comfortably near the top ten in franchise valuations (over USD 5.8 billion).
In a league structured around revenue sharing and powered by lucrative broadcasting and licensing deals, the market for tickets remains strong regardless of on-field success. If one fan decides not to purchase season tickets, another will, potentially as a profitable resale opportunity. In short, the Giants—and other historically robust franchises—retain a consistently high market valuation due to substantial, diversified revenue streams that are not strictly tied to wins, losses, or the identity of the starting quarterback.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 20, 2025, 11:40:04 AMPlay the kid regardless of whether he is ready or not? I agree that 2025 isn't going to be a stellar season and although they may go to the playoffs via wildcard, it's not going far. Don't you think it would be wise to have a veteran who can start while they break the kid in and to set the example of how to prepare? Otherwise, if you want to see who's left, I would stick with Drew Lock and marry the kid to his QB Coach.
I said play him. Maybe not game 1 if not ready but by game 6 yes and he better be ready because that's why he was drafted at 3. If he's a 4th round pick, I agree to give him more time. I dont care if it's Drew Lock. Aaron Rodgers was very frustrated playing behind the Jets OL. Wait til he plays behind the Giants. We are not built to compete now so save the money that Rodgers and others expect.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 20, 2025, 10:15:05 AMWhy do they need a QB now? They can draft one and get a veteran after cuts.
Exactly, Brother. Other than appeasing the fan base, there is absolutely no strategic reason to sign a bridge quarterback at this time.
Quote from: kingm56 on March 20, 2025, 02:24:56 PMExactly, Brother. Other than appeasing the fan base, there is absolutely no strategic reason to sign a bridge quarterback at this time.
Oh they want to appease the fan base that's why they are waiting. They want Rodgers. They very much wanted Stafford. Their play is so obvious. Other than Rodgers, you are right. If Rogers said, I want to play for the Giants, they would sign him yesterday. Desperation knows no bounds.
Quote from: katkavage on March 20, 2025, 02:27:36 PMOh they want to appease the fan base that's why they are waiting. They want Rodgers. They very much wanted Stafford. Their play is so obvious. Other than Rodgers, you are right. If Rogers said, I want to play for the Giants, they would sign him yesterday. Desperation knows no bounds.
If Vikings didnt have JJ, Stafford would be perfect for a win now team loke them. Not for the Giants.
Quote from: katkavage on March 20, 2025, 02:27:36 PMOh they want to appease the fan base that's why they are waiting. They want Rodgers. They very much wanted Stafford. Their play is so obvious. Other than Rodgers, you are right. If Rogers said, I want to play for the Giants, they would sign him yesterday. Desperation knows no bounds.
If the Giants "very much wanted Stafford", he would be wearing blue. However, the organization's willingness to walk away—evidenced by the Los Angeles Rams ultimately extending Stafford on a four-year, $160 million deal—shows the Giants held firm to a preset valuation and refused to exceed it. Thus, it's more accurate to claim "the Giants wanted them at a specific price." The same principle applies to any Rodgers discussions; if their sole goal were to appease fans by securing a marquee quarterback, they would simply outbid other teams, regardless of cap impact or future ramifications. Instead, they have demonstrated measured restraint, which runs entirely counter to your persistent claims hat they are acting out of desperation. Consequently, your ongoing critiques of Schoen's offseason performance seem unfounded, given the organization's commitment to securing young, ascending players, rather than short-sighted attempts at a quick fix. Isn't that reason for some positivity? I actually appreciate the Giants restraint, as it applies to the FA QBs.
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Quote from: kingm56 on March 20, 2025, 07:06:04 PMIf the Giants "very much wanted Stafford", he would be wearing blue. However, the organization's willingness to walk away—evidenced by the Los Angeles Rams ultimately extending Stafford on a four-year, $160 million deal—shows the Giants held firm to a preset valuation and refused to exceed it. Thus, it's more accurate to claim "the Giants wanted them at a specific price." The same principle applies to any Rodgers discussions; if their sole goal were to appease fans by securing a marquee quarterback, they would simply outbid other teams, regardless of cap impact or future ramifications. Instead, they have demonstrated measured restraint, which runs entirely counter to your persistent claims hat they are acting out of desperation. Consequently, your ongoing critiques of Schoen's offseason performance seem unfounded, given the organization's commitment to securing young, ascending players, rather than short-sighted attempts at a quick fix. Isn't that reason for some positivity? I actually appreciate the Giants restraint, as it applies to the FA QBs.
