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I kinda like all of them to be honest.
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so the Lions want to get rid of auto first downs for defensive holding & illegal contact penalties
I wonder why that is?
it's because the Lions commit, by far, the most of these penalties in the NFL
#1 most
this rule change would disproportionally help them as compared to other teams
ESPECIALLY as compared to the NFC North
# of penalties called last 2 years:
26 - DET (#1)
16 - GB (#15)
9 - CHI (#30)
6 - MIN (#32)
their high rates of man coverage lead to more of these being called
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I wish someone would propose making Defensive Pass Interference a 15 Yd penalty instead of a spot foul.
I like all the proposed changes with the exception of a 15 minute OT period. I mean, they're playing 17 games, soon to be 18 games and now an expansion to 15 min OT? That's too much.
P.S. I wish they would go back to a 16 game regular season.
The problem isn't the tush push. It's helping a runner forward anywhere on the field. How many times do we see a player stopped, only to see the offensive linemen rush upfield to push everyone forward like a rugby scrum. I think that penalty was removed around 2008. It should come back.
As for defensive holding, it's absolutely ridiculous that you could have a third and twenty and a hold gives the offense a first down. So while I'm not sure i support the lions position entirely, I think there should be a middle ground. Maybe it's an automatic first down if it's less than ten yards to go, and maybe it's a ten yard penalty if it's more than ten yards for a first down. I haven't thought about it a ton, but maybe something like that.
Quote from: ViewFromSection129 on March 19, 2025, 01:34:10 PMThe problem isn't the tush push. It's helping a runner forward anywhere on the field. How many times do we see a player stopped, only to see the offensive linemen rush upfield to push everyone forward like a rugby scrum. I think that penalty was removed around 2008. It should come back.
As for defensive holding, it's absolutely ridiculous that you could have a third and twenty and a hold gives the offense a first down. So while I'm not sure i support the lions position entirely, I think there should be a middle ground. Maybe it's an automatic first down if it's less than ten yards to go, and maybe it's a ten yard penalty if it's more than ten yards for a first down. I haven't thought about it a ton, but maybe something like that.
That's how the team should have proposed the rule change. Target all pushing and pulling, that way it looks less like a targetted rule change
Quote from: ViewFromSection129 on March 19, 2025, 01:34:10 PMThe problem isn't the tush push. It's helping a runner forward anywhere on the field. How many times do we see a player stopped, only to see the offensive linemen rush upfield to push everyone forward like a rugby scrum. I think that penalty was removed around 2008. It should come back.
As for defensive holding, it's absolutely ridiculous that you could have a third and twenty and a hold gives the offense a first down. So while I'm not sure i support the lions position entirely, I think there should be a middle ground. Maybe it's an automatic first down if it's less than ten yards to go, and maybe it's a ten yard penalty if it's more than ten yards for a first down. I haven't thought about it a ton, but maybe something like that.
To your first point, I remember the last play of the game vs Jags in '22. Receiver was struggling to reach end zone and a Jag OL sprinted 20 yards and nearly decapitated a Giants defender while trying to push his teammate over the goal line. Could have caused serious injury
The playoff seeding change would be amongst the stupidest possible things the league can do.
Winnimg your division has to mean something, and said value would be diminished greatly.
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 19, 2025, 10:32:43 PMThe playoff seeding change would be amongst the stupidest possible things the league can do.
Winnimg your division has to mean something, and said value would be diminished greatly.
I agree with you on this. If the merit of your record decides who gets into the playoffs, then just do away with the divisional concept altogether, have all teams in a ladder format for each conference, with the top teams on rank order by wins, then conference tie breaking rules, go to the post-season.
Maybe it should go that route anyway to generate more variety in a team's annual schedule. As long as the league doesn't mind scrapping the traditional divisional format with the "local rivalries." I don't see them as exciting anymore anyway despite the Giants always losing in recent years. I do like the added AFC game every year, though.
But yes, either keep the divisional format as is or, if they want to implement the Lions' recommendation, then do away with the divisional format and just organize teams under both conferences.
Peace!
