By former 14-year NFL QB Chase Daniels
Jaxson Dart is Something Special - QB Breakdown with Chase Daniel
Great breakdown! Some of those throws, he looks like it's all arm, no lower body in the the motion. Like to see him step into the throw and drive the ball a little more.
Quote from: Gman329 on April 25, 2025, 09:09:19 AMGreat breakdown! Some of those throws, he looks like it's all arm, no lower body in the the motion. Like to see him step into the throw and drive the ball a little more.
I have overloaded on scouting reports on Dart. As you observed, there are some mechanical issues that impact his throwing. If he cleans them up, the sky is the limit.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2025, 09:15:04 AMI have overloaded on scouting reports on Dart. As you observed, there are some mechanical issues that impact his throwing. If he cleans them up, the sky is the limit.
Yeah eyes and feet need a little work but we have a year. He's going to pop in preseason throwing bombs to Hyatt and rpos and screens to nabers/wandale and people will want him to start. But he needs a year.
Dart is 21 years old and has been baptized in SEC play - he is NOT a finished project. He's still just a kid! He will get a year of tutoring by a SB QB, and will have private and intense training from some of NFL's best including having Eli's ear and support. And Dart isn't an average student with average grades...he is smart, having graduated from Ole Miss with a 3.71 GPA and was named to the Chancellor's and Dean's Honor Rolls twice, and made appearances on the Athletic Director's Honor Roll and the SEC Honor Roll
It will be fun watching him as he develops into an NFL QB...he has the tools and the mindset. Hopefully, the Giants have finally taken their first step out of QB-Hell
He has all of the tools, everything you want, except maybe a tiny tad more arm strength at times. But he can make every throw, he had the character, teammates all love him, and now in a fantastic situation, learning for a year or maybe a bit more behind Wilson and Winston, two great guys to be behind, alongside coaching, and not having the expectation of a top 5-10 pick on him. He is in a great situation to develop in a Jordan Love type way.
Quote from: MrGap92 on April 25, 2025, 10:09:00 AMHe has all of the tools, everything you want, except maybe a tiny tad more arm strength at times. But he can make every throw, he had the character, teammates all love him, and now in a fantastic situation, learning for a year or maybe a bit more behind Wilson and Winston, two great guys to be behind, alongside coaching, and not having the expectation of a top 5-10 pick on him. He is in a great situation to develop in a Jordan Love type way.
Totally agree with this take. And it's even better that we got to keep pick 65 tonight. Plus, if the defense comes together as a top ten unit, that's even less pressure on a young QB to win games by yourself.
Of course, if he's not the guy after all we'll be right back in the same boat. And the flip side of that coin includes a still unfortunately unstable OL.
But for me, for now- I choose hope!!!!
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2025, 09:30:59 AMYeah eyes and feet need a little work but we have a year. He's going to pop in preseason throwing bombs to Hyatt and rpos and screens to nabers/wandale and people will want him to start. But he needs a year.
J: Yes, that was the "hidden cost" of moving up for Dart. He's not available immediately, as a non-QB drafted by moving up would have been. Well, the year won't be "wasted" because he'll be improving mentally & getting familiar with how to play while the home fans are booing. lol
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I did hear the one thing that concerned me on tiki show. That at time in big spots he'd screw up because of the pressure of the spot he was in when it was needed. Opposite of Eli. Hopefully in the next level that won't be an issue as we've seen with some QBs like Mcnabb in the past.
Also that he was a RPO/PAP and normally played half the field, plus the clapping before the hike as well as deciding where to go with the ball.
Think some if not most of it can be on the coach/scheme and team aspect like the clapping, but being able to direct the defense and make progressions is huge. You can only play half the field so long before they shut you down.
Quote from: DragonSoul on April 26, 2025, 12:30:20 AMI did hear the one thing that concerned me on tiki show. That at time in big spots he'd screw up because of the pressure of the spot he was in when it was needed. Opposite of Eli. Hopefully in the next level that won't be an issue as we've seen with some QBs like Mcnabb in the past.
Also that he was a RPO/PAP and normally played half the field, plus the clapping before the hike as well as deciding where to go with the ball.
Think some if not most of it can be on the coach/scheme and team aspect like the clapping, but being able to direct the defense and make progressions is huge. You can only play half the field so long before they shut you down.
Bobby Skinner voiced a lot of concerns about Dart as well. Look, we know the Giants weren't "in love" with Dart. If they were, he would have been drafted 3rd overall. So there are warts and there are concerns, we can just hope for the best.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 07:17:29 AMBobby Skinner voiced a lot of concerns about Dart as well. Look, we know the Giants weren't "in love" with Dart. If they were, he would have been drafted 3rd overall. So there are warts and there are concerns, we can just hope for the best.
Agreed, and the same can be said about other teams (such as the Saints) not loving him to that degree.