Sounds like you are ensconced in the Giants bubble. And actually I like the free agency approach as it pertains to the defense. It was nice of the Giants to let Stafford use them as leverage knowing he was never coming here. He should send a thank you note
Quote from: katkavage on March 20, 2025, 07:37:31 PMI am Sounds like you are ensconced in the Giants bubble. And actually I like the free agency approach as it pertains to the defense. It was nice of the Giants to let Stafford use them as leverage knowing he was never coming here. He should send a thank you note
"According to NFL Network host Rich Eisen, the Giants not only matched the Rams' trade demands for Stafford, they also offered him a more lucrative contract than the deal he signed with Los Angeles. Despite that, Stafford chose to return to the Rams."
https://www.si.com/nfl/matthew-stafford-rejected-lucrative-offer-from-giants-stay-with-rams-rich-eisen#:~:text=According%20to%20NFL%20Network%20host,to%20return%20to%20the%20Rams.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 21, 2025, 07:06:43 AM"According to NFL Network host Rich Eisen, the Giants not only matched the Rams' trade demands for Stafford, they also offered him a more lucrative contract than the deal he signed with Los Angeles. Despite that, Stafford chose to return to the Rams."
https://www.si.com/nfl/matthew-stafford-rejected-lucrative-offer-from-giants-stay-with-rams-rich-eisen#:~:text=According%20to%20NFL%20Network%20host,to%20return%20to%20the%20Rams.
I agree the Giants were Stafford's pawn. His age, playing the second half of the season in the cold, and the Giants' patchwork offensive line were too much for him to truly consider leaving California.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 21, 2025, 07:06:43 AM"According to NFL Network host Rich Eisen, the Giants not only matched the Rams' trade demands for Stafford, they also offered him a more lucrative contract than the deal he signed with Los Angeles. Despite that, Stafford chose to return to the Rams."
https://www.si.com/nfl/matthew-stafford-rejected-lucrative-offer-from-giants-stay-with-rams-rich-eisen#:~:text=According%20to%20NFL%20Network%20host,to%20return%20to%20the%20Rams.
Yeah, I don't know where King was getting his facts. I heard the same thing. I think we just have to understand where they are in their QB search. They wanted Stafford badly. Missed on him. They want Rodgers badly or they would, like the Vikings, have said no thanks. They aren't showing any fiscal restraint. There has been no money offer to Rodgers as far as I know. They and Pittsburgh are just waiting for him to decide. I'm a Giant fan, but the desperation for the QB is pretty obvious.
Quote from: kingm56 on March 20, 2025, 07:06:04 PMIf the Giants "very much wanted Stafford", he would be wearing blue.
I don't understand how such claims can be made. To make such a claim ignores the harsh reality that the Giants are not a desirable destination, especially for an aging QB.
High taxes and cost of living
Cold, windy, and frequently wet playing conditions
Poor protection
Unstable HC and GM situation
3rd worst team in the NFL
Just take the Stafford situation. He was fine using the Giants for financial leverage, but you need to figure out why he would leave a stable team in sunny LA that just was in the playoffs, with a great coach to come play for the Giants.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 21, 2025, 07:59:10 AMI don't understand how such claims can be made. To make such a claim ignores the harsh reality that the Giants are not a desirable destination, especially for an aging QB.
High taxes and cost of living
Cold, windy, and frequently wet playing conditions
Poor protection
Unstable HC and GM situation
3rd worst team in the NFL
Just take the Stafford situation. He was fine using the Giants for financial leverage, but you need to figure out why he would leave a stable team in sunny LA that just was in the playoffs, with a great coach to come play for the Giants.