Quote from: kartanoman on March 20, 2025, 08:32:44 AMI agree with you on this. If the merit of your record decides who gets into the playoffs, then just do away with the divisional concept altogether, have all teams in a ladder format for each conference, with the top teams on rank order by wins, then conference tie breaking rules, go to the post-season.
Maybe it should go that route anyway to generate more variety in a team's annual schedule. As long as the league doesn't mind scrapping the traditional divisional format with the "local rivalries." I don't see them as exciting anymore anyway despite the Giants always losing in recent years. I do like the added AFC game every year, though.
But yes, either keep the divisional format as is or, if they want to implement the Lions' recommendation, then do away with the divisional format and just organize teams under both conferences.
Peace!
It doesn't even make sense why they would be the ones pushing for it.
Weren't they the #1 seed this year?
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 20, 2025, 09:24:31 AMIt doesn't even make sense why they would be the ones pushing for it.
Weren't they the #1 seed this year?
You're right.
Minnesota, same record, traveled out here to Glendale, AZ to play the Rams in the NFC Wild Card game.
Unless the Lions were "speaking for a friend," I suppose it was a general idea they proposed.
Why, I'll have to see if their camp has any rationale for submitting it.
Peace!
Quote from: ozzie on March 19, 2025, 12:33:05 PMI wish someone would propose making Defensive Pass Interference a 15 Yd penalty instead of a spot foul.
I like it being a spot foul. The assumption is that the reception would have been made. If it's a one-score game with seconds left on the clock and the team with the ball throws a Hail Mary 50 yards out, all the defense has to do is intentionally interfere with the defender and get a 15-yard penalty and another play versus the ball being spotted at the 1-yard line and another play.
Essentially, defenders need to defend the pass play without committing a foul. I think the spot foul is great because the punishment fits the crime.
Quote from: T200 on March 20, 2025, 10:48:16 AMI like it being a spot foul. The assumption is that the reception would have been made. If it's a one-score game with seconds left on the clock and the team with the ball throws a Hail Mary 50 yards out, all the defense has to do is intentionally interfere with the defender and get a 15-yard penalty and another play versus the ball being spotted at the 1-yard line and another play.
Essentially, defenders need to defend the pass play without committing a foul. I think the spot foul is great because the punishment fits the crime.
I agree. Especially since all these calls are so subjective. We all agree holding, either offense or defense can be called on every play. So we are leaving that in the eyes of an umpire really not knowing what he is seeing
Spot foul, I angre.
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 19, 2025, 10:32:43 PMThe playoff seeding change would be amongst the stupidest possible things the league can do.
Winnimg your division has to mean something, and said value would be diminished greatly.
I agree with this. Although I wish the league would go back to three divisions in each conference. Or hell, be bold and do two eight team divisions in each league. You wouldn't have issues with seeding then, as the division winners would almost certainly both have great records, and then you can pull the wild cards from there.
I know you'd have issues with scheduling with more teams in each division, but anything is possible.
I also would like to see that 'pushing" rule amended. If the offense can do it legally the defense should have that same opportunity.
Quote from: LennG on March 20, 2025, 06:11:48 PMI also would like to see that 'pushing" rule amended. If the offense can do it legally the defense should have that same opportunity.
This has been my exact argument since this started. The minute you allow 3 LBs to push a 370LB DT forward the play goes away. Because it won't work anymore.
I like the non first down defensive holding idea..the reseeding of playoff teams I don't think the owners will go for..tush push isn't football and should be banned..plus forward momentum from lineman once forward progress id stopped..everybody now tries that..and more rugby stuff.
While, at first, I liked the idea of eliminating the automatic first down, I wonder if eliminating it would result in more flags as DB would rather mug a player (at the cost of 5 yards and repeat the down) than give up the big play.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 21, 2025, 11:43:27 AMWhile, at first, I liked the idea of eliminating the automatic first down, I wonder if eliminating it would result in more flags as DB would rather mug a player (at the cost of 5 yards and repeat the down) than give up the big play.
Not if you made it a spot foul.
Like PI, the ball should be placed at the spot of the foul. If it is a 1st down, good, if not. Keep on playing.