Quote from: MightyGiants on June 01, 2024, 07:52:52 AMBobby may be the best FA signing of Schoen's Giants career, to date.
I agree, but let's hope that he can repeat his great performance in 2024, and not regress.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: MightyGiants on June 01, 2024, 07:52:52 AMBobby may be the best FA signing of Schoen's Giants career, to date.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 31, 2024, 08:20:54 AMYour may be in a select minority of 30 fans that think that the Jones deal was a good one for this franchise. Even fans that are really big advocates of Jones realize the deal was bad.
3200 passing yards and 15tds is not good production as we've stated multiple times and yet you still push it as a great season and not the mirage that it was.
2022 was all about Barkley, it's amazing once we Barkley hit the wall in Houston our offense completely fell off and we limped to the finish.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 30, 2024, 09:38:22 PMHe was saying teams normally don't double down or hold onto bad mistakes. If a qb doesn't work within a couple seasons they are gone and yet despite that we still have Daniel Jones.
49ers, CHI twice, Pittsburgh, the Jets twice, and so many more that have drafted a nonelite qb and then released them to start fresh. The Giants however being outdated are still clinging onto the same not so great player.
Doing the same thing over and over just to get the same result.
Also Jones Contract has universally been acknowledged as a bad deal along with the Giants attempts to select a new "guy".
I think Y was just saying please let's try something different besides what we've been doing over and over that has failed.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 30, 2024, 09:25:13 PMRich and myself were discussing Lock not Jones or Devito.
I'll still answer the question:
Jones in year 6 should be ahead of an undrafted qb and a backup. It shouldn't be a great thing to see, it should be a given.
He can't get any worse throwing deep than he has been the past 2 years, and now he won't be as mobile. So we should all be hopeful it improves.
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 30, 2024, 09:20:31 PMEli was Eli, regardless of eras. The Giants Offense was never explosive but Eli had better talent around him.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 30, 2024, 04:23:35 PMIt's may, in shorts, in a new system etc so I'm not too concerned with anyone's progress rn. If it's the same come August that's another story.
Quote from: y_so_blu on May 30, 2024, 03:43:20 PMIn 1984 Bill Parcells said "if I'm gonna lose, [at least] I'm not gonna lose with those same guys." He was explaining why he'd added 20 new players to the roster and given the starting QB job to Phil Simms over Scott Brunner, who was traded away in the spring.
In his second year Parcells had already identified the guys who were most conspicuous in losing us games and moved on from them. He'd spent 1983 trying to be a conventional coach--an organization guy, the Maras' guy--and when it didn't work, he adjusted quickly.
It's time for Brian Daboll to make a similar adjustment: stop clinging to the starter John Mara likes and make a change. That way, if we lose again in '24, at least it won't be with the same quarterback who is already shell-shocked from all the sacks he's taken.
Am I making sense here? We seem to be trapped in an endless cycle of arguing over who is to blame for Daniel Jones' struggles. But eventually we reach a point where it doesn't matter whose fault it is that Jones is failing; what matters is that he is failing, that the failures make him an albatross around the team's collective neck, and the coach needs to change things up.
So while I don't expect Daboll to trade Jones or even give someone else the starting job, it will be an incredible relief if he does. And it will inspire within me a little more confidence in his leadership.
Quote from: Trench on May 27, 2024, 10:47:15 PMAgreed 100%. There are so many smart fans on this site - much smarter than me. I would love to hear from them on this issue. I respectfully ask you, should Jones at least work on this in practice and during drills?
Quote from: Trench on May 27, 2024, 03:54:01 PMI watch so many other QBs in drills and practice who look one way and throw the other way. Rodgers literally discussed the importance in hard knocks and he practiced throwing without ever looking at his WR.
I just don't get it.
Quote from: BluesCruz on May 26, 2024, 05:19:30 AMBy that I meant the NE starter and bring them back to relevance
He has the intangibles that made Brady good and its between the ears, confidence etc
His arm is also grossly underrated
We have never had much luck with QBs Some have been good, none dominant in a Brady, Montana type sense
We will find a way to fumble Tommy D away- just watch
Quote from: Trench on May 27, 2024, 12:01:40 PMThe problem is we have seen from OTA footage is this guy doesn't even practice looking off the DBs and safeties. The more I see of him during drills the more it becomes evident. I pray I'm wrong
Quote from: Ed Vette on May 26, 2024, 07:25:46 PMDon't be surprised if they keep three on the roster initially. A long shot but it's possible until DJ proves he can not have a setback.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 26, 2024, 12:26:59 PMHe would be my candidate too. There is no player on the team who had a bigger 2022 to 2023 performance dip than Jones, so he is the most obvious candidate for a bounce-back as he has the most room to bounce back.
The more interesting question for me is whether he can be better in 2024 than he was in 2022. Being materially better than 2023 practically goes without saying. There is no way Jones is nearly as bad as he was in 2023.
Quote from: BluesCruz on May 23, 2024, 04:21:16 PMHe did very well at Syracuse and Illinois.....big time programs
By contrast Jones was a big time loser at small time Duke
Where are we here, in a hall of mirrors? DeVito is better than the robotic Jones by a country mile
The delta is that Jones is now Mara's very expensive adopted sun
It seems the Giants will let DeVito float and lost to waivers....he will wind up in NE as the next Tom Brady My prediction
Jones has been touched by the hand of Mara.