https://x.com/shedeursanders/status/1915478932167811366?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 24, 2025, 03:11:03 PMhttps://x.com/shedeursanders/status/1915478932167811366?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
The realization that if he gets past us he's gonna drop potentially all the way to the Steelers. He's just trying to get ahead of the narrative if that happens.
Maybe your dad shouldn't have gotten on a soapbox and said he was going to handpick your team.
Maybe you shouldn't have sat out the shrine bowl, or combine while others participated.
Maybe you shouldn't have gone into meetings assuming you were going high and not caring.
Hopefully you're built for some serious reflection, otherwise it's going to be a long day my dude.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 24, 2025, 03:26:31 PMMaybe your dad shouldn't have gotten on a soapbox and said he was going to handpick your team.
Maybe you shouldn't have sat out the shrine bowl, or combine while others participated.
Maybe you shouldn't have gone into meetings assuming you were going high and not caring.
Hopefully you're built for some serious reflection, otherwise it's going to be a long day my dude.
His old man should have known better. He gave his son some really bad advice.
I'd be very careful, people. This could come back to bite you.
He knows he's about to fall. As he should, really. He is not a top 5 QB prospect.
I didn't want to start a new thread but wanted to ask this question.
To preface I'm in my late 30s, so I consume media differently than other here. I typically get most of my Giants news from YouTube or actual websites as I find Twitter to be to clunky and I miss stuff.
If you get your Giants information from YouTube primarily do you find most of the Giants presenters or YouTube channels to be out of touch? 90% seem out of touch and extremely clickbait, and it irks me because they don't seem like real fans. They seem more like industry plants than diehard fans, at least to me. I'm excluding the bigbluebanter guys and talkin Giants guys as they are always grounded, knowledgeable, and informative. The rest however are comical at times to me because I wonder if they genuinely follow college football, or the Giants with some of this stuff.
I won't list names as they likely read here, because it seems like if we have a new thread discussing something a new YT video pops up, but yeah just curious if you feel the Giants media is out if touch with the fan base or team?
Quote from: madbadger on April 24, 2025, 03:31:56 PMHis old man should have known better. He gave his son some really bad advice.
His father is the reason, why I didn't want him.
https://x.com/the33rdteamfb/status/1915521558149570813?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
I generally wish any young man the best, I think this has humbled him.
Hopefully a learning moment.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 24, 2025, 05:44:44 PMhttps://x.com/the33rdteamfb/status/1915521558149570813?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
I don't think they realize how cringe and out of touch that is to the average person.
I wish him well..some Chip on the shoulder belongs to Tom Brady..who took the challenge and shut his mouth to ten Super Bowls..with obsessive dedication..learning his craft..Shedur is a hype..not that worthy..and hardly has that insatiable drive
I mean this guy makes Caleb Williams look down to earth.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 24, 2025, 06:16:22 PMI don't think they realize how cringe and out of touch that is to the average person.
What even is this? Who does this appeal to or impress? Seems so desperate. You're not even QB1! And you could slide significantly. I get that everybody wants to start marketing their brand before they play an NFL snap nowadays (and honestly not taking issue with that as a concept since careers are so ephemeral), but some discretion might be called for.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on April 24, 2025, 06:53:21 PMWhat even is this? Who does this appeal to or impress? Seems so desperate. You're not even QB1! And you could slide significantly. I get that everybody wants to start marketing their brand before they play an NFL snap nowadays (and honestly not taking issue with that as a concept since careers are so ephemeral), but some discretion might be called for.
Yeah, him being humble with his family in a normal looking home would have done wonders for him, but instead we got a cringe command center lol.
Quote from: katkavage on April 24, 2025, 03:46:09 PMI'd be very careful, people. This could come back to bite you.
Talk about perhaps the biggest drop from the end of the college season to the draft. The man went from being talked about as a potential top 2 pick to not being drafted in round one.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2025, 06:46:20 AMTalk about perhaps the biggest drop from the end of the college season to the draft. The man went from being talked about as a potential top 2 pick to not being drafted in round one.
He was the consensus number one going into the 2024 college season.
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 25, 2025, 06:48:31 AMHe was the consensus number one going into the 2024 college season.
Prior to the Colorado Bowl game, half the evaluators were saying he was the best QB in the draft
He is a confident guy he is going to be alright.
Draft guys, how far do you think he will slide?
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on April 25, 2025, 07:45:09 AMDraft guys, how far do you think he will slide?
Might be taken by the Browns with one of their two picks (1 and 5) or the Saints with their 8th
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2025, 07:47:22 AMMight be taken by the Browns with one of their two picks (1 and 5) or the Saints with their 8th
Part of me would even be a little surprised if he gets past New Orleans.
I think he/his dad knew this was gonna happen and that's why he wasn't actually there. Deion probably got some inside info like "dude, it's not gonna happen, stay home "
Quote from: Grime Time on April 25, 2025, 07:56:38 AMI think he/his dad knew this was gonna happen and that's why he wasn't actually there. Deion probably got some inside info like "dude, it's not gonna happen, stay home "
It's kind of funny. During the draft process, we often heard how Sanders was being over-valued because of his last name. I suspect his dad may have been a drag on his draft stock. Not only would there be commentary by his dad, a coach who drafted him, but he would also have to worry about his dad taking his job.
I think the media outrage over the inconceivable Sanders'
snub is galling and over the top. Ryan Clark screaming..Lewis Riddick (Deion's wing man) practically apoplectic..enough. I'm almost surprised the conspiracy card hasn't been played.
NFL evaluators showed you what they thought of him...like many of us here..underwhelmed.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on April 25, 2025, 07:45:09 AMDraft guys, how far do you think he will slide?
From a value vs needs perspective, it's almost impossible for Clev to pass on him.
Quote from: kingm56 on April 25, 2025, 08:40:14 AMFrom a value vs needs perspective, it's almost impossible for Clev to pass on him.
Matt,
The Browns are likely to have a bad record and will have the Jags' 1st rounder in their pocket for 2026. It's possible they may pass on a QB only because they plan on taking one next year instead.
Raiders are still a possible spot for him too.
Quote from: MrGap92 on April 25, 2025, 08:50:18 AMRaiders are still a possible spot for him too.
Good point
https://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1915619765642526825
Quote from: spiderblue43 on April 25, 2025, 08:31:27 AMI think the media outrage over the inconceivable Sanders'
snub is galling and over the top. Ryan Clark screaming..Lewis Riddick (Deion's wing man) practically apoplectic..enough. I'm almost surprised the conspiracy card hasn't been played.
NFL evaluators showed you what they thought of him...like many of us here..underwhelmed.
Add Kiper to that list
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2025, 09:29:55 AMhttps://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1915619765642526825
Maybe it didn't humble him then.
His ego is showing more now, and he is far too entitled.
I am glad they did not want him.
At least he's getting a lot of use out of that purpose built draft room.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on April 25, 2025, 08:31:27 AMI think the media outrage over the inconceivable Sanders'
snub is galling and over the top. Ryan Clark screaming..Lewis Riddick (Deion's wing man) practically apoplectic..enough. I'm almost surprised the conspiracy card hasn't been played.
NFL evaluators showed you what they thought of him...like many of us here..underwhelmed.
They sound like fans more than anything and it's incredibly annoying. I think the simple answer is that he doesn't have a big arm or great mobility so his football IQ and processing are going to have to carry him and teams just don't want to bet on that.
