Since the odds seem to be favoring him (as the elite prospect that will be available at 3) these days:
Here is SIS Scouting Report on him
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Overall
Abdul Carter is an EDGE in Penn State's variable-front defense that uses pressure-man concepts. While he spent his first 2 seasons as an off-ball Linebacker, Carter excelled in his 3rd year as an edge player, both upright and with his hand in the dirt. He played in all 42 games since stepping on campus and started 35. Carter is an ultra-explosive, bendy edge rusher with fluidity and agility that is rarely seen in prospects. He plays with supreme confidence and finishes every snap with force.
Pass Game
Carter is a high-upside pass rusher that has a tantalizing blend of quickness, agility, and ability to bend the corner. On passing downs, he is unblockable without help and easily blazes past his opponents. Though he doesn't have a deep bag of moves, he is adept at using his inside hand to stay clean while turning the corner with fluidity. Carter likes to give himself a two-way go when closing the gap, as he varies his tempo and can swiftly cross the face of tackles that overset in either direction. While he does frequently win with pure finesse, he flashes independent hands and good grip strength when rushing the passer and in the run game.
Unfortunately, Carter does not show a speed-to-power move. Adding one to his toolkit would make him a devastating pass rusher at the next level. He also struggles against opponents with length, occasionally getting swallowed up or stalling out. Carter does rush relentlessly and wears on his opponents throughout the game, frequently feasting in the fourth quarter. He displays effort in every aspect of his game and when he does get too deep on his rush, he does a great job of retracing and closing on the quarterback in a hurry. When dropping into coverage, Carter moves like a safety and has the long speed to stay with some receivers at the next level. He does lack instincts and it is clear that he is more of an athlete than a football player, but any snap he isn't rushing the passer is a win for the offense.
Run Game
When facing the rush, Carter looks to get his hands on opponents first and has some knock-back ability. While his lack of bulk and power will lead to him getting moved off his spot, Carter shows good lateral strength and is able to strain while reading the backfield. He plays with a natural leverage that helps him uproot tight ends and shock loafing linemen. His agility and balance allow him to split doubles, deftly evade cutting blockers, and be a menace on the back side of plays. Unfortunately, he will take himself out of some plays by trying to win with speed and he gets swallowed up. When he does win on those plays though, he will impact the game with splash plays. As a tackler, Carter looks to attack the ball and has been productive, though there have been times when he needs to just get the runner down.
Last Word
Overall, Carter projects to be a sack specialist immediately at the next level and will quickly be able to make an impact on all 3 downs. His best fit will be as an EDGE in a 4-man front and his impact will be greatest on passing downs on a team that can get him into as many individual matchups on the edge as possible. He will hold up as a base-down run defender, though he has room to add strength and may get moved around early in his career. His athleticism and experience give him some scheme versatility and he can easily be dropped into space or used to carry anyone up the seam. Carter's physicality and intensity will bolster any defense's personality and will be on display on special teams as soon as he steps on the field.
https://nfldraft.sportsinfosolutions.com/players/1082
Here is Bob McGinn's report on him:
1. ABDUL CARTER, Penn State (6-3 ½, 250, no 40, 1): Third-year junior. "Early in the season he didn't show much but he was dominating after that," one scout said. "I'd take (Aidan) Hutchinson. It's two different body types and two different type of twitches. Carter's more twitchy. Hutchinson is stronger, more rangy. Carter can come off the edge and bend better." Started in 2023 as an off-the-ball linebacker before moving to the edge last season. "It's almost like they did Micah Parsons," said a second scout. "I guess those guys don't know how to coach there. They got the top pick in the draft playing inside linebacker last year. He's a legitimate difference-maker. He's rare with his motor and athletic ability. He does get beat up some. He's on the ground too often. He's just going to keep getting better once he gets more reps (outside)." Started 35 of 42 games, finishing with 172 tackles (41 for loss), 23 sacks, 13 passes defensed and five forced fumbles. "He's, like, really good," said a third scout. "He's f-----g quick. He's got a get-off. Fluid. Elite pass rusher. He closes quickly and has range all over the field. In the run game, he's not the most powerful taking on blocks but, xxxx, the run and chase on him, he's all over. But the pass game is where he makes his money."
