one year deal 10.4 mil guarantee, up to 21 mil total
Don't love the move and would have been fine rolling with Jamies, but if this means we won't be drafting a QB at #3 then it's money very well spent.
I like it.
Might not be drafting a QB at all now. Which I'm not a fan of.
One year deal, that works for me. QB has to be out now in the draft, at least in round one. Which makes me happy. A developmental QB later in the draft is certainly possible if not likely.
That's it. No significant QB to be drafted this year. Maybe Milroe or Schough but those would require a Second round pick. Not sure they want to use that on a longshot. If either is there in the third round or one of the other long shots, maybe. They better hope Wilson gets them 7 plus wins or goodbye.
Okay..no Shedurr now..thankfully..cheap deal..get the BPA..Carter or Hunter..okay..let's go. Bobby wanted this..not that I agree with him..but no to Sanders or trading up..fine.
As I had hoped and expected. As for the QB in the draft, I expect them to Draft Hunter, maybe Carter and moving up or picking a QB in Round two.
I like it too. The QB room all of a sudden at least has some professional football players in it. I think this is also a sign that the Ward will go #1 and the rest of the QBs are simply not viewed as #3 material (which I agree with). Still possible we take a developmental guy in rounds 2-4, but I like that we can now take true BPA at #3- and we're locked in on getting an actual, honest to God blue chip player. Which we need sorely to start stockpiling.
Guys, I'm not so sure this precludes drafting a QB and maybe even with that 3rd overall pick. Wilson has a one year deal. The thinking could be, Sanders sits for a year and learns under the two vets in the QB room. Or same thing with Dart, if they can swing a trade.
Either way, I'm happy with this signing. $21M isn't a bad number and it buys us a year to figure something out if we don't draft a QB.
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Wait. What? What's that saying that if you have two would-be starters, you don't have any?
What's the upside? They DON'T take a QB, you win enough games with a couple of decent journeymen (which is what Wilson is now) to ensure that you're not in a position to take a top QB next year.
Do they draft a QB and just have them sit?
I'm sorry, this makes no sense to me.
My suspicion is that while they were all in Miami for the Pro Day, Schoen made one last run at TN for a trade up to the first pick for Ward.
He got his answer and pulled the trigger on Wilson.
I would be shocked if they picked Sanders now.
I think it's Hunter or Carter at three or a trade down, and no QB until at least round three.
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I think Giants should start feeling out who wants the third pick
I love Carter and Hunter .... But I don't think Graham is too far behind talent wise and would also fill a major need
If we can get Graham and pickup another 2nd or 3rd round pick I think you do it .... My hope would still be able to trade back into the first if Dart is still available .... Give up the second , 3rd comp pick , and maybe next years second or third round pick
We get Graham and Dart
This is also depending if Dart gets to post pick 15 in the first round
If not keep the picks and just draft Milroe .... And have him learn
Need talent..have bait at number 3 too..use it to draft
either for Carter..who I think is a great choice, Hunter another..or take offers...position of more strength now..to improve the team then reaching for Sanders or trading up. Feel better.
https://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1904676588987306463
Quote from: killarich on March 25, 2025, 07:23:59 PMI think Giants should start feeling out who wants the third pick
I love Carter and Hunter .... But I don't think Graham is too far behind talent wise and would also fill a major need
If we can get Graham and pickup another 2nd or 3rd round pick I think you do it .... My hope would still be able to trade back into the first if Dart is still available .... Give up the second , 3rd comp pick , and maybe next years second or third round pick
We get Graham and Dart
This is also depending if Dart gets to post pick 15 in the first round
If not keep the picks and just draft Milroe .... And have him learn
Why do anything at all to get Dart now? Or any QB? They've made it clear they are going all in to win now as per the mandate of their bunbling idiot of an owner. So what gives them the best chance to win? Dart as a 3rd stringer or a new RG? Here's a hint: it ain't Dart. I'd be completely shocked if they traded up for any QB at all and surprised if they even drafted one before the 4th or 5th round.
They clearly think they can find 4 new starters in the draft again that actually perform well and that they can make the playoffs with Russ. Personally I think this is dumb because Russ is pretty much cooked and not much of an upgrade to Jameis if at all. But they have no incentive to think about next year or the year after so I understand it.
Maybe this is thinking too much but I would not rule out Sanders with the 3rd pick. Signing Wilson could mean we're drafting Hunter or Carter and it might nudge the Browns into taking Carter with their pick. If they think he's generational, why let the Giants have him. As it is, the Browns have the 1st pick in the 2nd round so they could pick whatever QB is available
https://x.com/AndrewBrandt/status/1904668041444458624
Well for all of those who were dead set against AR coming here, sleep well tonight
More chances to have success with one QB if multiple available. Part of me thinks they may want this for a couple of seasons in lieu of drafting anyone. If no QB, they have all picks to improve other positions.
I still like them drafting say a Milroe in round 2 or 3 and letting him learn from these guys.
Now I think Sanders is definitely out at 3.
Quote from: Symphony Steve on March 25, 2025, 07:15:33 PMWait. What? What's that saying that if you have two would-be starters, you don't have any?
What's the upside? They DON'T take a QB, you win enough games with a couple of decent journeymen (which is what Wilson is now) to ensure that you're not in a position to take a top QB next year.
Do they draft a QB and just have them sit?
