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That's interesting. I didn't know they could do that. How long did it take, at what cost, does it ruin the artificial turf, etc. If it's this quick and easy, why haven't we gone that route in the first place?
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on June 11, 2025, 10:42:23 AMThat's interesting. I didn't know they could do that. How long did it take, at what cost, does it ruin the artificial turf, etc. If it's this quick and easy, why haven't we gone that route in the first place?
because two teams playing every week on the same grass field in the northeast, would make it dirt in no time.
Quote from: jimc on June 11, 2025, 01:49:30 PMbecause two teams playing every week on the same grass field in the northeast, would make it dirt in no time.
Plus, there have been Rutgers games (and other college football games) played on the field. The Giants tried a tray system some years back, where the grass could be rotated and extra grass used to replace worn areas. Even with the extra grass by the end of the season, the field was a complete mess.
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 11, 2025, 01:52:38 PMPlus, there have been Rutgers games (and other college football games) played on the field. The Giants tried a tray system some years back, where the grass could be rotated and extra grass used to replace worn areas. Even with the extra grass by the end of the season, the field was a complete mess.
.....and concerts
Even though I fully understand that we suck at soccer in this country, I nevertheless propose that it be called a field, not a pitch, for this World Cup, or at least for games that are played in the USA (apologies in advance to Ed and our other UK members!). I think that's reasonable enough.
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 11, 2025, 10:08:22 AMhttps://x.com/PIX11Sports/status/1932781656584200313
Beautiful! Such a perfect look about it that even makes the "Sardine Can" no longer a "Sardine Can;" it ACTUALLY looks like a genuine football ground.
The other thing is that the title of the thread "Giants Stadium ... " breaks my heart. I miss the ORIGINAL Giants Stadium. MetLife Stadium is something very different and doesn't even have the same aura that the old stadium used to have.
At least we now know what a grass field looks like in the "Sardine Can." It actually has potential if the Giants, Jets and NJSEA would be willing to invest in its initial cost for development and initial deployment, as well as recurring cost for upkeep.
Peace!
Kart,
Sardine Can is apt. It reminds me of AC Unit in the side of a home. One of the worst stadiums by far. The Hard Rock in Miami is ugly too.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on Today at 06:29:00 AMKart,
Sardine Can is apt. It reminds me of AC Unit in the side of a home. One of the worst stadiums by far. The Hard Rock in Miami is ugly too.
A cooling tower that you would find on top of a building
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Evaporative_Cooling_Tower.jpg/1280px-Evaporative_Cooling_Tower.jpg)
Giants Stadium
(https://img.asmedia.epimg.net/resizer/v2/OXZZ5ALMQQE2P337DFOVK5LDA4.jpg?auth=ddc28c8019410889d9553e997c67bbfaf8020479d6a9ace46e2ab6b5c3d289f1&width=1200&height=675&focal=2053%2C1371)
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on June 11, 2025, 10:31:05 PMEven though I fully understand that we suck at soccer in this country, I nevertheless propose that it be called a field, not a pitch, for this World Cup, or at least for games that are played in the USA (apologies in advance to Ed and our other UK members!). I think that's reasonable enough.
Haha, I'm more than happy to fall in line with this, my friend. Field it is.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on June 11, 2025, 10:31:05 PMEven though I fully understand that we suck at soccer in this country, I nevertheless propose that it be called a field, not a pitch, for this World Cup, or at least for games that are played in the USA (apologies in advance to Ed and our other UK members!). I think that's reasonable enough.
A soccer field is called a
pitch primarily due to British English usage, which is where the modern game of soccer (or football, as it's known outside North America) developed and codified its rules.
Here's why it's called a "pitch":
- Historical origin: The word pitch in British English historically meant to set up or lay out an area for a particular purpose. For example, "pitching a tent" or "pitching camp." In sports, it came to mean marking out a playing field — you pitch the boundaries.
- Laws of the Game (originated in England): The official rules of soccer were created in England in the 19th century. Those rules used British terminology, including "pitch" for the field.