Spent the off-season rehabilitating foot and shoulder injuries. "He's just what you want up there (top of the first round)," a fourth scout said. "He's a Pro Bowl player. He's got everything you're looking for as an edge rusher. But he's not a quality guy." That scout was one of four personnel people to express reservations about Carter's makeup. "He's not a great worker," said one. "Plays his ass off on Saturday but he's not a great guy during the week because he's so gifted. I give him credit. He got hurt in the Boise State (playoff) game and had no business playing against Notre Dame. Played, and played his ass off. He's a modern, high-maintenance, big-time player. There are similarities to Micah Parsons as a player and as a kid. Micah was probably a little more malicious coming out." Four-year recruit from Philadelphia. Lettered in basketball as a power forward. "Super athletic," said a fifth scout. "There's a little baggage that comes with him. Some people just shrug their shoulders and say it comes with the territory. Other people were a little more concerned with it. Penn State seemed to dial it back because they obviously wanted him to go top 5 or top 10. There's a pretty strong consensus here that he's the top defender out there." His 23 sacks rank sixth on the Nittany Lions' career list. "If you watch 2023 tape he's a top-10 will linebacker," said one scout. "His rarity is he plays at an elite level at two different positions, one of which is a major elite position: pass rusher. You could just as well stand the guy up and say, 'Hey, go cover this guy,' and he can do it better than anybody else. Dynamite pass rusher. Just natural. In some games he makes like every other play. Now, with guys with this amount of talent, there's times you want a little more out of him."
https://x.com/BaldyNFL/status/1906797677066494413
In terms of consensus expectations of his pro career going into draft day, how would you say Carter compares to Thibodeaux?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 06, 2025, 09:54:03 AMIn terms of consensus expectations of his pro career going into draft day, how would you say Carter compares to Thibodeaux?
I believe that Carter has more natural physical gifts than Thibs, resulting in a much higher potential ceiling
It all comes down to medical clearance. If he is medically cleared he can play ILB, OLB and DE in a 4 man front. The ILB versatility creates opportunities to have him, Burns and KT on the field at the same time in certain situations. Most of the time having three guys on the Edge keeps them fresher and reduces injury risk. If he makes KT the third man that opens up trade flexibility. Nothing I don't like about it, providing he is healthy!
Quote from: londonblue on April 06, 2025, 10:08:56 AMIt all comes down to medical clearance. If he is medically cleared he can play ILB, OLB and DE in a 4 man front. The ILB versatility creates opportunities to have him, Burns and KT on the field at the same time in certain situations. Most of the time having three guys on the Edge keeps them fresher and reduces injury risk. If he makes KT the third man that opens up trade flexibility. Nothing I don't like about it, providing he is healthy!
When you consider the DB additions the Giants made this offseason, I think it can be argued the need is greater for Carter than Hunter.
The thing with the stress reaction in his foot, is that shouldn't be a long-term issue.
Here is what Bruce Feldman heard about Carter
2. Cleveland Browns: Abdul Carter, edge, Penn State
If Cam Ward is available, I believe Cleveland will pounce. Instead, the Browns gobble up the latest in a long line of defensive freaks from the Nittany Lions capable of making an immediate impact. The pairing of Carter and Myles Garrett will cause huge headaches for opponents. At 6-3 and 250 pounds, the 2024 Big Ten defensive player of the year has average size for an edge player but is blazing fast. After spending his first two years as a linebacker, he led the nation with 23.5 tackles for loss to go with 12 sacks in his first season playing on the edge. A foot injury has hindered him from some of the evaluation part of the draft run-up, but last offseason, at 254 pounds, he clocked a 4.48-second 40-yard dash along with a 4.35 shuttle to go with an equally impressive 10-7 broad jump.
That kind of juice feeds into the Micah Parsons comparisons. The Cowboys star clocked a 4.43 at 245 pounds going into his last season at Penn State. An assistant who faced Carter in 2024 and spent time in the NFL has a different pro comp for the Penn State star.
