isn't Carter's talent as to me he is the best prospect in the draft, regardless of position. It's that our DC Bowen isn't creative enough to maximise his use and that of Burns and Thibodeaux at the same time.
Last year, Bowen failed to adjust his system to fit the personnel we had and I thought he should have been fired because of it. If he can't do that this year he's going to waste the talent we've put together in the secondary, let alone the abilities of those up front.
The more I think about it, the more I like the fact we brought Manuel Marquand in as Secondary Coach because with his success as a DC earlier in his career, he's a hedge on firing Bowen mid-season if there isn't a huge improvement from him
Quote from: UKGiantsFan on March 26, 2025, 03:56:18 AMisn't Carter's talent as to me he is the best prospect in the draft, regardless of position. It's that our DC Bowen isn't creative enough to maximise his use and that of Burns and Thibodeaux at the same time.
Last year, Bowen failed to adjust his system to fit the personnel we had and I thought he should have been fired because of it. If he can't do that this year he's going to waste the talent we've put together in the secondary, let alone the abilities of those up front.
The more I think about it, the more I like the fact we brought Manuel Marquand in as Secondary Coach because with his success as a DC earlier in his career, he's a hedge on firing Bowen mid-season if there isn't a huge improvement from him
Ceri: Sometimes a team has so much talent. even a bad coach can't lose. Eagles' head coach, for one. Bob
Quote from: UKGiantsFan on March 26, 2025, 03:56:18 AMisn't Carter's talent as to me he is the best prospect in the draft, regardless of position. It's that our DC Bowen isn't creative enough to maximise his use and that of Burns and Thibodeaux at the same time.
Last year, Bowen failed to adjust his system to fit the personnel we had and I thought he should have been fired because of it. If he can't do that this year he's going to waste the talent we've put together in the secondary, let alone the abilities of those up front.
The more I think about it, the more I like the fact we brought Manuel Marquand in as Secondary Coach because with his success as a DC earlier in his career, he's a hedge on firing Bowen mid-season if there isn't a huge improvement from him
Ceri,
If the Giants draft Carter, there will be challenges in terms of using all three starting caliber edge rushers. Obviously, they could just rotate the three and keep coming at opposing offenses in waves of top-end edge rushers (which will be a killer challenge for opposing OTs). It's also possible to put one of them inside on rushing downs (Burns?). Finally you could put Carter in ILB to really mess up opposing offenses.
As for Burns, he wasn't terrible until he started losing his top players like Dex and Bobby O.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 26, 2025, 08:12:23 AMCeri,
If the Giants draft Carter, there will be challenges in terms of using all three starting caliber edge rushers. Obviously, they could just rotate the three and keep coming at opposing offenses in waves of top-end edge rushers (which will be a killer challenge for opposing OTs). It's also possible to put one of them inside on rushing downs (Burns?). Finally you could put Carter in ILB to really mess up opposing offenses.
As for Burns, he wasn't terrible until he started losing his top players like Dex and Bobby O.
Rich: This is precisely what I suggested two days ago. I was uncertain who would be the 'odd man out' at that time (Okereke or McFadden) but the cost factor comes into play and I think it would be Okereke. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 26, 2025, 08:21:27 AMRich: This is precisely what I suggested two days ago. I was uncertain who would be the 'odd man out' at that time (Okereke or McFadden) but the cost factor comes into play and I think it would be Okereke. Bob
If the Giants draft Carter, I could see Okereke potentially being traded during the draft.
If Carter is what many think he is, how hard is it to put him in a position to succeed as you should just be able to line him up on one side and send him? He's a speed guy, not a speed to power guy (at least not yet) so line him up where he relies on his speed more than power. Maybe that is as an ILB where he can selectively blitz or at a certain numerical technique that uses more speed (7 tech?).
Not to hijack this, but is Simmons still a Giant?
Quote from: LennG on March 26, 2025, 11:52:00 AMNot to hijack this, but is Simmons still a Giant?
Believe his one year deal expired and he became a FA this month
If we draft Carter at #3 then somewhere within the first four rounds they should draft another LB that hits like a Tiger tank going through a wood frame house. I want not just a good defense, but a destructive one. A defense that teams fear playing because they know they will get beat up, and badly. Put it this way I'd give up 7 points to see Hurts, Dak lying on the ground counting the crowd. I didn't include Daniels because he'd probably get away. The next tush push Hurts comes out of the pile with a busted nose streaming blood. A DL's large finger can do a nasty on a nostril. Carl Banks has said many times there are nasty things happening in a pile. The Giants need attitude.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 26, 2025, 08:25:23 AMIf the Giants draft Carter, I could see Okereke potentially being traded during the draft.
I think his dead cap would prevent that. But yes, no smoke without fire re: Okereke not being a Bowen guy
Why/how would an EDGE make a quality ILB expendable?
I think adding a premier edge rusher is not nearly as important as a pass rushing DE in the mold of Leonard Williams. Carter is a 6-3, 250lb ER/LB. We have bookend ERs that are more than adequate as long as there's pressure coming from elsewhere other than our two ERs who have become the focus of stopping. Throw in a big boy pass rushing DE next to Dex and all hell breaks loose for an offensive line trying to hold back the water after the dam breaks
Jarod Ivey, Jordan Burch, and JJ Pegues come to mind...and they can be had in the 3rd or later rounds...maybe :-??
Quote from: UKGiantsFan on March 26, 2025, 03:56:18 AMisn't Carter's talent as to me he is the best prospect in the draft, regardless of position. It's that our DC Bowen isn't creative enough to maximise his use and that of Burns and Thibodeaux at the same time.
