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What else (if anything) would you like to see the Giants do at the QB position for the remainder of this offseason?

I don't think the Titans will trade so if Sanders is there at 3 take him and hope. If he isn't, trade back, accumulate day 1 picks, build both lines into strengths and take a day 2 QB where value fits.

Quote from: londonblue on March 23, 2025, 05:50:29 AMI don't think the Titans will trade so if Sanders is there at 3 take him and hope. If he isn't, trade back, accumulate day 1 picks, build both lines into strengths and take a day 2 QB where value fits.

Just to respectfully clarify to all:

For this exercise, the presumption is that the team would be able to do each option listed.

The question here is what would you like to see them do, not what is your second choice because you think your first choice won't be possible.

Sorry Dave 😆 To clarify I voted draft Sanders as I do not want to trade away picks.

Quote from: londonblue on March 23, 2025, 06:26:28 AMSorry Dave 😆 To clarify I voted draft Sanders as I do not want to trade away picks.

Noted and understood!

What kind of QB do we want?  That's the question to determine who we should get.  With Winston we have a big downfield aggressive throwing QB.  If that will be our identity, let's draft a rookie who has a big arm and has a downfield mindset as well.  That is not Sanders.  If Ward is available at 3 draft him but if not, do not give up draft capital and just draft one at 34 or round 3.  I say Milroe and use our staff to develop him.

Let's draft offense with more explosive playmakers and OL for our new QBs.  We can live without a 3 tech for a year as our D is good enough.

Quote from: Philosophers on March 23, 2025, 07:54:12 AMWhat kind of QB do we want?  That's the question to determine who we should get.  With Winston we have a big downfield aggressive throwing QB.  If that will be our identity, let's draft a rookie who has a big arm and has a downfield mindset as well.  That is not Sanders.  If Ward is available at 3 draft him but if not, do not give up draft capital and just draft one at 34 or round 3.  I say Milroe and use our staff to develop him.

Let's draft offense with more explosive playmakers and OL for our new QBs.  We can live without a 3 tech for a year as our D is good enough.

I think you summed this up well Joe.

I don't want any moves done out of desperation and without a firm view. While I am generally not a fan of trading up for a QB, I am not categorically opposed to doing it here if the Giants feel Cam Ward is headed for bona fide franchise QB, top 7 or 8 starter in the league status.

Of course, if the Giants were to feel that way, it would beg the question of why the Titans are not so convinced of that, which is the only way I think they'd be interested in moving down.

The most straightforward thing to me is to take the best non-QB available at 3 (provided Ward does not fall to 3), and then take a QB on day two that they feel has upside with the proper development. I would also be open to moving up from 34 in a trade in order to get Dart, were he to fall to a level that is obtainable for us. I don't see that happening though. I expect Dart to go in the top 17.

I have no interest in signing another washed up veteran at this point. One is enough.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 23, 2025, 08:15:02 AMI think you summed this up well Joe.

I don't want any moves done out of desperation and without a firm view. While I am generally not a fan of trading up for a QB, I am not categorically opposed to doing it here if the Giants feel Cam Ward is headed for bona fide franchise QB, top 7 or 8 starter in the league status.

Of course, if the Giants were to feel that way, it would beg the question of why the Titans are not so convinced of that, which is the only way I think they'd be interested in moving down.

The most straightforward thing to me is to take the best non-QB available at 3 (provided Ward does not fall to 3), and then take a QB on day two that they feel has upside with the proper development. I would also be open to moving up from 34 in a trade in order to get Dart, were he to fall to a level that is obtainable for us. I don't see that happening though. I expect Dart to go in the top 17.

I have no interest in signing another washed up veteran at this point. One is enough.

We see it the same Jeff.  Let's build the offense and let the picks come to us in the Draft.  We will have options.

Dart at 3 seems rash..but he's not going to last very long. This happens every year with QBs..the Saints or the Jets might pounce. If they have a conviction on him...take him. I'd rather that then trade up any day.