"He reminds me of Von Miller," the coach said. "He's really bendy around the edge and such a speed rusher. He's slippery enough to make your tackle completely whiff, and it's a TFL. You hoped he slipped on that bad grass at Penn State. He's a little different from Micah, who I think has more tenacity and physicality in his game and plays stronger. Abdul is much more bendy. Micah destroys people on inside moves. He'll shimmy, counter and get inside, and that's how you get sacks really quick. Abdul is really trying to win with speed around the edge."
"He has elite twitch," a Big Ten O-line coach said. "He will put his face in there and try to stop the rush. He is so fast. He jumped offside against us, and our guy almost didn't see him; he went by so fast and so far. He's still figuring it out. Got a lot better as the year went on."
"His change of direction is pretty special, and he played with a high motor," another Big Ten O-line coach said. "I think his physicality is just OK. Not great."
Said a head coach whose team faced Penn State in the first half of the season: "His get-off is such a problem. Our deal was to run the ball right at him. He didn't use his hands that well in the run game, but he became more of a complete player as the year went on."
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6246631/2025/04/02/nfl-mock-draft-2025-bruce-feldman/?source=user_shared_article
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 06, 2025, 10:14:31 AMWhen you consider the DB additions the Giants made this offseason, I think it can be argued the need is greater for Carter than Hunter.
The thing with the stress reaction in his foot, is that shouldn't be a long-term issue.
Not likely we'll have a choice unless the Browns draft Sanders which could happen. But, to your point, if we did have a choice, I would ignore need and take the better player factoring in health, coachability, etc. Drafting need that high ends up with Neal & Thibs. The exception would be if the best player was a situation like Barkley where shelf life, injuries are a major factor
The Burns trade looks even better if we take Carter, because him and Lawrence can teach Carter how to be a pro and work on his craft. I'd like to see Carter in a years time with Andre Patterson as his coach.
WHat sticks out the most to me from above quotes.
His athleticism and experience give him some scheme versatility and he can easily be dropped into space or used to carry anyone up the seam. Carter's physicality and intensity will bolster any defense's personality and will be on display on special teams as soon as he steps on the field.
"His rarity is he plays at an elite level at two different positions, one of which is a major elite position: pass rusher. You could just as well stand the guy up and say, 'Hey, go cover this guy,' and he can do it better than anybody else. Dynamite pass rusher. Just natural. In some games he makes like every other play.
Wow just True potential elite scheme versatility. AKA Lawrence Taylor like. I am not annointing him LT in any way shape or form, however he has LT like traits and if they convert to the NFL you are looking at a chess piece weapon that can drop into coverage as well as be an elite pass rusher. THose guys nowadays are extremely rare and even rarer to do both at a high level.
Also wild that both Carter and Graham are considered best for a 4-3 alignment. How many teams even run a 4-3 anymore, I assumed it was primarily a sub package for most teams?
I hope ge develops a speed to power move otherwise he may track more like Thibs than like an All Pro player. Also he needs to be a run stopper as well otherwise he is like Osi rather than like a stud Edge.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 06, 2025, 11:14:03 AMAlso wild that both Carter and Graham are considered best for a 4-3 alignment. How many teams even run a 4-3 anymore, I assumed it was primarily a sub package for most teams?
Jess,
The way I have seen defenses play, I am not sure the differentiation is as important as it used to be.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 06, 2025, 09:57:49 AMI believe that Carter has more natural physical gifts than Thibs, resulting in a much higher potential ceiling
There is zero doubt this is a true statement. That draft featured 3-4 blue chip guys (Hutchinson, Stingley, Sauce, Walker) and we picked 5th.
Abdul is absolutely a blue chip. Kayvon was not.
https://x.com/ryannovoNFL/status/1909245739605098590
https://x.com/JustinPugh/status/1909252762983968795
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 07, 2025, 10:40:37 AMhttps://x.com/JustinPugh/status/1909252762983968795
NO you don't pass on the generational talent like the Giants did on Parsons bc they were a little too scared of his character. Abdul isn't squeaky clean either by the way.
Quote from: Uncle Mickey on April 07, 2025, 12:25:35 PMNO you don't pass on the generational talent like the Giants did on Parsons bc they were a little too scared of his character. Abdul isn't squeaky clean either by the way.
It occurs to me the high picks crashing and burning due to character issues seem to have declined over the years.
