Ny Giants Depth Chart 2025 Pre Camp
QB- Russell Wilson, Jameis Winston, Jaxson Dart
RB- Tyrone Tracey, Cam Skattebo, Devin Singletary, Eric Gray, Dante Miller
WR1- Malik Nabers, Zach Pascal, BFW
WR2- Darius Slayton, Jalin Hyatt, Montrell Washington
Slot- Wandale Robinson, Lil Humphrey, Dalen Cambre, Ihmir Smith
TE- Theo Johnson, Dane Bellinger, Chris Manhertz, Thomas Fidone, Greg Dulich
LT- Andrew Thomas, James Hudson, Josh Ezuedu
LG- Jon Runyan, Austin Stinnie
C- JMS, Austin Schlotman, Jimmy Morrissey, Bryan Hudson
RG- Van Roten, Marcus Mbow, Jake Kubas
RT- Eluemunor, Evan Neal, Stone Foresyte
Defense-
DE- Chauncey Golston, Elijah Chatman, Jeremiah Ledbetter
DT- Dexter Lawrence, Robertson-Harris, DJ Davidson
NT- Daruis Alexander, Nunez Roches, Jordan Riley
LOLB- Brian Burns, Dimukeje
MLB1- Bobby Okereke, Chris Board
MLB2- Micah McFadden, Daruis Massau, Dyontae Johnson
ROLB- Abdul Carter, Thibodeaux, Tomon Fox
CB1- Paulson Adebo, Art Green, Nic Jones
CB2- Tae Banks, Tre Hawkins, Korie Black
Nickel- Andrus Phillips, Cordale Flott
SS- Tyler Nubin, Dane Belton, Raheem Layne
FS- Jevon Holland, Anthony Johnson
Any positions that you would want signed, traded for, or a cut pickup before camp starts?
My wishlist:
Dynamic WR or TE that could compete for snaps
Boundary corner so that we have better depth
3rd safety, not only for depth, but most teams need a 3rd safety for formations that they run.
How do you see them configure the front 7? The Giants ran a 2-4-5 and a 3-4 for a majority of the season until Lawrence went down. Could Burns move to DE in a 3 man front? Would you be ok with Carter in McFaddens spot when he's not on the edge so you have Burns, KT, Okereke, and Carter in the 4 linebacker spots, with Golston, Lawrence, Alexander at the 3 line spots? Would a 4-3 get the 3 pass rushers on the field more than a 3-4?
WR and interior OL are super concerning, IMO.
Absolutely no depth at WR, and honestly Nabers is the only starter I'm fond of.
IOL is a complete mess. They're a Runyan injury away from having 3 below average starters inside.
I don't expect them to compete this season, so I'm not worried about it for now. But to position Dart for success in 2026, they need a legit #2 WR and at least 2 new solid starters at center and guard.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on April 26, 2025, 11:43:23 PMWR and interior OL are super concerning, IMO.
Absolutely no depth at WR, and honestly Nabers is the only starter I'm fond of.
IOL is a complete mess. They're a Runyan injury away from having 3 below average starters inside.
I don't expect them to compete this season, so I'm not worried about it for now. But to position Dart for success in 2026, they need a legit #2 WR and at least 2 new solid starters at center and guard.
The good thing about the interior oline now is that we have two starters as backups. Eluemunor and Mbow could slide in immediately at one of the guard spots to fill in. Mbow will likely challenge Van Roten immediately, and be the backup at RG, and RT. Having a guy that should start as a backup now is a good thing. Also don't sleep on Jake Kubas, he was coming from the FCS/N Dakota St and needed a year in the weight room and adjusting to the NFL. He had the 46th best run blocking grade among Guards in the limited snaps he saw. His first start vs Atlanta was ugly but he still only gave up 2 pressures. He could be a guy in year 2 now that he's had time to add weight and muscle could genuinely shock people. If Kubas and Mbow hit, then that is two guys that could cover every single position on the line besides LT and Eluemunor could cover that if needed. So while we do need a swing tackle, I think we are so much better today on the line, or at least I feel so much more comfortable than yesterday.