Last year, Bowen failed to adjust his system to fit the personnel we had and I thought he should have been fired because of it. If he can't do that this year he's going to waste the talent we've put together in the secondary, let alone the abilities of those up front.
The more I think about it, the more I like the fact we brought Manuel Marquand in as Secondary Coach because with his success as a DC earlier in his career, he's a hedge on firing Bowen mid-season if there isn't a huge improvement from him
There's a really good chance Daboll is unemployed at seasons end. If that happens your next coordinator has a Parsonsesqe weapon to use. I'd could see taking him if someone who needs an edge is willing to trade a good defensive tackle for Thibs.
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 26, 2025, 04:41:49 PMWhy/how would an EDGE make a quality ILB expendable?
He can also play ILB
Quote from: UKGiantsFan on March 26, 2025, 03:56:18 AMisn't Carter's talent as to me he is the best prospect in the draft, regardless of position. It's that our DC Bowen isn't creative enough to maximise his use and that of Burns and Thibodeaux at the same time.
Last year, Bowen failed to adjust his system to fit the personnel we had and I thought he should have been fired because of it. If he can't do that this year he's going to waste the talent we've put together in the secondary, let alone the abilities of those up front.
The more I think about it, the more I like the fact we brought Manuel Marquand in as Secondary Coach because with his success as a DC earlier in his career, he's a hedge on firing Bowen mid-season if there isn't a huge improvement from him
I was critical and still very weary of Bowen
But weren't the Giants leading the league in sacks for a decent portion of the season ?
Even with that I think he needs to be a little more aggressive with the pass rush and utilize blitzes a tad bit more
The defenses weakness last season was the secondary and major lack of turnovers .... We seem to have upgraded the secondary pretty well
Those additions + the possibility of drafting someone like Graham or Carter should only make Bowens defense a lot better and his life easier
But we shall see
I'd play Carter at MLB on 1st and 2nd down, then pass rusher on 3rd down with Lawrence, Golson, Burns, Thibs, Okereke, Carter, and Dimukeje on the field on
Chatman, Lawrence, Golson
Thibs, Carter, Okereke, Burns
Then
Burns, Lawrence, Golson, Thibs
Carter, okereke, Dimukeje
I think you can move Carter all over the field and he'll be elite. Plus if you don't Resign Thibodeaux then you have Carter, or if you don't Resign Okereke then you have Carter.
With Hunter I play him at WR year 1 because the most immediate impact he can make this coming year is at Wr. With all the the assests teams will throw at Nabors now knowing that we actually have Qbs that excel going deep will leave Hunter one 1⃣ one with teams number 2 or 3 CB. The ome thing I got from the Sanders tape I watched is that Hunter is easily the best Wr in this class and it's not being talked about enough how elite he is at the position. I would also have him learn CB in the event that we have an injury and if you do lose Banks or he doesn't continue to develop. Either way with Hunter, you immediately have one the top 5 to 10 CB groups or Wr groups going into next year.
Outside AJ Brown/Smith, and Higgins/Chase who would have a better 2 deep, or even 4 deep at Wr? I'd take Nabors/Hunter over Metcalf/Pickens, Nacua/Adams, Evans/Godwin, St Brown/Williamson, Mclaurin/Deebo. Our 4 deep of Nabors, Hunter, Wandale, Slayton could go up against any 4 deep in the NFL.
Especially when you factor in age, contract etc.
Likewise on defense, we immediately have the best young secondary in the league.
Adebo, Holland 25
Banks Nubin, Phillips 23
Hunter 21
Even if you put Carter back into the discussion, and we take him, then who I'm the NFL would have a better front 7 than us? Okereke, and Lawrence are a year removed from being top 2 at their position then you add Golson who I think will blow up with us next to dex, and then Thibs, Burns, Carter, and Dimukeje.
Either way with these two guys we win, and then have 4 more picks in the top 105 to add to the team. I know a lot of people have been down on the team and the roster but we have really young, good talent, and if we ace this draft then we could legitimately be a Qb away.
Say ontop of Carter or Hunter, we add a DT, RG, RB, (Wr or Edge depending on who we take at 3), a developmental tackle, and TE. Say we hit on all of them, then in my eyes we have the best YOUNG team in the NFL, and would just be missing a QB.
All that to say that things could be changing really quickly around here, and for all the xxxx Schoen gets, if we hit this draft out of the park then I'm more excited for this team than I have been in a decade.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 26, 2025, 10:39:43 PMI'd play Carter at MLB on 1st and 2nd down, then pass rusher on 3rd down with Lawrence, Golson, Burns, Thibs, Okereke, Carter, and Dimukeje on the field on
Chatman, Lawrence, Golson
Thibs, Carter, Okereke, Burns
Then
Burns, Lawrence, Golson, Thibs
Carter, okereke, Dimukeje
I think you can move Carter all over the field and he'll be elite. Plus if you don't Resign Thibodeaux then you have Carter, or if you don't Resign Okereke then you have Carter.
J: That plan also works. Although Carter and Micah Parson are very different players, the thing they have most in common is that they are both very comfortable starting from multiple defensive positions. Bob
If we were to take Carter, how good is he at coverage ? Is it possible he can start in McFadden's spot ? Can he play with his hand in the ground at all ?
Quote from: killarich on March 27, 2025, 05:25:56 AMIf we were to take Carter, how good is he at coverage ? Is it possible he can start in McFadden's spot ? Can he play with his hand in the ground at all ?
Both, he's played Mike, outside linebacker, and Edge in college excelling at all positions. He took 750 snaps off tackle, and a 1,000 at off ball linebacker in college.