I'm sorry, this makes no sense to me.
One way to ensure you draft a QB in the next draft is to make trades in this draft that get you extra picks in next year's draft
I'm only happy if this means BPA available at 3..or a trade down..adding picks..a rookie QB seems a stretch now..ol dt..wr..rb..depth..wait until next year perhaps..if the roster really gets improved on defense..then I'm good..long way to go still..but I didn't want the cost of Ward or Sanders
https://x.com/HaydenWinks/status/1904680204716642403
In the process, just lowered Rodgers market value.
Looks to me that due to the inability to assess talent and potential, they hedge their bets by numbers. They had two mediocre QBs on the roster, they go and sign two others that their own teams did not want, hoping that may be one of the four would be ok!
They have done the same thing with the O line and the TE and pass-rushers, to a degree!!
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 25, 2025, 07:35:27 PMWhy do anything at all to get Dart now? Or any QB? They've made it clear they are going all in to win now as per the mandate of their bunbling idiot of an owner. So what gives them the best chance to win? Dart as a 3rd stringer or a new RG? Here's a hint: it ain't Dart. I'd be completely shocked if they traded up for any QB at all and surprised if they even drafted one before the 4th or 5th round.
They clearly think they can find 4 new starters in the draft again that actually perform well and that they can make the playoffs with Russ. Personally I think this is dumb because Russ is pretty much cooked and not much of an upgrade to Jameis if at all. But they have no incentive to think about next year or the year after so I understand it.
I get you don't like that we signed multiple vets .... But if Joe has another draft like he had last year .... Giants can be a 7-9 win team .... Which will put us in QB hell
So that is why you trade back into the first for Dart if it's possible .... Because we may not get that qb next year
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 25, 2025, 07:44:48 PMIn the process, just lowered Rodgers market value.
He did it to himself
I wanted him at first
But considering the resigning of Slayton .... And Hyatt on life support .... Wilson and his still above average deep ball makes better sense for this team
Quote from: killarich on March 25, 2025, 07:23:59 PMI think Giants should start feeling out who wants the third pick
I love Carter and Hunter .... But I don't think Graham is too far behind talent wise and would also fill a major need
If we can get Graham and pickup another 2nd or 3rd round pick I think you do it .... My hope would still be able to trade back into the first if Dart is still available .... Give up the second , 3rd comp pick , and maybe next years second or third round pick
We get Graham and Dart
This is also depending if Dart gets to post pick 15 in the first round
If not keep the picks and just draft Milroe .... And have him learn
If the Giants trade down, it should be for picks in next year's draft class, so they are in a position to grab a QB then
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 25, 2025, 07:35:27 PMWhy do anything at all to get Dart now? Or any QB? They've made it clear they are going all in to win now as per the mandate of their bunbling idiot of an owner. So what gives them the best chance to win? Dart as a 3rd stringer or a new RG? Here's a hint: it ain't Dart. I'd be completely shocked if they traded up for any QB at all and surprised if they even drafted one before the 4th or 5th round.
They clearly think they can find 4 new starters in the draft again that actually perform well and that they can make the playoffs with Russ. Personally I think this is dumb because Russ is pretty much cooked and not much of an upgrade to Jameis if at all. But they have no incentive to think about next year or the year after so I understand it.
If they like a QB, they can still draft him and let him sit. I could see an uber-talented but raw QB prospect like Milroe being an interest choice
Quote from: Gman329 on March 25, 2025, 07:10:30 PMGuys, I'm not so sure this precludes drafting a QB and maybe even with that 3rd overall pick. Wilson has a one year deal. The thinking could be, Sanders sits for a year and learns under the two vets in the QB room. Or same thing with Dart, if they can swing a trade.
Either way, I'm happy with this signing. $21M isn't a bad number and it buys us a year to figure something out if we don't draft a QB.
No way I'm taking a QB at three and sitting him a year behind two veterans. If a guy isn't ready to start week one or soon thereafter, then he can't be taken at #3. A guy in a later round, I'm good with that. But not the third pick overall.
Giants have great flexibility now. Doubt they go QB at 3 and a project with one of their two 3rd round picks feels much more likely. They're positioned to let the draft board come to them.
Now, they're not geniuses or anything because they still lack a long-term option at QB, but for those who were worried that Daboll and Schoen would mortgage the future to save their jobs, that seems unlikely at this time.
Quote from: killarich on March 25, 2025, 07:47:02 PMI get you don't like that we signed multiple vets .... But if Joe has another draft like he had last year .... Giants can be a 7-9 win team .... Which will put us in QB hell
So that is why you trade back into the first for Dart if it's possible .... Because we may not get that qb next year
Oh I get the logic. But they're making it clear they're not concerned about next year. If they wanted to think about the future they would have only signed one vet and drafted a guy to be the backup. Using a high pick on a 3rd string QB goes directly against this move. The last time the Giants did something so contradictory was when they drafted Barkley and then traded OBJ removing the only other offensive threat and thus wasting Barkley's rookie contract.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 25, 2025, 07:52:56 PMIf they like a QB, they can still draft him and let him sit. I could see an uber-talented but raw QB prospect like Milroe being an interesting choice
Rich, if they trade down..add picks..maybe Milroe then..but they have an opportunity to draft two potential all-pros in Carter and Hunter..I think they will get only one to choose..Browns will and should take Carter..find a QB next round..then Hunter is the obvious choice..Banks to the bench. Roy Green flashbacks for old schoolers like me..two way guy.