I fully concur with those who are expressing concern about WR. While Nabers is elite, I feel like there isn't much else, and that include TE. I know some are very high on Hyatt's talent, many here believe Wan'Dale is way better than what he has done here over a meaningful sample, and I know plenty like Theo Johnson. All of those are fair opinions and maybe one or two of them will prove true, but if you look at all the 31 other teams, you'll see that most have a secondary (and not infrequently tertiary) aerial option that has already proven to be better than any of what we have besides Nabers.
This is not a complaint about our draft (which I loved) or our free agency (which I think was productive). When you're 3-14, you can't fix everything in an offseason. But I'd definitely list WR as a clear need now moving forward. You can't have just one guy and then a handful of meh JAGs. That doesn't work in this league.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 26, 2025, 11:37:02 PMNy Giants Depth Chart 2025 Pre Camp
J: Thanks for doing that work. Much appreciated. Bob
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2025, 12:01:27 AMThe good thing about the interior oline now is that we have two starters as backups. Eluemunor and Mbow could slide in immediately at one of the guard spots to fill in. Mbow will likely challenge Van Roten immediately, and be the backup at RG, and RT. Having a guy that should start as a backup now is a good thing. Also don't sleep on Jake Kubas, he was coming from the FCS/N Dakota St and needed a year in the weight room and adjusting to the NFL. He had the 46th best run blocking grade among Guards in the limited snaps he saw. His first start vs Atlanta was ugly but he still only gave up 2 pressures. He could be a guy in year 2 now that he's had time to add weight and muscle could genuinely shock people. If Kubas and Mbow hit, then that is two guys that could cover every single position on the line besides LT and Eluemunor could cover that if needed. So while we do need a swing tackle, I think we are so much better today on the line, or at least I feel so much more comfortable than yesterday.
I wish I shared your optimism re: the IOL. While it's possible 1 or 2 of these guys put it together, hoping for growth is not the most solid of foundations.
Mbow was available in the 5th for a reason. And if he does end up competing with Van Roten, it will be more to do with Van Roten not being good than Mbow being starter worthy. We all expected Ezeudu to compete to start early on, and he had a higher pedigree and stronger performance history than Mbow.
And yes, a guy like Kubas could certainly work out. There are dozens of stories across the league of guys like him turning into league average or slightly better OL. But when is the last time the Giants developed one? Seubert? I get that Bricillo is new and maybe offers more hope, but there's that word "hope" again.
So by my count, that leaves a starting OL with 2 below average guys, 2 league average to slightly above guys, and 1 elite guy with major injury concerns.
This is why my biggest complaint with the draft was not addressing this unit.
Mbow is being broken in at Tackle initially, according to Daboll. Neal was moved to Guard.
WR is a concern and that's after the Giants signed two WRs in free agency
WR ZACH PASCAL (SIGNED)
After going undrafted, Pascal, 6-foot-2 and 215 pounds, spent time with the Commanders (2017), Titans (2017), Colts (2018-21), Eagles (2022), and Cardinals (2023-24). The veteran wide receiver has played in 112 games with 47 starts and has caught 169 passes for 2,057 yards and 16 touchdowns. Pascal has also returned 26 kickoffs for 597 yards (23.0 avg.).
The 30-year-old has played in six postseason games, three with the Colts and three with the Eagles, and totaled eight receptions for 65 yards and a touchdown.
Pascal put together back-to-back campaigns with 40+ receptions, 600+ receiving yards and five receiving touchdowns for the Colts in 2019 and 2020.
Prior to the NFL, Pascal played at Old Dominion where he played in 49 games (41 starts) and finished with 233 receptions, a school record, for 3,184 yards and 30 touchdowns, along with an additional 310 yards and one touchdown on the ground.
In his final two campaigns with the Monarchs, he registered 1,090+ scrimmage yards and nine touchdowns each season. Both years resulted in him being named second-team All-Conference USA. His 1,549 all-purpose yards as a junior were a single-season school record.
WR LIL'JORDAN HUMPHREY (SIGNED)
Humphrey, 6-4 and 225 pounds, is entering his seventh NFL season. He has played in 58 regular-season games with 23 starts for the Saints (2019-21), Patriots (2022), and Broncos (2023-24). His career numbers include 62 receptions for 770 yards (12.4 yards per catch) and seven touchdowns. Humphrey has also appeared in three postseason games, including a start for Denver this past season.
