Wanted to get a sense of what I could get
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Darius Alexander- Interior lineman with the size, length and physicality for consideration in odd or even fronts. Alexander is capable of destroying blocks, but he needs to do a better job of balancing his force to control the action at the point of attack. He can hold his ground when he's staying low, but the pad level is inconsistent and causes his gap constriction to be hit-or-miss. Alexander has above-average rush acumen. He does a nice job of utilizing his traits and crafting a plan of attack. His best football could be ahead of him, but for now, he projects as an average rotational player or backup.
Damien Martinez- Productive three-year starter with an impressive blend of power, dexterity and decisiveness. First and foremost, Martinez is truly a "big back" who proves he can find yards after contact on most carries. He lacks speed to win outside but does a nice job creating alternate routes using vision and agility when it's congested inside. Despite a lack of breakaway speed, Martinez averaged 6.2 yards per carry on 514 career totes. He can catch passes here and there but could be best dialed in as a complementary banger capable of taking on the lion's share of the carries if needed.
Jack Nelson- Durable four-year starter with Wisconsin football racing through his blood. He's a better run blocker than pass protector on tape, with the quickness and athleticism to find his landmarks on move blocks. He operates with good strain and technique on base and drive blocks but won't create much push. Nelson's pass sets can feel frantic with disheveled footwork, inconsistent body control and an anchor that could struggle to withstand NFL speed-to-power. He needs to get stronger, but his instincts and awareness in protection could pair with his range as a move blocker for consideration by zone-heavy teams.
Jeffrey Bassa- Bassa is a weak-side linebacker prospect who played inside at Oregon to get the best athletes on the field. He's a little bit mechanical as a run defender and will flow downhill before properly diagnosing, but he keeps himself clean using his hands to separate. He needs to pursue with better leverage to prevent overflow, but he does what is needed to get involved with the play. He's capable on passing downs, with man-cover talent and an ability to attack the pocket as a blitzer. A move to Will linebacker would allow Bassa to play more run-and-hit football, which could bolster his chances as a good 'backer with the potential to develop into a starter.
Elijah Simmons- Simmons has the build of a huge tree stump and is highly explosive off the snap. Despite seeing a limited snap count, there's plenty of evidence of centers and guards straining to survive the unique carnage he can create. He unleashes knock-back power at the point of attack and can disrupt move-blocking schemes. For all of the trouble he can cause early in the snap, the overall production is somewhat light. Simmons likely won't play on passing downs but should offer Day 3 value for a defense seeking a rotational one-technique who can muddy run lanes.
Rich
You would take that right now wouldnt you??
Dan
Quote from: Dumpster Dan on April 25, 2025, 08:07:43 AMRich
You would take that right now wouldnt you??
Dan
Absolutely! I want to get a DT, a RB, and an O-lineman with the last 5 picks. The only thing I had to "settle" on was that my O-linemen is unlikely to start year one.
I would love Alexander at 65
I just did one myself. I came away with
65. Tate Ratledge OG
105. Deone Walker DT
154. Raheim Sanders RB
219. Antwane Wells Jr WR
246. Nazir Stackhouse DT
I think Alexander will be gone before the 3rd round. We need a Guard or OT IMHO in the 3rd or 4th round. They met with Mbow from Purdue. Got to think he's on radar for those rounds.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 25, 2025, 08:33:02 AMI think Alexander will be gone before the 3rd round. We need a Guard or OT IMHO in the 3rd or 4th round. They met with Mbow from Purdue. Got to think he's on radar for those rounds.
The simulator had MBow going late round 2. Sort of makes sense considering the O-linemen have been going higher than expected
Let's hope it works out that way. The guy from Toledo could be gone by then, but you never know. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 25, 2025, 08:56:12 AMLet's hope it works out that way. The guy from Toledo could be gone by then, but you never know. Bob
Here were the other DTs left on the board (on this mock draft)
Omarr Norman-Lott
DT
Tennessee
Alfred Collins
DT
Texas
Shemar Turner
DT
Texas A&M
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2025, 09:04:14 AMHere were the other DTs left on the board (on this mock draft)
Omarr Norman-Lott
DT
Tennessee
Alfred Collins
DT
Texas
Shemar Turner
DT
Texas A&M
You may have missed it in my post yesterday, but Collins is a guy I really like. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 25, 2025, 09:10:48 AMYou may have missed it in my post yesterday, but Collins is a guy I really like. Bob
I would be happy to get him as at least the run defense issues and coverage for Dex when he rests would be solved
Heard Alexander was considered in the 1st rd last night.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2025, 09:13:34 AMI would be happy to get him as at least the run defense issues and coverage for Dex when he rests would be solved
Rich: At 65 it's unlikely a guy who can both stop the run and rush the passer at the NFL level will still be there. Since you missed my note yesterday, my hope is that a veteran with one or two gallons of gas left in the tank might be cut, either after June 1 or during cut-downs in late summer. Schoen has been good at finding last-minute fill-in guys in the DT department. Bob
Why are you guys not more concerned about OL? We have no quality depth, need a starting RG and frankly are subpar at center and can use an upgrade at ORT.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 25, 2025, 09:39:17 AMWhy are you guys not more concerned about OL? We have no quality depth, need a starting RG and frankly are subpar at center and can use an upgrade at ORT.
