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This was Hunter as a WR. I am not seeing the great accuracy from Sanders that I am being sold on. Sanders is not "inaccurate," but there were too many throws Hunter had to do some major adjustments to catch.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 24, 2025, 08:03:24 AMThis was Hunter as a WR. I am not seeing the great accuracy from Sanders that I am being sold on. Sanders is not "inaccurate," but there were too many throws Hunter had to do some major adjustments to catch.
Rich: Last year I wondered whether, in college, Daniels was making Nabers look good (or vice verse).
Turned out both men were "responsible" for their incredible success.
In this case, however, I think it's clear Hunter was making Sanders' stats appear to be a bit better than they would have been without his presence, and I think the league knows it, too. Still, I suppose Sanders will sell a lot of hot dogs and T-shirts, so I'm certain (sadly) at least one team will be hoping Sanders will still be there when it's their turn to make a first-round pick. Hopefully, not the Giants.
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 24, 2025, 08:18:00 AMRich: Last year I wondered whether, in college, Daniels was making Nabers look good (or vice verse).
Turned out both men were "responsible" for their incredible success.
In this case, however, I think it's clear Hunter was making Sanders' stats appear to be a bit better than they would have been without his presence, and I think the league knows it, too. Still, I suppose Sanders will sell a lot of hot dogs and T-shirts, so I'm certain (sadly) at least one team will be hoping Sanders will still be there when it's their turn to make a first-round pick. Hopefully, not the Giants.
Bob
After watching film on several games, there were times Hunter was wide open but Sanders had to bail the pocket early. The worst designed Offense and the worst Oline.
That said, I think Sanders value is a
Mid First Round. 15-20. Actually Ward and Dart too.
If the Giants sign Wilson, I would draft Travis Hunter or Carter and never look back. Then I would move up from the second round for a QB and hope Dart is there.
I think from playing both sides as WR and CB, Hunter has developed a refine sense of how to make plays on the ball against an opponent. Like that.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 24, 2025, 09:08:54 AMI think from playing both sides as WR and CB, Hunter has developed a refine sense of how to make plays on the ball against an opponent. Like that.
Phil: IMO, including QBs, Hunter could be the most "football-smart" player in the draft, and there's a good chance he'll be in the top 10 of all NFL players in that regard by this time next year, if not sooner. He is one savvy dude (not to mention his incredible physical conditioning). Could be a true "Iron Man." Bob
At 3 I'd be thrilled with any of these: Ward, Carter, Hunter, Graham. Anyone else would be a true head-scratcher, IMO.
Quote from: PSUBeirut on March 24, 2025, 10:03:04 AMAt 3 I'd be thrilled with any of these: Ward, Carter, Hunter, Graham. Anyone else would be a true head-scratcher, IMO.
The great news is that the Giants are guaranteed one of them.
That is, of course, if they don't f#@k up! (NOTE: as in Marissa Tomei giving Joe Pesci a pep talk in "My Coysin Vinny" the night before the trial.)
Peace!
My goodness. He's stands out as the best player on the field. Love the tunes!
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 24, 2025, 08:46:02 AMAfter watching film on several games, there were times Hunter was wide open but Sanders had to bail the pocket early. The worst designed Offense and the worst Oline.
That said, I think Sanders value is a
Mid First Round. 15-20. Actually Ward and Dart too.
If the Giants sign Wilson, I would draft Travis Hunter or Carter and never look back. Then I would move up from the second round for a QB and hope Dart is there.
Let's refresh this thread. There's a real chance Hunter is BPA when we pick. Qb crisis is currently avoided. How would he be used? I dont want to bench and stop developing Banks. Maybe rotate with Slayton on offense 50% and same with Banks on D? I'd really love to see him paired with Nabers and Wilson
Quote from: gregf on March 26, 2025, 12:38:26 PMLet's tefresLet's refresh this thread. There's a real chance Hunter is BPA when we pick. Qb crisis is currently avoided. How would he be used? I dont want to bench and stop developing Banks. Maybe rotate with Slayton on offense 50% and same with Banks on D? I'd really love to see him paired with Nabers and Wilson
I would bench Banks and force Banks to prove to me that the Giants should mostly use Hunter as a WR.