Kiper talking about New Orleans being a perfect fit for him because his lack of arm won't be hindered as much by the dome and then wondering why teams like Cleveland, Pittsburgh and New York didn't want to take the shot. The ability to spin the ball through the wind in the Meadowlands is a necessity for a New York Giants QB.
I'll laugh my ass off if the Browns don't pick him after that. So, just what is the conspiracy all about? Can someone fill me in? After his pop declaring he won't just play for anyone. Isn't that their own doing? Maybe teams know, he just ain't that good with low ceiling.
I like Bobby Skinner's guy's response of "What about tomorrow?" or something like that. He posted it before it started and had about 60,000 likes by the end of the draft.
They won't even acknowledge that most evaluators had Dart at Qb2 by the end of the evalutions.
@Ed Vette Here is a sample of the controversy
https://x.com/fcckjulius/status/1915632580185002347?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2025, 05:27:40 PM@Ed Vette
Here is a sample of the controversy
https://x.com/fcckjulius/status/1915632580185002347?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
I would only be concerned if that came out of Shedeur's mouth.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2025, 05:27:40 PM@Ed Vette
Here is a sample of the controversy
https://x.com/fcckjulius/status/1915632580185002347?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
America sure tried to humble and embarrass black people by...
... Drafting Cam Ward #1 overall.
Unfortunately, the NFL is a true sports meritocracy. Famously, someone opened that if Hannibal Lecter could run a 4.4 they would claim he just had an eating disorder.
Rave baiting tweet.
How unnecessary.
Quote from: kingm56 on April 25, 2025, 08:40:14 AMFrom a value vs needs perspective, it's almost impossible for Clev to pass on him.
well, they did
twice, er three times.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on April 25, 2025, 08:31:27 AMI think the media outrage over the inconceivable Sanders'
snub is galling and over the top. Ryan Clark screaming..Lewis Riddick (Deion's wing man) practically apoplectic..enough. I'm almost surprised the conspiracy card hasn't been played.
NFL evaluators showed you what they thought of him...like many of us here..underwhelmed.
A friend of mine is VERY into reading the mock drafts and puts a lot of stock in them. I always tell him I dont care about them because the one thing all these guys have in common is NONE of them are actually making the picks. Not are testing them, interviewing them the way the teams are doing so, or involved in the medical evals.
Is it just talent, or is it the way I think, you get 2 Sanders for the price of one? Are teams staying away from the son because they fear Daddy will be a constant problem?
Teams don't want Statues anymore, to be a high draft pick at QB you have to be mobile. Sanders is not mobile at all.
I don't think it has anything to do with Deion. I think Shedeur is lazy, entitled, and indifferent about everything other than being a celebrity and his brand.
I'm just shocked that teams have finally caught on.
He runs like Pheobe from Friends.
I asked the same question in another thread. I read/heard some scouting stuff that said his arm is below average. Not sure if people here would agree or if that's enough to make him drop even on dome team boards.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on April 25, 2025, 08:25:50 PMI don't think it has anything to do with Deion. I think Shedeur is lazy, entitled, and indifferent about everything other than being a celebrity and his brand.
I'm just shocked that teams have finally caught on.
Agreed. He seems to have the all-world arrogance of his dad without the all-world talent. If he would've shown humility and some leadership he'd be off the board by now, imo.
He is not that good, and is a whiny entitled baby
Quote from: coggs on April 25, 2025, 07:38:52 PMwell, they did twice, er three times.
Damn it, 4 times.
Unfortunately its going to get uglier. These qb's either go really high or really low. No real middle ground in todays NFL. Would he even show up if he goes in the fourth round? Its crazy to think about, but to me the draft is all about media hype. Colorodo was all about hype. Very little substance imho. You can be famous, but that doesnt mean that you are a legit NFL prospect. The media hypes these guys up and shuts them down. Its a big reality show now. Hopefully the kid gets his shot. He is 23 and a handsome millionare so i dont feel too sorry for him. I could never see Mara giving an ok on this kid in any way. I dont see how fans thought it was a fit. I wish him the best.
Could Sanders end up with the Steelers?
WOW! The Steelers need a QB but they passed on Sanders with the 85th pick :jawdrop:
I wonder if Sanders regrets not doing anything at the Shrine Bowl or Combine
This kinda makes me think Dart would have been there at our original second round pick. Seriously, the browns, Saints, and steelers seem like perfect fits even the Raiders and Jets make sense. Any other teams he would basically be a high profile backup and therefore a distraction. If those three to five teams dont want him, its the gulag
Quote from: Crypto Fareez on April 25, 2025, 10:26:44 PMThis kinda makes me think Dart would have been there at our original second round pick. Seriously, the browns, Saints, and steelers seem like perfect fits even the Raiders and Jets make sense. Any other teams he would basically be a high profile backup and therefore a distraction. If those three to five teams dont want him, its the gulag
The Rams wanted him badly at 26
Saw somewhere an anonymous team rep was asked why they didn't draft Sanders so fat and they said if we wanted Andy Dalton we would have just signed him.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2025, 10:32:33 PMThe Rams wanted him badly at 26
Ummm the rams are in win now mode with a 37 year old qb and were almost in the NFC championship game. Their coach is literally retiring when Stafford is gone. He has talked about retiring and doing tv ever since he won the super bowl. So you think he is gonna stick around for Jaxson Dart? If that helps you sleep better at night, go ahead 🤣
twice, three, four, FIVE times.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2025, 10:32:33 PMThe Rams wanted him badly at 26
Is there any actual evidence to back this up beyond "they traded out as soon as we made the pick"?
Quote from: Crypto Fareez on April 25, 2025, 10:39:57 PMUmmm the rams are in win now mode with a 37 year old qb and were almost in the NFC championship game. Their coach is literally retiring when Stafford is gone. He has talked about retiring and doing tv ever since he won the super bowl. So you think he is gonna stick around for Jaxson Dart? If that helps you sleep better at night, go ahead 🤣
I don't know if you missed all the the threads before this one were we were all discussing it but leading up to the Draft McVay was all over Dart, and immediately traded out when the Giants moved up last night.
Lastly Mcvay is 39 so he's retiring in the next 2 years?
Quote from: jgrangers2 on April 25, 2025, 10:59:29 PMIs there any actual evidence to back this up beyond "they traded out as soon as we made the pick"?
The 3 spots everyone talked about pre draft for Dart were Saint, Giants, and Mcvay. Supposedly from insiders Moore and Mcvay were enamored with Dart. It was a ton of smoke leading up to the Draft and then the second the Giants move up, they move back. At some point when there is so much smoke there is fire. The Saints then grab Shough with a similar profile to Dart, deep thrower, super mobile etc at 40. No one is ever going to come out and say it but all the insiders basically said Dart would have been the rams pick
Quote from: Crypto Fareez on April 25, 2025, 10:39:57 PMUmmm the rams are in win now mode with a 37 year old qb and were almost in the NFC championship game. Their coach is literally retiring when Stafford is gone. He has talked about retiring and doing tv ever since he won the super bowl. So you think he is gonna stick around for Jaxson Dart? If that helps you sleep better at night, go ahead 🤣
I don't know too many win now teams that trade out of the first round for future year picks. You seem to contradict yourself..
Wow. Sanders is going to be a Day 3 player. Even Milroe and Gabriel were taken ahead of him.
Maybe he and Deion both learn something from this but that might be too much to hope.
