This is a red shirt year, improve the team overall but wait till we get Manning next year and in that draft build up the team more, and hope in 2-3 years we are back in it.
Never wanted Sanders drafted, and seems most qbs in this draft are big wild cards.
Also do we still not have an issue with the oline?
No matter the QB, they/we won't get far w/o an oline.
The problem I see with saying, "get Arch Manning," is that there are about a dozen other teams thinking the same thing. A lot has to happen (or go right) for the Giants to end up with him.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 24, 2025, 11:00:29 AMThe problem I see with saying, "get Arch Manning," is that there are about a dozen other teams thinking the same thing. A lot has to happen (or go right) for the Giants to end up with him.
very true, they would have to be in the top 2 to get him, possibly 3.
If we get a rookie QB whether they play or not, won't be much wins and who is sold on Winston & Wilson as winners? Can't believe they grabbed both of them, waste of $$$. And with our oline, good luck on top of that.
I don't think it's a redshirt year for Daboll and Schoen. As we've seen in the past, the Giants can't have nice things and will screw themselves out of the pick. Not only that, but who says that Arch even comes out next year? With NIL there's zero reason to go to the NFL early if you are an elite talent.
Quote from: DragonSoul on April 24, 2025, 11:03:10 AMvery true, they would have to be in the top 2 to get him, possibly 3.
If we get a rookie QB whether they play or not, won't be much wins and who is sold on Winston & Wilson as winners? Can't believe they grabbed both of them, waste of $$$. And with our oline, good luck on top of that.
The Oline was decent before ATs injury, so the assumption is they will be at least decent again if not better because they are in year 2 with those guys and the oline coach.
I don't think it is a redshirt year at all.
Quote from: DragonSoul on April 24, 2025, 10:49:28 AMThis is a red shirt year, improve the team overall but wait till we get Manning next year and in that draft build up the team more, and hope in 2-3 years we are back in it.
Never wanted Sanders drafted, and seems most qbs in this draft are big wild cards.
Also do we still not have an issue with the oline?
No matter the QB, they/we won't get far w/o an oline.
Would you still want Arch, if he was not a Manning or related to Eli?
Quote from: MrGap92 on April 24, 2025, 11:10:42 AMWould you still want Arch, if he was not a Manning or related to Eli?
All he's done so far is beat up on horrible teams. So honestly it's all a projection with him as he hasn't started more than 3 games. I'll be the first to admit that I thought he was overhyped and remember telling
@DaveBrown74 that I didn't like his high school tape and thought he was ok.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 24, 2025, 11:03:45 AMI don't think it's a redshirt year for Daboll and Schoen. As we've seen in the past, the Giants can't have nice things and will screw themselves out of the pick. Not only that, but who says that Arch even comes out next year? With NIL there's zero reason to go to the NFL early if you are an elite talent.
Redshirt for the Giants not for Daboll & Schoen, that I agree.
I think Arch will come out if the Giants can realistically grab him with his Grandfather and Uncle being on the side of the Giants. Obviously there could be several other teams they be happy if he played for. Definitely situational.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 24, 2025, 11:05:00 AMThe Oline was decent before ATs injury, so the assumption is they will be at least decent again if not better because they are in year 2 with those guys and the oline coach.
Can only hope, but they were bad when AT went down. It is a whole team effort not a 1 guy excuse to falter as bad as they did.
Quote from: MrGap92 on April 24, 2025, 11:10:42 AMWould you still want Arch, if he was not a Manning or related to Eli?
Manning name doesn't hurt but at the end of the day, it is all about his game play, and as it appears now, he seems to have both his Uncles and Grandfathers ability to potentially be something special.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 24, 2025, 11:15:51 AMAll he's done so far is beat up on horrible teams. So honestly it's all a projection with him as he hasn't started more than 3 games. I'll be the first to admit that I thought he was overhyped and remember telling @DaveBrown74 that I didn't like his high school tape and thought he was ok.
interesting. Obviously he has another year to play so we shall see, but is his arm, accuracy, football IQ up there?
Quote from: MrGap92 on April 24, 2025, 11:10:42 AMWould you still want Arch, if he was not a Manning or related to Eli?
Mr G: A solid point not (to my memory) ever raised here. I was saving it for next year. lol Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 24, 2025, 11:33:16 AMMr G: A solid point not (to my memory) ever raised here. I was saving it for next year. lol Bob
Name has a slight weight on it (based on their work ethic, knowledge, and other intangibles) , but at the end of the day I want them to be the best possible option/player. If they aren't, the name doesn't matter to me, I'd pass him up in a heartbeat.