If we draft Hunter and he ends up being mostly a WR, I think it's fair to say that the duo of Nabers and Hunter would be among the best in the league.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 26, 2025, 12:44:57 PMI would bench Banks and force Banks to prove to me that the Giants should mostly use Hunter as a WR.
If we draft Hunter and he ends up being mostly a WR, I think it's fair to say that the duo of Nabers and Hunter would be among the best in the league.
I read on twitter somebody posing the question: If the Giants draft Hunter is there any pair of skill position players the Giants would reasonably be willing to trade those two guys for? The answer very well could be no. Chase/Higgins was the closest but those guys are older and paid.
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 26, 2025, 03:09:28 PMI read on twitter somebody posing the question: If the Giants draft Hunter is there any pair of skill position players the Giants would reasonably be willing to trade those two guys for? The answer very well could be no. Chase/Higgins was the closest but those guys are older and paid.
The only other pair worth considering is AJ Brown and Devonte Smith of the Eagles
Man I'm getting torn reading all these threads ... I personally want Mason because I think he fulfills a need an is just as good as Hunter or Carter... getting Graham would essentially have us with no holes on defense
But then you get Carter ... we may have easily the craziest pass rush in the league
Get Hunter .... And Wilson may be a pro bowler throwing to him and Nabers
Damn you pick # 3
Quote from: killarich on March 27, 2025, 05:36:56 AMMan I'm getting torn reading all these threads ... I personally want Mason because I think he fulfills a need an is just as good as Hunter or Carter... getting Graham would essentially have us with no holes on defense
But then you get Carter ... we may have easily the craziest pass rush in the league
Get Hunter .... And Wilson may be a pro bowler throwing to him and Nabers
Damn you pick # 3
I'm feeling the same way. My BBH friends keep changing my mind on who I want! I guess that's what makes this place great. Many smart football people here
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 24, 2025, 08:46:02 AMAfter watching film on several games, there were times Hunter was wide open but Sanders had to bail the pocket early. The worst designed Offense and the worst Oline.
That said, I think Sanders value is a
Mid First Round. 15-20. Actually Ward and Dart too.
If the Giants sign Wilson, I would draft Travis Hunter or Carter and never look back. Then I would move up from the second round for a QB and hope Dart is there.
I can see Dart going as early as the Jets or as late as the Steelers. I would be shocked if he makes it to the 2nd.
I think we need to consider positional value vis a vis Hunter at pick 3. I would immediately put him on the field as CB1 competing with Adebo and move Banks to CB2. He will then have to compete with the loser of the Hunter/Adebo competition for the CB2 spot.
This kind of CB depth will be a good problem to have, and Hunter can have some packages built for him on offense. I would play him alot more snaps at CB than WR.
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 28, 2025, 10:11:43 AMI think we need to consider positional value vis a vis Hunter at pick 3. I would immediately put him on the field as CB1 competing with Adebo and move Banks to CB2. He will then have to compete with the loser of the Hunter/Adebo competition for the CB2 spot.
This kind of CB depth will be a good problem to have, and Hunter can have some packages built for him on offense. I would play him alot more snaps at CB than WR.
Andrew,
I like your thinking. I will say I would go the opposite way. I would team him up with Nabers to keep DCs up at night. I would use him at CB as needed due to injury or poor performance.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2025, 10:39:39 AMAndrew,
I like your thinking. I will say I would go the opposite way. I would team him up with Nabers to keep DCs up at night. I would use him at CB as needed due to injury or poor performance.
I slightly lean this direction as well. Though I wouldn't be upset by any means if they decided CB was his better position. If we're saying he plays both equally well, I think there's a bigger impact replacing Slayton than replacing Banks who no longer has to be the #1 guy.
I would certainly make sure he got in the game on defense in certain situations as well, because if Banks does continue to stink it up we may have to adjust course a bit, but I would prefer to start with him as a WR first and CB 2nd and then be flexible enough to adjust if that turns out not to be the best way to use him.
One thing I'm getting more certain about is that if he's there at 3, and the Giants do not trade down, I feel very strongly that he should be the pick. If it's Carter/Hunter both there, it would be a tough decision, but I'd still go Hunter.
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 28, 2025, 10:44:11 AMI slightly lean this direction as well. Though I wouldn't be upset by any means if they decided CB was his better position. If we're saying he plays both equally well, I think there's a bigger impact replacing Slayton than replacing Banks who no longer has to be the #1 guy.