Quote from: LennG on April 25, 2025, 08:19:22 PMIs it just talent, or is it the way I think, you get 2 Sanders for the price of one? Are teams staying away from the son because they fear Daddy will be a constant problem?
Partially his dad, then some reports say he had the worst interviews(s) they'd ever seen (take that with a grain of salt), blamed team and big head.
Reason I never wanted him. Seems he wasn't even picked in the top 3 rounds. Amazing what the media sells and what the people in the know, know.
Then you hear some Giant fans crying why we didn't take him and then some even brought up the race card.
Quote from: y_so_blu on April 25, 2025, 11:28:51 PMWow. Sanders is going to be a Day 3 player. Even Milroe and Gabriel were taken ahead of him.
Maybe he and Deion both learn something from this but that might be too much to hope.
I've never seen a free fall like this with a QB prospect in an NFL draft. Brady Quinn had cameras on him while all teams passed on him in the first round but he was eventually taken in the 2nd round. To go from 2nd best QB prospect to 4th round means something weird is going on.
There were some troubling reports of him doing very poorly in team interviews, being unwilling to prepare seriously. If you don't want to prepare for interviews that may decide your future, how can you be trusted to prepare for games, week in and week out?
It has to be more attitude/accompanying baggage than talent because whilst I never saw him as a R1 guy he does have day two tape.
Here's some questions. The top 3 NIL recipients were Bronnie James, Shadeur Sanders, and Arch Manning. Notice the pattern?
Would any of them have been there if they hadn't had famous families?
Did Shadeur's $4.8 million in NIL fuel the arrogance that led him to think he could skip the showcase events and not bother to prepare for the team interviews, as is reputed?
If he had a different last name would he have been thought of as a top prospect in January, before in-depth team evaluations had even begun?
And is any part of this a cautionary tale regarding Arch Manning?
Weak arm
Does not throw with anticipation
Takes too many sack
Time to throw is high
Threw too many contested passes
Passes requires Receiver tracking
Personality is glib
No vocal leadership presence
Meddling father
Felt entitled to pick his teams
Didn't prepare for interviews
Bad optics after dropping in 1st
Backup QB potential who needs development
Overachieved
Can't speak French
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 05:51:44 AMWeak arm
Does not throw with anticipation
Takes too many sack
Time to throw is high
Threw too many contested passes
Passes requires Receiver tracking
Personality is glib
No vocal leadership presence
Meddling father
Felt entitled to pick his teams
Didn't prepare for interviews
Bad optics after dropping in 1st
Backup QB potential who needs development
Overachieved
Can't speak French
Well, there goes his CFL prospects.
https://x.com/bleacherreport/status/1915977866606477733?s=12
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 05:51:44 AMWeak arm
Does not throw with anticipation
Takes too many sack
Time to throw is high
Threw too many contested passes
Passes requires Receiver tracking
Personality is glib
No vocal leadership presence
Meddling father
Felt entitled to pick his teams
Didn't prepare for interviews
Bad optics after dropping in 1st
Backup QB potential who needs development
Overachieved
Can't speak French
Stop it.
I remember you putting up a long post about how good he is. Might be worth digging it up.
None of this has anything to do with actual football and I think you all know it. Stop trying to rationalize this in football terms, nobody's buying it. A slip to the late 1st round or even early 2nd round? Maybe, okay. Undrafted after three rounds and passed over for QBs who can't hold a candle to him in terms of ability and accomplishments? Nah. That's nothing to do with football.
https://x.com/bleacherreport/status/1915977866606477733?s=12
Quote from: BlueMoshik on April 26, 2025, 06:21:07 AMStop it.
I remember you putting up a long post about how good he is. Might be worth digging it up.
None of this has anything to do with actual football and I think you all know it. Stop trying to rationalize this in football terms, nobody's buying it. A slip to the late 1st round or even early 2nd round? Maybe, okay. Undrafted after three rounds and passed over for QBs who can't hold a candle to him in terms of ability and accomplishments? Nah. That's nothing to do with football.
This is what teams saw. Embrace your conspiracy theories if you like. I did point out his attributes and he did have to deal with a horrible Offensive Line, but this drop was in part of his inability to improve his game, and his ego entitlement. He shot himself in the foot. And if you don't like my comment, i really don't care. Maybe I'll stalk you and jump down your throat. If you have a difference of opinion, post it Moshik. Your antics are old and tired.
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 06:32:21 AMThis is what teams saw. Embrace your conspiracy theories if you like. I did point out his attributes and he did have to deal with a horrible Offensive Line, but this drop was in part of his inability to improve his game, and his ego entitlement. He shot himself in the foot. And if you don't like my comment, i really don't care. Maybe I'll stalk you and jump down your throat. If you have a difference of opinion, post it Moshik. Your antics are old and tired.
"Antics". "Stalking". Sure. Whatever you say. You're the admin of this board and can smear others posters as freely as you like.
I'm just saying I remember your post because you sang his praises as a QB and I paid attention. It makes sense, in football terms, for Sanders to drop to the lower 1st round or even 2nd round. That's happened before. But this kind of free fall is because of how he's perceived off the field. That's not a conspiracy theory. You are saying it yourself, but you feel the need to add football attributes as well, which don't really explain that far of a fall.
My two cents.
Anyway, on a lighter note, don't take it from me, take it from Donnie from Queens! :laugh:
https://x.com/jimgeraghty/status/1915901737241874877
Quote from: BlueMoshik on April 26, 2025, 06:47:33 AM"Antics". "Stalking". Sure. Whatever you say. You're the admin of this board and can smear others posters as freely as you like.
I'm just saying I remember your post because you sang his praises as a QB and I paid attention. It makes sense, in football terms, for Sanders to drop to the lower 1st round or even 2nd round. That's happened before. But this kind of free fall is because of how he's perceived off the field. That's not a conspiracy theory. You are saying it yourself, but you feel the need to add football attributes as well, which don't really explain that far of a fall.
My two cents.
Then be more respectful when you interact. He has beautiful mechanics and footwork. Going into this season, he looked t be the top QB in the class. He never improved his game. All those football issues are what teams saw in him, and they are obstacles to be successful at the next level. I saw him at the combine and his public interviews. He should have participated, instead of assuming he was a top pick. Teams see him as a backup QB that is not ready for prime time, and he carries baggage. On top of all that, once he dropped out of the first round, teams that had any interest questioned, what is wrong that we didn't pick up on. Instead of being humble after the first day, did his interview and tweets help him or hurt him? He's clearly not a leader. No accountability.
So whats your theory as they why he dropped so much?
We might have an opportunity for a trade down with someone wanting him to add a pick this year or next. That is as far as my Sanders interest goes.
At the end of the day, you had a productive college QB with 2nd round talent and habits, and a playing style that wouldn't translate to the NFL (like his holding on to the ball too long and retreating backward) who struggled against higher competition and ended his season on a sour note with a poor bowl-game performance.
Rather than bust his butt to try and erase the image of his bad bowl performance, he carried himself like he was a top 5 player (not just QB) in the draft. He opted only to do interviews at the Shrine Bowl. He didn't do anything at the Combine. His Pro Day performance was underwhelming.
Now, throw in the concerns about having only played football with his dad as the head coach. Throw in the distractions and nuisance that is his outspoken father and a sense of entitlement that showed through in his interviews, and you have the public and drastic fall we have witnessed over the past two nights.