- Continued British usage: The term has persisted in countries influenced by British English, and it became the standard term in international football contexts — especially within FIFA, UEFA, and the English-speaking soccer world.
In short,
"pitch" simply refers to a field that has been "pitched" or laid out for a game, and soccer retained the term through its British roots.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on June 11, 2025, 10:31:05 PMEven though I fully understand that we suck at soccer in this country, I nevertheless propose that it be called a field, not a pitch, for this World Cup, or at least for games that are played in the USA (apologies in advance to Ed and our other UK members!). I think that's reasonable enough.
Why?
The word "pitch" has a lot of meaning from the thousand + year history of the sport and the British had a lot of say in global rules and committee's. So it's like if we went to the London NFL games and demanded it being called a Field for our 100+ years sport. It really doesn't matter. It's just a matter of preference. Globally, it's a pitch. In america it's a field. hard core Soccer people here call it a pitch.
I was told by an architect a long time ago that Met life was below sea level and had major drainage issues. Of course anything is possible with the right amount of money. It would just cost a ton of money to have a grass field there. The reason they can do it here is by contract (if the money makes sense) high level soccer players will sit and/or forfeit before playing on field turf. IMHO NFL owners are cheap and short sided.
Met life has maybe a dozen or so concerts a year, with two teams playing it would cost an ungodly amount to keep grass there. If they were going to do it, they need a permanent tray system like they have in Arizona.
To me that met life stadium is just doomed, they went about it all wrong and connect reverse engineer mistakes that were made like not putting in grass. No team is going to light money on fire to do it for fun either.
Quote from: jimc on Today at 04:16:02 PMWhy?
Because the two terms are interchangeable with respect to their meanings, but one is used here and the other is used elsewhere.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 04:40:38 PMBecause the two terms are interchangeable with respect to their meanings, but one is used here and the other is used elsewhere.
I think pitch is used in the MLS.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on Today at 05:53:25 PMI think pitch is used in the MLS.
Ok, if that's the case, then fair enough.
I realize now it probably didn't read this way, but I wasn't intending to be overly serious with the original comment.
Stadium, pitch, whatever you feel comfortable with is fine. Soccer/futbol/"Association Football," it's all the same. Down Under, where Australian Football (aka "footy," the AFL [Australian Football League]) calls it the "ground (as in the Melbourne Cricket Ground, or better known as the "MCG")," soccer "grounds" are referred to as one and the same.
So, there you have it.
@DaveBrown74 is doing his best Billy Joel with "I didn't start the fire ..." but it's always burnin' since the world's been turnin' ...
Which reminds me ...
Back in 1990, I spent every nickel I had buying tickets to Billy Joel's concert at the (then known as) Syracuse Carrier Dome because my girlfriend, at the time, was madly in love with him ... blah blah blah. Anyway, that dude was rockin' the Dome at his peak! So well, in fact, that my left eardrum, which I had caved in during a major concussion during a full-sprint head-to-head clash with an opponent on a soccer ... field/pitch/ground (who the heck cares at this point anyway!!!) and the decibel level was so loud my left ear started bleeding profusely. I feel this wet in my ear, touch my hand and, yikes, red blood coming out!!! Anyway, point being I drove from east of Utica to Syracuse in a blizzard, blew most of my paycheck on the concert and an overnight at the Sheraton on the Thruway Exit 38. So, all of that banter to ask one simple question: when Syracuse's Soccer Team plays in the dome, that "stuff" they claim to play on is NOT a field. It is NOT a pitch. It MIGHT be a ground but a MIGHTY HARD one at that. Have any of you played a sport at "The Dome?" It wasn't the worst experience of my life, but you definitely have to wrap your ankles for the next two weeks or so after.
Lesson learned: stick to good old-fashioned grass, and call it WHATEVER you'd like!
Peace!
Since the World Cup's formal name is the "FIFA World Cup", and since FIFA is the " Fédération Internationale de Football Association", then perhaps we ought to all refer to this sport as "football" throughout next summer as long as the tournament is being played. We'll see how that goes over with people here!
=))