I would certainly make sure he got in the game on defense in certain situations as well, because if Banks does continue to stink it up we may have to adjust course a bit, but I would prefer to start with him as a WR first and CB 2nd and then be flexible enough to adjust if that turns out not to be the best way to use him.
One thing I'm getting more certain about is that if he's there at 3, and the Giants do not trade down, I feel very strongly that he should be the pick. If it's Carter/Hunter both there, it would be a tough decision, but I'd still go Hunter.
Agreed
Plus, what are the odds the starting CBS will stay healthy for an entire season or won't need a break for a series or two?
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2025, 10:39:39 AMAndrew,
I like your thinking. I will say I would go the opposite way. I would team him up with Nabers to keep DCs up at night. I would use him at CB as needed due to injury or poor performance.
That's how I'd play it.
Either way, it's incredible value at 3 and I think he's the perfect pick for the Giants - if he's there.
Months ago many thought picking at 3 with only 2 QBs was a bad spot. It turns out it is not Ward and Sanders but Ward, Hunter, Carter and Graham. At 3 we get a great player or QB1. I like where we are at especially now that we have Wilson. Teams will be calling the Giants at Draft Night too.
It wouldn't be the worst thing to draft Hunter and then in round 2 draft McCord or Shough.
My bold prediction is 3 QB go R1 and then none in R2.
Quote from: londonblue on March 28, 2025, 01:55:39 PMMy bold prediction is 3 QB go R1 and then none in R2.
If that happens, the Giants would be sitting pretty with the first pick in round 3
I'm curious about the opinions of people who have seen alot of Hunter. Is he considered as good a WR as Nabors. If the answer is yes, these 2 guys on the field at the same time plus speed on the outside and ordinary QBs will look really. Just make sure the OL can protect
How QBs are ranked/rated before the Draft is not at all how they may be valued by teams with an obvious, sometimes compelling need.
I think we can assume that the signings of Wilson and Winston buys Schoencorp flexibility re next month's Draft, as well as time and job security if it results in a notable improvement in the team's performance. Still, it is not clear to me just what they will choose to do on Day One whether it's bpa: Hunter, Carter or Graham, or a "chips in" rookie QB: Sanders or Dart.
Hunter had been my "lead pipe" before they signed a high-quality CB, Paulson Adebo in FA. He probably still is given his unique CB/WR versatility.
Otherwise, Carter would be a formidable addition at left side Edge, unless he or Thibs switch sides. Another PSU Parson? And no doubt, Mason Graham next to Dex would be formidable and almost certainly so in improving the Giants godawful run defense. Either way, it could begin to remind us of a 2011 with Tuck, Pierre-Paul, and Kiwi, Canty and Joseph.
And of their 8 total picks, 4 indeed almost 5 are in the top 100 with which to address the Oline and perhaps RB. No good reason to feel droopy.
Cheers!
Quote from: nb587 on March 28, 2025, 02:34:40 PMI'm curious about the opinions of people who have seen alot of Hunter. Is he considered as good a WR as Nabors. If the answer is yes, these 2 guys on the field at the same time plus speed on the outside and ordinary QBs will look really. Just make sure the OL can protect
It's gonna be tough to be on the level of Nabers. Nabers and Marvin Harrison Jr were outliers at the position last year. But for WRs this year Hunter is about as good as any of them. If you're looking at drafting just a WR there might be another guy based on your offense or your roster you prefer, same thing if you need a CB you might prefer Johnson as a pure corner, but the fact that he can do both at an extremely high level makes him more valuable than just about any other player in this draft. If you're not going QB anyway.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 28, 2025, 01:41:17 PMIt wouldn't be the worst thing to draft Hunter and then in round 2 draft McCord or Shough.
Drafting McCord at the top of the 2nd round would be a nightmare scenario. That's a full 2-round overdraft.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 28, 2025, 07:14:04 PMDrafting McCord at the top of the 2nd round would be a nightmare scenario. That's a full 2-round overdraft.
That's your opinion. I know he's ranked about seven in most projections, but I don't see it as a nightmare. Most likely, Howard and Shough go before him and I know that. I won't however be surprised if some team sees him as a fit for their system.