I wan them to get BPA, not named Sanders, at 3 and trade to get Dart.

Quote from: Philosophers on March 23, 2025, 07:54:12 AMWhat kind of QB do we want?  That's the question to determine who we should get.  With Winston we have a big downfield aggressive throwing QB.  If that will be our identity, let's draft a rookie who has a big arm and has a downfield mindset as well.  That is not Sanders.  If Ward is available at 3 draft him but if not, do not give up draft capital and just draft one at 34 or round 3.  I say Milroe and use our staff to develop him.

Let's draft offense with more explosive playmakers and OL for our new QBs.  We can live without a 3 tech for a year as our D is good enough.

Fully on board with this approach. Chances are an outstanding defensive prospect at pick three will be there to choose from. After that, fix the Offensive and Defensive lines. If it's a choice between a development QB and a shot at Cam Skattebo, I'm picking the latter (sorry folks, he'll be worth it). Use the other third for the dev QB.

Day three picks will have plenty of choices since depth is a plenty in this draft. There's no reason why the Giants shouldn't come out of this draft a more talented team with depth; that's the entire purpose of this exercise.

I'm still holding out for the franchise QB in the 2026 draft which is why there is absolutely NO need to panic nor rush to get "the" QB this year. It's a bridge year and the team would be best served building overall talent and depth this season.

That's why I ultimately chose the "Other" category.

Peace!

I chose the 5th option.
trade back from three and wait, or BPA at three and wait.  I would be OK with Graham at 3 or another OL or DL later in the first.  NO sanders.  how far to trade back into rd. 1??? only if you really love Dart.  Maybe wait to see if he's there at 34, and IF NOT the guy I wanted us to take in round 2 at 34 [maybe even a bit later] all along will be there...Will Howard, QB, ohio state.

I'm in the "other" camp. I'm not sold on Ward or Sanders as the future of the team. They are good, but not in the category of someone like a Jayden Daniels, or Josh Allen...or even in the second tier (almost there) Joe Burrows or Justin Herbert. Maybe they can become in the same category with Tua Tagovailoa or Jameis Winston. But that's just me. I'm no expert on evaluating college QBs and divining their future in the NFL

If I had my "druthers", I'd draft two QBs in this year's draft. I would wait until the 2nd or 3rd round and take a player like Tyler Shough or Kyle McCord, and in a later round, an extremely talented, yet raw QB like Taylor Elgersma, and for the next year, let them battle it out to find out who has the fast processing brain power,
"moxie", and the unmeasurable "it" factor to take over the reins in the future. I have never been in the camp of shorter QBs who "scat first" whenever a play breaks down. Don't want to be a fan, always waiting for the season (or career) ending injury to my QB because of a blind or late hit while on the run. Big boys get away with it for a while, but the little guys not so much

I don't think for a second all our problems are over if we take Ward or Sanders. It's just not the year to take one of the top ranked QBs IMHO, who would probably be in the top 50 in a different year. That's just my dos centavos (which BTW, is worth considerably less than two U.S. cents)

Quote from: Philosophers on March 23, 2025, 07:54:12 AMWhat kind of QB do we want?  That's the question to determine who we should get.  With Winston we have a big downfield aggressive throwing QB.  If that will be our identity, let's draft a rookie who has a big arm and has a downfield mindset as well.  That is not Sanders.  If Ward is available at 3 draft him but if not, do not give up draft capital and just draft one at 34 or round 3.  I say Milroe and use our staff to develop him.

Let's draft offense with more explosive playmakers and OL for our new QBs.  We can live without a 3 tech for a year as our D is good enough.

Ward if he is there. He won't be. Sanders if he is there. Possibly. If neither is there, draft Slough or Milroe in round two. I don't give up capital for Dart and he won't last until the second round.

I chose wait until the 3rd round and draft a developmental QB.