Idk why anyone thinks this rules out a rookie.
https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1904689507753926946?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Quote from: PSUBeirut on March 25, 2025, 07:08:49 PMI like it too. The QB room all of a sudden at least has some professional football players in it. I think this is also a sign that the Ward will go #1 and the rest of the QBs are simply not viewed as #3 material (which I agree with). Still possible we take a developmental guy in rounds 2-4, but I like that we can now take true BPA at #3- and we're locked in on getting an actual, honest to God blue chip player. Which we need sorely to start stockpiling.
I agree - but my only issue is nothing is a true blue chip player because we all know Thibs was supposed to be such a player and he is nowhere near what we expected.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 25, 2025, 07:39:59 PMOne way to ensure you draft a QB in the next draft is to make trades in this draft that get you extra picks in next year's draft
NOW you're talking, Rich
@MightyGiants !!!
QB in 2026.
Improve the overall talent base today, will pay dividends when the franchise QB arrives next year.
Let's see if they do try to shop pick three or stay put and get a blue chipper instead. I'm focused on how many offensive linemen they will draft to protect Wilson/Winston (i.e. "Fix the damn Offensive Line!").
This is the best short-term approach in preparation for '26.
Peace!
I guess this means the end of the 'Cutlets' era in Giant history. Maybe, down the road, he will be a great Giant trivia question.
As for this signing, overall, I really don't like it in that we just signed a guy to play QB and most were envisioning big plays out of him. Now, with Wilson, Winston is basically a benchwarmer.
Most here were overjoyed with the Winston signing, now we seem to have an excess of QB's who could start.
More flexibility in the draft as QB isn't a must have. Could be a sign they knew Ward and Sanders were likely going 1 and 2. Carter or Hunter at 3 sounds excellent!
Quote from: LennG on March 25, 2025, 08:36:44 PMI guess this means the end of the 'Cutlets' era in Giant history. Maybe, down the road, he will be a great Giant trivia question.
As for this signing, overall, I really don't like it in that we just signed a guy to play QB and most were envisioning big plays out of him. Now, with Wilson, Winston is basically a benchwarmer.
Most here were overjoyed with the Winston signing, now we seem to have an excess of QB's who could start.
Aye...whoa!!! Fugheddaboutit.. Wilson couldn't even start the season last year with the Steelers..so Jameis still is in play...Good news they can not panic and let the draft come to them..Cutlets..?? Nothing personal..business. Ba da bing
I don't know much about Winston, but I have a lot of respect for Wilson. He is the epitome of the kind of character I wish all men shared...especially my descendants. I don't know what he has left in the tank, but the players are going to love him, and he'll never embarrass us with unsportsmanlike conduct or getting into xxxx outside the playing field. A top shelf human being
Quote from: LennG on March 25, 2025, 08:36:44 PMI guess this means the end of the 'Cutlets' era in Giant history. Maybe, down the road, he will be a great Giant trivia question.
As for this signing, overall, I really don't like it in that we just signed a guy to play QB and most were envisioning big plays out of him. Now, with Wilson, Winston is basically a benchwarmer.
Most here were overjoyed with the Winston signing, now we seem to have an excess of QB's who could start.
Couldn't you have a QB competition?
Here is my take:
I remember Eli Manning was saying he wanted the Giants to bring in a veteran QB, so the rookie can learn from him, before he starts.
Because playing in New York can be a very hostile place to play especially if a rookie is thrown into the fire, and begins to struggle.
These last two signings of Winston and Wilson seem to validate that.
If that is the case, the Giants will draft a QB with the 3rd overall pick (Sanders), or trade up for one I.E. (Dart).
Sanders or Dart will sit for possibly the whole year, or at least most of it and learn how to read a defense and how to be a pro from the veterans, before they start.
Just my take and two cents.
What it means is that they have all the relatively low-cost, short-term QB talent they need to be able to take Sanders at 3 if he's there and they really like him, or work a deal for Dart later, or wait until 2026. I like the flexibility and cost effectiveness, okay?
Cheers!
Quote from: killarich on March 25, 2025, 07:23:59 PMI think Giants should start feeling out who wants the third pick
I love Carter and Hunter .... But I don't think Graham is too far behind talent wise and would also fill a major need
If we can get Graham and pickup another 2nd or 3rd round pick I think you do it .... My hope would still be able to trade back into the first if Dart is still available .... Give up the second , 3rd comp pick , and maybe next years second or third round pick
We get Graham and Dart
This is also depending if Dart gets to post pick 15 in the first round
If not keep the picks and just draft Milroe .... And have him learn
I am a big Graham fan . Pairing him next to Dexter would be great . My good friend who is a huge financial supporter of Michigan football likens him to Hutchinson
Quote from: kartanoman on March 25, 2025, 08:28:31 PMNOW you're talking, Rich @MightyGiants !!!
QB in 2026.
Improve the overall talent base today, will pay dividends when the franchise QB arrives next year.
Let's see if they do try to shop pick three or stay put and get a blue chipper instead. I'm focused on how many offensive linemen they will draft to protect Wilson/Winston (i.e. "Fix the damn Offensive Line!").
This is the best short-term approach in preparation for '26.
