Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Philosophers on October 04, 2023, 09:29:38 PMBeat me to it.

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 04, 2023, 08:03:36 PMThis is exactly what the Giants have been running all season the short passing game and Jones checking down and going to underneath routes.  There is no looking down field or anticipating plays.  The problem is not that they haven't gone to the short passing game but rather than it's become predictable where Jones is going with the ball.

I disagree. Checkdowns were the problem against Seattle. Short routes should have been option 1, not checkdowns. Watch the replay. Jones looks downfield and scrambles after two seconds, still looking for options. In the second half, Seattle adjusted to the Giants always going empty in the backfield and sent an extra rusher off the edge.  There were not two seconds anymore. The ball needed to come out. Too me, the whole mess was on Kafka, not Jones.

Last year it was one step back, hit the back foot and the ball was out. James and Hodgins were constantly making catches on slants and quick curls. Now, they are getting greedy and the separation hasn't been there, or option one was a pass BEHIND the line of scrimmage. How is that going to work with this O-line?

Lenn, Jones ran for 60+ yards and completed almost 80% of his passes. Do you think Tyrod Taylor would do better?

As bad as everything was Monday, if Jones doesn't turn the ball over the Giants might have won. It was hard to watch, but we all watched because it was still a game until the pick 6. Are you wanting to bench him for the turnovers? I understand if the answer is yes, but then you have a dilemma going forward.

Let him play but multiple turnover games will not be tolerated. This isn't 2021. If they bench him after the second turnover in the first half, I'm good with it. Benching him now just doesn't make sense to me. Its like ousting McCarthy as Speaker. Now what?

I think these are over-reactions.

I think the Giants will revert back to the short passing game that was successful last season. It minimizes the deficiencies on the O-line and allows Jones to get the ball out quickly and build confidence. I truly do not understand why that wasn't the plan against Seattle to begin with. There was too much looking deep that resulted in scrambles or sacks while Daniel Jones finished the game completing almost 80% of his passes. Just take what is there!

Miami can score points. They also can't defend worth a crap. The Giants were going to have to steal a game somewhere to make the playoffs anyway. Why not start now? You want to throw deep? This is the game, but take the first downs underneath first.

I agree that 1-5 would be a tough hole to climb out of, but looking at the schedule at the start of the season, 1-5 was certainly possible, if not likely.

I once said, "this is Greek" to a friend of mine whose parents are from Greece. He said, "Greek I can do, but this, THIS,...... I got nothing."

I think that helplessness is what we all feel.
Is this team good? I still think so.
Are they playing poorly? Certainly.
The only truth is that was game 4 of 17. The Giants are 1-3, Just like the Bengals. The fans of both teams didn't expect this.

Play it out. That's all they can do.

Is this really the best bad plan you could come up with?

Uh....this isn't going well.

You relax. You're the dead guy.

Houston, We have a problem.

Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them.

I could still be done in time to lay in bed, stare at the ceiling and slip slowly into madness.

Mama always said life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.

Numbing the pain for a while will make it worse when you finally feel it.

Don't give in to the Dark Side.

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 03, 2023, 05:46:28 PMFacing two unwinable games, who hasn't made a positive difference?

You mean, other than Paris Campbell?

Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 02, 2023, 08:41:43 PMWho? On which plays specifically was someone open and not thrown to?

The Giants are looking deep against a Defense playing 3 safeties. Seattle can do this all day.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 02, 2023, 01:50:44 PMUntil I see the O-line block like an NFL-caliber offensive line for more than just one half a game against a non-playoff team, the O-line will always be a concern until proven otherwise.

The O-line was a concern last year, so they got the ball out of Jones' hand quickly. Tonight sets up well for that, which should take the pressure off the O-line. My biggest concern in the pass rush is actually not the D-line of Seattle against the O-line of the Giants. We are about to find out if any of our RBs can pick up a blitz......or not. Jones saved them a few times against Arizona with his legs. They need to do better. If a dope like me can pick up on that during the game you can bet Carroll saw it and has some plans to exploit that.

