Every player has raved about Russell Wilson's leadership. When asked (or in many cases, unsolicited), his teammates have raved (in detail, which is important to me). That's odd since the book on Wilson is that he doesn't get along with or is respected by his teammates.
I suspect part of the problem in Seattle was that many of their key players (at the time) were part of the thug life culture, while his background was upper-middle class. I see some similarities (not exactly) to young Eli interacting with Tiki and Shockey.
That doesn't explain why he seemed to have issues in Denver. I know the Broncos game with the Steelers, it seemed Wilson only had issues with his OC, Author Anderson.
So I am not exactly sure why Wilson and his leadership style are clicking with the Giants (perhaps the Giants have assembled the sort of players that respond well to Wilson's style), but at least early, Wilson seems to be bringing a new and better element of leadership to the QB room.
Well, this is positive and ought to make Nabers happy after he implied a few months an ago that there was a distinct lack of leadership.
Need to ensure the best player is happy.
But it's positive to read either way.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on June 13, 2025, 10:12:36 AMWell, this is positive and ought to make Nabers happy after he implied a few months an ago that there was a distinct lack of leadership.
Need to ensure the best player is happy.
But it's positive to read either way.
Ed,
I don't recall Nabers suggesting that. Can you hook me up with or post the comments?
Thanks
Rich
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 13, 2025, 10:15:34 AMEd,
I don't recall Nabers suggesting that. Can you hook me up with or post the comments?
Thanks
Rich
I'll try and dig it out. PFT ran the implication just before the draft I think
I'll try and dig it out later.
When you've been wandering in the desert for as long as we have, even a half-filled canteen seems like heaven.
Rich, I've known you for over 20 years. Are you a better man now than you were 20 years ago?
Russel Wilson was a guy who could straight up ball coming out of college who was underdrafted and an underdog.
He had a lot of good qualities as a leader at the time.
Remember when Donavan Mcnabb finally got a big contract and his teammates didn't like him? It's the same thing here. He changed as person, started hanging out with different people. The team didn't respond to him the same way anymore. He could still play but as a starting qb he was pretty much cooked after that.
Remember when Russel Wilson wanted his own office inside the stadium? Remember when he divorced his wife to start rubbing elbows with famous people? There just tons of reasons why this guy isnt what he seems. Then you start to see that fake, cliche-omatic personality come out. He is unauthentic. Plain and simple. I know people don't like me sometimes, but I will go down as being an authentic person, always.
Seahawks had him, in somewhat of a superbowl window and ditch him for Geno Smith. Who at the time was a total journeyman backup. I am sure they knew he could play a bit. But the team got rid of their starting qb for a reason. They sold high and knew he wasn't worth the trouble and he wasn't as good as he was in his 20's.
Up comes the broncos. They traded a haul for him. Worst NFL trade besides Deshaun Watson. His coaches didn't like him, Sean Payton had the pull in house just to dump and outright cut him at that point. Embarrassing for the team.
He actually forced them to pay him a new contract when he still had tons of time left on his. That was insane to me for that situation. And guess what the cherry on top is...no replacement qb.They cut him for Jared Stidham and didn't even care.
The steelers are next. He was injured, they realized how terrible Justin Fields was. Russ played ok and declined as the season went on. Physical skills eroding. They talked like they wanted to resign him but made no attempt. They actually signed an OLDER player for more money after.
There are maybe 15 quarterbacks on the planet who can play at a decent level in the NFL. To be let go 3 times without a replacement is insane. Now all the Giants fans think we are going to win 10 games. Russ is doing his grift telling us what we want to hear, telling us all about "unleashing" Jalin Hyatt and leading. Combine that with the Giants media narratives kicking the dead horse Daniel Jones and hyping the living xxxx out of any new player who they propose to solve a problem (to keep their job and sell merch and tickets)
The leadership is fake. He isnt one of the guys. It's all for show. It's all for that social media team and for fans to devour. Go watch crunch time steeler games when Russ tries to talk to other players and pump them up. They ignored him. In Denver a dude tried to fight him on the sideline after him "leading" . All this stuff is smoke in mirrors, pre season media hype. I love the Giants too, just telling you what I see. The sooner we get Jaxson Dart out there the better imho. Russ was a terrible signing, it still makes no sense. My guess is that they want to see what they will get out of Andrew Thomas before committing to Jaxson Dart. This signing was a CYA move just in case they couldn't get dart.
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 13, 2025, 10:15:34 AMEd,
I don't recall Nabers suggesting that. Can you hook me up with or post the comments?
Thanks
Rich
I think it was an article based on this interview but I've not listened to the interview nor can I find the article: https://youtu.be/KsG8ylEz1Go?si=y2Eq-78DEzIQZoiF
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on June 13, 2025, 11:23:44 AMI think it was an article based on this interview but I've not listened to the interview nor can I find the article: https://youtu.be/KsG8ylEz1Go?si=y2Eq-78DEzIQZoiF
Okay,
I see what you were referring to. When asked what he is looking for in the new QB, Nabers stressed leadership and the need for leadership (saying he would be one of the leaders as well). While I don't see it as a certainty, I could see a reasonable inference could be made that he wasn't getting the leadership from Jones (or potentially after Jones left).
Although you also had this to consider:
https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1849920623021273293
and this
https://www.facebook.com/reel/929099752495692
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 13, 2025, 03:55:10 PMOkay,
I see what you were referring to. When asked what he is looking for in the new QB, Nabers stressed leadership and the need for leadership (saying he would be one of the leaders as well). While I don't see it as a certainty, I could see a reasonable inference could be made that he wasn't getting the leadership from Jones (or potentially after Jones left).
Although you also had this to consider:
https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1849920623021273293
and this
https://www.facebook.com/reel/929099752495692
I think most of today's starting NFL QBs have a vocal in your face/wear it on the sleeve leadership style. This was missing from the Giants for the past several years. I think Wilson leads in the aforementioned vocal style. A little moxy if you will.
Wilson may be a surprise this year. He seems to have got on well so far. Is he past his prime? Yes. But his approach and smarts are still credible.
Been pleased with him so far.
Quote from: Trench on June 14, 2025, 01:08:59 AMI think most of today's starting NFL QBs have a vocal in your face/wear it on the sleeve leadership style. This was missing from the Giants for the past several years. I think Wilson leads in the aforementioned vocal style. A little moxy if you will.
It's sort of funny. I have noticed recently (and this observation goes to all positions, not just QB) but when you ask coaches or even players if they are the rah rah type leader or lead by example type, the answer is almost always lead by example.
From what I have heard of Wilson, he isn't an in-your-face type of leader, but he is a very vocal and deliberate leader. He leads by telling his offensive mates what he wants and needs, and makes a point to try to bolster the entire team.
The sense I got with DJ (and admittedly not being in the locker room, it's difficult to properly judge), he was more reserved, and his fanatical work ethic and way he went about his business (the lead by example) was his primary leadership style.
I have spent a considerable amount of my life studying leadership. Wilson's words and actions are almost textbook in terms of leadership. Perhaps, too textbook, as perhaps some teammates feel it lacks authenticity. That's the contradiction of leadership. Leaders need to act a certain way, but they also need to be true to themselves.
From the outside looking in, I think the leadership from the QB position has taken a step up. Beyond Russell Wilson's textbook leadership style, you have Winston's highly unorthodox style. I think Dart possesses many natural leadership traits that should serve him well in the NFL (assuming his play is up to NFL standards, as you need that to truly lead).