Man I really hope we get Carter
The thought of the possibility of getting him and a second round DT is absolutely insane
Chris Simms: My 2025 Draft EDGE rankings. Abdul Carter is a once every few years type of player, but this position has a lot of F the play up guys this year.
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https://x.com/nflplus/status/1909380824329601336?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
I know this is about Carter and it should be, but don't sleep on the additions of Golson and Dimukeje. I think Golson in particular really stands out, and could have a breakout year with or without Carter. With Carter though, I think it's a top 3 front 7.
You gotta stop posting all this information....it's making me change my mind almost daily!!
I thought that Hunter is the best player for us to take if he's available, but now you've got me questioning my wanting him over Carter.
I'm thinking I'll be fine with either when it comes time to pick.
I think I'll resign my place as a Big Blue fan if they are both available and we don't take either of them!
Yep....calling it now. If they are both available at 3 and we don't take either, I'm done!!
Barring a trade down for a Ricky Williams package that is....I could live with that!
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Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 07, 2025, 10:33:07 PMI know this is about Carter and it should be, but don't sleep on the additions of Golson and Dimukeje. I think Golson in particular really stands out, and could have a breakout year with or without Carter. With Carter though, I think it's a top 3 front 7.
Gholston has inside out versatility on passing downs which I like a lot.
Imagine this for a moment on passing downs:
Thibs-Gholston-Dex-Burns
Carter-Okereke-McFadden
On run downs
Gholston-Ledbetter-Dex-Burns/Thibs
Carter - Okereke- McFadden
Obviously some variations depending on packages and rotations but we will have a lot more chess pieces to play with.
4 guys with double digit sack potential
Quote from: killarich on April 07, 2025, 03:34:53 PMMan I really hope we get Carter
The thought of the possibility of getting him and a second round DT is absolutely insane
Defense on first 2 rounds after big moves in FA? What about the nearly always 31st ranked offense?
It's still not clear to me how we'd get Carter, Thibs and Burns on the field at the same time. I'd prefer Hunter, which would give us a dominant secondary, with Adebo, Vernon, Nubin and Phillips......but it appears the Browns have come to their senses and will grab him at 2.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 08, 2025, 02:20:30 AMDefense on first 2 rounds after big moves in FA? What about the nearly always 31st ranked offense?
I think for offense, if they are going to improve it will come from a healthy Thomas, Wilson, and Nabers year 2 growth. Is enough when paired with a lock down defense? I hope so. Where else on would you target for improvement at the expense of this potential defense?
Quote from: Philosophers on April 08, 2025, 02:20:30 AMDefense on first 2 rounds after big moves in FA? What about the nearly always 31st ranked offense?
I think we were held back by bad qb play
Not saying Wilson will magically transform the offense ..... but even if he gets us to only 20th in the league
A top 3 defense that is constantly putting the offense in good position.... Is a better team makeout to me that could win more games or be more competitive then having a top 10 defense and hope a second round wr or OL will magically turn the team around
I've said in another thread ....carter and DT ... then go offense rest of draft
Offense big question mark is Thomas ... when the o line was healthy they were actually pretty good .... jones just couldn't take advantage of it
Quote from: Gman329 on April 08, 2025, 06:42:11 AMIt's still not clear to me how we'd get Carter, Thibs and Burns on the field at the same time. I'd prefer Hunter, which would give us a dominant secondary, with Adebo, Vernon, Nubin and Phillips......but it appears the Browns have come to their senses and will grab him at 2.
Caster can play MLB, ILB and his hand in his dirt
You can def have all three on the field almost Fulltime
Carter can be what Bowen wanted Simmons to do as a joker
Quote from: killarich on April 08, 2025, 07:03:30 AMI think we were held back by bad qb play
Not saying Wilson will magically transform the offense ..... but even if he gets us to only 20th in the league
A top 3 defense that is constantly putting the offense in good position.... Is a better team makeout to me that could win more games or be more competitive then having a top 10 defense and hope a second round wr or OL will magically turn the team around
I've said in another thread ....carter and DT ... then go offense rest of draft
Offense big question mark is Thomas ... when the o line was healthy they were actually pretty good .... jones just couldn't take advantage of it
If Wilson improves the O from 31st to 20th, that's a big leap but it would still be a below average O.
