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We'd want a young up and coming and by all accounts brilliant front office man to leave for some measly third round comp picks?  Sorry, I can't get on board with that.  I hope we can hang on to him, if he's really as good as it's been reported.

I'm actually hoping now that he goes to a team that'll take advantage of what he has to offer and that he goes bananas.  He's a great player and teammate and he deserves better than what the Giants can give him.

Of course, that opens a GIANT hole at RB that will then need to be filled in the draft, but it is what it is.  The guy deserves a better fanbase and a fresh start.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2024, 01:08:48 PMIt's hard to say when or how rapid a decline will be.   If I were to guess, we could see the start of a slower decline within the next 5 years.  The owners are consistently putting profits ahead of the quality of their product and fan satisfaction.  I have yet to see a business model where such an approach was successful long-term.

There are no other business models to compare to the NFL, in my opinion.  It is entirely unique and a powerhouse beyond any other sports venture known to man.  I find it very hard to believe that the NFL is going to face any kind of substantial decline in the next 5 years- they're just getting started toward global markets and there's still, oddly enough for such a behemoth, a lot of growth to come in that area. 

Moving to streaming being a bad business model?  hmmmmm I'm not sure that's a prediction that has ever held up, nor will it.  The older folks may grouse about it, but I'm pretty sure streaming and the Internet is the way we're going...

I have no idea how Cris Collinsworth is that high.  Everyone I've ever talked to hates the guy.  Doesn't even matter if he has good insight- just his voice/reactions are so irritating.

Win games and all this nonsense magically disappears.  Pretty straightforward what he's gotta do next year.  Win games.

Quote from: TONKA56 on January 09, 2024, 01:10:55 PMOther than Barkley, take a look at the running backs we've drafted since Ahmad Bradshaw. It ain't pretty. David Wilson probably being the best had to retire early due to health, and he was really more of a third down specialist by skillset.

It's not as easy as some folks on here would have you believe.  Just grab a random RB in rounds 4-6 and you're golden....  not quite.

I'd love to hang on to Tyrod, Simmons, and McKinney.  The rest, not so much.  I am 50-50 on Barkley.  If he can sign a reasonable, low cap hit deal (which wouldn't be the franchise tag), I want him back.  Mostly because it's not clear at all that we "hit" on Gray in the mid rounds, so if Barkley walks that's a glaring need to fill.

Couple things:

1.  This is the first I've seen Penix play.  Not impressed at all with how he handled pressure and how he actually threw the ball.  Not gonna lie, I kinda hate his throwing motion- way too wristy.
2.  Glad Michigan won, even though I hate UM- because this means Harbaugh is more likely to bolt and maybe Penn State will have better shots against UM in the future =) 
3.  It's weird hearing them talk about Washington coming to the Big Ten next year.  Just....weird.
4.  I know it won't happen, but wouldn't it be nice if a Big Ten team winning the national championship would shut the yammering pieholes up about how the SEC is all about speed and the Big Ten is all about plodding ahead. Such a tired, useless trope in college sports yappers.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 07, 2024, 05:28:06 PMGood luck getting the latter after today.

Someone get this man some corn flakes to piss in! 

Moon's first year in the NFL- he was 28(!).  And he's still statistically dominant on the all-time lists...despite also playing when rules for passing were obviously much tougher.  But think about that...if this dude had played those 6 more years in the NFL, where would he be in the conversation?  And let's not even get into all of the unreal stereotypes around black QBs that this guy had to push through.

I say one of the most underrated because his name rarely, if ever, comes up when folks discuss best QBs of all time.  I think Moon and Brees are the two best throwers of the football that have ever played the game, personally.

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on January 04, 2024, 02:05:25 PMI never gave Pennix much thought, but I watched the game the other night, and I was really impressed. He has a cannon for an arm, and his accuracy was pinpoint accurate. He can throw a 50 yd rope without throwing it a hundred feet in the air. His throws were smooth and effortless and reminded me of Warren Moon in his prime...and that's a huge compliment. Moon might be the least appreciated QB in history. Tremendous talent

Couldn't agree more.  I think Moon is one of the most underrated players in NFL history.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 03, 2024, 05:52:59 PMUnderstand your point and agree these guys lie all the time. That said, I follow the Cards closely (my son's favorite team), and I'm 100% confident Gannon is telling the truth here.

The franchise is all-in in terms of building around Kyler. His contract is actually pretty team friendly:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/kyler-murray-29036

They love Conner, and the prospect of adding MHJ to that offense, while continuing to add pieces to Gannon's defense, has many believing the team is close to competing.

Agreed.  Kinda funny Kyler is in this situation, considering how he originally came to the Cardinals when they let Rosen loose so soon after he was drafted high....in order to draft another QB high.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 02, 2024, 03:37:50 PMAssume Barkley had had much better luck/results on the health front. What RB (present day or past) do you think his career might have resembled?

I don't mean precise stats or anything annoyingly pedantic like that but just off the top of your head what names come to mind? I'm curious how great a career you think he would have had.

Sure...Marshall Faulk, Tiki Barber, Thurman Thomas....  name any great all-purpose RB and I definitely think he would have stacked up if he had stayed healthy.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 02, 2024, 02:53:43 PMDoes anyone think Barkley has the same athletic ability and speed he had his rookie season?

Definitely not, sadly.  Injuries took a generational type talent and prospect and made him just a very good RB.  If he had stayed healthy he'd still be breaking records.

Penn State has got to have a real QB competition this spring.  The more I watch Allar, the more I just don't see it happening.  He doesn't process fast enough.  Our WRs are trash (and we may be getting more help there soon), but the difference in "juice" between Allar and his backup is tangible.  I described Allar today as "Eli Manning without the talent"....ie, he gives the same aw shucks vibes but just hasn't shown game to get past that.

I hated that our defense had 3 key starters out today and a gimpy Carter for much of the game.  That would have been one hell of a matchup with that Ole Miss offense.  Ah well.