Doesn't seem like betters are anticipating much improvement in terms of the Giants' scoring output (up 3 points and going from 2nd worst to third worst
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https://x.com/HaydenWinks/status/1929944028398924244
I think that's based on their strength of schedule moreso than whether they upgraded or not. I'd honestly take that bet, as our revamped secondary are Turnover machines coupled with an elite D front and we should be put in good positions offensively. I think we'll pound the football early and often, so Tracey and Skattebo shine.
If Rudolph, Daniel Jones, and Bryce Young can score above 20 so can we.
Yeah, that's the punishment of the gauntlet of schedule they have - in my view.
Would absolutely be taking the over there.
It is, and will be, whatever the vig says it is at time you place your bet. If you aren't a bettor, your disposition toward the Giants and the coming season no doubt will have already been made clear. In any case, while 19.4 ppg is not at all impressive on an average basis, game outcomes W/L are determined by For and Against numbers on an individual game basis. How about that?
I don't know what is being guessed to be the Opponent's ppg average, but that may be an area a bit more encouraging if not necessarily outcoming changing. In any case this topic provides little more than a basis for intellectual onanism.
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I think the Giants will surpass that number. The reason being, our defense is superb (on paper), which means the Giants' offense will be on the field longer than we're used to. Our offense hasn't won the TOP (time of possession) battle in years. Hard to score points from the bench
I'll take the over.
In case you're not interested, I'll tell you anyway. During the last Coughlin/Eli decade ('05-'14), Our Heros far exceeded the 19.4 ppg average in 9 of 10 seasons. During the current decade ('15-'24), they did so just 4 times total, and just once in the past 5 in which they averaged 17.1 ppg. And that includes 21.2 ppg in the 2022 gotcha season.
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19 points per game is bottom feeder results..maybe 5 or 6..7 tops wins stuff. That must tick up from somewhere..maybe the defense creating more opportunities and scoring plays.
Or if the Giants can control TOP and cash in the red zone...limit the opposition snaps..even slightly better.
I wouldn't expect a sea change on offense this year. I see no reason why it should be worse than last year, but I wouldn't expect a big time improvement either.
(1) Wilson is better than Jones but he's still washed up and not that good anymore. Teams keep getting rid of him. Dart is a rookie who may need some time before he has a realistic shot of being a plus NFL starter.
(2) They didn't do much to improve the O line.
(3) They don't have a quality second receiver.
(4) The schedule is a disaster.
The above does not mean we can't improve on last year's PPG, but anyone expecting this to be some new look, high octane offense is being really ambitious IMHO.
https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1929919083148976635?t=TB0qcSFoh6Vs6yyJKE-vng&s=19
Surely this gets a lot better this year which will help us be more productive on offense.
I despise all sports betting, but if I were participating, I'd say that average sounds about right. Our offense has been among the worst in the league the last few years and the schedule is a murderer's row.
I think it's worth noting that 25 points a game seems like the line to exceed if you want to be a playoff team (admittedly, there are exceptions like KC and the Chargers)
This probably doesn't account for the number of possessions per game, which is why I'm optimistic.
The better your defense, the more possessions the offense gets. Our defense is sure to be better, and our offense can't get much worse, so it's reasonable to assume offensive performance should at least partially revert to the mean (become more "average").
That alone should help, in two senses. First, it's likely the offense will have a significant increase in number of opportunities. Second, the better the defense, the fewer the number of points you need to win a game. I'd say with our offense, they need to average even less than the 25 points
@MightyGiants suggests in the post right above this (could be as low as 22).
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I think we will only because even if we are doing bad
We will.be able to get garbage points
D Jones even if we were down by 20 with 3 minutes to go couldn't throw that last touchdown like 95% of QBs could
Despite that the Giants were smack dab in the middle with 30:12 TOP, 17th in the league.
I am biting my fingers to keep from meandering down the back corridors of logic by losing sight of what I already have said about the putative origin of a current 19.4 ppg which requires a potential bettor to decide at that moment which side of that number he or she would be willing to wager. And if such a wager is large enough, it might move the needle so as to require an adjustment to restore balance in the wagering. The one constant is that all bets, all wagers reflect optimism; you don't bet expecting to lose.
So, how might we as Giants fans view the 19.4 ppg in comparison to last season's 16.1 ppg or the recent 5-year average of 17.1 ppg? Modestly at best; perhaps 3 or 4 places higher in the average ppg Offense rankings. UNLESS accompanied by Defense that limited opponents to an average ppg of less than 19.0 which has happened just twice in the past 20 years.
One occurred in 2008, when the team favored to repeat as SB winner, started 11-1 but then lost 3 of it last 4 and its PO game to the Eagles, some would say because Plaxico Burress shot himself and the team in the leg at a most critical moment. Still, it would be hard to argue that it wasn't our best team on both sides of the ball- 25.8 ppg on Offense and 18.6 ppg on Defense during those now 20 years.
The other, of course, was the 2016 McAdoos who gave up just 18.9 ppg, ranking 4th best on Defense to somehow manage an 11-5 record despite a 19.0 ppg, 27th ranked Offense. Please, don't anyone sing me the Defense wins championships anthem as I will otherwise bury that person with a hip hop of "Not so fast, my friend".
All we really know about that season is that Jerry Reese having spent $200 million on the Defense in FA appeared to have succeeded until 2017, which followed next, brought with it a lousy 24.3ppg scoring Defense to match an even worse 15.4 ppg scoring Offense and a 3-13 record. That was, of course, the end for Reese and McAdoo which then brought, "God help us" Gettleman.
In any event, we now have at our disposal a very valuable lesson which is that something apparently good can conceal and precede something far worse and so, as in the instance of 2022's rare winning season- Schoen/ Daboll's first- it can be a trap. We would do well to see it that way vis a vis Daniel Jones, and to hope that they now have begun to wriggle free of said trap.
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