I tend to lean BPA, and O-line wasn't among the BPAs when I was picking
Quote from: Philosophers on April 25, 2025, 09:39:17 AMWhy are you guys not more concerned about OL? We have no quality depth, need a starting RG and frankly are subpar at center and can use an upgrade at ORT.
Phil: OL has been a problem so long that I've grown weary talking about it. It's one of the reasons I would not have traded up into the first round for a QB. We lost two really good picks (34 and 99) one of which could have been used on OL. But Rich is right about best player available. When 65 rolls around, we'll be lucky if Tate Ratledge is still there. I wouldn't mind trading up from 65 to get him but it will cost us a pick from next year, and we already gave up next year's third-rounder as part of the Dart trade. Bob
Quote from: Philosophers on April 25, 2025, 09:39:17 AMWhy are you guys not more concerned about OL? We have no quality depth, need a starting RG and frankly are subpar at center and can use an upgrade at ORT.
I'm not as worried because I've heard the Giants met with Hernadez, Dalton Risner, and Nick Harris this offseason but were waiting until after the draft.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2025, 10:26:26 AMI'm not as worried because I've heard the Giants met with Hernadez, Dalton Risner, and Nick Harris this offseason but were waiting until after the draft.
I'd take Hernandez back.
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 25, 2025, 09:52:05 AMPhil: OL has been a problem so long that I've grown weary talking about it. It's one of the reasons I would not have traded up into the first round for a QB. We lost two really good picks (34 and 99) one of which could have been used on OL. But Rich is right about best player available. When 65 rolls around, we'll be lucky if Tate Ratledge is still there. I wouldn't mind trading up from 65 to get him but it will cost us a pick from next year, and we already gave up next year's third-rounder as part of the Dart trade. Bob
I don't look at it as though we lost pick 34. We basically exchanged pick 34 for pick 25 (much more valuable than 34). And if we got our future QB, then it was a steal for what we had to give up. However, we did lose one this year - pick 99. Luckily, we still have pick 105, so we won't have to wait several hours to be back on the clock...which takes some of the sting out of losing 99. Then again, I was shocked in the first place to hear we even got an extra pick at the end of the 3rd as compensation. That was like manna from heaven
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 25, 2025, 11:03:54 AMI don't look at it as though we lost pick 34. We basically exchanged pick 34 for pick 25 (much more valuable than 34). And if we got our future QB, then it was a steal for what we had to give up. However, we did lose one this year - pick 99. Luckily, we still have pick 105, so we won't have to wait several hours to be back on the clock...which takes some of the sting out of losing 99. Then again, I was shocked in the first place to hear we even got an extra pick at the end of the 3rd as compensation. That was like manna from heaven
Jolly: I don't know about anyone else, but MY reason for not wanted to trade up for a QB was because I knew the guy we were going to take is highly unlikely to play this year, and almost completely unlikely to start a game. In other words, the additional cost of the trade is that we have to wait a year to get anything out of him. By contrast, getting a non-QB player at a position of need (particularly DT and OL) would have paid dividends NOW. Bob
I think a bad OL brings down the entire offense. No other position group has that effect except QB. It needs more fixing IMHO.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 25, 2025, 11:15:38 AMI think a bad OL brings down the entire offense. No other position group has that effect except QB. It needs more fixing IMHO.
Phil: One of the less obvious "good things" about Dart watching from the sidelines for a season (there aren't many!) is that it gives us more time to obtain OL players who aren't going to get him killed. I comfort myself with that thought (for now). OL is everything. You saw how even the best QB in the game struggled last year (and lost games) because KC didn't successfully "fix" their OL. And they still haven't. Bob
My mock, now that we're on to day two
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I really like Jackson Slater, an inside lineman who is one of (if not) thee best lineman playing zone (poor man's Zach Martin - the zone king) and one of the top pass protectors in the draft. Not so much in run support, but nobody gets by him to the QB
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Scouting Report: Summary (from NFLDraftBuzz)
The tape doesn't lie - Slater has NFL starter written all over him, particularly in a zone-based system where his athleticism and spatial awareness shine brightest. His masterful jump sets and natural leverage consistently pop on film, compensating for less-than-ideal length with veteran-level technique. That San Jose State game was a revelation, watching him slide seamlessly to center for a handful of snaps and handle the increased mental load without missing a beat.
The November knee injury is a legitimate concern, but don't let it overshadow three years of rock-solid durability and steadily improving play. Teams running outside zone concepts will fall in love with his ability to reach the track star defensive tackles in this class - I counted at least six highlight-reel blocks against Portland State where he locked up and drove defenders well past the numbers. His anchor needs work against pure power, but show me a Day 3 interior prospect who doesn't need technical refinement.