Peace!
Quote from: LennG on March 25, 2025, 08:36:44 PMI guess this means the end of the 'Cutlets' era in Giant history. Maybe, down the road, he will be a great Giant trivia question.
As for this signing, overall, I really don't like it in that we just signed a guy to play QB and most were envisioning big plays out of him. Now, with Wilson, Winston is basically a benchwarmer.
Most here were overjoyed with the Winston signing, now we seem to have an excess of QB's who could start.
Ever consider injuries ?
Quote from: sxdxca38 on March 25, 2025, 09:23:47 PMHere is my take:
I remember Eli Manning was saying he wanted the Giants to bring in a veteran QB, so the rookie can learn from him, before he starts.
Because playing in New York can be a very hostile place to play especially if a rookie is thrown into the fire, and begins to struggle.
These last two signings of Winston and Wilson seem to validate that.
If that is the case, the Giants will draft a QB with the 3rd overall pick (Sanders), or trade up for one I.E. (Dart).
Sanders or Dart will sit for possibly the whole year, or at least most of it and learn how to read a defense and how to be a pro from the veterans, before they start.
Just my take and two cents.
One veteran... completely agreed. But not two. With this signing, the Giants have no intention to start a rookie this year, so they either are not drafting one, or will take one after round one that they think needs a full year to be brought along slowly.
Quote from: kartanoman on March 25, 2025, 08:28:31 PMNOW you're talking, Rich @MightyGiants !!!
QB in 2026.
Improve the overall talent base today, will pay dividends when the franchise QB arrives next year.
Let's see if they do try to shop pick three or stay put and get a blue chipper instead. I'm focused on how many offensive linemen they will draft to protect Wilson/Winston (i.e. "Fix the damn Offensive Line!").
This is the best short-term approach in preparation for '26.
Peace!
Who is the franchise QB arriving next year ? Please don't say Arch Manning , he is not com ing out next year .
Quote from: ViewFromSection129 on March 25, 2025, 09:55:07 PMOne veteran... completely agreed. But not two. With this signing, the Giants have no intention to start a rookie this year, so they either are not drafting one, or will take one after round one that they think needs a full year to be brought along slowly.
And what is wrong with that ?
I love the move. Money is good on both contracts too. Our QB room went from Jones/ Lock at $45mm to Wilson/ Winston at $25 mm. Looks like BPA at 3. Dart can still be in play at late 1, but the risk has been seriously hedged.
Quote from: sxdxca38 on March 25, 2025, 09:23:47 PMHere is my take:
I remember Eli Manning was saying he wanted the Giants to bring in a veteran QB, so the rookie can learn from him, before he starts.
Because playing in New York can be a very hostile place to play especially if a rookie is thrown into the fire, and begins to struggle.
These last two signings of Winston and Wilson seem to validate that.
If that is the case, the Giants will draft a QB with the 3rd overall pick (Sanders), or trade up for one I.E. (Dart).
Sanders or Dart will sit for possibly the whole year, or at least most of it and learn how to read a defense and how to be a pro from the veterans, before they start.
Just my take and two cents.
Sitting for a year and maybe more, learning behind Wilson and Winston, is the perfect scenario for a rookie QB to learn and develop.
I'm not a Shedeur fan myself. But if they are in a position to draft a QB they like and believe in, and they feel is worth whatever selection its at, whoever that may be, they have to do it.
The only thing I feel this changes, is removes any possibility of trading for #1 if that was even on the cards to begin with.
I don't care if it is at 3, 34, trade up or down, day 3, Joe Milton or whatever else
They should still bring in a rookie, or maybe Milton should Pats lower their asking price.
Quote from: ViewFromSection129 on March 25, 2025, 09:55:07 PMOne veteran... completely agreed. But not two. With this signing, the Giants have no intention to start a rookie this year, so they either are not drafting one, or will take one after round one that they think needs a full year to be brought along slowly.
Fair enough, but don't be shocked if they do take a QB with the 3rd pick and he sits for most of the year.
Eli Manning has been involved in the process, and with the experience he has this seems like a solid move, but I do understand where you are coming from.
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 25, 2025, 11:09:39 PMSitting for a year and maybe more, learning behind Wilson and Winston, is the perfect scenario for a rookie QB to learn and develop.
I'm not a Shedeur fan myself. But if they are in a position to draft a QB they like and believe in, and they feel is worth whatever selection its at, whoever that may be, they have to do it.
The only thing I feel this changes, is removes any possibility of trading for #1 if that was even on the cards to begin with.
I agree with you and good thoughts.
Question though, may I ask why don't you like Shedeur Sanders? Just curious?
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on March 25, 2025, 09:57:07 PMWho is the franchise QB arriving next year ? Please don't say Arch Manning , he is not com ing out next year .
Arch Manning is eligible to enter the 2026 NFL draft if he so chooses.
And by the way he would be the QB I would want the Giants to draft if they could, but probably won't happen.
Quote from: sxdxca38 on March 25, 2025, 11:31:34 PMArch Manning is eligible to enter the 2026 NFL draft if he so chooses.
And by the way he would be the QB I would want the Giants to draft if they could, but probably won't happen.
I know that Arch Manning is eligible to enter the 2026 Draft. Why would he ? He does not need the money. For what I understand both of his uncles don't want him coimng out , they want him to enjoy the college life.