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 07:06:54 AMThen be more respectful when you interact. He has beautiful mechanics and footwork. Going into this season, he looked t be the top QB in the class. He never improved his game. All those football issues are what teams saw in him, and they are obstacles to be successful at the next level. I saw him at the combine and his public interviews. He should have participated, instead of assuming he was a top pick. Teams see him as a backup QB that is not ready for prime time, and he carries baggage. On top of all that, once he dropped out of the first round, teams that had any interest questioned, what is wrong that we didn't pick up on. Instead of being humble after the first day, did his interview and tweets help him or hurt him? He's clearly not a leader. No accountability.
So whats your theory as they why he dropped so much?
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 07:06:54 AMThen be more respectful when you interact. He has beautiful mechanics and footwork. Going into this season, he looked t be the top QB in the class. He never improved his game. All those football issues are what teams saw in him, and they are obstacles to be successful at the next level. I saw him at the combine and his public interviews. He should have participated, instead of assuming he was a top pick. Teams see him as a backup QB that is not ready for prime time, and he carries baggage. On top of all that, once he dropped out of the first round, teams that had any interest questioned, what is wrong that we didn't pick up on. Instead of being humble after the first day, did his interview and tweets help him or hurt him? He's clearly not a leader. No accountability.
So whats your theory as they why he dropped so much?
"Respectful" goes both ways, Sir. Not only towards you.
There's no "theory". The reasons are some of the ones you laid out. I agree he comes across poorly. I just don't think any football attributes explain a fall lower than late 1st round. To explain this kind of collapse, which is unprecedented in living memory for a guy who was as highly rated as him, we have to look at a league-wide perception that sees him as un-draftable. Part of it is how he comes off in interactions with coaches and GMs. Part of it is a lingering dislike of Deion's personality and the sense that the two come tied at the hip. Part of it is the sense is that he already has a brand like a guy who's been in the NFL for a while even before he's a rookie. He's already older than some of the other top guys drafted, including Dart. NFL teams like to draft guys who are impressionable and will listen to whatever they're told by their coaches. The sense with Shedeur is that he only listens to his dad and to himself and sees himself as a finished product. I don't know if that's true or not. A lot of guys including Jerry Jones and Sean Payton have vouched for him, and Mel Kiper, who knows about these things, seems utterly shocked by his fall. But that's the reputation he now has in the NFL and I don't know if he can overcome that. Some team will eventually take him, and this draft will either make or break his career.
My own personal feeling as to why Sanders has dropped boils down to two things:
(1) More and more keeps coming out about his interviews and the extent to which he hurt himself in this part of the process. He reportedly came off as entitled and often unprepared in a number of them. In the pregame show on Thursday, McShay was saying that Daboll presented him with a straightforward install package, and Shedeur was totally unprepared. When Daboll called him out on it, Shedeur got all offended. I think there were other interviews that did not go well, and word got around. I suspect this absurd personal draft room he created rubbed people the wrong way, and then throwing your teammates under the bus publicly, which he has done, is a red line for a lot of people. Many teams may have simply decided they don't want him in their locker room, regardless of which round he is available.
(2) This is more of a theory, but I suspect there has long been a disconnect between perception and reality as to Sanders' level of play. He may be more of a media creation than an elite or even high end prospect. The media may have bought into Deion's hype machine, while the pro scouts and front offices may have simply been cooler on him this whole time. This has nothing to do with personality traits - they may have simply never liked him as much as the mocks and media types suggested. We have seen other hyped up QBs like Malik Willis, Matt Corral and Sam Howell fall precipitously relative to where the mocks and pundits had them going, right up into draft day. It's not like this is the first time something similar to this has happened. This one seems more dramatic because of all the hype, but that is sort of my point - was that hype ever real insofar as how teams felt about him, or was it a media creation, fueled by Deion and Shedeur himself?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 26, 2025, 07:25:11 AMMy own personal feeling as to why Sanders has dropped boils down to two things:
(1) More and more keeps coming out about his interviews and the extent to which he hurt himself in this part of the process. He reportedly came off as entitled and often unprepared in a number of them. In the pregame show on Thursday, McShay was saying that Daboll presented him with a straightforward install package, and Shedeur was totally unprepared. When Daboll called him out on it, Shedeur got all offended. I think there were other interviews that did not go well, and word got around. I suspect this absurd personal draft room he created rubbed people the wrong way, and then throwing your teammates under the bus publicly, which he has done, is a red line for a lot of people. Many teams may have simply decided they don't want him in their locker room, regardless of which round he in which he is available.
(2) This is more of a theory, but I suspect there has long been a disconnect between perception and reality as to Sanders' level of play. He may be more of a media creation than an elite or even high end prospect. The media may have bought into Deion's hype machine, while the pro scouts and front offices may have simply been cooler on him this whole time. This has nothing to do with personality traits - they may have simply never liked him as much as the mocks and media types suggested. We have seen other hyped up QBs like Malik Willis, Matt Corral and Sam Howell fall precipitously. It's not like this is the first time something similar to this has happened. This one seems more dramatic because of all the hype, but that is sort of my point - was that hype ever real insofar as how teams felt about him, or was it a media creation, fueled by Deion and Shedeur himself?
Point 1 I think makes a lot of sense.
Point 2 does not, to anyone who has actually seen him play, and has read the scouting reports on him. Yeah there was hype. But Shedeur, in terms of just his play, was no "media creation".
Bottom line, NFL teams will invest in guys they want, and they don't want Shedeur, because they don't like the guy, not the QB.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 26, 2025, 07:25:11 AMMy own personal feeling as to why Sanders has dropped boils down to two things:
(1) More and more keeps coming out about his interviews and the extent to which he hurt himself in this part of the process. He reportedly came off as entitled and often unprepared in a number of them. In the pregame show on Thursday, McShay was saying that Daboll presented him with a straightforward install package, and Shedeur was totally unprepared. When Daboll called him out on it, Shedeur got all offended. I think there were other interviews that did not go well, and word got around. I suspect this absurd personal draft room he created rubbed people the wrong way, and then throwing your teammates under the bus publicly, which he has done, is a red line for a lot of people. Many teams may have simply decided they don't want him in their locker room, regardless of which round he in which he is available.
(2) This is more of a theory, but I suspect there has long been a disconnect between perception and reality as to Sanders' level of play. He may be more of a media creation than an elite or even high end prospect. The media may have bought into Deion's hype machine, while the pro scouts and front offices may have simply been cooler on him this whole time. This has nothing to do with personality traits - they may have simply never liked him as much as the mocks and media types suggested. We have seen other hyped up QBs like Malik Willis, Matt Corral and Sam Howell fall precipitously. It's not like this is the first time something similar to this has happened. This one seems more dramatic because of all the hype, but that is sort of my point - was that hype ever real insofar as how teams felt about him, or was it a media creation, fueled by Deion and Shedeur himself?
You know, Gruden's QB school can be quite enlightening, even though Sanders didn't go. One thing I picked up on in the Dart session was that Gruden deliberately criticized Dart. It wasn't because he did something that needed criticizing, but the coach wanted to see how the player handled being criticized, which is going to happen in the NFL.
If Sanders didn't handle criticism well (and his dad has been his HC his whole life), that would be a big issue for coaches and teams.
Quote from: BlueMoshik on April 26, 2025, 07:29:53 AMPoint 1 I think makes a lot of sense.