With that said, I won't bring up the usual QBs people always like to bring up (Brady, Russell Wilson, Purdy, even Dak) who got drafted much later than what their eventual careers would suggest they should have. Instead, here are a few QBs who got drafted in a roughly similar area to where Dart was taken:
Lamar Jackson: 32nd overall.
Aaron Rodgers: 24th overall.
Jordan Love: 26th overall.
I appreciate that Love has not yet risen to the levels that the first two examples do, but he is still only 26 and has already had success in the National Football League, including leading the Packers to the playoffs. The other two are Hall of Famers.
Obviously, the purpose of listing these QBs is not to suggest that Dart will be as good as any of them. The purpose is just to remind myself, and others here, that none of the above QBs were seen to be can't-miss, truly elite prospects on draft day. All were perceived to have warts, just the way Dart is being perceived.
We really don't know. Neither do the Giants. The great thing is that there is absolutely no rush to play Dart. Hell, they really don't even have to play him in 2026 if they don't feel he is ready. I appreciate the hope is that you can take advantage of the years he is on his rookie deal, but I would argue it is much more important to set him up to succeed, however long that takes. I am sure the plan is to have him ready by 2026, but if they feel his development is taking longer than that, then so be it. Jordan Love sat out for two years, and that seems to be going ok. Rodgers really wasn't the starter in Green Bay for three years, and his career appears to have gone ok. Rushing rookie QBs onto the field, even ones taken in the top five, often proves to have been a bad idea. I love that the Giants realize this and have no intentions of doing that. I know fans are curious and want to see him, but we all need to be patient.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 26, 2025, 07:50:35 AMAgreed, and the same can be said about other teams (such as the Saints) not loving him to that degree.
With that said, I won't bring up the usual QBs people always like to bring up (Brady, Russell Wilson, Purdy, even Dak) who got drafted much later than what their eventual careers would suggest they should have. Instead, here are a few QBs who got drafted in a roughly similar area to where Dart was taken:
Lamar Jackson: 32nd overall.
Aaron Rodgers: 24th overall.
Jordan Love: 26th overall.
I appreciate that Love has not yet risen to the levels that the first two examples do, but he is still only 26 and has already had success in the National Football League, including leading the Packers to the playoffs. The other two are Hall of Famers.
Obviously, the purpose of listing these QBs is not to suggest that Dart will be as good as any of them. The purpose is just to remind myself, and others here, that none of the above QBs were seen to be can't-miss, truly elite prospects on draft day. All were perceived to have warts, just the way Dart is being perceived.
We really don't know. Neither do the Giants. The great thing is that there is absolutely no rush to play Dart. Hell, they really don't even have to play him in 2026 if they don't feel he is ready. I appreciate the hope is that you can take advantage of the years he is on his rookie deal, but I would argue it is much more important to set him up to succeed, however long that takes. I am sure the plan is to have him ready by 2026, but if they feel his development is taking longer than that, then so be it. Jordan Love sat out for two years, and that seems to be going ok. Rodgers really wasn't the starter in Green Bay for three years, and his career appears to have gone ok. Rushing rookie QBs onto the field, even ones taken in the top five, often proves to have been a bad idea. I love that the Giants realize this and have no intentions of doing that. I know fans are curious and want to see him, but we all need to be patient.
I agree, being drafted 25th hardly is a career death sentence. As for getting on the field, it will be interesting. If the Giants are out of the playoff hunt by their usual Halloween/Thanksgiving, do the Giants put Dart in to get him reps to develop?
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 07:17:29 AMBobby Skinner voiced a lot of concerns about Dart as well. Look, we know the Giants weren't "in love" with Dart. If they were, he would have been drafted 3rd overall. So there are warts and there are concerns, we can just hope for the best.
I disagree. I believe they were in love with him, but they had a potential generational player on their laps, and knowing from their Intel, they could get Dart later that round or in the 34th slot. The risk of losing Dart was acceptable to getting Carter. Doesn't mean they didn't love Dart. LT vs Simms? LT all the way.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 07:56:41 AMI agree, being drafted 25th hardly is a career death sentence. As for getting on the field, it will be interesting. If the Giants are out of the playoff hunt by their usual Halloween/Thanksgiving, do the Giants put Dart in to get him reps to develop?
The fact that they moved up for him, gives Dart some added credibility.
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 07:57:04 AMI disagree. I believe they were in love with him, but they had a potential generational player on their laps, and knowing from their Intel, they could get Dart later that round or in the 34th slot. The risk of losing Dart was acceptable to getting Carter. Doesn't mean they didn't love Dart. LT vs Simms? LT all the way.