P.S. As I Duke grad I wish someone would convince Cooper Flagg to do the same .
I'm cautiously optimistic here. Dart was the only early-round QB prospect I liked... lukewarm on Ward... totally against Sanders... but it's a weak class overall. This probably means we wait until next year to spend major capital on the position. (Waiting for Arch Manning, perhaps?)
So this really frees us up to build DT, CB, OT... maybe invest in developmental EDGE and center because Thibs and JMS clearly can't handle what they're being asked to do. But those are details for another thread.
Very glad we didn't give Wilson that 2-year commitment. Maybe he'll compete with Winston for the job, but chances are he wouldn't sign with us at all unless he was promised the starting job.
Honestly, I see this making sense. Here's why:
This Draft is not QB-heavy, neither is it a high quality draft for QBs.
Shadeur, Dart, Ward etc... I don't think these guys are really good players to start with. Sanders in my view lacks the personality to be in NY. The NY Market is completely different as opposed to any other market in the NFL, and if there's a guy that is prone to put himself in the spotlight, well then you're in for a treat.
It also takes away some pressure from the Draft, where teams now know that the Giants might not go QB, so that rattles a couple of cages in terms of draft planning. The Giants CAN go QB still, but don't have to. They can also wait it out and draft one later if there's talent they think is worth taking.
They can also move back from the #3 spot and stack up picks.
Also, there is a chance that the Giants are looking to draft Manning in 2026. I had that thought in the back of my head for a while now...
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 25, 2025, 11:09:39 PMSitting for a year and maybe more, learning behind Wilson and Winston, is the perfect scenario for a rookie QB to learn and develop.
I'm not a Shedeur fan myself. But if they are in a position to draft a QB they like and believe in, and they feel is worth whatever selection its at, whoever that may be, they have to do it.
The only thing I feel this changes, is removes any possibility of trading for #1 if that was even on the cards to begin with.
I think good teams, with an established vet can do this relatively easy.
When you're bad, I don't think you can. And I don't view this as a realistic option.
1. This is a smart move as we are now better protected against injuries having 2 QB who can start NFL games for a combined $14.5m of guarantees, which is peanuts. Neither guys are a long-term answer but they combine to form a solid bridge.
2. It gives us flexibility at 3. If we love Sanders and he is there we draft him. Otherwise BPA and a QB later.
3. Enough with the Milroe talk. He'd be a late day 3 guy without the Bama helmet. Big arm, fast legs, tiny brain. He's about QB10 in this class for me.
4. No AR is a very good thing.
Schoen has had a very good free agency IMO without mortgaging the future as many here feared. He needs to have an equally good draft then it is up to Daboll and his staff.
Quote from: londonblue on March 26, 2025, 06:20:55 AM1. This is a smart move as we are now better protected against injuries having 2 QB who can start NFL games for a combined $14.5m of guarantees, which is peanuts. Neither guys are a long-term answer but they combine to form a solid bridge.
2. It gives us flexibility at 3. If we love Sanders and he is there we draft him. Otherwise BPA and a QB later.
3. Enough with the Milroe talk. He'd be a late day 3 guy without the Bama helmet. Big arm, fast legs, tiny brain. He's about QB10 in this class for me.
4. No AR is a very good thing.
Schoen has had a very good free agency IMO without mortgaging the future as many here feared. He needs to have an equally good draft then it is up to Daboll and his staff.
I hope when you reference Milroe's "tiny brain" you mean football brain. He might be the best student, most accomplished academically than any other QB available. If you want a better reference for a tiny football brain, think of Daniel Jones, Duke grad.
Quote from: GordonGekko80 on March 26, 2025, 04:37:16 AMHonestly, I see this making sense. Here's why:
This Draft is not QB-heavy, neither is it a high quality draft for QBs.
Shadeur, Dart, Ward etc... I don't think these guys are really good players to start with. Sanders in my view lacks the personality to be in NY. The NY Market is completely different as opposed to any other market in the NFL, and if there's a guy that is prone to put himself in the spotlight, well then you're in for a treat.
It also takes away some pressure from the Draft, where teams now know that the Giants might not go QB, so that rattles a couple of cages in terms of draft planning. The Giants CAN go QB still, but don't have to. They can also wait it out and draft one later if there's talent they think is worth taking.
They can also move back from the #3 spot and stack up picks.
Also, there is a chance that the Giants are looking to draft Manning in 2026. I had that thought in the back of my head for a while now...
They are much too good to be in position to draft arch Manning unless he tears his ACL or something.
Quote from: londonblue on March 26, 2025, 06:20:55 AM1. This is a smart move as we are now better protected against injuries having 2 QB who can start NFL games for a combined $14.5m of guarantees, which is peanuts. Neither guys are a long-term answer but they combine to form a solid bridge.
2. It gives us flexibility at 3. If we love Sanders and he is there we draft him. Otherwise BPA and a QB later.
3. Enough with the Milroe talk. He'd be a late day 3 guy without the Bama helmet. Big arm, fast legs, tiny brain. He's about QB10 in this class for me.
4. No AR is a very good thing.
Schoen has had a very good free agency IMO without mortgaging the future as many here feared. He needs to have an equally good draft then it is up to Daboll and his staff.