I hope Kafka dumbs it down for Jones against what is the NFL's worst pass Defense so far that barely has a pass rush.

Teams have been picking the Seahawks apart in the short areas. So, let Daniel Jones have quick, easy throws. Since that is where he was successful last year he should be comfortable with that game plan. Don't overthink it. Seattle played 3 teams and all three QBs threw for over 300 yards and for the most part it is the 3rd-down RBs and possession receivers who had the big receiving numbers.

Don't try to run it. That plays to their strength. They are EXCELLENT against the run. Let Danny Dimes make local calls this week. Save the long distance calls for Miami.

The annual "why do we still have Slayton" topic. It only took 3 weeks this season.

All he does is stay healthy and catch passes, something the rest of the Giants receivers have struggled with over the entire time Slayton has been here.

Other than Hodgins, Slayton is the only WR on the team who has earned his spot, which is to be a capable backup, WR4.

There were some missed tackles that resulted in huge gains and two plays that should have been interceptions in the first half. Those missed opportunities resulted in points.

I thought the O-Line played well enough and actually thought the left side, to my surprise, outplayed the guys on the right.

So, if the Giants O-line had been better it still would have been a tall order to overcome a 30 point effort from the 49ers in their home stadium.

I thought the Giants would be 1-2 at this point in the season. They could easily have been 0-3. The last 6 quarters were much better than the first 6 quarters and that was with guys hurt. I think the Giants are figuring out how to use all of their new weapons on Offense. I see more upside than downside going forward. Continuous improvement. I'll take that.

Late Round RBs - here's a few that can be had in the last round in some leagues,
- Raheem Mostert. He is in a time share but is expected to be the starter. When he's healthy he is fantastic. Unfortunately staying healthy has been his issue, and it is the same with his backfield mate Jeff Wilson Jr. When one gets hurt, the other is going to be valuable.....until HE gets hurt. 

- D'Onte Foreman. No one knows what the timeshare in Chicago is going to look like but Herbert is expected to get most of the work. Foreman may still get 12-15 touches per game and could be the preferred goal line back. If Herbert goes down, b=he showed in Carolina that he can handle a bigger work load.

- Rashad Penny. There are a lot of mouths to feed in that Philadelphia backfield, but I expect Penny to emerge as the 1st and 2nd down back. In mock drafts I've gotten him as late as the 12th round in 12 team leagues.

- Zach Moss and Deonte Jackson. One of these guys is going to be the beneficiary of the Jonathan Taylor mess in Indianapolis. With a rookie QB it makes sense that they will want to run the ball as much as they can while Richardson learns how to be productive in this Offense.   

Quote from: LennG on April 10, 2023, 04:57:12 PMI haven't been on BBH for a while, but I got an email from Dan and a call from Ed today about Jim and his health. I would say Jim and I were very good friends and this news really disturbed me. I speak with Jim all the time, about once a month, and last time he sounded well and was in good spirits.
I kind of knew something was up when he didn't send me a Passover greeting and when I sent him an Easter greeting it bounced back to me.
Anyway, I just called his home and spoke with his daughter. As said Jim is
terminal and expected to pass away any time now. He is at home but not conscience and it is just a matter of time. He had skin cancer problems but was OK until a couple of weeks ago when it seemed to have spread to his brain and he went downhill very quickly. His daughter said she will notify me when he does pass.

Just unbelievably horrible news. There wasn't a nicer man around and as huge a Giants fan as anyone could ever hope to be.

Very sad news. Jim was a tremendous help when my daughter was seeking schools to study meteorology. Prayers for peace going to our pregame weather forecaster.

One day you are young and full of life and then before you know it you are driving down the road and turning down the radio so you can see better.

While it was only a short, I'm surprised there is no love for "A Charlie Brown Christmas" in this group. Rarely played on TV anymore because it is about 27 minutes long. (There were fewer commercials back in those days.)

Put me in the "Die Hard is not a Christmas movie" column.

Home Alone has arguably the funniest 10 1/2 minute stretch of any movie I've seen, Christmas or otherwise. Laugh out load funny physical humor.