Quote from: Topshelf21 on April 07, 2025, 10:38:47 PMYou gotta stop posting all this information....it's making me change my mind almost daily!!
I thought that Hunter is the best player for us to take if he's available, but now you've got me questioning my wanting him over Carter.
I'm thinking I'll be fine with either when it comes time to pick.
I think I'll resign my place as a Big Blue fan if they are both available and we don't take either of them!
Yep....calling it now. If they are both available at 3 and we don't take either, I'm done!!
Barring a trade down for a Ricky Williams package that is....I could live with that!
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At this point, I think the only thing that would disappoint me (at least a bit) would be drafting Sanders at three
Quote from: Gman329 on April 08, 2025, 06:42:11 AMIt's still not clear to me how we'd get Carter, Thibs and Burns on the field at the same time. I'd prefer Hunter, which would give us a dominant secondary, with Adebo, Vernon, Nubin and Phillips......but it appears the Browns have come to their senses and will grab him at 2.
Push Burns or Thibs inside on obvious passing downs. Have a three-man rotation at Edge. Carter can also play some ILB and spy (for mobile QBs)
Carter is a chess piece who can rush the passer from multiple angles and even stunt and drop back effectively if needed. I don't think it will be hard at all for an NFL-caliber DC to find creative ways to put all 3 on the field on obvious passing downs (and if he's a GOOD DC, every down). I actually loved Carter as a LB, especially on weakside. He would also be a demon as a QB shadow, finding gaps to shoot through once the play develops / the pocket breaks down.
If he can add a bit of muscle to the frame to stand up better at the POA, watch out. He has the frame to still develop.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 08, 2025, 09:21:58 AMPush Burns or Thibs inside on obvious passing downs. Have a three-man rotation at Edge. Carter can also play some ILB and spy (for mobile QBs)
Thibs cant hold up inside. No power.
Quote from: Gman329 on April 08, 2025, 06:42:11 AMIt's still not clear to me how we'd get Carter, Thibs and Burns on the field at the same time. I'd prefer Hunter, which would give us a dominant secondary, with Adebo, Vernon, Nubin and Phillips......but it appears the Browns have come to their senses and will grab him at 2.
Justin Tuck jumped inside back in the day on passing downs when he was the 3rd best pass rusher on the line. Thibs may need to take some snaps in there on passing downs and I'd be he'd find a lot of success next to Dex while the offense has to figure out what to do with Carter on one side and Burns on the other. Neither one of which can be blocked routinely.
Keep in mind that the DL with Tuck had the smallest guy (Osi I believe) at 265-270 pounds). This DL with Thibs woukd overall be lighter (other than Dex) so not sure one goes inside. Think 1 comes off.
I always thought Tuck was a bit of an anomaly and we benefitted largely from that. If you could build a prototypical strongside DE, I'd think they'd look a lot like Justin Tuck. I'm not sure there's anyone on the current roster (and not many leaguewide) like Tuck.
If they draft Carter the FO should arrange for Carter to have consultations with Banks and Taylor on what GIANT DEFENSE is all about. They didn't have a tent in LT's day. If they did it would have been filled. The goal of the defense should be put as many in the tent as possible while hitting hard and clean. It's even worth to pick spots where a 15 yd. personal foul is acceptable. I want eagles with "broken wings", and pokes who can't climb a horse.
Could the throw the TV brick moment be drafting Sanders at three? It will be for me. Omg .take Carter..No brainer and a foundation piece all-pro caliber for years..
Quote from: Philosophers on April 08, 2025, 02:25:48 PMKeep in mind that the DL with Tuck had the smallest guy (Osi I believe) at 265-270 pounds). This DL with Thibs woukd overall be lighter (other than Dex) so not sure one goes inside. Think 1 comes off.
Think of what this looks like: GHolston was used inside as a DT in a wide 9 on passing downs with Dallas.
Passing downs:Burns-Gholston-Dex-THibs/Carter
McFadden-Okereke-Carter (blitzing often)
Long yardage:Burns-Gholston-Dex-THibs/Carter
Okereke/Carter
+ more DBs
Run and some mix Downs :Gholston-High 2nd or 3rd rd DT- Dex-THibs/Burns
McFadden-Okereke-Carter
*Bowen did have this squad leading the NFL in sacks last year through 7 games and now we have greatly improved the secondary. Imagine the rush with Carter and a high 2nd or 3rd round DT mixed in to what we added this offseason?