Humphrey played in every game over the last two years with the Broncos, starting a career-high eight games in 2023 and seven in 2024. He posted personal bests in receptions (31) and yards (293) this past season.
Humphrey started 18 of 36 games played in three seasons at the University of Texas (2016-18), finishing with 125 receptions for 1,622 yards with 10 touchdowns. His 1,176 receiving yards as a junior were the third-most in a single season in program history at the time. Humphrey attended Southlake Carroll High School in Texas, where he was a two-time all-state selection.
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 27, 2025, 09:45:28 AMMbow is being broken in at Tackle initially, according to Daboll. Neal was moved to Guard.
That kinda pisses me off because they announced him as a guard. Every scout and person that has done tape on him thinks he's a guard. So now we have to worry they are going to be stubborn like with Neal and Ezeudu keeping them in the wrong position too long. I think Ezuedu would have been a serviceable guard had he been trained at just guard. The flip flopping between guard and LT ruined his development imo.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2025, 10:47:27 AMThat kinda pisses me off because they announced him as a guard. Every scout and person that has done tape on him thinks he's a guard. So now we have to worry they are going to be stubborn like with Neal and Ezeudu keeping them in the wrong position too long. I think Ezuedu would have been a serviceable guard had he been trained at just guard. The flip flopping between guard and LT ruined his development imo.
Oh, I agree. But... we will see if Ezeudu even has a future here anymore. This will surely push him. I agree with starting him at tackle, because the inside is quite violent and I wouldn't want to test that leg at this point. He has great feet and is about 25 lbs too light to play Guard, and he's shown his inability to hold on the Bull Rush.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on April 26, 2025, 11:43:23 PMWR and interior OL are super concerning, IMO.
Absolutely no depth at WR, and honestly Nabers is the only starter I'm fond of.
IOL is a complete mess. They're a Runyan injury away from having 3 below average starters inside.
I don't expect them to compete this season, so I'm not worried about it for now. But to position Dart for success in 2026, they need a legit #2 WR and at least 2 new solid starters at center and guard.
6 UDFA WRs were signed. This is an indicator that the roster is quite thin at that position after Nabers. If we want to eventually play with the Cowboys , Redskins and Eagles we need a WR core that puts fear in opposing defenses.
Go get Keenan Allen or Amari Cooper.
One glaring issue is still depth. Starters are getting to the point where they can be competitive in every game, but the drop off from starter to back up is cataclysmic at some positions.
Quote from: Uncle Mickey on April 27, 2025, 10:55:38 AM6 UDFA WRs were signed. This is an indicator that the roster is quite thin at that position after Nabers. If we want to eventually play with the Cowboys , Redskins and Eagles we need a WR core that puts fear in opposing defenses.
Go get Keenan Allen or Amari Cooper.
At their age I don't know that they are difference makers. There are a couple guys they could probably bring in on the cheap though. DJ Chark, Elijah Moore, Nelson Agholor, Tyler Boyd, or Robert Woods. Cooper only had 500 yards last season, and Allen 700 which I think was less than Slayton with backups.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2025, 10:47:27 AMThat kinda pisses me off because they announced him as a guard. Every scout and person that has done tape on him thinks he's a guard. So now we have to worry they are going to be stubborn like with Neal and Ezeudu keeping them in the wrong position too long. I think Ezuedu would have been a serviceable guard had he been trained at just guard. The flip flopping between guard and LT ruined his development imo.
I think it may just be driving home the point to Neal: Get on board as a guard or take a walk.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on April 26, 2025, 11:43:23 PMWR and interior OL are super concerning, IMO.
Absolutely no depth at WR, and honestly Nabers is the only starter I'm fond of.
IOL is a complete mess. They're a Runyan injury away from having 3 below average starters inside.
I don't expect them to compete this season, so I'm not worried about it for now. But to position Dart for success in 2026, they need a legit #2 WR and at least 2 new solid starters at center and guard.
I am with you. I only like Nabers unless Hyatt starts getting opps.
Interior OL is a mess. No confidence in JMS so an even crappier backup at center. Unless Mbow steps in at RG and plays up, hole there. As you said, only Runyan injury away from complete disaster plus we know Thomas will be out at some point.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 27, 2025, 12:01:04 PMI am with you. I only like Nabers unless Hyatt starts getting opps.