You simply cannot underestimate how much a GM/HC on the hot seat has on a veteran looking at his options. He is at the point in his career where he has options and something like this, he would really consider. It might be one thing if he is from NJ and wants to settle down here post playing career, but that is not the case.
How is this even a conversation it is literally a FACT that the Giants are willing to spend the money on a QB .... Joe is not being conscious of the cap .... he missed out on Stafford and he most likely WANTS to pay Rodgers ... but Rodgers is making everyone wait ... the fact that we haven't signed anyone yet does not prove that he is not pressed for a QB it actually proves that he wants to pay for the best one out there .... if he doesn't want Rodgers that bad ... Wilson, Flacco or Winston would be our QB1 right now
Its not even a debate lol .. its pure facts at this point
Quote from: killarich on March 21, 2025, 09:00:29 AMHow is this even a conversation it is literally a FACT that the Giants are willing to spend the money on a QB .... Joe is not being conscious of the cap .... he missed out on Stafford and he most likely WANTS to pay Rodgers ... but Rodgers is making everyone wait ... the fact that we haven't signed anyone yet does not prove that he is not pressed for a QB it actually proves that he wants to pay for the best one out there .... if he doesn't want Rodgers that bad ... Wilson, Flacco or Winston would be our QB1 right now
Its not even a debate lol .. its pure facts at this point
Listening to the insiders, it doesn't even sound like the Giants (who are reported to have a standing offer to Rodgers) are in the running. It makes sense, Rodgers (at age 41) is looking to go out on a higher note than his final two seasons with the Jets. The Giants don't offer much of a chance to improve on how things went for Rodgers with the Jets. Only the Vikings and maybe the Steelers offer up much hope of Rodgers ending his career on a higher note.
Quote from: killarich on March 21, 2025, 09:00:29 AMHow is this even a conversation it is literally a FACT that the Giants are willing to spend the money on a QB .... Joe is not being conscious of the cap .... he missed out on Stafford and he most likely WANTS to pay Rodgers ... but Rodgers is making everyone wait ... the fact that we haven't signed anyone yet does not prove that he is not pressed for a QB it actually proves that he wants to pay for the best one out there .... if he doesn't want Rodgers that bad ... Wilson, Flacco or Winston would be our QB1 right now
Its not even a debate lol .. its pure facts at this point
I think Rodgers is playing the Giants just like Stafford did. If not Minnesota, its Pittsburgh for him. He would be nuts to end his career here.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 21, 2025, 09:06:19 AMI think Rodgers is playing the Giants just like Stafford did. If not Minnesota, its Pittsburgh for him. He would be nuts to end his career here.
Yea but he actually is nuts so anything is possible. Which is why this whole situation is pissing me off. There's no discernible reason why the Giants should even be sniffing around that idiot let alone waiting for him to choose his next destination like he's the damn bachelor. The Jets (JETS!!) could not wait to be rid of him. But the Giants are willing to wait this out. It is idiotic.
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 21, 2025, 09:08:55 AMYea but he actually is nuts so anything is possible. Which is why this whole situation is pissing me off. There's no discernible reason why the Giants should even be sniffing around that idiot let alone waiting for him to choose his next destination like he's the damn bachelor. The Jets (JETS!!) could not wait to be rid of him. But the Giants are willing to wait this out. It is idiotic.
It's a strange circle of life in the NFL
The Jets got rid of Rodgers to sign Fields
The Steelers let Fields walk while hoping to sign Rodgers
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The Giants continued futile pursuit of Rodgers may be a new low. Embarrassing and empty headed.. desperate..and doomed. Sign either Winston or Flacco..take your lumps this year while building through the draft. If Schoen would take that approach and hit on several starters this draft and perhaps find a QB later...a chance he could save his job. Daboll too if they show potential during the campaign.
But Rodgers or Wilson get them nowhere. What 6...7 wins? At least Winston would bring some juice to the offense.
I don't think they'll survive, however. Another double digit loss season is very likely and patience with Mara has run out.
I still have this strange sense that he's going to come out of all this wearing a 49ers uniform.