Point 2 does not, to anyone who has actually seen him play, and has read the scouting reports on him. Yeah there was hype. But Shedeur, in terms of just his play, was no "media creation".
Bottom line, NFL teams will invest in guys they want, and they don't want Shedeur, because they don't like the guy, not the QB.
If they liked the QB, they'd deal with the guy. It's that simple. QB has become a high ceiling position and teams just aren't looking for pocket passers with mediocre arms. If he had elite physical traits, he would have gone 1-1, but he doesn't and teams just don't want to deal with the circus that comes with a mid-tier QB.
When you have a pretty hard ceiling as a player due to a lack of physical gifts, you simply can't treat the process like he did.
Quote from: BlueMoshik on April 26, 2025, 07:18:06 AM"Respectful" goes both ways, Sir. Not only towards you.
I've never treated you with the disrespect you laid out on me this morning. You could have disagreed and stated your own reasons. It was more than being a critic.
There's no "theory". The reasons are some of the ones you laid out. I agree he comes across poorly. I just don't think any football attributes explain a fall lower than late 1st round. To explain this kind of collapse, which is unprecedented in living memory for a guy who was as highly rated as him, we have to look at a league-wide perception that sees him as un-draftable. Part of it is how he comes off in interactions with coaches and GMs. Part of it is a lingering dislike of Deion's personality and the sense that the two come tied at the hip. Part of it is the sense is that he already has a brand like a guy who's been in the NFL for a while even before he's a rookie. He's already older than some of the other top guys drafted, including Dart. NFL teams like to draft guys who are impressionable and will listen to whatever they're told by their coaches. The sense with Shedeur is that he only listens to his dad and to himself and sees himself as a finished product. I don't know if that's true or not. A lot of guys including Jerry Jones and Sean Payton have vouched for him, and Mel Kiper, who knows about these things, seems utterly shocked by his fall. But that's the reputation he now has in the NFL and I don't know if he can overcome that. Some team will eventually take him, and this draft will either make or break his career.
Ok, so going along with your thinking, his critical mistake was to not hire an Agent, who would be brutally honest with him, prepare him for the Combine, prepare him for public persona and interviews-twitter, prepare him to answer questions on his visits, and what to say and what not to say. Teams are extremely anal in their interview and research process for a Franchise or Starting QB. If they get it wrong it can have repercussions that last many years. Gettleman knew this, he just didn't practice it. He put the Giants in QB Hell.
I suspect the unprecedented fall by Sanders, combined with his high profile (how many prospects have the President chiming in?), may have teams shying away from him at this point. Any team that drafts Sanders at this point invites a media circus and distraction into their building
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 08:08:22 AMI suspect the unprecedented fall by Sanders, combined with his high profile (how many prospects have the President chiming in?), may have teams shying away from him at this point. Any team that drafts Sanders at this point invites a media circus and distraction into their building
I thought the Raiders would have picked him late last night.
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 08:13:26 AMI thought the Raiders would have picked him late last night.
I thought that might happen as well. I understand Brady is close with the family
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 08:19:49 AMI thought that might happen as well. I understand Brady is close with the family
I think he's a good fit there as a backup who could prove himself as the successor to Geno. If he's coachable.
The lack of an agent was not a good thing for Sanders. An agent helps create good spin and PR for a prospect during the draft evaluation process. I know teams would like to pretend the effort's of agents is meaningless, but I think in reality a good agent does help a prospect.
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The thing that sticks out about Shedeur's slide is he either got bad info or was delusional. He didn't participate in any all-star game, didn't workout at the combine and didn't do any athletic testing.
That's how a top pick handles the draft process. So why did he think he was going to be a top pick? He doesn't have an agent, so teams presumably were communicating directly with Deion. Was he misled? It will be very interesting to hear what he has to say when this is over.
https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1916014756730700155
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 08:27:17 AMhttps://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1916014756730700155
Did he really invite the Race Card Crowd to join in? Ok, that was me before Wilson, Winston and Ward. But WWW proved that wrong.
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 08:43:47 AMDid he really invite the Race Card Crowd to join in? Ok, that was me before Wilson, Winston and Ward. But WWW proved that wrong.
Race has played a role in how some people perceive this story, from what I have seen. For some, race has triggered anger/resentment in others, it has triggered improper joy in a man's very public suffering/wake-up call
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 08:49:16 AMRace has played a role in how some people perceive this story, from what I have seen. For some, race has triggered anger/resentment in others, it has triggered improper joy in a man's very public suffering/wake-up call
SCHADENFREUDE In this case is reserved for assholes.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 08:08:22 AMI suspect the unprecedented fall by Sanders, combined with his high profile (how many prospects have the President chiming in?), may have teams shying away from him at this point. Any team that drafts Sanders at this point invites a media circus and distraction into their building
Unless a team with a well established QB in place wants to groom him to be their backup, I think he's going undrafted
Quote from: coggs on April 25, 2025, 07:38:52 PMwell, they did twice, er three times.
Indeed...tells us what the league thinks of him.
I think...FWIW, is that he feels entitled and carries a chip on his shoulder. When QBs are brought in for personal interviews, the coaches are going to throw a lot of complex hypothetical situations at him. My bet is...he wasn't prepared and relied on the hidden message, "you know what I can do...just look at my stats" and "don't forget I'm Dionne's son"
Very talented kid that probably uses natural ability to have had success. But in the NFL, a QB needs to read and digest complex defensive formations on the fly, and explain in detail what he would do under those circumstances. I suspect Shedeur was not prepared and unable to answer questions that suited the coaches
When you look at Dart's and McCord's "QB camp" with Gruden...they blew him away with their understanding of complex situations. In Dart's case, he started almost every answer with a humble, "yes sir" and showed an immense amount of respect and humility whilst answering the most complex questions. I doubt Shedeur showed any humility and came across as arrogant and entitled. That's my best guess anyway. As another side kicker, whoever takes him will have to deal with the chaos of his father's notoriety and the press will be like the paparazzi. Not many teams want that kind of attention that has little to do with winning football games. Serious teams like serious players and staying out of the big lights unrelated to the game
IMHO, there has to be more to this than just talent. We all have seen teams take guys who served time in jail, who beat their wives, who do so many things, but if you have anything, teams will take a shot, hoping you can overcome. We see the same terrible QBs making the rounds year after year, with teams basically knowing they aren't any good, but giving them a shot anyway.
So why wasn't Sanders even given a morsel?
He has to have some talent, even if he is a conceited a**hole. Someone, you would think, would at least give him a shot. This has nothing to do with race. You have a Black HC in Pittsburgh who is desperate for a quarterback with any talent.
There has to be much more behind this than what anyone really can see.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 08:27:17 AMhttps://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1916014756730700155
=))
I can see the response to this now. Some Aussie Rules barricker from Melbourne taking a trip up to Sydney to watch their footy club do battle with the Swans at the Sydney Cricket Ground writing this rubbish as the proprietor responds in kind:
"Well, then stuff it up yours and order the meat pie next time, ya bloody flog!"
All smiles from my corner of the AFL world as my Collingwood Football Club took care of business against Essendon, as part of Australia's ANZAC Day weekend, to consolidate top spot on the league ladder.
As for the kangaroo meat sub proprietor, that post above to him made about as much sense to him as my paragraph above makes sense to you all.
Peace!
One thing agents do is send their clients to places that teach their clients how to interview well.
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Two realities ...