Interior OL is a mess. No confidence in JMS so an even crappier backup at center. Unless Mbow steps in at RG and plays up, hole there. As you said, only Runyan injury away from complete disaster plus we know Thomas will be out at some point.
I think Mbow could be an all pro at center, but just a good guard/rt.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2025, 12:26:21 PMI think Mbow could be an all pro at center, but just a good guard/rt.
J: He did put in a "bid" to be tried out at center. Let's see if he gets that chance.
One mean S.O.B. I suspect he'll draw a few flags in the NFL. And he always plays until the whistle blows.
This is unrelated, but his favorite move is to drive guys all the way out of bounds whenever possible. lol
Bob
Quote from: Stringer Bell on April 27, 2025, 09:16:57 AMThis is why my biggest complaint with the draft was not addressing this unit.
Fair point but the trade for Dart threw a monkey wrench into the plans. OL was considered one of the strengths of the draft. One could argue that the lack of quality at some of the more premium positions pushed a lot of the linemen up team's boards. 13 OL were off the board after 2 rounds and by the time rd 3 rolled around only guys like Fairchild, Milum, Jones, Grant, etc. were left. I can't argue with the choice of Alexander over any of them.
Time will tell whether the move for Dart was the right call. Hopefully, there will be a camp cut or two that can help in the short term on the line
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 27, 2025, 12:35:09 PMJ: He did put in a "bid" to be tried out at center. Let's see if he gets that chance.
One mean S.O.B. I suspect he'll draw a few flags in the NFL. And he always plays until the whistle blows.
This is unrelated, but his favorite move is to drive guys all the way out of bounds whenever possible. lol
Bob
I have a couple quotes for you on Mbow that should have everyone pumped.
"Marcus Mbow is a rare blend of fluidity, power, and technical mastery, redefining how offensive line play should be approached. He's not just an elite prospect—he's the future of the position."
"Marcus Mbow is undoubtedly the most dynamic, fluid, and transcendent talent I've ever watched at the offensive line position."
"Mbow isn't just another offensive line prospect—he's the embodiment of how the game is evolving. His skill set is a fusion of rare lower-body fluidity, instinctive technique, and raw power, raising both his floor and ceiling in ways few linemen can match. In today's NFL, where run schemes are becoming more dynamic and varied, Mbow isn't just a fit—he's a weapon."
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2025, 12:42:25 PMI have a couple quotes for you on Mbow that should have everyone pumped.
"Marcus Mbow is a rare blend of fluidity, power, and technical mastery, redefining how offensive line play should be approached. He's not just an elite prospect—he's the future of the position."
"Marcus Mbow is undoubtedly the most dynamic, fluid, and transcendent talent I've ever watched at the offensive line position."
"Mbow isn't just another offensive line prospect—he's the embodiment of how the game is evolving. His skill set is a fusion of rare lower-body fluidity, instinctive technique, and raw power, raising both his floor and ceiling in ways few linemen can match. In today's NFL, where run schemes are becoming more dynamic and varied, Mbow isn't just a fit—he's a weapon."
The tape I saw on his feet looked very good in his movement. Way smoother than Neal. I'm hearing concerns about his size and the bull rush. But he can dance much better on the edge than what we've grown accustomed too, excepting AT.
Quote from: gregf on April 27, 2025, 01:31:41 PMThe tape I saw on his feet looked very good in his movement. Way smoother than Neal. I'm hearing concerns about his size and the bull rush. But he can dance much better on the edge than what we've grown accustomed too, excepting AT.
greg: It's rare I get a chance to reply to you (hope all is well with you out there).
Those are valid concerns. I believe Daboll said they're starting him out at right tackle (actually, I think he just said "tackle") and then see what happens next.
That makes sense because of the concerns, but if he succeeds he's going to be a lot better at stopping smaller, quicker, shiftier, sneakier players. The trade-off will be a potential weakness in the run game to his side of the field.
Bob
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2025, 12:42:25 PMI have a couple quotes for you on Mbow that should have everyone pumped.
"Marcus Mbow is a rare blend of fluidity, power, and technical mastery, redefining how offensive line play should be approached. He's not just an elite prospect—he's the future of the position."