That's not to say Rodgers was a slouch last season. He tossed the eighth most passing yards (3,897) and passing touchdowns (28) in the league, threw 11 interceptions, and had the 18th best Pro Football Focus quarterback grade (77.8).
He would be the best QB the Giants have seen in quite some time. But again: The talent gap between him and their Plan B free agent option isn't that big.
Wilson, for instance, can still sling it at 36 years old. He completed 63.7% of his throws for 2,482 yards and 16 touchdowns in 11 starts for the Steelers, and ranked two spots behind Rodgers in PFF's rankings (77.5). Wilson also had more deep-ball success, completing 54% of passes 20-plus yards (compared to Rodgers' 39%). Surely stud receiver Malik Nabers would appreciate that after dealing with a starting trio of Daniel Jones, Drew Lock and Tommy DeVito in 2024.
Things would start to look dire if they strike out on Wilson.
Next in line is Winston, who finished with 2,121 passing yards, 13 touchdowns and 12 interceptions. This statline is par the course for a QB who once tossed 33 touchdowns and 30 interceptions in a single season. He was PFF's 31st ranked QB with a 73.8 grade and a 37.1% completion percentage on deep balls (with 7 touchdowns and 3 interceptions). He might be the youngest option of the bunch, but that certainly doesn't mean he's the best.
Their last resort is 40-year-old Flacco, the NFL's Comeback Player of the Year just two years ago who has fallen off a cliff since then. Flacco posted a 2-4 record, 1,761 passing yards and a 12-7 touchdown-interception ratio in eight appearances with the Colts last season. He had the 35th best PFF QB grade (71.6) with a grade of 67.2 when he tried to throw it deep. Again, he isn't completely washed, but he's probably not turning them into overnight playoff contenders.
https://www.nj.com/giants/2025/03/is-aaron-rodgers-even-worth-waiting-for-how-he-stacks-up-against-other-giants-qb-options.html
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 21, 2025, 09:06:19 AMI think Rodgers is playing the Giants just like Stafford did. If not Minnesota, its Pittsburgh for him. He would be nuts to end his career here.
I actually think the Giants would be the best spot for him out of us and the steelers. Arthur Smith loves to run the ball and isn't especially creative with passing concepts. You have a diva, and Metcalf but not much else. They don't have a RB and their oline isn't great. At least the Giants can say we have a 3 deep at wr with Nabers, and if Rodgers signs, we could sell him on pairing hunter with Nabers, and when our oline was healthy it was solid in 2024, and we have an RB duo with a young lead back, the best blocking TE in the league, and a young athletic pass catcher at TE and could add more talent in the draft.
That's before you even get to the fact that we are in an easier NFC, and he already has a place here. He'd also be paired with Daboll who seems to be more collaborative whereas Tomlin and Smith liklelt won't be.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 21, 2025, 11:29:54 AMI actually think the Giants would be the best spot for him out of us and the steelers. Arthur Smith loves to run the ball and isn't especially creative with passing concepts. You have a diva, and Metcalf but not much else. They don't have a RB and their oline isn't great. At least the Giants can say we have a 3 deep at wr with Nabers, and if Rodgers signs, we could sell him on pairing hunter with Nabers, and when our oline was healthy it was solid in 2024, and we have an RB duo with a young lead back, the best blocking TE in the league, and a young athletic pass catcher at TE and could add more talent in the draft.
That's before you even get to the fact that we are in an easier NFC, and he already has a place here. He'd also be paired with Daboll who seems to be more collaborative whereas Tomlin and Smith liklelt won't be.
It's a serious risk because the GM and HC may not be here next season if they even last this one. The Steelers are a solid organization with a winning track record. Just one losing season in the last 21 seasons. But if you believe differently, that's your prerogative. But you will never represent me as an Agent. lol
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 21, 2025, 12:38:36 PMIt's a serious risk because the GM and HC may not be here next season if they even last this one. The Steelers are a solid organization with a winning track record. Just one losing season in the last 21 seasons. But if you believe differently, that's your prerogative. But you will never represent me as an Agent. lol
No I agree that the steelers are the safer organization by a mile. With Rodgers the steelers likely do their same 8-9 win season, but if Rodgers gets 8-9 wins out of a Giants team, I think that challenge/boost to his ego might go along way.
