Any plan that doesn't have the Giants taking Dart at 3, comes with the risk of another team beating the Giants to the punch.
If you are in favor of trying to get one of the two best players in the draft while maximizing value for Dart, what is your plan B if some other team beats out the Giants (not exactly unheard of in this franchise's draft history)?
How does the QB get filled, and where is the team's future franchise QB?
I would not be opposed to bringing in Howard or McCord at 99 and sitting them for a year or more and see what we have.
I would not mind brining both in and sitting them both, even, or one of them + Rourke a bit later on.
If the opportunity presents itself, I'd like to bring in 2 QB Rooks, and sit them both a full season if possible
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 24, 2025, 09:43:06 AMAny plan that doesn't have the Giants taking Dart at 3, comes with the risk of another team beating the Giants to the punch.
If you are in favor of trying to get one of the two best players in the draft while maximizing value for Dart, what is your plan B if some other team beats out the Giants (not exactly unheard of in this franchise's draft history)?
How does the QB get filled, and where is the team's future franchise QB?
RichL: I would much prefer to lose out on the chance to draft Dart than risk using Pick Three on him.
There are a few "can't miss" prospects in this draft and he is definitely not one of them.
That move IMO would constitute sheer desperation. Sadly, I believe it's a real possibility for this crew,.
Bob
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 24, 2025, 09:58:01 AMI would not be opposed to bringing in Howard or McCord at 99 and sitting them for a year or more and see what we have.
I would not mind brining both in and sitting them both, even, or one of them + Rourke a bit later on.
If the opportunity presents itself, I'd like to bring in 2 QB Rooks, and sit them both a full season if possible
I could see McCord going before pick 99. Maybe Howard last that long.
To further clarify:
I see Ward going 1st overall
Sanders likely top 5-10
Dart round one (not sure exactly where
I see Milroe Schough going in the top half or round 2
I see McCord going round 3
Howard going top of round 4
I see Ewers going top of round 4
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 24, 2025, 10:00:09 AMRichL: I would much prefer to lose out on the chance to draft Dart than risk using Pick Three on him.
There are a few "can't miss" prospects in this draft and he is definitely not one of them.
That move IMO would constitute sheer desperation. Sadly, I believe it's a real possibility for this crew,.
Bob
That's fine, so what's your plan at QB?
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 24, 2025, 10:00:09 AMRichL: I would much prefer to lose out on the chance to draft Dart than risk using Pick Three on him.
There are a few "can't miss" prospects in this draft and he is definitely not one of them.
That move IMO would constitute sheer desperation. Sadly, I believe it's a real possibility for this crew,.
Bob
Agreed. Sometimes when the consensus on a QB is they're a mid-1st round prospect, there's a reason for that- especially in such a QB-focused league and with multiple teams needing one. Dart might still go top ten, but 3 at this point just seems like a reach.
For me, if we don't go QB at 3 and miss out on Dart- the plan is pretty straightforward - draft a prospect with potential in rounds 2-3 and roll with what you've got. Give them plenty of snaps on what is likely a losing team to see if they can be the guy or not- and if they can't, we look to draft a QB next year. Overdrafting a QB and then that dude not turning out to be the guy that can take you to the promised land (or worse...he's just good enough to convince half the fanbase he's "good enough") - leads to another 3-4 years of mediocrity at best.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 24, 2025, 10:06:49 AMI could see McCord going before pick 99. Maybe Howard last that long.
To further clarify:
I see Ward going 1st overall
Sanders likely top 5-10
Dart round one (not sure exactly where
I see Milroe Schough going in the top half or round 2
I see McCord going round 3
Howard going top of round 4
I see Ewers going top of round 4
It is all within the realm of possibility.
Gotta see how the board falls and act accordingly, may have to get pick 65 involved in my scenario as opposed to 99
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 24, 2025, 09:43:06 AMAny plan that doesn't have the Giants taking Dart at 3, comes with the risk of another team beating the Giants to the punch.
If you are in favor of trying to get one of the two best players in the draft while maximizing value for Dart, what is your plan B if some other team beats out the Giants (not exactly unheard of in this franchise's draft history)?
How does the QB get filled, and where is the team's future franchise QB?
Good morning, Rich
@MightyGiants .
I believe I responded to Jess
@Jclayton92 yesterday in that, unless they have a clearer plan to move up to the lower first round, and not give away half of their draft capital in the process, I'd make the move.
But if that doesn't pan out, then sign another QB in free agency to compete with Winston for the starting role, and go all out in 2026 when there should be a broader group of arguably better prospects to choose from.
At this point, the team is lagging in overall talent, and more so depth, in deference to its divisional rivals. That gap must be narrowed and has to take precedence, in my opinion. They've done a decent job, not perfect, not bad at all, but decent in the free agency period. The draft is going to tell the story, though, in whether or not they have narrowed the talent gap.
I'd rather wait and get the guy I have a conviction about who will lead my team to the top of the league. If none of these 2025 QBs give you that feeling, then move on. Hoping is non-value added. You'll either know it or you won't if your guy has the "it" to lead you there.
So, plan "B," which has really been my plan "A" from the start, is to wait for next year's draft.
Peace!
Quote from: kartanoman on March 24, 2025, 10:25:43 AMGood morning, Rich @MightyGiants .
I believe I responded to Jess @Jclayton92 yesterday in that, unless they have a clearer plan to move up to the lower first round, and not give away half of their draft capital in the process, I'd make the move.
But if that doesn't pan out, then sign another QB in free agency to compete with Winston for the starting role, and go all out in 2026 when there should be a broader group of arguably better prospects to choose from.
