I've been watching Bhayshul Tuten, the VT running back, He has a history of fumbling but he runs a 4.32x 40 and his contact balance is the best I have seen in years. He does not fall to the ground after he gets hit. He manages to stay on his feet. Home run threat for sure. He runs hard.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 28, 2025, 11:33:58 AMI've been watching Bhayshul Tuten, the VT running back, He has a history of fumbling but he runs a 4.32x 40 and his contact balance is the best I have seen in years. He does not fall to the ground after he gets hit. He manages to stay on his feet. Home run threat for sure. He runs hard.
I would like NYG to add a running back in this draft. Tracy is good, but he needs another RB to pair with. My preference is a bigger back who could also handle short yardage duty.
How big is Tuten?
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2025, 11:39:54 AMI would like NYG to add a running back in this draft. Tracy is good, but he needs another RB to pair with. My preference is a bigger back who could also handle short yardage duty.
How big is Tuten?
Average size, 5"11 209
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2025, 11:39:54 AMI would like NYG to add a running back in this draft. Tracy is good, but he needs another RB to pair with. My preference is a bigger back who could also handle short yardage duty.
How big is Tuten?
He's short at under 5'10 and weighs about 210. He's got really strong lower body which keeps him from falling to the ground. He ran the 40 faster than Barkley and Gibbs. I see him as more of an Achane type runner. Giants need more explosiveness on O.
Pauline has mentioned him a few times on the Draft Season podcast with Schmeelk
I'd rather Sanders or Mullins or someone of that mold but he's a good back. Would not be opposed to drafting him.
I would love to see Giants field a starting unit of skill players who are generally under 4.4x guys. Imagine Nabers, Hunter, Tai Felton, and a RB like Tuten.
Quote from: Philosophers on March 28, 2025, 12:56:14 PMI would love to see Giants field a starting unit of skill players who are generally under 4.4x guys. Imagine Nabers, Hunter, Tai Felton, and a RB like Tuten.
This is the way guys like former GM Mike Lombardi preaches how you build a team. You envision what you want your team to be.
Joe Schoen, on the other hand, asks his coaches what sort of player they want him to draft.
I agree with you guys about adding another RB in this draft. Something like the 4th round makes sense. Having two solid RBs on rookie contracts is appealing to me.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2025, 12:58:05 PMThis is the way guys like former GM Mike Lombardi preaches how you build a team. You envision what you want your team to be.
Joe Schoen, on the other hand, asks his coaches what sort of player they want him to draft.
Exactly. Asking coaches what each wants gets you ill fitting pieces to a puzzle.
Design it then go get the pieces.
I know that fumbling can be fixed but with some guys, it never gets fixed. I would have a problem drafting an RB who has a history of fumbling especially in a year where there supposedly lots of good RB prospects and its not a critical need.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2025, 12:58:05 PMThis is the way guys like former GM Mike Lombardi preaches how you build a team. You envision what you want your team to be.
Joe Schoen, on the other hand, asks his coaches what sort of player they want him to draft.
In his 1 year as a GM, Lombardi had a 4-12 record. In his many years as a pro personnel director, his teams are well below .500.
Schoen is no model GM, that's for sure. But neither is Lombardi.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 28, 2025, 03:05:15 PMIn his 1 year as a GM, Lombardi had a 4-12 record. In his many years as a pro personnel director, his teams are well below .500.
Schoen is no model GM, that's for sure. But neither is Lombardi.
If Lombardi is as bad as you claim, why did the greatest head coach of all time, Bill Belichick, tap him to be his GM at NC State?
Coaches have designed schemes that work best when performed by players that have the required skill sets. So what is wrong with a coach who, for example, utilizes the RB in his passing attack, asking the scouts to look with one with good hands? Wasn't it Parcells who famously said if you want me to cook the meal you should let me buy the groceries?
Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on March 28, 2025, 03:27:05 PMCoaches have designed schemes that work best when performed by players that have the required skill sets. So what is wrong with a coach who, for example, utilizes the RB in his passing attack, asking the scouts to look with one with good hands? Wasn't it Parcells who famously said if you want me to cook the meal you should let me buy the groceries?
Rich's point is that you dont ask each individual coach but rather get a general direction from a coherent strategy determined by the coaches.
I think the sleeper pick of the draft is LeQuint Allen, RB from Syracuse. Early on, Mel Kiper had his listed as the 3rd best RB, and several sources had him no.2. Then, over the next month, he dropped and dropped and dropped...or, others rose and rose and rose. Whatever the case, he's the same guy going into the draft as he was at the end of the season, and because he has dropped, he will be a steal for some team in the later rounds. I suspect he'll be drafted higher than the draftee consensus among talking heads and fans
Without a doubt, he is the best pass catching RB in the draft - bar none. Sure hands and he doesn't turn the ball over. Crafty, slippery, tough as nails, and turns a crap situation into a winning driver or TD. I've watched pretty much every one of his games that was televised for the last two years, and he just rises to the occasion and gets whatever needs to be done to win a game. He is commonly compared to a bigger, faster, Tyrone Tracy because of his route running and pass catching ability as a RB
A Denver Bronco's report: https://www.milehighreport.com/2025/3/27/24391701/nfl-draft-profile-syracuse-running-back-lequint-allen
A short summary via video:
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2025, 03:08:48 PMIf Lombardi is as bad as you claim, why did the greatest head coach of all time, Bill Belichick, tap him to be his GM at NC State?