All of those things are true and helpful to the 2025 team... but what happens after that? They're going to win too many games to finish in the top 5 of the draft but not good enough to make the playoffs. So where does that leave them?
Gmo11, point 2 applies. If that does not provide the answer then we face the same options next year as we did this but with a GM, HC presumably extended and a better roster. Like every team in NFL we keep taking shots until we find the QB answer. There was no sure fire answer in free agency, draft or trade this year so we have lowered our immediate risk without stopping us taking a rookie. The 2026 class is no deeper than this one (Manning will not come out either for those hooked on nostalgia). No harm, no foul.
Quote from: londonblue on March 26, 2025, 06:20:55 AM1. This is a smart move as we are now better protected against injuries having 2 QB who can start NFL games for a combined $14.5m of guarantees, which is peanuts. Neither guys are a long-term answer but they combine to form a solid bridge.
2. It gives us flexibility at 3. If we love Sanders and he is there we draft him. Otherwise BPA and a QB later.
3. Enough with the Milroe talk. He'd be a late day 3 guy without the Bama helmet. Big arm, fast legs, tiny brain. He's about QB10 in this class for me.
4. No AR is a very good thing.
Schoen has had a very good free agency IMO without mortgaging the future as many here feared. He needs to have an equally good draft then it is up to Daboll and his staff.
Neil,
Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe won the 2024 William V. Campbell Trophy, also known as the "Academic Heisman," recognizing his achievements in academics, community service, and on-field performance.
Look, I appreciate that Milroe could prove to be another Malik Willis or Anthony Richardson, that is a very real risk. However, he is the only QB (outside of Ward) with the tools to become a good starting NFL QB. His run element is elite, and he throws an excellent deep ball with a solid arm. He needs to be more consistent with his mechanics and I will confess his processing is still a question mark, but if you are going to take a chance on a developmental project, why not a project with the potential to be the team's answer?
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1904668102232601053
I was listening to podcasts this morning that painted Wilson as a guy who threw almost all his passes outside the numbers. I watched Bobby's video, paying attention to how many of Wilson's completions were inside the numbers. There were far more than I was expecting.
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1904668102232601053
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1904670766341161254
With this signing.....a good one ......legit starting QB. And the need to win this year ( for GM and coach). With the #3 pick in draft they absolutely need to get a day one starter, an impact player,that can start opening day.....or trade down to stockpile picks and still get best available at where they end up in round one...pick QB in second round if their is someone they like.
Do not reach at #3 for a QB .....
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Russell Wilson will be going from:
George Pickens —> Malik Nabers
Calvin Austin —> Wan'Dale Robinson
Van Jefferson —> Darius Slayton
Najee Harris —> Tyrone Tracy Jr
Steelers OL —> Giants OL
Arthur Smith —> Brian Daboll
ALL upgrades 👀
https://x.com/GmenScouting/status/1904737065477996905
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 26, 2025, 08:04:42 AMNeil,
Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe won the 2024 William V. Campbell Trophy, also known as the "Academic Heisman," recognizing his achievements in academics, community service, and on-field performance.
Look, I appreciate that Milroe could prove to be another Malik Willis or Anthony Richardson, that is a very real risk. However, he is the only QB (outside of Ward) with the tools to become a good starting NFL QB. His run element is elite, and he throws an excellent deep ball with a solid arm. He needs to be more consistent with his mechanics and I will confess his processing is still a question mark, but if you are going to take a chance on a developmental project, why not a project with the potential to be the team's answer?
Now having the luxury of being able to sit a guy for a year, or even a bit more, I am much more open to Milroe now than I was before the QB signings. I would be fine taking him as long as it isnt at 3.
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Russell Wilson Time to Pass Splits
Under 2.5s to pass
• 113/152 (74.3%)
• 10 TDs | 1 INTs
• +0.21 EPA/play (7th/35)
• +3.0% CPOE (8th/35)
Over 2.5s to pass
• 101/182 (55.5%)
• 6 TDs | 4 INTs
• -0.29 EPA/play (33rd/35)
• +0.7% CPOE (17th/35)
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I try to ensure we get both sides of every story
https://x.com/RossTuckerPod/status/1904867177661948012
To Tucker's point
https://x.com/NYGDaily/status/1904726781787013594
https://x.com/maestroxv_/status/1904677117784449059
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I have no problem with #Giants signing Russell Wilson, Jameis Winston. I don't think they're much better than Daniel Jones & Drew Lock, but it's irrelevant.
Nothing has changed for what this team must do: Get your franchise QB.
That happens next month
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The tape told a diff story despite Jameis/Russ having their flaws.
DJ & Lock didn't play QB fast. They didn't see things pre snap, post snap, the ball out late or not at all , rarely to back side of plays & ball placement waned at all levels of the field.
Russ&Jameis process both pre and post snap entirely differently. That doesn't mean they always can do. But at least they can think & at times find solutions the Giants QBs last year never could. For Russ, it's typically deep or intermediate & outside the numbers; but you'll see EXs of TEs bending the seam, and solutions in other areas of the field. Jameis finds them all over — but he also has brain farts that lead to INTs
https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1904885174694789198
Here is the most important question in my mind.
When they don't win more than five games this year and maybe two at home, who is going to be in charge of the draft next year when identifying their franchise Quarterback is going to be critical to getting off of this merry go round?
I actually worry less about Schoens' ability to identify and pull talent than I do about Mara. That's not me complimenting Schoen BTW.