At this point, the team is lagging in overall talent, and more so depth, in deference to its divisional rivals. That gap must be narrowed and has to take precedence, in my opinion. They've done a decent job, not perfect, not bad at all, but decent in the free agency period. The draft is going to tell the story, though, in whether or not they have narrowed the talent gap.
I'd rather wait and get the guy I have a conviction about who will lead my team to the top of the league. If none of these 2025 QBs give you that feeling, then move on. Hoping is non-value added. You'll either know it or you won't if your guy has the "it" to lead you there.
So, plan "B," which has really been my plan "A" from the start, is to wait for next year's draft.
Peace!
I don't think that's a bad plan (although I would boost the odds by trading to get 2026 draft capital). I do see a problem relating to Schoen and Daboll. If the Giants don't solve their QB problems in year four, it seems highly unlikely that Schoen and Daboll get a year five.
This is a great question. You're probably looking at Winston most of the year starting. I'd say Milroe at 34. Or best qb in 3rd. I'm feeling they go QB at pick 3 if they feel it's the right guy. It's a fascinating choice and careers are on the line. There are great debates for BPA or QB at pick 3.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 24, 2025, 10:07:11 AMThat's fine, so what's your plan at QB?
Rich: Plan A is to trade up from the second round to one of the final ten picks of the first round if they believe he's still un-drafted and they want him.
This "tightrope" must be analyzed on a pick-by-pick basis and be determined by the "professionals" (i.e., Schoen, etc.) so I can't say how high or low within the bottom ten... that's for them to know and for me to find out (on draft day). ;)
Assuming they trade up and somehow still lose Dart, then I'd pick the best offensive or defensive linemen available with the newly-acquired first-round pick. Sh!t happens... and it always seems to happen to the Giants. :(
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 24, 2025, 10:50:12 AMAssuming they trade up and somehow still lose Dart, then I'd pick the best offensive or defensive linemen available with the newly-acquired first-round pick. Sh!t happens... and it always seems to happen to the Giants. :(
Bob
I'm sure you know, Bob, but you don't trade up to a spot and
hope the player you want will be available. You trade up to a spot because the player you want
is available at that spot.
I think the backup plan would be Milroe. I think an athlete of that caliber, along with the brains on that kid, and Daboll thinks a year working with him would turn him into Lamar Jackson-lite. There's a part of me that says if Daboll wasn't sitting in a pot of boiling water he might make that the preference. But given the situation they probably have to go with Sanders/Dart as Plan A.
Quote from: Sem on March 24, 2025, 11:01:14 AMI'm sure you know, Bob, but you don't trade up to a spot and hope the player you want will be available. You trade up to a spot because the player you want is available at that spot.
Steve: You're right. It does work like that most of the time, but suppose (for example) while pick 18 is on the clock, you trade up to pick 20 after Pick 19 refuses your best offer; then, after pick 18 is completed, another team offers the team holding pick 19 a better trade offer than yours. In situations like that, no matter how "careful" you are, you get screwed.
Something a bit like that actually happened to the Giants when the Eagles leap-frogged over them to grab DeVonta Smith. It wasn't exactly the same as my example, but in both cases... (as Robert Burns wrote):
"The best laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft agley" (the best laid plans of mice & men often go awry).
Bob
McCord or Milroe would be my targets.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 24, 2025, 09:43:06 AMAny plan that doesn't have the Giants taking Dart at 3, comes with the risk of another team beating the Giants to the punch.
If you are in favor of trying to get one of the two best players in the draft while maximizing value for Dart, what is your plan B if some other team beats out the Giants (not exactly unheard of in this franchise's draft history)?
How does the QB get filled, and where is the team's future franchise QB?
I agree with Bob. I would not take Dart at 3. I would not even trade any draft assets for him. His rise, I feel, is more about the dearth of talent at that position in this draft than his true ranking. If he were there at 34... possibly. I would rather take Milroe or Slough at 2. Next year is so sketchy for so many reasons we might just be back at this again with a new regime in place.
My preference would be Cam goes #1, and the Giants don't like Sanders. That would leave at least Hunter or Carter for us at #3 if not both. Let the phone ring off the hook, and the bidding begin. I want numerous picks in the top 3 rounds. We need to accumulate good football players. Draft Dart with the trade back(before the jets pick). Draft another QB later. Two rookies to develop. Cousins was a fourth round pick by Wash. after Griffin 111 in the first.
Rich..
Dart is going in the first round..maybe to the Saints at 9. The Jets have committed to Fields, so that would be unlikely....a surprise them taking him, since next year's class of QBs is possibly better. And you have others later..Jags? New coach there..gm..maybe.
I think Dart goes at 9 to the Saints..so the Giants may trade down if someone wants Carter or Hunter badly..draft Dart..before then..and get a second and third..I hope..if they stick at 3 ..Carter or Hunter for me.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 24, 2025, 10:06:49 AMI could see McCord going before pick 99. Maybe Howard last that long.
To further clarify:
I see Ward going 1st overall
Sanders likely top 5-10
Dart round one (not sure exactly where
I see Milroe Schough going in the top half or round 2
I see McCord going round 3
Howard going top of round 4
I see Ewers going top of round 4
I know Schough is moving up the draft charts. The problem could be that he is 26 and if you sit him for a year he starts off at 27 and if it is 2 years then he starts off at 28
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on March 25, 2025, 02:21:42 AMI know Schough is moving up the draft charts. The problem could be that he is 26 and if you sit him for a year he starts off at 27 and if it is 2 years then he starts off at 28
He wouldn't sit. Daboll and Schoen need positive results from whoever they draft in year one to keep their jobs. He might be the closest to pro ready of the group.