I get your point, but no one questions the Titans taking Ward over Carter or Hunter, because of the positional value of QB, and a good QB prospect is a bit of a trump card. I have no doubt the Giants like like Dart, they just didn't have the sort of "full bloom love" that (as you said) they weren't willing to risk losing Dart to another team
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 07:56:41 AMI agree, being drafted 25th hardly is a career death sentence. As for getting on the field, it will be interesting. If the Giants are out of the playoff hunt by their usual Halloween/Thanksgiving, do the Giants put Dart in to get him reps to develop?
I think they probably would Rich. I would be surprised if he is on the field (as a starter) before November, but if they are something like 4-8, he could easily go in. We also may get glimpses of him in fourth quarters if the outcome of the game is no longer in question (albeit this data will be less meaningful than watching him in a full game as a starter).
In terms of the depth chart, I am expecting Dart to be third, behind Winston. Would you agree? I guess this means we have to carry three QBs on the 53 this year? I really don't think they'd make Dart QB2 on day one. If he's not ready to be a starter, why would they make him the backup? And why did they sign Winston if that was the plan?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 26, 2025, 08:02:37 AMI think they probably would Rich. I would be surprised if he is on the field (as a starter) before November, but if they are something like 4-8, he could easily go in. We also may get glimpses of him in fourth quarters if the outcome of the game is no longer in question (albeit this data will be less meaningful than watching him in a full game as a starter).
In terms of the depth chart, I am expecting Dart to be third, behind Winston. Would you agree? I guess this means we have to carry three QBs on the 53 this year? I really don't think they'd make Dart QB2 on day one. If he's not ready to be a starter, why would they make him the backup? And why did they sign Winston if that was the plan?
The drafting of Dart sort of makes the Winston signing a bit of overkill. As you said, they will need to keep three QBs on the roster this year, and Winston will be the obvious backup candidate. I wonder if DeVito has any trade value.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 08:01:52 AMI get your point, but no one questions the Titans taking Ward over Carter or Hunter, because of the positional value of QB, and a good QB prospect is a bit of a trump card. I have no doubt the Giants like like Dart, they just didn't have the sort of "full bloom love" that (as you said) they weren't willing to risk losing Dart to another team
Rich, remember that the Giants had Wilson and Winston. Tenn has Levis, Boyle and Allen. Quite frankly, I didn't see Ward as worthy of the #1 Pick and to your point I have to accept that the Giants were willing to give up next year's first rounder to get Ward. They must have loved his high ceiling and superior arm. I'm curious to see who has the better career.
I am very happy with the Giants and how they handled the first round.....Carter was a must pick ...did some say at some point that they would not have been too upset if Giants took Sanders at 3...???
Dart was ranked as # 2 QB prospect for some time now (by many ) they knew that Dart would fall to middle late first....moving up to get him for what they gave up is a very good deal and settles the QB room for some time. and not having to go through QB crap in next years draft,
Dart has all the skills needed to be a very good Nfl QB.
There no can't miss QB's in first round ever...does Dart have many things to work on ...? yes, but his skill set allows the Giants to bring him along at a good pace...
And to all the QB experts ...Day #3 and Sanders still on the board....??
Personally , I wanted Dart all along ...so I am very happy at this point...
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 08:07:39 AMRich, remember that the Giants had Wilson and Winston. Tenn has Levis, Boyle and Allen. Quite frankly, I didn't see Ward as worthy of the #1 Pick and to your point I have to accept that the Giants were willing to give up next year's first rounder to get Ward. They must have loved his high ceiling and superior arm. I'm curious to see who has the better career.
That's a good question for you media folks out there. Why were the giants targeting Ward and willing to give up a first, or was that rumor false?
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 08:11:19 AMThat's a good question for you media folks out there. Why were the giants targeting Ward and willing to give up a first, or was that rumor false?
I think there is a general perception that it's just a player's grade that gets them ranked. I suspect the reality is it's the player's grade multiplied by positional value. QB value is significantly higher than any other, so that's why the Giants wanted Ward over Carter or Hunter
Rich...trade tommy. no one will take him. but Winston might bring something from a qb desperate team if they don't get a guy in the draft. Pit and Cle [his old team] come to mind.
Quote from: President Rick on April 26, 2025, 09:15:10 AMRich...trade tommy. no one will take him. but Winston might bring something from a qb desperate team if they don't get a guy in the draft. Pit and Cle [his old team] come to mind.
Trading Winston (on a 2 year deal) would cause a $2.5 million dollar cap hit
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 08:06:09 AMThe drafting of Dart sort of makes the Winston signing a bit of overkill. As you said, they will need to keep three QBs on the roster this year, and Winston will be the obvious backup candidate. I wonder if DeVito has any trade value.
Seeing that DeVito cleared waivers in each of the last two seasons and was bad in games last year, I cannot see how anyone would give up anything at all for him. I'd be shocked, and even a 7th rounder would feel like a win.