Hunter will be a CB in the NFL. I don't see a scenario where he would play, or even split time, as a WR. IMO, if he was a WR only, he would be a mid to late first round pick. His cover and ball skills as a CB have him at the top of the draft.
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Quote from: bamagiantfan on March 29, 2025, 07:50:28 AMHunter will be a CB in the NFL. I don't see a scenario where he would play, or even split time, as a WR. IMO, if he was a WR only, he would be a mid to late first round pick. His cover and ball skills as a CB have him at the top of the draft.
If the Giants see it this way too, I don't think they'd make the pick unless they've given up on Banks.
Realistically Hunter plays full time on one side of the ball (likely cornerback) and get a few spot reps on the other side of the ball and/or special teams. The mental and physical demands to do more that in the NFL are enormous why is why not even legends like Deion Sanders could do it in any sustained way. It is not disrespecting Hunter in any way to acknowledge that.
He is still a high draft pick but he is not 'generational' as just either a CB or WR. If Carter goes two and we do not value Sanders at 3 then trading down with someone over valuing Hunter off the hype might be the way to go.
Please don't sleep on Travis Hunter as a WR. His analytics are off the charts, his body control, and contested catch ability are beyond elite. In last years draft solely as a WR he'd be right there with MHJ and Nabers.
If we draft Hunter, you will have to change your way of thinking. Because I can almost guarentee schoen and daboll play him were he can make the biggest impact immediately and that will be at WR. Yes give him the playbook at corner, but Adebo is CB1, and Banks honestly has the potential to be a great Cb2 especially when you go back over his analytics. (He legit just needs to turn his head)
Anyways, Hunter immediately has us in the conversation for top 5 Wr group in the NFL. With all the resources teams will use to stop Nabers, it will leave Hunter 1 on 1 with teams cb2 or cb3 and he will feast. Without hesitation, as bad as our offense has been over the past few years I'm putting him at Wr at least year 1 to score points as our defense is looking really good right now. A 5 deep of Nabers, Hunter, Wandale, Slayton, and Hyatt is one if the better rooms in the NFL. Daboll is low-key salivating at the thoughts of Hunter and Nabers on the field together.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/1ix6ekf/travis_hunter_the_true_wr1_in_the_2025_nfl_draft/
Analytical Strengths:
Hunter's closest high-end comp is Justin Jefferson, with a prospect profile that includes a similarly well-rounded efficiency and production score.
Hunter's 8.65 Prospect Grade definitively places him atop this year's receiver class and in a separate tier from the next 3 receivers (Egbuka, Tet, Tre Harris). Hunter ranks him 13th overall among prospects in the model dating back to 2019. His grade places him above prospects such as Odunze (8.46), AJ Brown (8.43), DK Metcalf (8.36), McConkey (8.24), BTJ (8.17), Garrett Wilson (8.16), and Drake London (7.91).
Elite Productivity: When factoring Hunter's per-game productivity, his production profile ranks near the top of the class. Hunter tallied up 153 receptions, 1,979 yards, and 20 touchdowns in only 22 career game. His 94.2 YPG is 1st in the class, ahead of McMillan's 92.3.
Remarkable Hands & Elite Contested Catch Skill – Hunter's 66.7% contested catch rate (Rank: 2nd) and a 1.54% drop rate (Rank: 2nd) highlight his ability to secure tough catches and come down with the ball in traffic at an elite level.
Hunter's 137.53 QBR ranks at the top of the class and makes him possibly the most QB friendly target in the draft class.
High-End Deep Threat Ability – His Deep Threat Score ranks among the top WRs in the class, reinforced by a 17th-ranked 1,364 air yards and 8.92 yards per reception (14th in class). He thrives at stretching the field.
Hunter's 2.37 YPRR, 2.49 Zone YPRR, and 2.34 Man YPRR are all above notable thresholds and target range.
High-End Player Comp: Justin Jefferson
I was listening to Phil Simms on his podcast. He felt Travis Hunter would be best at WR
I think he will be a receiver in the NFL. As a receiver, is he the best one in the draft? Or, can we get a receiver of equal talent later in the draft?
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 29, 2025, 12:58:41 PMI was listening to Phil Simms on his podcast. He felt Travis Hunter would be best at WR
If we go this route, Slayton or Robinson to the bench? Or rotate them in the slot?