1) Shedeur Sanders fell out of the first round because of talent and performance.
2) He's still available now because of everything else. At this point of the draft, teams are looking for depth and developmental players. If you're taken in the third round or fourth round or fifth round, you're going to be working in the background.
That would make Shedeur a backup quarterback. Backup QBs need to blend with in the furniture. It's why Tim Tebow and Colin Kaepernick, and even guys like Jay Cutler and Cam Newton had trouble extending their careers—if those guys weren't going to start for you, you'd probably rather just have the anonymous guy who'd support the starter and make ZERO headlines.
Backup quarterback is a different job than starting quarterback, which is why the NFL's collective two-deep isn't just a list of the 64 best QBs on the planet.
Can Shedeur be the developmental guy, who's going to be all-in on his team, and quietly go about his business? Maybe. But he's never had to do that, and the way his pre-draft process has been handled casts a lot of doubt on it.
So I don't know who stops his fall, but I think it'll have to be someone who can draw hard lines with him.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 11:47:52 AMAlbert Breer
@AlbertBreer
Two realities ...
1) Shedeur Sanders fell out of the first round because of talent and performance.
2) He's still available now because of everything else. At this point of the draft, teams are looking for depth and developmental players. If you're taken in the third round or fourth round or fifth round, you're going to be working in the background.
That would make Shedeur a backup quarterback. Backup QBs need to blend with in the furniture. It's why Tim Tebow and Colin Kaepernick, and even guys like Jay Cutler and Cam Newton had trouble extending their careers—if those guys weren't going to start for you, you'd probably rather just have the anonymous guy who'd support the starter and make ZERO headlines.
Backup quarterback is a different job than starting quarterback, which is why the NFL's collective two-deep isn't just a list of the 64 best QBs on the planet.
Can Shedeur be the developmental guy, who's going to be all-in on his team, and quietly go about his business? Maybe. But he's never had to do that, and the way his pre-draft process has been handled casts a lot of doubt on it.
So I don't know who stops his fall, but I think it'll have to be someone who can draw hard lines with him.
It's a real possibility that he doesn't get drafted. It may be better for him in the long run, because he may be able to carve out a role for a team that wants to develop him after his wings are clipped.
Do you know if he can go back to school?
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 11:55:15 AMIt's a real possibility that he doesn't get drafted. It may be better for him in the long run, because he may be able to carve out a role for a team that wants to develop him after his wings are clipped.
Do you know if he can go back to school?
With the new college rules, he might be. I don't really know
@Jclayton92 ?
https://x.com/awthentik/status/1916135045187965047
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 11:57:07 AMWith the new college rules, he might be. I don't really know @Jclayton92 ?
https://x.com/awthentik/status/1916135045187965047
Can a QB who declared for the draft but goes undrafted go back to college?
Yes, a quarterback (or any player) who declares for the NFL Draft but goes undrafted can return to college football. As long as they withdraw from the draft by the specified deadline, they can maintain their NCAA eligibility and continue playing in college.
It's important for players to familiarize themselves with the NCAA rules and the specific dates for withdrawal, which are typically announced each year.
The deadline for college football players to withdraw from the NFL Draft and retain their eligibility typically falls around a week after the NFL Draft concludes. For example, in recent years, it's been around mid-May. However, these dates can vary annually, so players should check the NCAA's official guidelines or consult with their athletic department for the exact deadlines specific to that year. AI
You know what would really suck? To go back to school for one more year, only to go undrafted a second time. I don't know if they have a "School of Humility", but that'd be a good school. I think the "School of Hard Knocks" teaches a lot of humility
One of my old sayings that I've written in the flap of my Bible and driven it into my kids' heads: "The Road to Wisdom is Paved with Humility" (and vice versa for that matter, as the two go hand-in-hand)
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 11:59:51 AMCan a QB who declared for the draft but goes undrafted go back to college?
Yes, a quarterback (or any player) who declares for the NFL Draft but goes undrafted can return to college football. As long as they withdraw from the draft by the specified deadline, they can maintain their NCAA eligibility and continue playing in college.
It's important for players to familiarize themselves with the NCAA rules and the specific dates for withdrawal, which are typically announced each year.
The deadline for college football players to withdraw from the NFL Draft and retain their eligibility typically falls around a week after the NFL Draft concludes. For example, in recent years, it's been around mid-May. However, these dates can vary annually, so players should check the NCAA's official guidelines or consult with their athletic department for the exact deadlines specific to that year. AI
Typically they forfeit the eligibility when they declare or at least they used to.
With his NIL money buys himself a $400,000 Rolls Royce.
Father talks too much so looks like that would continue once he gets on a team.
Has no discernible elite NFL skill
If true he did not come into Giants private meeting prepared, that info may have been shared among teams.
Teams simply dont want this drama and mediocre talent
So tired of Rich Eisen every 10 minutes bringing it up.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 26, 2025, 01:37:39 PMWith his NIL money buys himself a $400,000 Rolls Royce.
Father talks too much so looks like that would continue once he gets on a team.
Has no discernible elite NFL skill
Teams simply dont want this drama and mediocre talent
The latter point is spot-on, Joe. If he was an elite talent, teams would be willing to deal with the drama. However, he's not...he has limited physical skills that limits his ceiling.
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 08:25:30 AMI think he's a good fit there as a backup who could prove himself as the successor to Geno. If he's coachable.
That's the 64 million dollar question. At this point, I think that at this late point (he hasn't been taken and we're up to 143 as of this writing) point I seriously wonder if he'll be drafted at all.
https://x.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1916194038715130323?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 11:47:52 AMAlbert Breer
@AlbertBreer
Two realities ...
1) Shedeur Sanders fell out of the first round because of talent and performance.
2) He's still available now because of everything else. At this point of the draft, teams are looking for depth and developmental players. If you're taken in the third round or fourth round or fifth round, you're going to be working in the background.
That would make Shedeur a backup quarterback. Backup QBs need to blend with in the furniture. It's why Tim Tebow and Colin Kaepernick, and even guys like Jay Cutler and Cam Newton had trouble extending their careers—if those guys weren't going to start for you, you'd probably rather just have the anonymous guy who'd support the starter and make ZERO headlines.
Backup quarterback is a different job than starting quarterback, which is why the NFL's collective two-deep isn't just a list of the 64 best QBs on the planet.
Can Shedeur be the developmental guy, who's going to be all-in on his team, and quietly go about his business? Maybe. But he's never had to do that, and the way his pre-draft process has been handled casts a lot of doubt on it.
So I don't know who stops his fall, but I think it'll have to be someone who can draw hard lines with him.
This is easily the most insightful post in this thread which puts the entire picture into focus.
But the Browns have ended the controversy just now by trading up to 144 to get him.
Suspense over.
Quote from: kartanoman on April 26, 2025, 02:19:09 PMThis is easily the most insightful post in this thread which puts the entire picture into focus.
But the Browns have ended the controversy just now by trading up to 144 to get him.
Suspense over.
Yet they drafted Gabriel at the end of round 3. Seems like the Browns are just wasting picks at this point :-??
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 02:15:06 PMhttps://x.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1916194038715130323?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Pick 144. On the plus side, the Browns traded up for him, guffaw.
As far as I can tell watching TV, he's not in the Green Room. He probably hates the Green Room
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 26, 2025, 02:14:01 PMThat's the 64 million dollar question. At this point, I think that at this late point (he hasn't been taken and we're up to 143 as of this writing) point I seriously wonder if he'll be drafted at all.