Same way we know Sanders was a top flight HOF player and you dealt with his antics, but I wouldn't touch or want his son, even with the Sanders name.
Next year is just that. Let's first get past this year starting with the Draft in just a few more hours. There is no reason to not expect the 2025 team to be improved in terms of talent at most if not all positions. How that will translate in terms of W/Ls is an unknown which may not become apparent/ even hinted for the first half dozen games. In any case, all we can do is wait and see despite the fact that we do not do that very well.
As for another Manning in the Giants future? C'mon, that's not something we should be thinking about unless we're hoping for another 0-2, 1-3, 2-13 start...and?
And as Jughead used to say, "Relax, Archie. Relax!
Cheers!
Quote from: DragonSoul on April 24, 2025, 11:42:08 AMName has a slight weight on it (based on their work ethic, knowledge, and other intangibles) , but at the end of the I want them to be the best possible option/player. If they aren't, the name doesn't matter to me, I'd pass him up in a heartbeat.
Same way we know Sanders was a top flight HOF player and you dealt with his antics, but I wouldn't touch or want his son, even with the Sanders name.
Manning likely isn't coming out next year so I'd probably spend more time looking at these other guys.
Cade Klubnick- who was actually the #1 qb recruit over Manning in 2022
Drew Allar
Garrett Nussmeier
Sam Leavitt
Nick Iamaleava
Diego Pavia
Carson Beck
Those will likely be the top qbs in next years draft, not Manning. So you better hope you like one of them more than Dart etc this year.
It would have been a red shirt year if Schoen and Daboll were not retained. Then the new group could build and do it wisely. Now there is a flurry to win immediately so they are grasping at whatever they can to make that happen. The elephant in the room though is what makes any of us confident that the head coach can all of a sudden return to being a winning coach after two dreadful years that were in many ways his doing. I haven't seen resurrections like that very often in the NFL. But I do agree, I would not focus on Arch Manning to be there for them next year. I'm also tired of having to find these players who seem familiar or have family or school ties. Be nice if the Giants for once thought outside that box.
I agree, would AR h Manning be such a hot commodity, for ANY team. If his name weren't Manning?.Thay name has a certain connection to winning and really nothing to do with ability.
Quote from: katkavage on April 24, 2025, 12:30:32 PMIt would have been a red shirt year if Schoen and Daboll were not retained. Then the new group could build and do it wisely. Now there is a flurry to win immediately so they are grasping at whatever they can to make that happen. The elephant in the room though is what makes any of us confident that the head coach can all of a sudden return to being a winning coach after two dreadful years that were in many ways his doing. I haven't seen resurrections like that very often in the NFL. But I do agree, I would not focus on Arch Manning to be there for them next year. I'm also tired of having to find these players who seem familiar or have family or school ties. Be nice if the Giants for once thought outside that box.
Red shirt year was for us Giant fans, we know that both the GM & coach are on the hot seat.
I am very tired of these dumb moves and forgetting to fix the damn oline, and when they try they fail on 1st and 2nd round picks as if they were 6th or 7th rounders. Except for AT thankfully, at least they got one right.
I had hope and faith for these guys as they were outside the box as you mentioned, but my faith and hope for anything positive from the Giants, is so thin now (they've been out played be other teams in the draft over a number of years). I know there are fans older than me and suffered in the 60-70s, I suffered with Kannel, Brown, Graham years.
I did agree with the GM that they should try to Sign Barkley but he didn't want what was offered, and what he did want, it made no sense to pay as we didn't have the team to support him. You seen what that support looks like with a well rounded team with the eagles as much as I hate to say that.
And any qb we get will still be worthless if the oline and schemes aren't fix, I could care less what qb that is. We saw Mahomes in the SB struggle when his oline had issues, or when Brady would be pressured. And I am not asking for a top 5 Oline (which would be nice) but about an average oline.
/Venting off
Quote from: LennG on April 24, 2025, 12:43:33 PMI agree, would AR h Manning be such a hot commodity, for ANY team. If his name weren't Manning?.Thay name has a certain connection to winning and really nothing to do with ability.
If he doesn't have the ability, I don't want him not matter the name.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 24, 2025, 11:15:51 AMAll he's done so far is beat up on horrible teams. So honestly it's all a projection with him as he hasn't started more than 3 games. I'll be the first to admit that I thought he was overhyped and remember telling @DaveBrown74 that I didn't like his high school tape and thought he was ok.
True story. I clearly remember that as well.
It goes without saying of course that you're more than entitled to change your mind if he impresses you more this coming season though.