According to NFL.com Rodgers is visiting the Steelers again today.
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 21, 2025, 01:18:00 PMAccording to NFL.com Rodgers is visiting the Steelers again today.
https://x.com/AlbertBreer/status/1903134418828493018
https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1903132685825896871
https://x.com/gerrydulac/status/1903132180303274128
I actually don't mind us waiting, people may seem it as desperate, but I see it as the Giants not wanting to tip their hand whether it's trading for a guy, signing rodgers/Wilson, or drafting a guy. The draft is upcoming, so why show people your hand in advance. It seems like we're going to get one of Rodgers/Wilson, so why rush?
Schoen loves to trade for players when he has an extra 2nd, or 3rd. He has done it every year he's had one, so be on the look out for a potential trade of a qb on another roster currently.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 21, 2025, 01:20:07 PMhttps://x.com/AlbertBreer/status/1903134418828493018
https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1903132685825896871
https://x.com/gerrydulac/status/1903129625481433580
Don't let him leave without a contract Tomlin! Please!
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 21, 2025, 01:26:53 PMDon't let him leave without a contract Tomlin! Please!
That's my hope, let's take Rodgers off the table. It will be doing Schoen a favor.
To paraphrase Gerald Ford...can our long national nightmare finally be close to over?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 21, 2025, 01:04:02 PMNo I agree that the steelers are the safer organization by a mile. With Rodgers the steelers likely do their same 8-9 win season, but if Rodgers gets 8-9 wins out of a Giants team, I think that challenge/boost to his ego might go along way.
Actually, the Steelers have averaged 10 wins the last 5 seasons. When is the last time the Giants sniffed 10 wins? The Steelers are also the 8th ranked offense and the 4th ranked defense by PFF Metrics. They need some help in the secondary and pass blocking, like the Giants.
Mike Tomlin is 183-107-2 in Regular Season games, with 19 Playoff appearances and 2 SB appearances, winning one. He's never had a losing season. They never replaced Big Ben with a true franchise QB.
Daboll is 17-24-1.
Aaron Rodgers is their best chance at taking the Steelers to the playoffs.
I hope he signs with them, the more I thought about it the more I rather have Wilson. He still has one of the better deep balls... keeping the core intact with Nabers, Slayton and even Hyatt. They can all benefit from an accurate deep ball.
I think Wilson is the better fit after thinking it over
https://x.com/AlbertBreer/status/1903140159937450230
Simply dont see Tomlin putting up with his drama.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 21, 2025, 02:00:59 PMSimply dont see Tomlin putting up with his drama.
Tomlin won't take any xxxx from him, and he won't be intimidated. He's a future HOF Head Coach, and that speaks for itself.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 21, 2025, 01:26:28 PMI actually don't mind us waiting, people may seem it as desperate, but I see it as the Giants not wanting to tip their hand whether it's trading for a guy, signing rodgers/Wilson, or drafting a guy. The draft is upcoming, so why show people your hand in advance. It seems like we're going to get one of Rodgers/Wilson, so why rush?
Schoen loves to trade for players when he has an extra 2nd, or 3rd. He has done it every year he's had one, so be on the look out for a potential trade of a qb on another roster currently.
They really only need a veteran QB on the roster by draft time and we're still a month away from that. An emotional response to Rodgers very predictably taking time with his decision should not affect what is a purely business decision. They haven't hamstrung themselves by waiting for him... yet.
https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1903166035227799873
https://x.com/gerrydulac/status/1903170057376584191
https://x.com/AlbertBreer/status/1903170820530135395
https://x.com/patricia_traina/status/1903182217234247704?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1903181208239902998?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
https://x.com/albertbreer/status/1903202067000508782?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Did Rodgers even meet with Giants?
If not, screw him!...move on
https://x.com/mikegarafolo/status/1903233297485877743?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
I said it in another thread. But Wilson and Winston would be an amazing tandem to have to help groom a rookie QB
https://x.com/bobbyskinner_/status/1903233813704028622?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