Quote from: Uncle Mickey on April 08, 2025, 07:38:41 PMThink of what this looks like: GHolston was used inside as a DT in a wide 9 on passing downs with Dallas.
Passing downs:
Burns-Gholston-Dex-THibs/Carter
McFadden-Okereke-Carter (blitzing often)
Long yardage:
Burns-Gholston-Dex-THibs/Carter
Okereke/Carter
+ more DBs
Run and some mix Downs :
Gholston-High 2nd or 3rd rd DT- Dex-THibs/Burns
McFadden-Okereke-Carter
*Bowen did have this squad leading the NFL in sacks last year through 7 games and now we have greatly improved the secondary. Imagine the rush with Carter and a high 2nd or 3rd round DT mixed in to what we added this offseason?
Are you assuming we switch to a 4-3 ??
Quote from: killarich on April 08, 2025, 07:46:42 PMAre you assuming we switch to a 4-3 ??
Bowen ran some last year. We were multiple . And with the 3 backers we absolutely can but it will likely continue to be a mix.
Do you take Carter while sitting on a blockbuster draft day trade for Thibideaux?
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on April 09, 2025, 01:27:37 PMDo you take Carter while sitting on a blockbuster draft day trade for Thibideaux?
As Accossi said: You can never have too many pass rushers
Let the team have a core rotation of Carter, Burns, and Thibs
I agree, if all three have equal snap counts and only 2 are on the field at a time, their intensity per snap will be hard to stop through out the game.
Quote from: UncannyGfan on April 10, 2025, 07:42:03 AMI agree, if all three have equal snap counts and only 2 are on the field at a time, their intensity per snap will be hard to stop through out the game.
Being able to throw a rotation of fresh pass rushers at opposing offenses is a good thing.
https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1910416857988726934?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
I'm hoping we draft Carter, but look at that picture of him...There's no chance in hell, he's 255 pounds...Does he look 10 pounds heavier then LT ??
Quote from: DJN on April 10, 2025, 11:40:18 PMI'm hoping we draft Carter, but look at that picture of him...There's no chance in hell, he's 255 pounds...Does he look 10 pounds heavier then LT ??
I've actually been looking at clips of him thinking his torso is super compact and I dunno how he is going to do physically against NFL players.
He looks light up top to me. Maybe it's his shoulder pads & how he wears them, but dare I say he looks "thin".
I was comparing him to Osi in pictures and there is no way this dude is the same weight/size as Osi.
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If the Giants were to draft Carter, they would be drafting to a strength. The Giants did that by drafting Carl Banks, drafting JPP, and drafting Kiwanuka. Other teams have done this successfully as well (Packers taking Rodgers when they had Farve, the 49ers taking Thomas when they had Buckner and Armstead). Teams drafting to a strength usually don't regret the move
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Quote from: MightyGiants on April 11, 2025, 09:34:48 AMIf the Giants were to draft Carter, they would be drafting to a strength. The Giants did that by drafting Carl Banks, drafting JPP, and drafting Kiwanuka. Other teams have done this successfully as well (Packers taking Rodgers when they had Farve, the 49ers taking Thomas when they had Buckner and Armstead). Teams drafting to a strength usually don't regret the move
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It's a great point Rich. You do need a good coordinator to deploy the strength in a way that overwhelms opponents. In that regard I feel less confident in Bowen.
Hmmmmmm
https://x.com/1ncrdb1/status/1910682256764514368?s=46&t=ztHQkdrs2C-vkXmhNZla-g (https://x.com/1ncrdb1/status/1910682256764514368?s=46&t=ztHQkdrs2C-vkXmhNZla-g)
Quote from: Gmo11 on April 11, 2025, 10:03:18 AMHmmmmmm
https://x.com/1ncrdb1/status/1910682256764514368?s=46&t=ztHQkdrs2C-vkXmhNZla-g (https://x.com/1ncrdb1/status/1910682256764514368?s=46&t=ztHQkdrs2C-vkXmhNZla-g)
Seems he likes the idea of being a NY Giant
https://x.com/GetUpESPN/status/1912495290126422402
Is anyone really worried about Carter's foot injury and it being a potential chronic problem? For the way he plays and bends a lot, he is putting enormous torque on both his feet.