Well that didn't age well.
https://x.com/RalphVacchiano/status/1916195674174914863
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 26, 2025, 02:21:17 PMWell that didn't age well.
But how ridiculous are the Cleveland Browns.
Good pick at 144, frankly.
Quote from: coggs on April 25, 2025, 10:58:02 PMtwice, three, four, FIVE times.
I lost count by now, but I guess better late than never.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 02:20:08 PMYet they drafted Gabriel at the end of round 3. Seems like the Browns are just wasting picks at this point :-??
Sanders makes five (5) quarterbacks currently on the Browns' roster.
So did the Giants going into 1977. How did that work out? (NOTE: they cut the aged veterans and kept the three kids without a down of NFL experience).
Peace!
https://x.com/SkoBuffsGoBuffs/status/1916196527426428989
He can now boast that he got drafted higher than Tom Brady =))
https://x.com/RealTannenbaum/status/1916197126947983620
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 26, 2025, 02:24:04 PMGood pick at 144, frankly.
Indeed, Jeff. Great ROI potential.
God, is Mel Kyper nauseating as he continues to shill for Shadeur Sanders, even after his being drafted by the Browns at #144. Give it up, Mel. All 32 teams passed on him over 4+ rounds. You wildly overrated him. Give it a rest. Move on.
Quote from: bighitterdalama on April 26, 2025, 02:40:56 PMGod, is Mel Kyper nauseating as he continues to shill for Shadeur Sanders, even after his being drafted by the Browns at #144. Give it up, Mel. All 32 teams passed on him over 4+ rounds. You wildly overrated him. Give it a rest. Move on.
How many QBs will they carry on the final 53? Seriously with the cap hit they carry on Watson, will they cut Flacco? Put Sanders or Gabs on the practice squad? Both networks have been spinning the Sanders narrative.
I love the fact that they jumped Philly with a trade up to snatch him.
The last thing I wanted to hear was what a genius Howie Roseman is finding another successor at QB.
I am curious, do you believe Sanders will become a successful NFL starting QB?
https://x.com/FOS/status/1916196063087890859
Quote from: bighitterdalama on April 26, 2025, 02:40:56 PMGod, is Mel Kyper nauseating as he continues to shill for Shadeur Sanders, even after his being drafted by the Browns at #144. Give it up, Mel. All 32 teams passed on him over 4+ rounds. You wildly overrated him. Give it a rest. Move on.
Kyper has sunny side up egg yolk dripping all over his face. He refused to show some humility, and implied he nows more than 32 GM's and coaches. His panel mates were too easy on him. I would have told him he's wrong(again) and shut up. I could do the same or better than Kyper by essentially watching tape. Sanders probably screwed himself in interviews. Supposedly Daboll gave him some homework that he didn't do.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 02:26:28 PMhttps://x.com/SkoBuffsGoBuffs/status/1916196527426428989
This almost looked like a choreographed reaction they put together when they expected him to be picked in the first round. It's a little over the top for pick 144, and the 2nd qb selected by the team.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 26, 2025, 03:23:25 PMThis almost looked like a choreographed reaction they put together when they expected him to be picked in the first round. It's a little over the top for pick 144, and the 2nd qb selected by the team.
I'm quite sure it was choreographed but kudos to him for how he handled it. I'm not down on him as most are. Hopefully he can show that he is more than worthy of being a starting QB in the NFL.
Deion: "There's a couple teams I won't allow him to go to."
Browns (in Bane voice): "Do you feel in charge?"
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 02:58:46 PMI am curious, do you believe Sanders will become a successful NFL starting QB?
I think he'll become at least a solid QB. But if he has any heart, he'll commit himself to reviving the Browns organization.
What I don't like about Sanders is his branding himself a legend, having accomplished nothing other than being born to a father who is an actual legend.
LeBron James branded himself a king before he accomplished anything. But then he went into Cleveland and turned the franchise around and revived the city's economy. If Shedeur wants to be a legend, go to Cleveland and bring them multiple championships. If he's got it in him. That would be my challenge to him.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on April 26, 2025, 04:57:57 PMI think he'll become at least a solid QB. But if he has any heart, he'll commit himself to reviving the Browns organization.
What I don't like about Sanders is his branding himself a legend, having accomplished nothing other than being born to a father who is an actual legend.
LeBron James branded himself a king before he accomplished anything. But then he went into Cleveland and turned the franchise around and revived the city's economy. If Shedeur wants to be a legend, go to Cleveland and bring them multiple championships. If he's got it in him. That would be my challenge to him.
They retired his number before he even played a game in the NFL because Travis Hunters number was getting retired. Deion wanted a statue of his son erected lol.
Many will disagree, but at this point I'm actually rooting for Shedeur. I know he has said/done plenty of things to rub people the wrong way, and they are more than justified in feeling that way, but this experience had to be pretty mortifying, and his recent tweets and the reaction to being drafted make him a bit more of a sympathetic character for me now. 144th was probably a steal, as even if he just turns into a lower end starter/higher end backup that's still a nice outcome at that price point.
I have absolutely no agenda against him and would be fine to see him succeed. If he continues to conduct himself with extreme arrogance or is a bad teammate, then I'll pivot away from the above sentiment, but as of right now I am actually rooting for him.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 26, 2025, 03:23:25 PMThis almost looked like a choreographed reaction they put together when they expected him to be picked in the first round. It's a little over the top for pick 144, and the 2nd qb selected by the team.
Maybe if he had put the sort of preparation into his interviews that he did his celebration dance, he wouldn't have lasted to round 5
Quote from: T200 on April 26, 2025, 04:23:47 PMI'm quite sure it was choreographed but kudos to him for how he handled it. I'm not down on his as most are. Hopefully he can show that he is more than worthy of being a starting QB in the NFL.
Tim: I'm not down on Sanders and think he actually went lower than he deserved.
My opposition to him was always that he was not a first-rounder, and that's all the "experts" (some of whom change like the wind) were talking about... kept asking WHERE in the first round he would go. My opinion was nowhere.
I thought the Raiders would take Sanders. In any event, I think Cleveland is the team most likely to regret not drafting McCord, which has very little to do with Sanders, but I mention it because the other guy they drafted (Dylan Gabriel) is IMO less likely to succeed with Cleveland than Sanders.
Bob
I think Shedeur Sanders had a strong college career and I think he can be a fine NFL QB. I'm also rooting for him. His main problem will be that he's now with the Cleveland Browns, a graveyard for young QBs.
Quote from: BlueMoshik on April 27, 2025, 07:16:47 AMI think Shedeur Sanders had a strong college career and I think he can be a fine NFL QB. I'm also rooting for him. His main problem will be that he's now with the Cleveland Browns, a graveyard for young QBs.
BlueM: If he has inside him what he truly believes is first-round NFL QB skills, now is the time for him to rise to the occasion and show the world that Mel Kiper (according to ESPN, the man who "invented the draft" lol) was correct in putting him at the top of the entire draft class as its very best pro prospect. I am rooting for him too. Bob
I think two things can be true.
You could wish Shedeur Sanders, the man, the best of luck
You can point out the mistakes that were made or issues that caused Sanders to drop
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 27, 2025, 07:15:12 AMTim: I'm not down on Sanders and think he actually went lower than he deserved.