Here are my reasons:
We need to improve the roster in many areas, so I would either like to see BPA in rounds one and two OR take one of those picks and trade down for more picks. If there is any way to turn #3 overall into someones' 1st this year and 1st next year...that is something you cannot pass up especially with the 26' QB crop.

3rd round option is developmental and almost assures a top 10 pick again in '26 which is wahy A) it would be great to do and B) why Schoen/Daboll won't do it. Nevertheless I would like to see it because if by some happenstance in turned out to be Milroe, he could become the steal of the draft.

What a comeback move that would be juxtaposed against Danny Dimes at 6 overall.

PLUS, an opportunity to fill some areas with top talent with all of the non QB picks.

Round 3, 4 and 5 QBs are almost always a wasted pick.  For every gem, there's a dozen Davis Webbs, Ryan Nassibs and Kyle Laulettas.  We need too much in other areas to use valuable picks on long shot projects. 

'In the modern era of the NFL Draft (since 1967), 130 quarterbacks have been selected in the first round. Only 61 of those (46.9 percent) have won a playoff game as a starter, according to NFL Research, and just 58 of those quarterbacks (44.6 percent) have garnered Pro Bowl honors" NFL.com

It's a gamble no matter where you draft one. Safe to say there's no "Can't Miss" QB in this draft. Which is why I'd rather roll with filling out the rest of the roster this offseason, and draft high for a QB when the percentages are a bit more in our favor.

Remember Schoen.said no shortcuts at the QB position? Then he pined for Stafford, Rodgers..then Wilson..yikes. Winston is a reasonable pick up..but I'm really worried he will trade up for Ward or settle for Sanders to soothe Mara. BPA at 3 or find a partner..add picks..but this is what happens when you have Dabes and Schoen..Still here and facing termination unless they placate the owner.

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 23, 2025, 01:22:28 PM'In the modern era of the NFL Draft (since 1967), 130 quarterbacks have been selected in the first round. Only 61 of those (46.9 percent) have won a playoff game as a starter, according to NFL Research, and just 58 of those quarterbacks (44.6 percent) have garnered Pro Bowl honors" NFL.com

It's a gamble no matter where you draft one. Safe to say there's no "Can't Miss" QB in this draft. Which is why I'd rather roll with filling out the rest of the roster this offseason, and draft high for a QB when the percentages are a bit more in our favor.

I'm with you there...I like Dart the best from the high level of the SEC he faced...but Howard..McCord ..others hmm? Longshots probably. But at 3 I couldn't see taking Dart. Later, yes in the first round. BPA at 3. Team needs the best talent available, not reaching for need at QB.

It'd probably take our 2nd, 3rd, and a 5th to hop back into the 1st high enough to get Dart.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 23, 2025, 03:24:02 PMIt'd probably take our 2nd, 3rd, and a 5th to hop back into the 1st high enough to get Dart.

Wow! If you have that much conviction for Dart that you'd forfeit that much draft capital to get him, why not just draft him at pick three or, if the option presents itself, trade pick three and move down the board with additional draft capital and go get him in your new slot?

Two, three and five seems too much to give up to move from 34 to the high teens to get Dart when the team really needs those picks to build out their roster, improve overall talent as well as depth.

If you believe Dart's market rate has appreciated to the point that much capital is needed to get in position to draft him in the lower first round, and the Giants pull it off, we all should hope and pray he puts the franchise QB debate to bed once and for all. The other thing we should hope and pray is, with half of the Giants' picks gone, they find diamonds in the rough the rest of the way because they'll have to be near perfect in order to improve team talent enough to move the needle.

If Dart can be had for maybe two picks, I could meet you halfway at that point unless we know he's the man for the next decade or so. That said, having another Ole Miss QB lead the Giants seems like a good omen, doesn't it?

Peace!

Not giving up capital for anyone but Ward.

Use the third overall pick on a non-QB, and then either draft a QB at 34 or possibly trade up from 34 for Dart. Or make me a "can't refuse" offer for the No.3 overall, and let's Dart the eye and cross some Ts and get it done.

