Wouldn't a quality program have already addressed grip strength for positions that require it? What does it say about a billion-dollar organization that its players are buying the workout equipment on Amazon?
This is a Q and A with Tyrone Tracey.
Q: What are you doing for ball security? Are you walking around with the ball around the facility, having people kind of poke it out? How have you been addressing that?
A: First of all, it starts on the football field. Every time I'm holding the ball, or I get the ball, whatever it is, making sure I'm carrying it the right way. And then I also bought, I don't know if y'all know what it is, but it's a little grip strengthener off Amazon that I use every night. It just helps me. Also, it just makes sure that I'm being fundamentally sound when I'm holding the ball as well. So again, just take your coaching and the meeting room to the field.
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 13, 2025, 08:47:32 AMWouldn't a quality program have already addressed grip strength for positions that require it? What does it say about a billion-dollar organization that its players are buying the workout equipment on Amazon?
This is a Q and A with Tyrone Tracey.
Q: What are you doing for ball security? Are you walking around with the ball around the facility, having people kind of poke it out? How have you been addressing that?
A: First of all, it starts on the football field. Every time I'm holding the ball, or I get the ball, whatever it is, making sure I'm carrying it the right way. And then I also bought, I don't know if y'all know what it is, but it's a little grip strengthener off Amazon that I use every night. It just helps me. Also, it just makes sure that I'm being fundamentally sound when I'm holding the ball as well. So again, just take your coaching and the meeting room to the field.
Strength and conditioning? How about a position coach telling his unit about the importance of grip strength? I think it starts there.
Well, the Giants have a ridiculous amount of injuries every season, so I'm really not surprised that grip strength has slipped thru the cracks of our S&C coaches. Or that he used Amazon to get what he needed.
The Giants get all of these 65 year old former players to come in and talk to these 22 year old kids who weren't born when they played so they can get some positive social media short videos running.
Why not do a useful that could actually work with Tom Coughlin and Tyrone Tracy. Makes sense doesn't it?
Great thread here. We are only in OTAs and we have excessive injuries. How is Skattebo hurt already!!!!Rich has brought this to light for a long time. Our medical and strength/conditioning staff is in dire need of overhaul.
Quote from: Trench on June 14, 2025, 01:11:35 AMGreat thread here. We are only in OTAs and we have excessive injuries. How is Skattebo hurt already!!!!Rich has brought this to light for a long time. Our medical and strength/conditioning staff is in dire need of overhaul.
Trench Warfare,
Couldn't agree more.
Not to make another thread about Mara, but this IS about Mara and his loyalty to Ronnie Barnes.
He probably brought it for home
Quote from: ralphpal1 on June 14, 2025, 10:37:11 PMHe probably brought it for home
You would think a billion-dollar organization would be providing its players with all the equipment and know-how they need to be in peak physical performance to do their jobs. The idea of players ordering equipment on Amazon is jarring, at least to me.
How come our beat reporters never show up at Mara pressers with stats on our injury results versus the league average over a large sample size and ask Mara why he refuses to make a change at the head trainer position despite the overwhelming evidence that one is needed?
They're generally not afraid to ask uncomfortable questions (they peppered him about the nepotism in the organization after the 2023 season). I'm not sure why this topic is so untouchable.
At the very least, if they're scared of Mara, they could ask Schoen these questions.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on June 15, 2025, 07:47:50 AMHow come our beat reporters never show up at Mara pressers with stats on our injury results versus the league average over a large sample size and ask Mara why he refuses to make a change at the head trainer position despite the overwhelming evidence that one is needed?
They're generally not afraid to ask uncomfortable questions (they peppered him about the nepotism in the organization after the 2023 season). I'm not sure why this topic is so untouchable.
At the very least, if they're scared of Mara, they could ask Schoen these questions.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on June 15, 2025, 07:47:50 AMHow come our beat reporters never show up at Mara pressers with stats on our injury results versus the league average over a large sample size and ask Mara why he refuses to make a change at the head trainer position despite the overwhelming evidence that one is needed?
They're generally not afraid to ask uncomfortable questions (they peppered him about the nepotism in the organization after the 2023 season). I'm not sure why this topic is so untouchable.
At the very least, if they're scared of Mara, they could ask Schoen these questions.
Good question
Quote from: Trench on June 14, 2025, 01:11:35 AMGreat thread here. We are only in OTAs and we have excessive injuries. How is Skattebo hurt already!!!!Rich has brought this to light for a long time. Our medical and strength/conditioning staff is in dire need of overhaul.
We cant stay healthy in something as light as OTAs so we might as well go bowling. The lack of attention to a real system to prevent injuries even in the lightest training is incredible.
I'm sorry but this thread is silly. Do any of you guys lift? Every lift that requires you to pull works on grip strength. In fact they make straps because the weight often pulled far exceeds your hands ability to hold on. If you've gotten to the NFL and your hands lack the requisite strength a whole lot of people have failed even before you step one foot into the Giants training facility, and that clearly includes the player. There's a whole lot to blame the Giants staff for over the past decade. This isn't one of them.
Quote from: Trench on June 14, 2025, 01:11:35 AMGreat thread here. We are only in OTAs and we have excessive injuries. How is Skattebo hurt already!!!!Rich has brought this to light for a long time. Our medical and strength/conditioning staff is in dire need of overhaul.