Second question: Who is going to coach this team?
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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 26, 2025, 09:25:49 AMHere is the most important question in my mind.
When they don't win more than five games this year and maybe two at home, who is going to be in charge of the draft next year when identifying their franchise Quarterback is going to be critical to getting off of this merry go round?
I actually worry less about Schoens' ability to identify and pull talent than I do about Mara. That's not me complimenting Schoen BTW.
Second question: Who is going to coach this team?
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Andrew,
Until we see how the draft plays out, your questions are difficult to answer.
I agree Rich.
So I guess the real question is, how do we move forward with an owner who is terrible at hiring a GM after putting his current GM in a no win situation?
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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 26, 2025, 09:32:25 AMI agree Rich.
So I guess the real question is, how do we move forward with an owner who is terrible at hiring a GM after putting his current GM in a no win situation?
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Andrew,
I like how Schoen is playing in the off-season. With these two signings, the pressure is off in terms of forcing a QB at three. It remains to be seen if Schoen will play the draft correctly, but at least now he has the ability to do so.
https://x.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1904890980228087995
https://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1904896749501583678
While the majority of stuff is positive toward the signing. There are some negatives
Steelers had no real interest in bringing back Russell Wilson
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https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/steelers-had-no-real-interest-in-bringing-back-russell-wilson
From the guy who broke the Aaron Rodgers visit with the Steelers
https://x.com/gerrydulac/status/1904905953494921450
Quote from: londonblue on March 26, 2025, 07:26:40 AMGmo11, point 2 applies. If that does not provide the answer then we face the same options next year as we did this but with a GM, HC presumably extended and a better roster. Like every team in NFL we keep taking shots until we find the QB answer. There was no sure fire answer in free agency, draft or trade this year so we have lowered our immediate risk without stopping us taking a rookie. The 2026 class is no deeper than this one (Manning will not come out either for those hooked on nostalgia). No harm, no foul.
So by signing both of these QBs to me it's a pretty clear indication that they want to win right now this season, and that makes sense given what Mara said in no uncertain terms after the season. Which means taking a QB at #3 is off the board. Which it should be at this point because why draft a guy to be 3rd string? It's one thing to sign Winston OR Wilson, draft a guy, and then bring the rookie along slowly. But what happens if Russ gets hurt or plays like crap? Winston is the backup and do you think the noise around the team is going to be fine with that, or are they going to be clamoring for the top 5 pick rookie to come in and light up the field? It's setting up the team for disaster and controversy.
It's the same reason why they signed Lock as the backup to Jones last year. They had to find somebody worse than Jones or else it was creating chaos in their own locker room.
What Russ can do at this stage of his career is just enough to keep them out of the top 5 of the draft but not enough to get them into the playoffs. Especially with this schedule. So if you're looking ahead and saying "oh well they'll just get a QB next year". Will they be able to? Cause they're gonna be drafting around 10-15. And take a look at the price of moving up into QB position this year. Is that a price you're willing to pay for a rookie QB next year? When they had a shot right now to just take the 2nd best QB in the draft or take one later in the 1st/early 2nd.
The issue I have is not with Wilson himself. He's going to give the Giants the best QB play they've had in a decade and it'll be nice. But Mara mandating this team win right now immediately is, as per usual, short sighted and going to cause long term damage to the team. If only he could keep his big mouth shut.
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 26, 2025, 11:03:21 AMSo by signing both of these QBs to me it's a pretty clear indication that they want to win right now this season, and that makes sense given what Mara said in no uncertain terms after the season. Which means taking a QB at #3 is off the board. Which it should be at this point because why draft a guy to be 3rd string? It's one thing to sign Winston OR Wilson, draft a guy, and then bring the rookie along slowly. But what happens if Russ gets hurt or plays like crap? Winston is the backup and do you think the noise around the team is going to be fine with that, or are they going to be clamoring for the top 5 pick rookie to come in and light up the field? It's setting up the team for disaster and controversy.
It's the same reason why they signed Lock as the backup to Jones last year. They had to find somebody worse than Jones or else it was creating chaos in their own locker room.
What Russ can do at this stage of his career is just enough to keep them out of the top 5 of the draft but not enough to get them into the playoffs. Especially with this schedule. So if you're looking ahead and saying "oh well they'll just get a QB next year". Will they be able to? Cause they're gonna be drafting around 10-15. And take a look at the price of moving up into QB position this year. Is that a price you're willing to pay for a rookie QB next year? When they had a shot right now to just take the 2nd best QB in the draft or take one later in the 1st/early 2nd.
The issue I have is not with Wilson himself. He's going to give the Giants the best QB play they've had in a decade and it'll be nice. But Mara mandating this team win right now immediately is, as per usual, short sighted and going to cause long term damage to the team. If only he could keep his big mouth shut.
In this I completely agree, Mara made a terrible statement to force a win now mandate on the coach and GM.
One of the things I love about this board is the shared differences of opinion. Right now the QB room(sic) is light years ahead of where it was a year ago. Russell Wilson has forgotten things about being a QB that Jones has never will/never has known about being a QB. Daboll has someone who can run his whole offense, and not be spoonfed, and babysat like Jones. MOST IMPORTANT. We will draft a QB. It could be at #3 or anywhere. HE WILL BE MENTERED BY DABOLL AND WILSON. HE WILL BE SHOWN HOW TO BE A NFL QB. He will take over in 26' with Winston as backup.