Cheers!

suck one more year and draft Arch Manning

Quote from: expatriot on March 23, 2025, 09:52:48 PMsuck one more year and draft Arch Manning

There is a great probability that Arch Manning will not come out next year. He does not need the money and his uncles are telling him to enjoy the college experience .

Although I'm furious he hasn't made a decision and he has drama, what I want is to sign Rodgers (makes the offense fun and watchable). Then trade 1st pick for capital.

Offers us a chance at a decent fun upcoming season and picks to go find a franchise QB next year. It basically gives Schoen/Dabol an extra year or two this way

UNLESS of course the Giants feel Abdul Carter is Micah Parsons type game changer in which case grab him at 3 and trade into 1st round for Dart

Quote from: kartanoman on March 23, 2025, 04:23:29 PMWow! If you have that much conviction for Dart that you'd forfeit that much draft capital to get him, why not just draft him at pick three or, if the option presents itself, trade pick three and move down the board with additional draft capital and go get him in your new slot?

Two, three and five seems too much to give up to move from 34 to the high teens to get Dart when the team really needs those picks to build out their roster, improve overall talent as well as depth.

If you believe Dart's market rate has appreciated to the point that much capital is needed to get in position to draft him in the lower first round, and the Giants pull it off, we all should hope and pray he puts the franchise QB debate to bed once and for all. The other thing we should hope and pray is, with half of the Giants' picks gone, they find diamonds in the rough the rest of the way because they'll have to be near perfect in order to improve team talent enough to move the needle.

If Dart can be had for maybe two picks, I could meet you halfway at that point unless we know he's the man for the next decade or so. That said, having another Ole Miss QB lead the Giants seems like a good omen, doesn't it?

Peace!

I agree, I was just throwing out how much capital it'd likely take so everyone would know.

Quote from: expatriot on March 23, 2025, 09:52:48 PMsuck one more year and draft Arch Manning

Would people still be wanting Arch if his last name was not Manning?

I didn't see this on the voting

How about we TRY and trade back, to say, 10, draft Dart there and have as many extra picks as we can get in that trade to help repair some of what needs repairing.
We got the QB we want and extra picks.

Quote from: LennG on March 25, 2025, 01:11:34 PMI didn't see this on the voting

How about we TRY and trade back, to say, 10, draft Dart there and have as many extra picks as we can get in that trade to help repair some of what needs repairing.
We got the QB we want and extra picks.

I think 10 is too far back to be safe. My perfect scenario is either(or both) of Carter, and Hunter are there. Let the bidding begin for slots 4,5,6, even 7 if the jets want either.

I see little to no value in drafting a QB at 3 who amounts to the 20th or worse player in the draft, as well as, having a lower relative rank than QBs the GMen passed over last year. 

I would struggle to see how Sanders could be justified at 3. 

Quote from: babywhales on March 25, 2025, 02:45:30 PMI see little to no value in drafting a QB at 3 who amounts to the 20th or worse player in the draft, as well as, having a lower relative rank than QBs the GMen passed over last year.

I would struggle to see how Sanders could be justified at 3.

Desperate times. I agree. Draft Milroe or Schough in 2nd. Don't give up anything for a QB this year unless it's Ward. Though I would not be surprised if Sanders turns out to be an excellent pro in the right situation.

Quote from: expatriot on March 23, 2025, 09:52:48 PMsuck one more year and draft Arch Manning

If we'd just lost one more game, we'd have had the first pick this year. We could have given it up to get enough picks to draft him next year or we could have taken Ward.

As it is, I dont believe we're capable of positioning ourselves to guarantee him.  That's to say he's even what we need.



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This might be the desperation talking, but I am actually leaning on signing Rodgers (if he agrees) and then drafting Milroe in round 2.  I haven't quite talked myself into that same plan with signing Russell Wilson, at least not yet.