It's been said a lot, but with the QB room filled, you have to hope QBs go one/two. Then we can't lose with either Carter or Hunter, but I think Hunter is going to be the next Champ Bailey. Throw in a couple packages for him on offense, and you've got a guy that changes the game. As good as he is, he'll generate coverage sacks.
Also, you need three good corners these days. If we draft Hunter either he plays slot or one of the other two does. Flott is your dime maybe. The secondary could be a real strength, legion of boom two.
Quote from: SlotCorner on March 29, 2025, 03:32:31 PMAlso, you need three good corners these days. If we draft Hunter either he plays slot or one of the other two does. Flott is your dime maybe. The secondary could be a real strength, legion of boom two.
Have you given up on Philips?
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 29, 2025, 03:33:58 PMHave you given up on Philips?
Ugh! Forgot about Phillips and I was thinking about buying his jersey. So draft Hunter and you've got 4 decent CBs and Flott.
I am not with folks who think "play him at one or the other." I'd play at both equally and let him show me he cant play both positions full time. He's earned that right IMHO.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 30, 2025, 11:15:53 AMI am not with folks who think "play him at one or the other." I'd play at both equally and let him show me he cant play both positions full time. He's earned that right IMHO.
I agree with you.
Let's see if he becomes a budding All-Pro WR like Nabers or a budding All-Pro CB like Sauce
Quote from: Trench on March 30, 2025, 11:30:56 AMI agree with you.
Let's see if he becomes a budding All-Pro WR like Nabers or a budding All-Pro CB like Sauce
Yeah exactly. He's a quiet kid who does nothing but trains. No side distractions. I think he can do it.
I don't think it's as straightforward as just saying he either "can" or "can't" play both positions full time. I have no doubt he can do it in the short term. I think most believe he can. The issue is more that his long term career outlook (ie longevity) is almost certainly going to be much less if he tries to play both full time than if he keys on one. The NFL plays significantly more games than college (even if you don't make the playoffs), and the games are simply much more grueling and physical at this level. His injury odds go way way up if he plays both, and then even if he avoids major injuries, his wear and tear will 100% go way up, leading to a much earlier decline than if he just played one.
I think full time at one and situationally at the other makes the most sense, all factors taken into account.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 30, 2025, 12:57:57 PMI don't think it's as straightforward as just saying he either "can" or "can't" play both positions full time. I have no doubt he can do it in the short term. I think most believe he can. The issue is more that his long term career outlook (ie longevity) is almost certainly going to be much less if he tries to play both full time than if he keys on one. The NFL plays significantly more games than college (even if you don't make the playoffs), and the games are simply much more grueling and physical at this level. His injury odds go way way up if he plays both, and then even if he avoids major injuries, his wear and tear will 100% go way up, leading to a much earlier decline than if he just played one.
I think full time at one and situationally at the other makes the most sense, all factors taken into account.
Jeff - you raise a valid point about increased risk of injury. I've heard teams say you cant play or coach fearing it though. As a young guy play him full time at both and wean him back if it becomes too much.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 30, 2025, 12:57:57 PMI don't think it's as straightforward as just saying he either "can" or "can't" play both positions full time. I have no doubt he can do it in the short term. I think most believe he can. The issue is more that his long term career outlook (ie longevity) is almost certainly going to be much less if he tries to play both full time than if he keys on one. The NFL plays significantly more games than college (even if you don't make the playoffs), and the games are simply much more grueling and physical at this level. His injury odds go way way up if he plays both, and then even if he avoids major injuries, his wear and tear will 100% go way up, leading to a much earlier decline than if he just played one.
I think full time at one and situationally at the other makes the most sense, all factors taken into account.
Great points
It's a full-time job to train and prepare for one position in this league. They are going to have to decide where he's needed most and where his skill set aligns best for the system. He will most definitely prepare at both positions right up through Camp and the pre-season. Then it will be decided where the majority of his snaps will be by game based on need and opponent.
To play both sides would require an average of 65 snap counts per position. The weekly preparation in room, film study and on the field would be based on where he's needed most. That would be determined by the the health of the other players and who they face. For example, facing Chase and Higgins being down one FT CB would require him playing all Pass Defense Snaps. If the Offensive players on his team were all healthy, it may not require him to play more than 25% of snaps.