One thing I will say is that the two QBs are positive personalities, not sure how much that is worth on the field.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 26, 2025, 11:38:45 AMOne thing I will say is that the two QBs are positive personalities, not sure how much that is worth on the field.
Throw in Tommy Cutlets, the Giants just might have the most interesting QB room in the entire league :D
The big question mark at QB will be Milroe. Will be a big bust or the second coming of Lamar Jackson , although I am told he is a better runner than Jackson .
Can some QB WHisperer teach him how to pass properly, learn how to read defenses , how to check off , when to throw the ball away etc? If that person can be located Milroe can be a superstar in the league .
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 26, 2025, 08:24:19 AMI was listening to podcasts this morning that painted Wilson as a guy who threw almost all his passes outside the numbers. I watched Bobby's video, paying attention to how many of Wilson's completions were inside the numbers. There were far more than I was expecting.
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1904668102232601053
I watched a highlight clip last night of Wilson and came away with the exact same concerns - wow everything is outside the numbers.
I'm very glad to hear you have seen otherwise because Theo needs to be a major contributor
One thing I watch for on deeper throws is how much the receiver has to adjust to the QB's throw. Wilson was so on target there was hardly any adjustment by his receivers on these long throws
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1904930078045204534
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 26, 2025, 09:34:47 AMAndrew,
I like how Schoen is playing in the off-season. With these two signings, the pressure is off in terms of forcing a QB at three. It remains to be seen if Schoen will play the draft correctly, but at least now he has the ability to do so.
I really have no issue with Schoen. My anger and frustration is pointed toward Mara, as he's cut Joe off at the knees as I see it, and when you combine that with the fact that Johnny has no clue how to hire, it keeps us dysfunctional.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 26, 2025, 09:34:47 AMAndrew,
I like how Schoen is playing in the off-season. With these two signings, the pressure is off in terms of forcing a QB at three. It remains to be seen if Schoen will play the draft correctly, but at least now he has the ability to do so.
Yup. And the last draft was very good.
Hopefully that continues.
His first draft he napped the consensus 2 and 3 picks. They've not pannned out. That's not all on him.
I think he drafts okay and makes additions better outside of the draft.
I'm excited to see what he and his team can find in April.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on March 26, 2025, 02:10:48 PMYup. And the last draft was very good.
Hopefully that continues.
His first draft he napped the consensus 2 and 3 picks. They've not pannned out. That's not all on him.
I think he drafts okay and makes additions better outside of the draft.
I'm excited to see what he and his team can find in April.
Schoen did have a strong draft in 2024. It's hard to fault him heavily for Neal and Thibs. I think the biggest issue I have with Schoen was his drafting of outliers (Wan'Dale and Flott, and drafting two players from the terrible NC O-line in draft one (Ezeudu and McKethan). Regardless of how I feel, I think it's fairly objective to say overall, Schoen has not done a good job maximizing the draft capital he was given over the last 3 drafts (even though my individual faults were limited to 4 picks or so.
Part of the issue is the team still has Ronnie Barnes. If you recall, I posted how many injuries and time was missed by Gettleman's last draft class. It's hard to have successful drafts if they are spending more time in the trainer's room than on the field.
I guess beyond the issues I listed in the first paragraph, I would have liked to see Schoen draft at least one QB in his first 3 years. By Schoen's own actions, it's not like he had a crowded QB room full of proven talent.
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 26, 2025, 11:03:21 AMSo by signing both of these QBs to me it's a pretty clear indication that they want to win right now this season, and that makes sense given what Mara said in no uncertain terms after the season. Which means taking a QB at #3 is off the board. Which it should be at this point because why draft a guy to be 3rd string? It's one thing to sign Winston OR Wilson, draft a guy, and then bring the rookie along slowly. But what happens if Russ gets hurt or plays like crap? Winston is the backup and do you think the noise around the team is going to be fine with that, or are they going to be clamoring for the top 5 pick rookie to come in and light up the field? It's setting up the team for disaster and controversy.
It's the same reason why they signed Lock as the backup to Jones last year. They had to find somebody worse than Jones or else it was creating chaos in their own locker room.
What Russ can do at this stage of his career is just enough to keep them out of the top 5 of the draft but not enough to get them into the playoffs. Especially with this schedule. So if you're looking ahead and saying "oh well they'll just get a QB next year". Will they be able to? Cause they're gonna be drafting around 10-15. And take a look at the price of moving up into QB position this year. Is that a price you're willing to pay for a rookie QB next year? When they had a shot right now to just take the 2nd best QB in the draft or take one later in the 1st/early 2nd.
The issue I have is not with Wilson himself. He's going to give the Giants the best QB play they've had in a decade and it'll be nice. But Mara mandating this team win right now immediately is, as per usual, short sighted and going to cause long term damage to the team. If only he could keep his big mouth shut.
I like this take, but the one thing I don't know i agree with is the giants ending up around 10-15 in the draft pecking order next year. Yes, we've gotten better, but we were 3-14 this year. And with next year's schedule, I'm not sure i see us being that dramatically better. Better talent, but not great talent... and a very hard schedule. Time will tell.
It's gonna be very interesting to see how Dabol handles the preseason games.