My opposition to him was always that he was not a first-rounder, and that's all the "experts" (some of whom change like the wind) were talking about... kept asking WHERE in the first round he would go. My opinion was nowhere.
I thought the Raiders would take Sanders. In any event, I think Cleveland is the team most likely to regret not drafting McCord, which has very little to do with Sanders, but I mention it because the other guy they drafted (Dylan Gabriel) is IMO less likely to succeed with Cleveland than Sanders.
Bob
That's more than fair, Bob.
There were many folks celebrating his drop. It most certainly humbled him and I am almost certain he knows nothing will be given to him. We'll see what he does with the opportunity.
https://x.com/mysportsupdate/status/1916598826561069077?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 27, 2025, 05:18:45 PMhttps://x.com/mysportsupdate/status/1916598826561069077?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Kid made a very stupid mistake. Hopefully he learns from it and grows up some after this.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 27, 2025, 05:30:57 PMKid made a very stupid mistake. Hopefully he learns from it and grows up some after this.
Wow the plot thickens, it's a nfl coaches son.
https://x.com/mikegarafolo/status/1916585739791536486?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
https://x.com/schultz_report/status/1916607307653300409?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
For whatever reason when the same exact thing happened to Cooper DeJean, the whole world wasn't up in arms like this:
https://x.com/Bettskii/status/1916178775689081159
So much for PII security. The NFL should be fining these coaches. You have no right to leave work materials available to your kids. It's a basic breach of trust.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 27, 2025, 06:37:35 PMFor whatever reason when the same exact thing happened to Cooper DeJean, the whole world wasn't up in arms like this:
https://x.com/Bettskii/status/1916178775689081159
Just wait it'll be all over the sports shows in the morning as a heinous crime that should involve jail time or some xxxx. People get so emotional, but only when it fits their agenda. Kids, I'm sure have been getting prank called on draft day since the beginning of time. Just because Sanders fell and everyone thinks there was collusion against him, they'll point to this as an example.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on April 27, 2025, 07:00:19 PMSo much for PII security. The NFL should be fining these coaches. You have no right to leave work materials available to your kids. It's a basic breach of trust.
In all fairness, the kids could have just opened their parents phone or tablet when they weren't looking. Yes it is on the parent at the end of the day, but it could have been harmless on their part.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2025, 07:03:28 PMIn all fairness, the kids could have just opened their parents phone or tablet when they weren't looking. Yes it is on the parent at the end of the day, but it could have been harmless on their part.
In my business, if someone without official clearance accesses your work computer, you risk losing your security clearance. But we live in a clown show world where top government officials text classified information to their friends and family, so I guess anything goes.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on April 27, 2025, 07:18:36 PMIn my business, if someone without official clearance accesses your work computer, you risk losing your security clearance. But we live in a clown show world where top government officials text classified information to their friends and family, so I guess anything goes.
Good point. If the US Presidential cabinet member who literally runs the Pentagon is able to keep his job despite having a Signal text chat with a non security-cleared reporter about future US combat plans, then it's hard to be overly harsh with an NFL coach for his kid stumbling on his IPad which had Shedeur's number on it.
Regardless, I do think that J-Clay's point is valid, which is that it is a double standard to flip out about this happening to Shedeur but not care at all that the same thing happened to Cooper DeJean. Which appears to be an accurate description of how the media has handled each of these incidents on a relative basis.
Happened to McCord too.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 27, 2025, 07:38:03 PMGood point. If the US Presidential cabinet member who literally runs the Pentagon is able to keep his job despite having a Signal text chat with a non security-cleared reporter about future US combat plans, then it's hard to be overly harsh with an NFL coach for his kid stumbling on his IPad which had Shedeur's number on it.
Regardless, I do think that J-Clay's point is valid, which is that it is a double standard to flip out about this happening to Shedeur but not care at all that the same thing happened to Cooper DeJean. Which appears to be an accurate description of how the media has handled each of these incidents on a relative basis.
Not sure the two situations are similar. The profile of Shedeur Sanders draft status as the worst fall in draft history makes his situation a lot more painful/high profile for sure. It doesn't shock me that there's more attention paid to him being pranked than Cooper Dejean....
Quote from: PSUBeirut on April 27, 2025, 08:06:35 PMNot sure the two situations are similar. The profile of Shedeur Sanders draft status as the worst fall in draft history makes his situation a lot more painful/high profile for sure. It doesn't shock me that there's more attention paid to him being pranked than Cooper Dejean....
In other words, the other pranks were in bad taste (I am not into pranks, so I think most are in poor taste)
With Sanders, the crushing fall combined with the public humiliation took the prank to the rubbing salt in the wound level.
Shilo Sanders seemingly learned a valuable lesson from his brother Shedeur's NFL draft slide: maybe his father, Pro Football Hall of Famer Deion Sanders, was not the best agent.
While hosting a Twitch livestream on Saturday during the 2025 NFL Draft, Shilo Sanders told his viewers that – after starting the draft process with his dad representing him – he had signed with an agent.
"Dad was our agent," Sanders said, referring to his brother Shedeur and himself, "but that hasn't been working out too good. So today I had to sign with an agent."
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/shilo-sanders-fired-father-deion-234816391.html
Something I caught that I think is being missed. During one of the post-selection press conferences, they Daboll was asked about the report that his meeting with Sanders went poorly. He did not flat out deny it. What he said was he had good productive meetings with all the QBs. But, "productive" means different things to different people. The purpose from the team's standpoint is to gain as much information about the player as they can. Well, the meeting may have been productive for Daboll as it made him realize Sanders was NOT the guy he wanted. They may have continued to spend time with him with the thought that Sanders may convince them otherwise and was unable to do so. Same for the other teams. Think ultimately it came down to Pittsburgh-Cleveland and they played a game of chicken with Cleveland finally saying, lets take him. As the Giants, Saints took other QBs they both had to think that neither was taking a QB. When Cleveland took Gabriel, Pitt like figured they could wait and possibly get him with their last pick. Finally, Cleveland said let's take him before the Steelers do and double-dip at the position.
https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1917175140384678157
To expand on this, Chase said on the podcast that agents have data on what types of interviews each coach is going to give. So that gives a prospect help in preparing
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 29, 2025, 07:59:47 AMTo expand on this, Chase said on the podcast that agents have data on what types of interviews each coach is going to give. So that gives a prospect help in preparing
Supposedly Schoen and Daboll have been running the same Qb process since 2011 and that their process has nailed Qbs that are elite at the pro level some crazy amount like 90% accounting for some outliers. This makes them passing JJ, and Penix, while being all in on Daniels and Maye more telling. It should also add another layer of ease to those people still weary about Dart.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 29, 2025, 08:05:31 AMSupposedly Schoen and Daboll have been running the same Qb process since 2011 and that their process has nailed Qbs that are elite at the pro level some crazy amount like 90% accounting for some outliers. This makes them passing JJ, and Penix, while being all in on Daniels and Maye more telling. It should also add another layer of ease to those people still weary about Dart.
I still remember Daboll after a victory in the magical 2022 season, going out with a cigar in his mouth, greeting fans after a victory.
When you see that type of man, you could see him passing on meditation-loving JJ McCarthy, but falling in love with pickup driving/horsing around, bobcat hunting Jaxson Dart.
There seems to be more compatibility with Dart's personality than with JJ or the reserved and stoic Daniel Jones. Since the QB is essentially an extension of the coach on the field...