He may be physically able to handle the work load, but the more snaps he takes, the more risk for injury and physical breakdown in the last quarter of the season. It's a 17 game season without the playoffs and the preseason. He's used to a 12-13 game season.
If Nabors were to be injured, you can count on him playing Offensively for 65 Snaps a game. If Phillips and Banks were also injured the same game, he might get close to that for that game. I can't see him sustaining maximum capacity mentally and physically for 17 games taking 130 snaps a game.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 30, 2025, 03:57:24 PMIt's a full-time job to train and prepare for one position in this league. They are going to have to decide where he's needed most and where his skill set aligns best for the system. He will most definitely prepare at both positions right up through Camp and the pre-season. Then it will be decided where the majority of his snaps will be by game based on need and opponent.
To play both sides would require an average of 65 snap counts per position. The weekly preparation in room, film study and on the field would be based on where he's needed most. That would be determined by the the health of the other players and who they face. For example, facing Chase and Higgins being down one FT CB would require him playing all Pass Defense Snaps. If the Offensive players on his team were all healthy, it may not require him to play more than 25% of snaps.
He may be physically able to handle the work load, but the more snaps he takes, the more risk for injury and physical breakdown in the last quarter of the season. It's a 17 game season without the playoffs and the preseason. He's used to a 12-13 game season.
If Nabors were to be injured, you can count on him playing Offensively for 65 Snaps a game. If Phillips and Banks were also injured the same game, he might get close to that for that game. I can't see him sustaining maximum capacity mentally and physically for 17 games taking 130 snaps a game.
Great post Ed! I agree on all points. He might get 65 snaps a week on average, but based on injuries opponents etc., it could fluctuate offense vs defense split. As of now , the offense is clearly the weaker unit that needs help. Nabers Hunter duo would be exciting to watch !
Quote from: Trench on March 27, 2025, 06:27:16 AMI'm feeling the same way. My BBH friends keep changing my mind on who I want! I guess that's what makes this place great. Many smart football people here
i KEEP READING POSTS AND WONDERING, was our O line cured? Did something happen that I was not aware of?
Quote from: GloryDays on March 30, 2025, 09:01:05 PMi KEEP READING POSTS AND WONDERING, was our O line cured? Did something happen that I was not aware of?
Before Thomas got hurt (which was also before Tracy evolved) the oline was doing quite well if I remember correctly
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I've become a build from the trenches out fan and would love to have a wall of absolute killers on both sides of the ball, but I think this is the most logical can't miss pick at 3.
I think his value is something you can't pass up at 3 in this particular draft despite all of the Giants shortcomings.
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It's just like the stock market.
If you print enough bad stuff about a player, eventually the public will start to wonder why he is considered certainly in the top three as a college prospect for the NFL.
This guy is a unicorn. It's not certain whether Carter is also, but despite being a Penn State fan, I say no.
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 31, 2025, 01:12:38 PMIt's just like the stock market.
If you print enough bad stuff about a player, eventually the public will start to wonder why he is considered certainly in the top three as a college prospect for the NFL.
This guy is a unicorn. It's not certain whether Carter is also, but despite being a Penn State fan, I say no.
Bob
Bob,
My only concern about Hunter (and it's a minor concern) is that he weighs 185. That puts him as a bit of an outlier in the weight department for either WR or CB
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 31, 2025, 01:14:16 PMBob,
My only concern about Hunter (and it's a minor concern) is that he weighs 185. That puts him as a bit of an outlier in the weight department for either WR or CB
Rich: A legit concern. First, he is the Saquon Barkley of "little" guys when it comes to physical fitness.
It may not weigh a lot, but it's all muscle.
Second, it's why certain "experts" and former players are so sure that he'll major in WR in the NFL (with a minor in CB lol) and why the most recent post of yours containing a picture (in this thread) was posted. There is zero chance he'll be bullied around by large CB's. DaVonta Smith PALES by comparison.
Bob
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 31, 2025, 01:14:16 PMBob,
My only concern about Hunter (and it's a minor concern) is that he weighs 185. That puts him as a bit of an outlier in the weight department for either WR or CB
I think this is a legit concern as well. I recall reading that some front offices were concerned about him getting out-muscled at the catch point by some of the league's bigger, more physical receivers.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 31, 2025, 01:14:16 PMBob,
My only concern about Hunter (and it's a minor concern) is that he weighs 185. That puts him as a bit of an outlier in the weight department for either WR or CB
That's what I told my brother in PA about Devonta Smith. I wanted him bad, but was worried about his small frame. My brother has been been needling me about that for years now.