"Marcus Mbow is undoubtedly the most dynamic, fluid, and transcendent talent I've ever watched at the offensive line position."
"Mbow isn't just another offensive line prospect—he's the embodiment of how the game is evolving. His skill set is a fusion of rare lower-body fluidity, instinctive technique, and raw power, raising both his floor and ceiling in ways few linemen can match. In today's NFL, where run schemes are becoming more dynamic and varied, Mbow isn't just a fit—he's a weapon."
What is the source of these quotes?
Quote from: PSUBeirut on April 27, 2025, 01:48:15 PMWhat is the source of these quotes?
Scouts from the draft network on his write up.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/2024/08/19/marcus-mbow-scouting-report-nfl-draft
Quote from: PSUBeirut on April 27, 2025, 01:48:15 PMWhat is the source of these quotes?
Whatever the source, such as the one just identified, it's a gross overstatement not supported by observation or sustained by a consensus of opinion. That is not to suggest that he won't or can't prove to be an asset and perhaps even with starter potential. But that is not where he's at right now despite the fanciful assertion.
I must say, however, that I much prefer that sort of enthusiasm about a Giants OLineman or any other position on the Offense than that of the usual pessimesses and members of BBWC, i.e. the Big Blue Whining Crew.
Cheers!
Quote from: Painter on April 27, 2025, 03:01:15 PMWhatever the source, such as the one just identified, it's a gross overstatement not supported by observation or sustained by a consensus of opinion. That is not to suggest that he won't or can't prove to be an asset and perhaps even with starter potential. But that is not where he's at right now despite the fanciful assertion.
Cheers!
My gut instinct when I read those particular quotes was that it was satire. I mean, I really like Mbow and picked him in almost every mock I ran- and I think he can be a good pro.....but those quotes were completely silly to say of any mid-round OL prospect who's never seen an NFL field.
Golston, Carter, Alexander, Holland, Adebo, Ledbetter, Dimukeje, and even Ledbetter gives us a completely fresh coat of paint on this defense on the front and back 7.
These stats are for the first 13 weeks when we had Lawrence.
We spent 38% of Snaps in cover 3 (zone) and 29% in cover 1 (man) we actually did phenomenally well in man, ranking 7th in EPA when in cover 1. It is when we were in zone that there were problems. I didn't see this mentioned enough when discussing Bowen last season. Everyone just assumed he was trash, but the Giants defensive personnel were tailored to Winks heavy Man scheme when Bowens scheme relied on Zone. Now we have guys more suited to his scheme and what he wants to do. Our primary alignment was 2-4-5 and 3-4 with Bowen wanting to get pressure with 4 guys.
How do we deploy all of these new assests? Specifically Carter, and then to a lesser extent Golston, and Alexander?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2025, 11:40:34 AMAt their age I don't know that they are difference makers. There are a couple guys they could probably bring in on the cheap though. DJ Chark, Elijah Moore, Nelson Agholor, Tyler Boyd, or Robert Woods. Cooper only had 500 yards last season, and Allen 700 which I think was less than Slayton with backups.
I think Cooper especially had a number of strong games (including against us) while dealing with a trade and a number of nagging injuries. He is not super old quite yet and think under Dabes and with Nabers taking the #1 CB he could look pretty darn good here as a #2 to Malik.
I'm interested to see if Miller can do anything after a year of seasoning.
Have to think Grey is an absolute goner.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on April 29, 2025, 08:01:57 AMI'm interested to see if Miller can do anything after a year of seasoning.
Have to think Grey is an absolute goner.
Miller was someone who intrigued me last season. It's going to be tough for him to make headway being fourth on the chart. He might push Gray off the roster if they keep 4 RBs. I wish he could push Singletary off the team (as he has been a near bust-level signing) but the team would only save a quarter of a million (against a $6 million dead money hit) if they release him.
Giants said Mbow will play ORT so now he backs up JE but hopefully Mbow starts and moves JE to RG.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 29, 2025, 08:21:30 AMGiants said Mbow will play ORT so now he backs up JE but hopefully Mbow starts and moves JE to RG.
Guard or tackle, it would be a real boost to this line if he wins a starting job this season