Not sure if this was mentioned or not, but sometimes Penn st kicked Carter to the inside to rush the QB.
So, you could have KT, Burns, and Carter all rushing the QB at the same time, especially on 3rd down, without any of them losing too many snaps.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 18, 2025, 08:36:53 AMIs anyone really worried about Carter's foot injury and it being a potential chronic problem? For the way he plays and bends a lot, he is putting enormous torque on both his feet.
Joe,
I think this article should answer your questions
https://sicscore.com/news/abdul-carters-foot-injury-bears-watching-but-draft-stock-remains-strong
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 19, 2025, 07:12:48 AMJoe,
I think this article should answer your questions
https://sicscore.com/news/abdul-carters-foot-injury-bears-watching-but-draft-stock-remains-strong
Thanks Rich. That article makes me feel worse. If he needs to be "managed" throughout OTAs, Spring, Camp and the continued stress at that position for that type of injury, I really wonder if drafting him makes sense.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 19, 2025, 07:50:00 AMThanks Rich. That article makes me feel worse. If he needs to be "managed" throughout OTAs, Spring, Camp and the continued stress at that position for that type of injury, I really wonder if drafting him makes sense.
If this is going to be an Andrew Thomas situation with a chronic foot problem and lots of missed games and various surgeries over the years, I agree it's not worth a top 5 selection.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 19, 2025, 07:50:00 AMThanks Rich. That article makes me feel worse. If he needs to be "managed" throughout OTAs, Spring, Camp and the continued stress at that position for that type of injury, I really wonder if drafting him makes sense.
The article did say the injury shouldn't be long-term. I am okay with a potential minor impact on the rookie season for the potential of a long-term elite pass rusher
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 19, 2025, 08:09:48 AMThe article did say the injury shouldn't be long-term. I am okay with a potential minor impact on the rookie season for the potential of a long-term elite pass rusher
Yes but it may be an injury that pops up in the future with soreness and/or swelling. on these big guys, foot injuries terrify me.
The question is can Carter be handled one on one (like Thibs usually is)...or will Carter be more like Parsons where he is just too explosive and needs a double team.
Quote from: Trench on April 19, 2025, 09:22:36 AMThe question is can Carter be handled one on one (like Thibs usually is)...or will Carter be more like Parsons where he is just too explosive and needs a double team.
Everything indicates he's in the Parsons/Myles Garrett/TJ Watt unblockable category. You never
really know until the guy is on an NFL field but as far as prospects go he's got about as little risk as you're going to find in a given year.
• Carter doesn't need surgery on his shoulder or foot, but he carried both injuries into the draft process, and each might need to be fixed down the line. The Penn State star also has a low lean-body-mass number, which some teams use as a predictor for injuries. So adding the existing ailments to that is cause for concern for some teams.
https://www.si.com/nfl/takeaways-shedeur-sanders-could-fall-2025-nfl-draft
Only the teams truly know on the medical outlook. If we take him we are happy. If we take someone else or trade back to let someone else take him then most likely it will mean we weren't.
Quote from: Trench on April 19, 2025, 09:22:36 AMThe question is can Carter be handled one on one (like Thibs usually is)...or will Carter be more like Parsons where he is just too explosive and needs a double team.
The guy had the shoulder injury vs Boise St in the playoff and then played Notre Dame with basically one arm and dominated them. 7 qb pressures, 1 sack, and a 22% pressure rate, he terrorized them with one arm.
Apparently Carter grew up as a Huge Eagles fan. Read the Eagles really want him for that and not to have to play him 2x a year
We're gonna draft him and he's gonna end up getting 7-8 sacks a year
Quote from: drewsg on April 21, 2025, 12:57:34 PMWe're gonna draft him and he's gonna end up getting 7-8 sacks a year
If that happens, I suspect it will be due to the Giants' inability to keep him healthy and on the field as opposed to a lack of talent and ability.