Hunter can put on weight. It's not he's 5'8". At his height he can put on 10 pounds then is this really a problem?
Quote from: GloryDays on March 30, 2025, 09:01:05 PMi KEEP READING POSTS AND WONDERING, was our O line cured? Did something happen that I was not aware of?
Quote from: Trench on March 31, 2025, 07:54:45 AMBefore Thomas got hurt (which was also before Tracy evolved) the oline was doing quite well if I remember correctly
Trench, even if the O line play was acceptable before Thomas got hurt, doesnt one injury causing a debacle of the whole season and a miserable season record show how weak the O line and the depth is? What if he gets hurt again, which he often does?
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 31, 2025, 01:14:16 PMBob,
My only concern about Hunter (and it's a minor concern) is that he weighs 185. That puts him as a bit of an outlier in the weight department for either WR or CB
Devonta Smith (whom was smartly plucked from our grasp) is only a buck 70 and he's been fine so far.
He might even be lighter with his documented weight being liberally recorded.
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EDIT: I posted before I read the responses to MG......my apologies!
Quote from: GloryDays on March 31, 2025, 11:27:59 PMTrench, even if the O line play was acceptable before Thomas got hurt, doesnt one injury causing a debacle of the whole season and a miserable season record show how weak the O line and the depth is? What if he gets hurt again, which he often does?
Fair point. I was just pointing out the line was doing quite well early in the season. I'm not sure how much was Thomas. But I was enjoying it while it lasted
Quote from: Topshelf21 on April 01, 2025, 05:01:13 AMDevonta Smith (whom was smartly plucked from our grasp) is only a buck 70 and he's been fine so far.
He might even be lighter with his documented weight being liberally recorded.
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EDIT: I posted before I read the responses to MG......my apologies!
No worries, you brought Smith's actual weight to the conversation, so you added value :ok:
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Daboll is more guarded than Schoen, so harder to read between the lines with him. But the way he emphasized former Patriots WR Troy Brown playing CB *later* in his career made me believe he wouldn't overload a young player like Hunter both ways initially.
Daboll made a point that Brown didn't need to spend as much time in the offensive meetings because he was so experienced. The point I've heard on Hunter is he'd need to be in 100% of the defensive meetings, so he would only be sprinkled in offensively
I don't understand this concern about Hunter's weight and the comparison to DeVonta Smith. Smith was I think 170 pounds when he came out of Alabama. Hunter is 185 pounds I believe. Hunter looks bigger to me than Smith when I apply the eye test as well. What's the problem?
Quote from: Philosophers on April 01, 2025, 11:28:00 AMI don't understand this concern about Hunter's weight and the comparison to DeVonta Smith. Smith was I think 170 pounds when he came out of Alabama. Hunter is 185 pounds I believe. Hunter looks bigger to me than Smith when I apply the eye test as well. What's the problem?
The weight is only an issue sometimes, I forget the kids name but the corner out of Miss state that Washington took at like 170lbs in the 1st round a couple years ago that had a ton of ints but as soon as he got to the league floundered because of his size. So people freak out about weight, but there are a ton of 185lb wrs and corners.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 01, 2025, 11:28:00 AMI don't understand this concern about Hunter's weight and the comparison to DeVonta Smith. Smith was I think 170 pounds when he came out of Alabama. Hunter is 185 pounds I believe. Hunter looks bigger to me than Smith when I apply the eye test as well. What's the problem?
Joe,
I appreciate that outliers can play. That's why I made it clear it was a minor concern. Ideally, you would prefer 195 or 200 pounds, but 185 isn't the end of the world.
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Quote from: MightyGiants on April 01, 2025, 11:39:20 AMJoe,
I appreciate that outliers can play. That's why I made it clear it was a minor concern. Ideally, you would prefer 195 or 200 pounds, but 185 isn't the end of the world.