Mark my words - some zone-heavy team is going to steal this kid in the mid rounds and look like geniuses by midseason. The combination of pass protection polish, positional versatility, and untapped athletic upside is exactly what smart offensive line coaches dream about. Give him a year to fully recover and master an NFL system, and you're looking at a 10-year starter who can play any interior spot at a winning level.
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Quote from: Philosophers on April 25, 2025, 09:39:17 AMWhy are you guys not more concerned about OL? We have no quality depth, need a starting RG and frankly are subpar at center and can use an upgrade at ORT.
We don't have any quality OL locked up beyond this year outside if Thomas, which is quite concerning. Unfortunately, I doubt value is going to meet need with our remaining picks. More likely that DL/RB/TE will be the BPA.
Gotta hope we re-up Eleumenor & JMS becomes at least average. Then I would expect 1 big FA signing & 1 premium draft pick next year will have to be allocated to the OL.
Quote from: KevinSays on April 25, 2025, 11:55:27 AMWe don't have any quality OL locked up beyond this year outside if Thomas, which is quite concerning. Unfortunately, I doubt value is going to meet need with our remaining picks. More likely that DL/RB/TE will be the BPA.
Gotta hope we re-up Eleumenor & JMS becomes at least average. Then I would expect 1 big FA signing & 1 premium draft pick next year will have to be allocated to the OL.
Kevin: Good summary of all topics covered. Not hitting on Evan Neal really set us back. Bob
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Quote from: Bob In PA on April 25, 2025, 12:17:45 PMKevin: Good summary of all topics covered. Not hitting on Evan Neal really set us back. Bob
Thank you, Bob! I really like the GVR re-signing, but he's just a Band Aid for this year. I am surprised we didn't pick up Andre James (cheap & only 27 years old), who played well at center under Bricillo.
It's borderline criminal that we are heading into Year 4 & we never got to see Neal or Ezeudu play guard.
Really hoping for some good health along the OL this season. Would be a nice change of pace to not have to constantly try to operate an offense while simultaneously having poor o-line play.
Rich...Alexander at #65. you are nailing this thing. Well done my friend. Go Giants!!
Looks like the guy from Toledo wasn't gone after all. lol You just never know!
He's not the perfect guy to play next to Dexter, but he's a great guy to sub in for Dex when he needs a rest.
Projects as a three technique, and (more importantly) a very good one, IMO.
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 25, 2025, 09:55:41 PMLooks like the guy from Toledo wasn't gone after all. lol You just never know!
He's not the perfect guy to play next to Dexter, but he's a great guy to sub in for Dex when he needs a rest.
Projects as a three technique, and (more importantly) a very good one, IMO.
Bob
1 down, 4 to go :D
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 25, 2025, 09:55:41 PMLooks like the guy from Toledo wasn't gone after all. lol You just never know!
He's not the perfect guy to play next to Dexter, but he's a great guy to sub in for Dex when he needs a rest.
Projects as a three technique, and (more importantly) a very good one, IMO.
Bob
Bob - we got us an aggressive gap attacking DT next to the best Edge in Carter. Shane Bowen may take a pay cut to be DC here.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2025, 09:58:05 PM1 down, 4 to go :D
Rich: I thought we only had 3 to go. What am I missing (or misunderstanding about your remark)? Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 25, 2025, 10:13:44 PMRich: I thought we only had 3 to go. What am I missing (or misunderstanding about your remark)? Bob
I made 5 picks, I got the first one right, 4 to go :D
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2025, 10:19:10 PMI made 5 picks, I got the first one right, 4 to go :D
Rich: IMO we caught a much-needed break when the Chiefs took the guy from Tennessee instead of Alexander. Norman-Lott is a good player but maybe a bit too small for what he'll be asked to do in KC.
I respect Spags but think they could have made better use of Alexander (who has better size and IMO the higher ceiling). With major league coaching the rough edges will be chipped off of him quickly. Hopefully, Dex will show him a few tricks for handling double-teams.
"Iron Man" (his nickname) can be a special guy. Right now, he compensates for having rough edges by playing every play like its the last time he'll ever play football. Too bad he's not a couple years younger.
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 25, 2025, 10:29:30 PMRich: IMO we caught a much-needed break when the Chiefs took the guy from Tennessee instead of Alexander. Norman-Lott is a good player but maybe a bit too small for what he'll be asked to do in KC.
I respect Spags but think they could have made better use of Alexander (who has better size and IMO the higher ceiling). With major league coaching the rough edges will be chipped off of him quickly. Hopefully, Dex will show him a few tricks for handling double-teams.
"Iron Man" (his nickname) can be a special guy. Right now, he compensates for having rough edges by playing every play like its the last time he'll ever play football. Too bad he's not a couple years younger.
Bob
He will be 26 at the start of the season, so they will likely only get 6 or 7 years. Considering he hasn't played DT that long and the Giants have the best D-line coach in the business, things could get exciting