Maybe he has a stomach ache? Ate a bad oyster?
I missed it .how bad is Skat hurt? :what:
Quote from: madbadger on June 15, 2025, 11:17:01 AMI'm sorry but this thread is silly. Do any of you guys lift? Every lift that requires you to pull works on grip strength. In fact they make straps because the weight often pulled far exceeds your hands ability to hold on. If you've gotten to the NFL and your hands lack the requisite strength a whole lot of people have failed even before you step one foot into the Giants training facility, and that clearly includes the player. There's a whole lot to blame the Giants staff for over the past decade. This isn't one of them.
Most of the sets these guys do are so short in duration, I doubt they have a substantial effect on developing grip strength over a sustained period of time.
For example, weight lifters can lay on a bench and use weights to simulate a paddling stroke to strengthen their backs. If those guys get on a surfboard to paddle, they last 50 yards. Surfer paddle out 3/4 of a mile to a reef surfbreak. They can paddle longer. Same with rock climbers.
It says absolutely nothing of substance about either or both the Giants or the Jets strength and conditioning staffs despite the fact that both teams have been among the leaders in lost player time (number of games) due to injury over the recent decade. If it's not otherwise obvious, rather than blaming people, among the silliest of whom are Ronnie Barnes or his Jets counterpart Damion Martins, whose qualifications skills, abilities and functions you quite clearly should take time to review along with those of the staffs of the other 30 teams and those whom the NFL and PA have studying those exact issues.
Nor would it hurt to learn what players think of the both the individuals and playing surfaces involved if that's not too much trouble.
Cheers!
Quote from: Philosophers on June 15, 2025, 03:00:47 PMMost of the sets these guys do are so short in duration, I doubt they have a substantial effect on developing grip strength over a sustained period of time.
For example, weight lifters can lay on a bench and use weights to simulate a paddling stroke to strengthen their backs. If those guys get on a surfboard to paddle, they last 50 yards. Surfer paddle out 3/4 of a mile to a reef surfbreak. They can paddle longer. Same with rock climbers.
So what? When was the last time you saw a running back have to hold on to a ball for longer than 15 seconds?
If it looks like a witch, smells like a witch, talks like a witch, then, surely, it must be a 🧙!!!
Should we be surprised to see names such as Andrew Thomas on the list, especially after we've discussed ad nauseum that he will be unable to jump back into the starting lineup fully healed and on full cylinders on opening day. He, and other players injured last season will have their loads managed under a plan that gets them back to the field when they are fully ready to go.
As for the rookies, they're all just so excited to get in there that they'll try to do more to impress and end up getting dinged up. We all know that's part of the learning curve of knowing your limits at the NFL level now that they're in the big leagues now.
This whole thing about Tracy buying some grips to help strengthen his hand muscles is his taking accountability for self-development. Because the grips are not an equipment requirement for the players, or that the Giants may or may not have a petty cash account players can charge small value items to, I'd first say good on Tracy for taking accountability of an issue he had and implemented a corrective action plan to address it. If he had bought a "self-improvement" book, would we ve having this same conversation? As far as throwing the entire Giants organization into New York Bay, well, I believe the entire Ronnie Barnes "witch hunt" is an overreaction. Again, we've already discussed a few days ago that the Giants have added a new Head to lead Strength and Conditioning, have added programmers and project managers to help build the Giants a new and customized suite of Performance Metrics that Matter. They will delve into details to create algorithms which will analyze data that will become "NextGen" or better, and provide the Giants Operations, Medical and Strength & Conditioning business units advanced data analysis to drive higher quality decision making. This has been the area where Giants Leadership has struggled. But identifying the right requirements, up front, completing incremental design and development reviews to ensure both the requirements and the end user's wants are being fulfilled. I also remember saying this is not an instant gratification project; it will take some time to fully deploy, train the folks using the data and help them understand it better so they can refine their data queries so they can receive precisely what they need.
It's all in work as we discuss.
I'll close by saying that I continue to preach the Giants' chances for success largely depend on the three Strategic Imperatives I speak of often. The third, and most important, especially for this coming season, is:
NYG2025-SI.03: Improve overall Safety Management and Performance by using League approved injury and safety-related metrics applicable to the Giants team, conduct thorough root cause, corrective/preventive action plan with "Measurements of Effectiveness (MoEs)." Generate short term (12 months) and long term (60 months) plans with "plan vs. "actual" plot lines posted for accountability.
Once they create their own advanced analysis data models, especially for each of their players, and individually tailored plans are developed for them to mitigate risk in the areas of the body most prone to injury, I believe then the injury rate for the team will begin to diminish.
I'll close by saying that last season's performance had evidence of poor decision making when it came to managing players who were hurt yet still were playing. The Giants MUST DO BETTER in those situations. Just because Skattebo is out for a day or two is more likely a precautionary decision of the Giants' staff (NOTE: the thing we WANT them to do). Finally, I am more than certain if Tracy knew about the Giants' internal office policies of reimbursement of small ticket items, the office administrators would have reimbursed him on the spot with only a receipt or bill of sale required. So, let's get a little perspective here and chalk that one up to a young man who likely didn't know the office policy for reimbursement or thought it was no big deal to buy a pair on his own dime. Either of these would be highly plausible in this situation.
Peace!