Rich - so I checked on NFL.com and it lists Hunter as 6'0" and 188 pounds. To me an outlier for a 6'0" WR would be 170 or 175 pounds like what DeVonta Smith was. At 188 pounds being 6'0" I don't think Hunter is an really an outlier. I do get your point though that many receivers are in the 200 pound territory at that size. Guys like Malik Nabers, JaMarr Chase, etc.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 01, 2025, 12:26:01 PMRich - so I checked on NFL.com and it lists Hunter as 6'0" and 188 pounds. To me an outlier for a 6'0" WR would be 170 or 175 pounds like what DeVonta Smith was. At 188 pounds being 6'0" I don't think Hunter is an really an outlier. I do get your point though that many receivers are in the 200 pound territory at that size. Guys like Malik Nabers, JaMarr Chase, etc.
Again, I don't think it's a major issue. That said, since Hunter didn't run at the Combine, you should take that 188 with a grain of salt. He wouldn't be the first player to just get weighed at the Combine to appear heavier and then shed weight to perform their best at their Pro Day
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I'm wondering if he is available at 3 what kind of ransom Schoen can acquire especially when he starts the negotiation with you're getting 2 first round picks in one player. 1, 2, & 5 this yr, 1 and 3 next yr., and don't go below 7.
Quote from: files58 on April 03, 2025, 05:56:33 PMI'm wondering if he is available at 3 what kind of ransom Schoen can acquire especially when he starts the negotiation with you're getting 2 first round picks in one player. 1, 2, & 5 this yr, 1 and 3 next yr., and don't go below 7.
Those are fairy tale selections. Nobody is offering all that for a non-QB position and to only move up say 3-4 spots.
Yea that's a crazy offer. I do think Schoen would be wise to take calls...unlike his predecessor who was locked in on a certain RB and stupidly refused to even listen to offers. But ultimately I think he takes Hunter himself if he's available.
He's just a perfect fit. Giants need help at CB and WR but do not need a #1 at either spot. He can immediately become CB2 if that's what they want, or he can be WR2 (which is what I guess they'd do) and then swap in on long distance passing downs on defense.
And it's also insurance against Banks just being unable to learn how to turn his head around where they can pivot and make him CB2 and then sprinkle him sporadically on offense.
With each passing day I get more excited about the possibility of having this unicorn on the team.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 24, 2025, 08:46:02 AMAfter watching film on several games, there were times Hunter was wide open but Sanders had to bail the pocket early. The worst designed Offense and the worst Oline.
That said, I think Sanders value is a
Mid First Round. 15-20. Actually Ward and Dart too.
If the Giants sign Wilson, I would draft Travis Hunter or Carter and never look back. Then I would move up from the second round for a QB and hope Dart is there.
15-20 for Sanders in total agreement..... my fine feathered friend.
No trade up for any of these QBs. They are a mirage. Stockpile talent and ise Wilson/Winston this year and maybe next year.
Quote from: Trench on April 01, 2025, 06:51:14 AMFair point. I was just pointing out the line was doing quite well early in the season. I'm not sure how much was Thomas. But I was enjoying it while it lasted
How can you enjoy having a single-point of failure at the most important point on the line (i.e. your Left Tackle)??? Throw in Thomas' injury history and it's a valid cause for great concern.
From day one of season 2024, you've read my three Strategic Initiatives for the Giants. The very first one was:
SI1: Fix the (damned) Offensive Line, once and for all, and build depth to withstand the rigors of an entire season.
Thomas goes down against the Bengals and the rest of the offense goes down like dominoes. That's precisely what happened. So, they ended the year with their balanced scorecard bleeding red in that department, as well as the others, but that one was their anchor and their Titanic sank without a trace.
We've talked ad nauseum about them drafting at least two offensive linemen to adequately state they've addressed the line in terms of building quality and depth. The fact is that Thomas' return is no guarantee and neither is his sustainability. So, they need a durable left tackle behind him who will get the job done.
Admittedly, pick three is likely too high for an O-Lineman in this draft. I'm fine with taking Hunter and, even if they want Carter, I can definitely be happy with that selection as well. But, if they have the opportunity to move down the top ten, and now see the best OL draftees available in their position, I'm pulling for them to go for it and draft Thomas' eventual replacement or even the best Guard in the draft. They simply have to get the O-Line fixed, no more excuses.
But I'll gladly sit down and zip my lip if they want to go Hunter or defense with their first pick.
Peace!