I don't claim anything. I gave you facts. Like Parcells said, you are what your record is. And Lombardi's record stinks.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 28, 2025, 05:27:07 PMI don't claim anything. I gave you facts. Like Parcells said, you are what your record is. And Lombardi's record stinks.
That's a lot of judgment for a single season
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2025, 06:05:01 PMThat's a lot of judgment for a single season
He was a director of player personnel or senior personnel executive for 15 years in the NFL. and his teams were well below .500 over that period. In addition to his 4-12 record as a GM, it's a judgment rooted in facts.
Just looked up Lombardi in Wilkapedia. He's 65 year old and was a GM for 1 year with the Browns. It's not like he had a long successful career as a GM. Second, everyone knows that Belichick runs his operation. Highly likely that Lombardi does exactly what he's told which is very different than what pro GMs di. Last, I used to listen to his podcast and thought he usually made sense even with respect to criticism of the Giants. But, I came away thinking that Lombardi, as does Louis Riddivk, will criticize Schoen rightly and wrongly, but never bring up Mara which tells me something. Schoen had a what looks like a good draft last year and what looks like a good free agent period. I'm hopeful going forward if Mara can stay out of the way
Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 28, 2025, 06:12:41 PMHe was a director of player personnel or senior personnel executive for 15 years in the NFL. and his teams were well below .500 over that period. In addition to his 4-12 record as a GM, it's a judgment rooted in facts.
Quote from: nb587 on March 28, 2025, 06:15:13 PMJust looked up Lombardi in Wilkapedia. He's 65 year old and was a GM for 1 year with the Browns. It's not like he had a long successful career as a GM. Second, everyone knows that Belichick runs his operation. Highly likely that Lombardi does exactly what he's told which is very different than what pro GMs di. Last, I used to listen to his podcast and thought he usually made sense even with respect to criticism of the Giants. But, I came away thinking that Lombardi, as does Louis Riddivk, will criticize Schoen rightly and wrongly, but never bring up Mara which tells me something. Schoen had a what looks like a good draft last year and what looks like a good free agent period. I'm hopeful going forward if Mara can stay out of the way
Lombardi learned football from Bill Walsh, Al Davis, and Bill Belichick.
I think he's worth listening to
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2025, 06:25:32 PMLombardi learned football from Bill Walsh, Al Davis, and Bill Belichick.
I think he's worth listening to
That's great. Listen to him all you want.
In your original post that I responded to, you compared Lombardi's team-building philosophies with Schoen. And my comment was simply that Lombardi's philosophy amounted to a terrible record, just like Schoen's.
Not sure why you take such an issue with that.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 28, 2025, 06:34:36 PMThat's great. Listen to him all you want.
In your original post that I responded to, you compared Lombardi's team-building philosophies with Schoen. And my comment was simply that Lombardi's philosophy amounted to a terrible record, just like Schoen's.
Not sure why you take such an issue with that.
The Giants, who Mike often cites using the philosophy, won two Super Bowls (under Parcells and Young) using the philosophy you think is flawed because Mike had one losing season. Also he learned this from guys like Walsh and Belichick. How are their records???
Quote from: Philosophers on March 28, 2025, 03:55:54 PMRich's point is that you dont ask each individual coach but rather get a general direction from a coherent strategy determined by the coaches.
Ok. What evidence is there that Schoen/ Daboll aren't operating that way?
I think we forget Dante Miller is still here. His speed was the talk of camp last season and the Giants kept him all year on the PS after not playing football for 18 months due to an NCAA mix up that made him ineligible for the 2024 draft. Assuming he added some weight during the year, as most RBs do their rookie season, he could find his way onto the roster as a backup if he can contribute on special teams. Short, but not small (5'9", 200lbs) with good hands, and according to the reports from camp last season "the fastest player who has ever been here."
What about Cam Skatebo ?
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on March 31, 2025, 03:27:48 AMWhat about Cam Skatebo ?
Depends if he is available on Day 3
I would rather a bigger back to pair with Tracy, but I would be perfectly fine if they drafted him on Day 3, he may go higher though.
Bhayshul Tuten is more explosive than any of the mid-round RB picks being talked about. 4.3 speed, more runs of greater than 10 yards (I think), great contact balance, plays for Virginia Tech which tends to produce hard nosed players.
NFL scouts are saying Tuten is closest to Jahmyr Gibbs of any of this NFL Draft's running back class. We can use that type of player.